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I see the eviction moratorium will be extended, at least partially. The President has said he’s doing it even though it probably won’t pass constitutional muster, reasoning that it will at least extend the program until the courts shut it down.
We have now evolved from selective enforcement of the law to simply ignoring it until you get stopped, oaths of office notwithstanding.
I thought the extra unemployment was so people could pay their rent and other bills, but it looks like a lot of them never did. There is a shortage of various consumer goods - could it be shortsighted people think the government will support them forever if they keep crying Covid and they can spend the money on goodies rather than something as mundane as rent?
I believe the thinking on this one is "I know it's almost certainly unconstitutional, I know the courts will overturn it, I know it violates my oath of office, but the midterms are coming up next year and I owe Nancy a favor."
Isn't that "string it out in the courts indefinitely" a hallmark of Trump's modus operandi? He's doing it now with his taxes.
By all means, turn the rabble out into the streets--you can never be too rich or have too many homeless. :(
People are making more money on unemployment. Why go out and get a job when you can stay home and get paid more?? Help Wanted signs all over my area because of it. At least when youngest gets his license, he won't have trouble getting a job to pay for gas and insurance.
ApatheticNoMore
8-4-21, 1:15pm
Well because a long gap on a resume looks bad. I mean I've had several years worth of savings in the bank and stressed (stressed too much, it caused health problems) being unemployed and I'm supposed to believe some far more temporary government benefits make people indifferent. But that assumes you care about a resume, for minimum wage jobs maybe not, and that is probably much of what is available. I mean there actually is no point in making a big deal out of a job that won't even pay the bills.
The extra stimulus will be over in just a couple of weeks. My philosophy is, if the pool of people it helps is larger than the pool of people who abuse the system, I'm all for it. As far as the eviction moratorium, yes, the extra money was to help people pay bills, but $300 a week barely eeks out necessities for most people. The low middle class and poor didn't ask for COVID. Should those in desperate need be ignored because a few people game the system? Who benefits more from gaming the system--the poor or the wealthy? Hmm.. let me think.
The extra stimulus will be over in just a couple of weeks. My philosophy is, if the pool of people it helps is larger than the pool of people who abuse the system, I'm all for it. As far as the eviction moratorium, yes, the extra money was to help people pay bills, but $300 a week barely eeks out necessities for most people. The low middle class and poor didn't ask for COVID. Should those in desperate need be ignored because a few people game the system? Who benefits more from gaming the system--the poor or the wealthy? Hmm.. let me think.
For a significant portion of the pandemic it was $600 not $300 a week extra. And that is on top of regular unemployment compensation. It is not that people only got $300 a week and that didn't cover their necessities.
And let's see if it really ends in a couple weeks or if the chant of "Delta! Delta!" keeps it going.
iris lilies
8-4-21, 1:40pm
The extra stimulus will be over in just a couple of weeks. My philosophy is, if the pool of people it helps is larger than the pool of people who abuse the system, I'm all for it. As far as the eviction moratorium, yes, the extra money was to help people pay bills, but $300 a week barely eeks out necessities for most people. The low middle class and poor didn't ask for COVID. Should those in desperate need be ignored because a few people game the system? Who benefits more from gaming the system--the poor or the wealthy? Hmm.. let me think.
I know! Money. When it belongs to the taxpayer it has no meaning, just throw it away.
And Trump was as bad as any of his predecessors.
making laws that are not going to hold up in court, that’s just the game everywhere. It’s happening in my state legislature and I wish the axxhxxxs would go home rather than making law that clearly is “statement law “not actual law.
But then I remember that’s all the power they have is to make law. They cannot do anything else, all they can do is create laws. Well, they can also repeal them but they hardly ever do that.
I think Reagan was the one that said "a rising tide floats all boats." I know his meaning was different from mine (his meaning: If I give large handouts and low taxes to the wealthy, the prosperity will "trickle down" which really didn't pan out) but I take it to mean that if we all help each other out, we all benefit. I pay my taxes, and a lot of them, and I have no problem with it--only the part that goes to an inflated military budget. But we're all in this together, or at least that's the way I see it.
Teacher Terry
8-4-21, 2:43pm
The extra unemployment really helped my son and DIL. Not only did they keep current with their rent but they saved money. My DIL went back to work in March a week after getting her first shot. She was thrilled to be back at work after a year. My son is very disabled so is limited physically in what he can do and a need for his job hasn’t happened yet with the reduction in local tourism. Regardless they are frugal and can live on one income.
Aren't these xtra funds handled by each state? News here said most states still haven't even distributed earlier funds. None of it makes sense to me at this point. It doesn't help how some people feel about this topic when the national news shows a woman getting ready to be evicted and she has very expensive nails and braids.
A fair number of states cancelled the extra unemployment already. Do they have lower unemployment rates compared to states that didn’t?
