View Full Version : Do You Agree With The Governor of Alabama?
gimmethesimplelife
7-25-21, 1:58pm
An individual who has stated that it's time to blame the unvaccinated for the spread of the Delta variant? Rob
happystuff
7-25-21, 2:05pm
An individual who has stated that it's time to blame the unvaccinated for the spread of the Delta variant? Rob
I don't think "blame" is productive at this point in time and in these circumstances. I think there are other alternatives that might actually be more productive. While I don't have definitive suggestions, I will say that I do like the ads I've been seeing put out by NY about getting vaccinated. Very positive, in my opinion.
iris lilies
7-25-21, 2:06pm
An individual who has stated that it's time to blame the unvaccinated for the spread of the Delta variant? Rob
What’s your point in asking this question?
Are you actually reading threads here? If you were, I would think you would see plenty of “blame “and talk about “shaming” the unvaccinated people.
ApatheticNoMore
7-25-21, 2:34pm
Well since vaccinated people can spread it, though probably to a much lesser degree of course, no. I mean if they actually said that they should say something more likely to be accurate, like unvaccinated people are to be blamed for rising hospitalizations, this is likely so. Are we actually trying to get at the facts here or terrified someone might be shamed or not shamed. Oh heaven forbid. Talk about snowflakes.
They should have just had a 4th stimulus, paid everyone to get vaccinated, an extra $600 but you have to take the vax and prove it (haha but our medical system is not organized enough to show that I guess and everything is too corrupt). You don't want it? That is your right. But no $600 for you. Maybe then we would have 90% vax rates. Better than the alternative of another wave hitting a lot of virgin immune systems, better for the healthcare system, for the economy etc.. It would pay for itself really. Apparently Delaney was arguing this. Thinking more outside the box than I would have thought of him. But then we kind of got the weakest possible candidate from the Dems pretty much, but had to put it up with it, as it meant Trump-be-gone.
gimmethesimplelife
7-25-21, 2:39pm
What’s your point in asking this question?
Are you actually reading threads here? If you were, I would think he would see plenty of “blame “and talk about “shame quote for the unvaccinated people.IL, I'm very time crunched these days and can't read as much as I used to in my f and b days. Now I've got a lot less time - but at least there's money saved at Navy Federal Credit Union to show for it. At any rate, I have not yet read any commentary here regarding the Governor of Alabama and his recent quote. Rob
I think there is plenty of "blame" to go around, including many governors downplaying the virus, refusing to close things down, and taking a dismissive attitude in general to "own the libs". Only snowflakes wear masks. Don't let fear rule you. Like a miracle, it will just disappear.
So sure, the virus continues to spread due to low vaccination rates. There is that. But it sounds to me like those in charge are doing one of those "don't look here, look over there!" things that politicians are famous for.
And the governor of Alabama is a woman.
Teacher Terry
7-25-21, 3:58pm
I certainly don’t think it’s helping.
In a state with the lowest vaccination rate in the country it's probably a significant factor, but not the only thing.
The governor of Alabama is Kay Ivey--a woman.
I tend to agree with her blunt assessment that COVID immunization is all about common sense, but that's probably the first and only time I'd agree with her about anything.
Yes, and I also blame the Federal government for not closing the borders as New Zealand and Canada did, thus allowing the variant to come into the country.
The Delta variant is Darwinism at work, killing off the ignorant who don't believe in the science of vaccines. If it were mainly killing unvaccinated children I would be concerned, but it's going after adults who can get the shot and just don't want to. So to me it's Delta Schmelta, no big deal.
happystuff
7-25-21, 4:22pm
If it were mainly killing unvaccinated children I would be concerned, but it's going after adults who can get the shot and just don't want to. So to me it's Delta Schmelta, no big deal.
Ahhh... spoken with true compassion... NOT! But I expected nothing less from you. And, yes, that is a judgement about YOU on my part - but compassion schmassion, no big deal.
Ahhh... spoken with true compassion... NOT! But I expected nothing less from you. And, yes, that is a judgement about YOU on my part - but compassion schmassion, no big deal.
Hey I'm going on with my life and I'm HAPPIER than HAPPYstuff who gets all stressed out about the poor anti-vaxxers.
iris lilies
7-25-21, 4:32pm
https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/
If we are going to engage in large scale blame, Rob, should we dig into some statistics to see which ethnic groups are most to blame? That allows us to more narrowly focus our vitriol.
happystuff
7-25-21, 4:32pm
Hey I'm going on with my life and I'm HAPPIER than HAPPYstuff who gets all stressed out about the poor anti-vaxxers.
Compassion is not stress and, yes, I'm proud to have it for everyone - including you, not just poor "anti-vaxxers". And I won't illustrate the posts you have made about "how" you are going on with your life.
Sigh... still sending prayers, but done calling you on your idiotic, selfish, and stupid behavior - you are intelligent enough to know what you are doing and saying - whether for attention, sympathy, simple human contact - whatever. Others can or not as they see fit. Prayers to both you AND your son. Glad you are both seeking help.
Truly done with you directly, but still sending prayers.
