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From a recent speech by soon to be indicted Rep Matt Gaetz:
"The internet's hall monitors out in Silicon Valley, they think they can suppress us, discourage us. Maybe if you're just a little less patriotic. Maybe if you just conform to their way of thinking a little more you'll be allowed to participate in the digital world," he said. "Well you know what, Silicon Valley can't cancel this movement or this rally or this congressman. We have a Second Amendment in this country, and I think we have an obligation to use it."
These ugly unamerican turds just keep getting uglier every day. If the decent republicans (surely there are more than just Liz Cheney and Paul Ryan) aren’t going to stand up to this kind of BS they are just as shameful as Gaetz.
These ugly unamerican turds just keep getting uglier every day.
Are you talking about the Silicon Valley folks trying to stay one step ahead of the outrage crowd or the politicians brave enough to condemn it? I will say the whole Second Amendment part of the quote was un-necessary but the overall message seemed to be timely.
Any politician who suggests the second amendment as a solution to a nonviolent problem has lost any legitimacy regarding whatever message they were trying to impart. Especially if they are a politician from the party that recently used violence to attempt to overturn undesired election results.
Matt Gaetz.
Yes, this is a fellow I'm really worried is going to go all Second-Amendment on me....
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ApatheticNoMore
6-1-21, 2:27pm
the suspect that shot up the convenience store
Are you talking about the Silicon Valley folks trying to stay one step ahead of the outrage crowd or the politicians brave enough to condemn it? I will say the whole Second Amendment part of the quote was un-necessary but the overall message seemed to be timely.
Given past history, I’m assuming the turds are being flung at the general run of Republicans for not being as vocally outraged as they should be. Sort of like people condemning Democrats for failing to condemn the antisemitic ramblings within their camp. It’s an old trope. Demand the other guys call out the sinners in their camp. If they do, it keeps the sin in the public eye. If they don’t, you can call them complicit.
Matt Gaetz.
Yes, this is a fellow I'm really worried is going to go all Second-Amendment on me....
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Of course he’s not going to go all second amendment on anyone. Just like Donald trump wasn’t going to personally storm the halls of Congress to overturn the election. It’s much easier, and personally safer, to encourage others to do it. That’s the unamerican Republican way.
Of course he’s not going to go all second amendment on anyone. Just like Donald trump wasn’t going to personally storm the halls of Congress to overturn the election. It’s much easier, and personally safer, to encourage others to do it. That’s the unamerican Republican way.Maybe they could just help set up funds and contribute their own money to cover bail and legal fees for whatever violence and mahem they might inspire. Democrats seem to approve of that.
Everyone should be able to defend themselves in court. Even the traitors from January sixth serve that. Since Trump encouraged them to do what they did if he were honorable he’d offer to pay their defense instead of lining his bank account with donations raised off their backs.
Democrats would also approve of republicans setting up their own tech companies where they can share all the lies they feel like sharing.
Everyone should be able to defend themselves in court. Even the traitors from January sixth serve that.
I think they should have died as they breached the building, but that's just me.
Not to be outdone, Trump advisor General Michael Flynn endorsed a military coup at a QAnon-related event:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/15119611/michael-flynn-court-martial-qanon-myanmar-coup-america/
His spokesperson has denied he said it, but there's video, apparently.
I think they should have died as they breached the building, but that's just me.
I think the shooting of Ashley Babbit cooled them down a bit.
Of course he’s not going to go all second amendment on anyone. Just like Donald trump wasn’t going to personally storm the halls of Congress to overturn the election. It’s much easier, and personally safer, to encourage others to do it. That’s the unamerican Republican way.
Isn't that the very definition of stochastic terrorism?
Everyone should be able to defend themselves in court. Even the traitors from January sixth serve that. Since Trump encouraged them to do what they did if he were honorable he’d offer to pay their defense instead of lining his bank account with donations raised off their backs.
There seems to be a small contingent of Republican congress officials who claim the assault on the Capitol was little more than a normal tourist visit. At least that's the news spin on their comments.
There seems to be a small contingent of Republicans who claim the assault on the Capitol was little more than a normal tourist visit. At least that's the news spin on their comments.
Well, to be fair, my grandfather was a tourist in Berlin in 1945...
Maybe they could just help set up funds and contribute their own money to cover bail and legal fees for whatever violence and mahem they might inspire. Democrats seem to approve of that.
You are confused. That was trump that did that in his rallies.
I think they should have died as they breached the building, but that's just me.
They would hesitate to try it again if that had happened in mass.
I think they should have died as they breached the building, but that's just me.
They would hesitate to try it again if that had happened in mass.
While that would certainly have made the future less worrisome I would rather not that we take shortcuts in our justice system like that. If we take shortcuts like that with traitors it will become all too easy to use shortcuts against lesser criminals. Or even non criminals.