The extra unemployment really helped my son and DIL. Not only did they keep current with their rent but they saved money.
I am not happy that I had to forego a raise for half a year due to covid, while working every day throughout the pandemic, including suffocating in a mask, in an essential industry, and others are able to sit at home and collect so much they can even pile up money in savings. If this isn't moral hazard and doesn't explain why employers can't get people to fill jobs I don't know what would be a better example.
ApatheticNoMore
8-4-21, 3:19pm
lol I worked at one place I didn't get a raise in 5 years, no matter my reviews (but then talking to coworkers there neither did anyone else, it was a constant source of office grumbling). So raises, yea it's haphazard. I wonder how many people (mostly on the lower end of wages probably, although there probably is some trickle-up) got a raise for the first time in forever, due to the shortage of workers.
Teacher Terry
8-4-21, 3:29pm
My kids are frugal and were very careful with their money which is why they could save some. They would have preferred to work. They made more money working. They also are concerned about the future with my son’s severe disability.
Yppej, apparently you didn’t suffocate as you are still typing:)).
I believe the thinking on this one is "I know it's almost certainly unconstitutional, I know the courts will overturn it, I know it violates my oath of office, but the midterms are coming up next year and I owe Nancy a favor."
That, and the Squad had a sleepover.
Isn't that "string it out in the courts indefinitely" a hallmark of Trump's modus operandi? He's doing it now with his taxes.
By all means, turn the rabble out into the streets--you can never be too rich or have too many homeless. :(
But if you want to create a rent-free Utopia, shouldn’t you at least try to do it legally?
lol I worked at one place I didn't get a raise in 5 years, no matter my reviews (but then talking to coworkers there neither did anyone else, it was a constant source of office grumbling). So raises, yea it's haphazard. I wonder how many people (mostly on the lower end of wages probably, although there probably is some trickle-up) got a raise for the first time in forever, due to the shortage of workers.
I have also worked at some places that didn't give raises. I know the ones that were given during my months at the warehouse were initially declared "temporary". When the management finally figured out that surrounding warehouses were paying much more, they decided to keep them as permanent - although the resulting pay was still LESS than the starting pay at some of the other warehouses.
Is it not the case that Trump, as well as Obama, utilized executive orders to make an end run around gridlock in Congress?
After the onset of the pandemic, Trump signed four executive orders, over conservative objections, to provide financial relief. Conservatives objected that all or some of them were unconstitutional.
We know there are $45 billion in funds allocated to the states for payment to renters and landlords/ladies that have not been distributed.
The main impasse, as I understand it, is that there is no bureaucracy in most states to help distribute the $. (The unemployment system, nearly 100 years old now, has been instrumental in getting benefits to people, although in a somewhat lavish way.)
Apropos of that, Matt Iglesias had this elegant solution: The Federal gov't. should send one dollar, once, to every resident of the US, thus creating a reusable data base for quickly sending $ to people.
Simone the Feds got money to everyone via stimulus payments. The infrastructure is in place already.
Is it not the case that Trump, as well as Obama, utilized executive orders to make an end run around gridlock in Congress?
Yes. Presidents in the recent past have often made end runs around the Constitution when Congress wouldn’t give them what they wanted. But that doesn’t make it right. People seem to think they can use “gridlock” to justify some new version of the divine right of kings.
I think Biden’s recent end-around is particularly egregious because he announced at the time it was probably illegal, but he would do it anyway. Even more so because he was cheered on by so many of his party who share his contempt for the law and his oath of office. If voters don’t punish that sort of thing, it will continue and we will increasingly be governed by the whims of the powerful.
If voters don’t punish that sort of thing, it will continue and we will increasingly be governed by the whims of the powerful.
That's what we did last november.
That's what we did last november.
This made me laugh - succinct and to the point.
Simone the Feds got money to everyone via stimulus payments. The infrastructure is in place already.
You're right about that, Jeppy. States and localities were not able to use the Fed system. This article explains it much better than I am:
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/08/stalled-rent-relief-is-a-glimpse-into-a-larger-flawed-system.html
That's what we did last november.
Yes, and that was a good thing. But we don’t seem to have drawn the proper conclusions from the usurpations of the Obama and Trump administrations. We have declined to the point where a chief executive doesn’t even feel the need to pretend he believes his actions are legal.
Yes, and that was a good thing. But we don’t seem to have drawn the proper conclusions from the usurpations of the Obama and Trump administrations. We have declined to the point where a chief executive doesn’t even feel the need to pretend he believes his actions are legal.
We probably should have drawn those conclusions decades earlier. Iran contra anyone?
We probably should have drawn those conclusions decades earlier. Iran contra anyone?
Probably going back to Wilson. But if I thought that in any way distracted or deflected from the abuses of the present, I would be foolish indeed.