ApatheticNoMore
7-25-21, 4:40pm
Should we dig into some statistics to see which ethnic groups are most to blame? That allows us to more narrowly focus our vitriol.
I'd like more information on why that is so though. Anti-vax conspiracies? Fear of being charged for the vax? (this is also misinformation but I did get a "not a bill" saying I owe). I suppose if one is an illegal immigrant one has a level of fear always there about interacting with "the system". And we're looking at high overlap with poverty so I wonder what else is going on.
Btw the highest vaccination is not white people, it's Asians.
Compassion is not stress and, yes, I'm proud to have it for everyone - including you, not just poor "anti-vaxxers". And I won't illustrate the posts you have made about "how" you are going on with your life.
Sigh... still sending prayers, but done calling you on your idiotic, selfish, and stupid behavior - you are intelligent enough to know what you are doing and saying - whether for attention, sympathy, simple human contact - whatever. Others can or not as they see fit. Prayers to both you AND your son. Glad you are both seeking help.
Truly done with you directly, but still sending prayers.
I've lost track of how many times you've said you're done responding to me. Probably once a week on average.
New Mexico is a majority minority state and ranks 10th in percent of of population vaccinated, so top 20%. Maryland is also majority minority and is even better at #6.
The District of Columbia is majority minority and comes in at #13. Hawaii also majority minority is #17, followed by majority minority California at #18.
Source:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html
Note the link title says 3/15 but the article was updated 7/23 based on data through 7/22.
Maybe the reason minority stats are not better are all the white New Englander overachievers who skew the data.
#1 Vermont
#2 Massachusetts
#3 Maine
#4 Connecticut
#5 Rhode Island
#7 New Hampshire
You see why I feel so safe going out and about maskless?
Don't hate me because I and my state are vaccinated. Get your own state up to par and you too can say Delta Schmelta.
iris lilies
7-25-21, 5:17pm
New Mexico is a majority minority state and ranks 10th in percent of of population vaccinated, so top 20%. Maryland is also majority minority and is even better at #6.
The District of Columbia is majority minority and comes in at #13. Hawaii also majority minority is #17, followed by majority minority California at #18.
Source:
https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html
Note the link title says 3/15 but the article was updated 7/23 based on data through 7/22.
Maybe the reason minority stats are not better are all the white New Englander overachievers who skew the data.
#1 Vermont
#2 Massachusetts
#3 Maine
#4 Connecticut
#5 Rhode Island
#7 New Hampshire
You see why I feel so safe going out and about maskless?
Don't hate me because I and my state are vaccinated. Get your own state up to par and you too can say Delta Schmelta.
you damn white over achievers there in New England Land. Skew the data every time doncha!
ApatheticNoMore
7-25-21, 5:36pm
I've always taken it as better (more pro-social etc.) values in some parts of the country. Whereas in the wild wild west here, it is what it is. *shrug*
Alabama is nearly 70% white and only 1/3 fully vaccinated.
you damn white over achievers there in New England Land. Skew the data every time doncha!
Yay, Vermont!
Yay, New England!
Yay, overachievers!
Yay, Governor of Alabama for stepping up to helping more people in her state stay healthy!
Don't hate me because I and my state are vaccinated. Get your own state up to par and you too can say Delta Schmelta.
I seem to remember Biden wanting volunteers in low vax states to go door to door to encourage vaccinations. Some state’s politicians though, as well as Republican media like Fox News, equates that idea to the government sending jack booted thugs to people’s houses and unequivocally stated ‘no effing thank you. We’d rather die of covid.’ I’m paraphrasing, of course but the snowflakiness they exhibited at the idea of having to have conversations with rational, logical people face to face was remarkable.
An individual who has stated that it's time to blame the unvaccinated for the spread of the Delta variant? Rob
The vaccinated did not create the Delta variant. Fact. Who is spreading it? Well, it is being contracted by vaccinated people in addition to unvaccinated as it's virulence is greater so at this point, anyone contracting Delta is potentially passing it on. Hence, the new discussion about us returning to mask-wearing to protect the unvaccinated. My heart breaks for the children. The adults made their choices and deserve what they get but the kids............so much for a fun school year.
The Delta variant is Darwinism at work, killing off the ignorant who don't believe in the science of vaccines.
If only this were true.
If only this were true.
The one town with an outbreak in my state has been traced to Fourth of July parties. Who invites unvaccinated people to a big parties? Someone who is ignorant.
Come to my party and die. Talk about a frenemy!
The one town with an outbreak in my state has been traced to Fourth of July parties. Who invites unvaccinated people to a big parties? Someone who is ignorant.
Come to my party and die. Talk about a frenemy!