Personally I’d be more happy if Congress would set up a commission to figure out what happened, who told who to do what, etc. But for some reason that seems to be a controversial idea among a large minority in both houses. I wonder what they are afraid will be revealed?
While that would certainly have made the future less worrisome I would rather not that we take shortcuts in our justice system like that.
I don't think it is a "shortcut" if you simply slay them as they are attempting to break into the Senate chamber and hunt down our lawmakers. The Capitol Police and/or National Guard should have been there armed for bear. Perhaps their simple presence might have calmed things down.
I used to every day ride past a fence marked "use of lethal force authorized inside" - sure kept me on my side of the fence, and hesitant to take the short-cut through the facility....
ApatheticNoMore
6-1-21, 6:13pm
The problem is you have a political party, that is a political party, usually centrist, doesn't seem to stand for much forcefully, beholden to corporate money, but a political party willing to at least go through the motions of democracy nontheless. And then you have what may have once been a political party but now seems intent on overtaking democratic (small d) government via various coups of various means.
You are confused. That was trump that did that in his rallies.No, I'm not confused, Trump did make an offer to pay legal fees but I don't think he ever did. We all knew about that one because the media ate it up and reminded us of it day after day. I was referring to Kamala Harris using Twitter and Facebook to promote the Minnesota Freedom Fund's efforts to bail out rioters and looters, as well as the fact that at least 13 Biden staffers contributing to the fund. I think that's not nearly as well known since it happened during campaign season and media being reluctant to do their duty because, well, they had an election to win.
The problem is you have a political party, that is a political party, usually centrist, doesn't seem to stand for much forcefully, beholden to corporate money, but a political party willing to at least go through the motions of democracy nontheless. And then you have what may have once been a political party but now seems intent on overtaking democratic (small d) government via various coups of various means.
Well said. As far as I can see, all today's Republican politicians stand for is greed and unchecked power. They've long since replaced their old shibboleths--law and order, family values, the rule of law--with a no excuse or apology necessary naked power grab. General Michael Flynn is saying the quiet part out loud.
iris lilies
6-2-21, 12:53am
No, I'm not confused, Trump did make an offer to pay legal fees but I don't think he ever did. We all knew about that one because the media ate it up and reminded us of it day after day. I was referring to Kamala Harris using Twitter and Facebook to promote the Minnesota Freedom Fund's efforts to bail out rioters and looters, as well as the fact that at least 13 Biden staffers contributing to the fund. I think that's not nearly as well known since it happened during campaign season and media being reluctant to do their duty because, well, they had an election to win.
This made me laugh. In a rueful way.
No, I'm not confused, Trump did make an offer to pay legal fees but I don't think he ever did.
Heck, apparently Trump is famous for not even paying his own legal fees :-)
No, I'm not confused, Trump did make an offer to pay legal fees but I don't think he ever did. We all knew about that one because the media ate it up and reminded us of it day after day. I was referring to Kamala Harris using Twitter and Facebook to promote the Minnesota Freedom Fund's efforts to bail out rioters and looters, as well as the fact that at least 13 Biden staffers contributing to the fund. I think that's not nearly as well known since it happened during campaign season and media being reluctant to do their duty because, well, they had an election to win.
Is your concern with the Minnesota Freedom Fund generally or is it with Biden Staffers supporting a cause that they believe in.
Is your concern with the Minnesota Freedom Fund generally or is it with Biden Staffers supporting a cause that they believe in.Oh, I don't have a problem with anarchists collectively supporting each other, I just think it's interesting to see the different responses to it from the media and others who seem to believe that violence and mayhem are good when their ideological cousins do it but bad when the neighbors do the same. We used to have satirists who would have a field day with that sort of thing, I wonder what happened to them?
iris lilies
6-2-21, 8:43am
Oh, I don't have a problem with anarchists collectively supporting each other, I just think it's interesting to see the different responses to it from the media and others who seem to believe that violence and mayhem are good when their ideological cousins do it but bad when the neighbors do the same. We used to have satirists who would have a field day with that sort of thing, I wonder what happened to them?
There is a general level of discomfort and concern in the standup comedy world right now about this very thing. Comics are observing a serious lack of ability in their audiences to poke fun at themselves and others, to find comedy in our human activities these days. Drawing immediate lines in the sand of thought, identifying wholey with an idea, thinking in black and white—that’s what is going on.
Comics tend to run left liberal so if they are concerned, that means we have a problem.
Am I an anarchist or communist now? It's all so confusing.
Am I an anarchist or communist now? It's all so confusing.
I think if you self identify as part of a collective, you're a communist. If you spend your days trying to force me to join you through violence and mayhem, you're an anarchist. I suspect you're neither.;)
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