Probably going back to Wilson. But if I thought that in any way distracted or deflected from the abuses of the present, I would be foolish indeed.
We should likely also include Lincoln on our list.
We have declined to the point where a chief executive doesn’t even feel the need to pretend he believes his actions are legal.
By my observation, our leaders and governmental agencies have been engaging in this sort of behaviour for decades. I have seen city and county and state officials pass legislation or impose a policy, knowing full well it will not withstand court challenge. But, the challenge process takes time, years often, and costs the opposition money and energy.
And when they lose and the court slaps them down, they don't pay any real price themselves. The citizens end up paying the fees and bearing all the other costs of this deliberate strategy. And in the short term, the politicians get what they want - air time, support from their constituents, and months-to-years of applying their unconstitutional or illegal policies.
Look at how long it will take to unsnarl the recent wave of voter-suppression laws being passed in many of our states, and how big the payoff is for those passing the laws...
We should likely also include Lincoln on our list.
Yes, Lincoln was one of the greatest tyrants this nation has seen.
By my observation, our leaders and governmental agencies have been engaging in this sort of behaviour for decades. I have seen city and county and state officials pass legislation or impose a policy, knowing full well it will not withstand court challenge. But, the challenge process takes time, years often, and costs the opposition money and energy.
And when they lose and the court slaps them down, they don't pay any real price themselves. The citizens end up paying the fees and bearing all the other costs of this deliberate strategy. And in the short term, the politicians get what they want - air time, support from their constituents, and months-to-years of applying their unconstitutional or illegal policies.
Look at how long it will take to unsnarl the recent wave of voter-suppression laws being passed in many of our states, and how big the payoff is for those passing the laws...
Indeed. Look at all the forced birth laws that have been passed around the country over the past several decades by legislators knowing full well that they will eventually get struck down. Although who knows, now that we have the handmaid and justice rapey mcbeer perhaps the red states will soon be able to engage in their forced birth dreams. Because "my body, my choice" only applies to vaccines. Or something.
iris lilies
8-9-21, 8:56am
Indeed. Look at all the forced birth laws that have been passed around the country over the past several decades by legislators knowing full well that they will eventually get struck down. Although who knows, now that we have the handmaid and justice rapey mcbeer perhaps the red states will soon be able to engage in their forced birth dreams. Because "my body, my choice" only applies to vaccines. Or something.
yes I was thinking of the “forced birth” laws as you call them when I mentioned our legislature. What a waste of everyone’s time and taxpayer dollars.
on the other hand I have been hearing about various bogeymen in the reproductive rights world for a long time, decades since GW Bush was their whipping boy, and so “judge Mcbeer” and Handmaiden Tale references doesn’t concern me, it is just a way to gen up attention and raise funds.
I think what’s different in the current situation is a the chief executive making no pretense of believing his action was anything other than illegal. Vice no longer seems to need to pay tribute to virtue through the gauzy veil of hypocrisy.
No amount of middle school name calling can distract from that.
iris lilies
8-9-21, 11:11am
I think what’s different in the current situation is a the chief executive making no pretense of believing his action was anything other than illegal. Vice no longer seems to need to pay tribute to virtue through the gauzy veil of hypocrisy.
No amount of middle school name calling can distract from that.
A refreshing kind of transparency? He is showing us who he is upfront.
A refreshing kind of transparency? He is showing us who he is upfront.
Yes. The guy who claims to have faced down dictators, gang leaders and apartheid regimes cowed by Cori Bush and AOC.
iris lilies
8-9-21, 1:43pm
Yes. The guy who claims to have faced down dictators, gang leaders and apartheid regimes cowed by Cori Bush and AOC.
Yes unfortunately Cory Bush is my representative in Congress. She ousted a long term Political family with her election.
The only good thing I can say about her is she did actually come to my neighborhood when she was running for office and speak to our neighborhood association. Her predecessor was in our neighborhood once in 30 years that I can remember.
Yes unfortunately Cory Bush is my representative in Congress. She ousted a long term Political family with her election.
The only good thing I can say about her is she did actually come to my neighborhood when she was running for office and speak to our neighborhood association. Her predecessor was in our neighborhood once in 30 years that I can remember.
I understand that she spends a lot on private personal security at her defund the police rallies. When asked about the apparent contradiction, she explained with a succinct “suck it up”.
iris lilies
8-9-21, 3:04pm
I understand that she spends a lot on private personal security at her defund the police rallies. When asked about the apparent contradiction, she explained with a succinct “suck it up”.
Yes, I had to moderate some Nextdoor comments about this. She does us proud. Not.
She also popularized the phrase “birthing person” recently if not inventing it. I don’t really know who invented it.
Teacher Terry
8-9-21, 4:16pm
That phrase has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Ugh!