Bear Week in Provincetown is the week beginning July 4th. It’s just one big party all week all over the town. I only have a couple of friends that went this year but I have at least three friends of friends who are breakout infections because they were there. From what I’ve heard there were several bars/restaurants where employees were displaying symptoms while working. Between them and customers having it or getting it from them it’s no surprise that it was a big spreading event.
iris lilies
7-28-21, 8:53pm
I don’t understand why people would go to a super spreader event but hey whatever.
gimmethesimplelife
7-28-21, 8:57pm
Bear Week in Provincetown is the week beginning July 4th. It’s just one big party all week all over the town. I only have a couple of friends that went this year but I have at least three friends of friends who are breakout infections because they were there. From what I’ve heard there were several bars/restaurants where employees were displaying symptoms while working. Between them and customers having it or getting it from them it’s no surprise that it was a big spreading event.Speaking of a gay related spreader event - We were thinking of perhaps bussing it Executive Class - meaning by US standards it's beyond expectations/acceptable - to Puerto Vallarta to stay at the Hotel Mercurio, a gay hotel in the gay neighborhood of this city. I'm not the gay resort type - I'm not the beach type - this isn't the trip I would personally choose. But I have gotten my way a bit and it's time for me to compromise. And then splat! Delta and the associated realities - not going. Even with shots I don't want to mess with all the variables a once much simpler trip like this entails these days.
Looks like Nogales/Tucson/El Paso until further notice. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
7-28-21, 9:02pm
I don’t understand why people would go to a super spreader event but hey whatever.Don't drop dead of shock IL but here I mostly agree with you. To explain it - even we were considering a vacation to Puerto Vallarta - the environment in the area we were interested in is super spreading in action. Too many people too close if the neighborhood is to remain profitable and viable, at least for tourism. And beyond that - we are both introverts, no? Many are not introverts and are more than ready to plug back in to large events/crowds. It looks like human nature is going to run right up against Mother Nature on this one as many humans want to reconnect as things once were but the virus is mutating and has other ideas.
At any rate - my take on why people are attending these events. Rob
iris lilies
7-28-21, 9:08pm
Wait, Bear week doesn’t have anything to do with hunting bears? I ask because Diana in Wisconsin (people, remember her? No you probably don’t) is happy during this time of year because her husband leaves for bear camp and she gets to relax. I guess bear camp goes on for many weeks.
That said, I think I would like Bear week. I kind of like wide, hairy men. I don’t mind if they wear flannel.Could I come and just watch?
iris lilies
7-28-21, 9:09pm
Speaking of a gay related spreader event - We were thinking of perhaps bussing it Executive Class - meaning by US standards it's beyond expectations/acceptable - to Puerto Vallarta to stay at the Hotel Mercurio, a gay hotel in the gay neighborhood of this city. I'm not the gay resort type - I'm not the beach type - this isn't the trip I would personally choose. But I have gotten my way a bit and it's time for me to compromise. And then splat! Delta and the associated realities - not going. Even with shots I don't want to mess with all the variables a once much simpler trip like this entails these days.
Looks like Nogales/Tucson/El Paso until further notice. Rob
I saw a video showing a huge flood in Nogales yesterday.
gimmethesimplelife
7-28-21, 9:13pm
I saw a video showing a huge flood in Nogales yesterday.Yes. Parts of Southern Arizona including Tucson and Nogales got hit hard yesterday. This has been an amazing monsoon thus far - for Tucson to date it is the wettest on record. And SO's family in Nogales, Mexico has had some roof damage in Colonia Kennedy. Rob
Wait, Bear week doesn’t have anything to do with hunting bears? I ask because Diana in Wisconsin (people, remember her? No you probably don’t) is happy during this time of year because her husband leaves for bear camp and she gets to relax. I guess bear camp goes on for many weeks.
That said, I think I would like Bear week. I kind of like wide, hairy men. I don’t mind if they wear flannel.Could I come and just watch?
LOL. You certainly wouldn't be the only female there. And if you can occasionally say amusing things, as I suspect you can, you'll fit right in. Although you might want to dress a bit nicer than what you've described to us here... :~) We went once a number of years ago and it was a good time. Not good enough to spend the money every year, but good. We have a number of friends who usually go every year (most didn't this year because of covid). They enjoy it because it attracts a global crowd of people, many of them year after year, so it's often the one time every year that they get to see some of their friends. Sort of like a big extended family reunion of mostly hairy, non-thin men with beards.
Yes. Parts of Southern Arizona including Tucson and Nogales got hit hard yesterday. This has been an amazing monsoon thus far - for Tucson to date it is the wettest on record. And SO's family in Nogales, Mexico has had some roof damage in Colonia Kennedy. Rob
A friend of ours has been in Tucson for about a month now for work. The pics he's been posting on facebook are crazy, like the one where the hotel swimming pool had overflowed from the rain and was flooding the entire pool deck.
3/4 of the Provincetown Bear Week infections were vaccinated people. Wear your masks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/provincetown-covid-outbreak-vaccinated/?fbclid=IwAR067JifFM3IR0x-6DGpSPBLd3EoC4rQC_Y1PdFdCK1sSwKZvsXhEW6VRVg
3/4 of the Provincetown Bear Week infections were vaccinated people. Wear your masks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/30/provincetown-covid-outbreak-vaccinated/?fbclid=IwAR067JifFM3IR0x-6DGpSPBLd3EoC4rQC_Y1PdFdCK1sSwKZvsXhEW6VRVg
"But few were hospitalized."
The latest statement from my state government is wear a mask indoors if you are vaccinated and immunocompromised.
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