ApatheticNoMore
8-9-21, 4:51pm
That phrase has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Ugh!
I suppose there are situations it might apply in, being a surrogate parent maybe (yea if you are a womb for rent, it's not exactly being a mother). But pretty not typical.
Generally it is stupid.
I have also seen the term “gestational parent” used.
"Birth parent" or "biological parent" are usually used within the adoption triad.
I see the SCOTUS struck it down by a 6-3 vote.
I wonder if this will cool the overheated housing market. If people are evicted there is then a lot of available housing for rent, which presents an alternative to overpriced housing to buy.
GeorgeParker
8-28-21, 2:14am
I wonder if this will cool the overheated housing market. If people are evicted there is then a lot of available housing for rent, which presents an alternative to overpriced housing to buy.Alternatively, as soon as frustrated landlords of single-family homes are able to evict their non-paying tenants, they may say to hell with this business and sell their vacant houses into this overheated housing market. That would reduce the number of rental properties available and drive up rents, but it would probably be such a small percentage of the total housing stock that it wouldn't have any effect on house prices.
GeorgeParker
8-28-21, 2:22am
That phrase [“birthing person”] has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Ugh!It's not as dumb as men who go around saying "I'm pregnant" or "We're pregnant" as though they've got a baby inside of them.
ToomuchStuff
8-28-21, 12:48pm
Alternatively, as soon as frustrated landlords of single-family homes are able to evict their non-paying tenants, they may say to hell with this business and sell their vacant houses into this overheated housing market. That would reduce the number of rental properties available and drive up rents, but it would probably be such a small percentage of the total housing stock that it wouldn't have any effect on house prices.
And those that don't sell, to get rid of their debt, from what all I have read, are dramatically raising rates on the coasts. Here, I have a coworker/employee, that his rental agreement is due for renewal. He has been looking elsewhere (this place was originally rented with his ex-fiance), but has not found anything as they are all rented within an hour. The new rent went up 25%, locally. Have heard on the coast it could be as much as 40%, so the landlords make back the money they had to put out while people either didn't, or couldn't pay their rent.
Teacher Terry
8-28-21, 1:33pm
Rents in Reno have been ridiculous for a few years.
happystuff
8-29-21, 4:36pm
Rents in Reno have been ridiculous for a few years.
Same here in my area. If, for some reason I should lose my house, I would never be able to afford to rent around here!
Teacher Terry
8-29-21, 8:35pm
Happy I couldn’t afford to rent either. My condo would rent for between 1600-2000/month.
iris lilies
8-29-21, 8:41pm
Happy I couldn’t afford to rent either. My condo would rent for between 1600-2000/month.
I can afford it but I ain’t paying that. No way. I have been watching Cash Jordan videos on New York City rentals, and since rent prices have gone down, that is doable now in New York City, that amount
Teacher Terry
8-29-21, 9:00pm
That’s really crazy about New York City being the same.
iris lilies
8-29-21, 9:15pm
That’s really crazy about New York City being the same.
Well, those are one bedroom or studio’s, not your nice condo, but still —They are places I think I would live in. I don’t know I don’t know in New York City so maybe I would not be happy with the neighborhoods but that’s the thing thing about Cash Jordan, he shows you in the neighborhood on his videos
Hereabouts, a shared room in a house runs $800-$1200. And that would be month-to-month, no lease.
My 3-4 bedroom home would rent for $4-5k/month. But with the current situation, almost nothing of this sort is even available on the market for year-round lease.
Before we bought last fall we were paying $4000 for a very nice 2 bed 2 bath in a non-hip neighborhood in Sam Francisco. Rent prices crashed during the pandemic so if we had stayed we probably could have negotiated with our landlord. Instead we moved and he probably had to accept a price somewhere in the lower $3,000s from the new tenants. But a year or two from now I’m sure he will have been able to bump the rent back up to where we were.
Simplemind
8-30-21, 1:41pm
DS and his girlfriend just got a duplex for a whopping $1850 a month. I was looking for an inexpensive (relatively) condo to buy and have them rent it but hadn't found one yet. They had planned to move in with a friend and rent a room for $600 a month allowing them to continue to sock money away to buy something. Girlfriend lasted less than three weeks with that set up. DS has just decided to work OT to make up the difference. He doesn't want to fall off his savings goals.
I have a super deal on my small rented condo. $925 a month. It started at $800/month in 2008. At least $200-$300 below market.
I have a super deal on my small rented condo. $925 a month. It started at $800/month in 2008. At least $200-$300 below market.
Just like my son! Same thing: $900--at least 200-300 below market price. And steps away from Church Street in Burlington (very desirable location).
Rentals in my favorite beach town, Ocean Grove, NJ, have skyrocketed. They're probably almost double what they were 4 years ago.
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