Cosmetic surgery

[iris lilies]

What is the deal with these cute young women having awful cosmetic procedures done to their face? There’s a young woman in St. Louis who’s full of the Botox stuff and I knew she didn’t look natural, but then I saw someone on TV who has exactly the same look, not an actress but somebody on one of the reality shows.

They are striving for that exact look, apparently. And then on another reality show I saw the most hideous version of cosmetic surgery. Honestly I kept staring at this woman who was on a Say Yes to the Dress show in London. She looked like a man. I kept staring at her looking for an Adam’s apple. She was thrilled with her cosmetic surgery and they showed a picture of her before and she was a cute woman prior to messing up her face.

[Yppej]

I agree. Darcy and Stacy are prime examples.

[JaneV2.0]

I've noticed that--so many of these people end up looking exactly the same--like Barbie dolls.
I have no problem with plastic surgery in general, if it's done judiciously.

[pony mom]

What happens when they start aging? I don't think it will look natural and they'll get more stuff done.

It's amazing how phony so many celebrities and internet personalities look. Between hair extensions, fake lashes, tattooed eyebrows, contouring, shapewear, filters, photoshop, veneers.....and the guys are just as bad as the women! It must be funny if a couple hooks up and they don't recognize each other in the morning.

I buzz my own hair and don't color it, only fill in my brows and occasionally wear mascara, follow a dental care program, and take care of my skin. And I think I'm high maintenance!

[GeorgeParker]

I've noticed that--so many of these people end up looking exactly the same--like Barbie dolls.
I have no problem with plastic surgery in general, if it's done judiciously.WARNING!!!
The url in this message talks about cosmetic surgery between your legs. The existence of this procedure was pointed out to me by my exSO because she was as horrified by it as I am. I can't believe women actually do this.
https://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2014/s4104368.htm


(https://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2014/s4104368.htm)

[JaneV2.0]

So few nose jobs end well.

[GeorgeParker]

Well, cosmetic surgery didn't turn out well for The Joker:

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[catherine]

As my Scottish MIL would say, "it's a lot of nonsense." But actually, in her older years, she tinkered with the idea of having her double chin lifted (she didn't have much of a double chin, either).

I do not believe in cosmetic surgery. Some careers have been ruined by it (Jennifer Gray). I have a bump on my nose that I've always hated, but I've never had the money or enough motivation to do anything about it.

If it makes people feel better about themselves, that's great, and I think they should do it if they want to, but in general, I think it sets people off on a quest for perfection that really can't be achieved. I like quirky. That goes for houses and faces.

[GeorgeParker]

Way back in the early 1960s a comedian did a routine about plastic surgery. The only line I remember is "People with big noses all want a cute little nose, so they get a nose job. And they're naturally attracted to a mate who also has a cute little nose. And when their baby is born, the kid has a beak like a macaw!"

[iris lilies]

WARNING!!!
The url in this message talks about cosmetic surgery between your legs. The existence of this procedure was pointed out to me by my exSO because she was as horrified by it as I am. I can't believe women actually do this.
https://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2014/s4104368.htm


(https://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2014/s4104368.htm)

I watched a documentary about labia surgery. Some of those operations are “necessary” apparently to remove excess tissue that leads to chafing and discomfort. But there is a trend for aesthetic surgery. Unfortunate.

[boss mare]

I am a Botox/ Dysport and Juvederm user. Number one thing to remember about injectables is that they do wear off. I use Botox/Dysport because I have a very very bad habit of extreme frowning when I am concentrating or under alot of stress. I look very angry and unapproachable. That's not a good thing when working at a dental office . Its been a God send to me. The skill of the Dr administering it and having a reasonable expectation is important. I don't have the deer in the headlight look . I have also had breast reduction. and the benefit of that is now even at age 60, not only do I have back and shoulder issues gone, but I am very perky. Sorry if that was TMI
Now, that said, I have a friend who has had a lot of " body and fender work" done . From a distance, she looks awesome. Up close, not so much and its obvious that she has had work done.
OTOH... I just love Dolly Parton's quote " If it's draggin' or saggin', it gets nipped and tucked"
But then look at Michael Jackson. his first nose job he was fine... ( Thriller era) But after that, when he got chin and cheek implants and more nose jobs... That was very sad. he was a very handsome man before all of that.

[iris lilies]

Boss Mare it isnt the botox on foreheads that I notice, it is lip fillers plus I think ?cheek? implants?that forms this, I dunno, smiling zombie look I notice on young women.

Nicole Kidman had lip fillers for a while And that looked stupid on her because she has naturally very thin lips. She has a thin nose delicate features, thin lips, she’s a classic Celtic or Northern European women. But yes, this was temporary, I know Botox disappears.

I need to go off to Googleland and find a photo of The Look I am talking about. Oh, also two of the look-alike babes I mean are super skinny with bigboobs, so It is likely they had boob jobs, too. Additions.It is unusual for the super skinny to have balloon breasts.

[Alan]

As a teenager and young woman my wife's younger sister was blessed with a spectacular chest, which she enjoyed, as well as a spectacular nose, which she did not. By the time she was 50 she decided that her back could no longer survive the chest and she was just tired of that hawk like nose so she had them both reduced. She's much happier now and if you didn't know better, you'd never know the nose wasn't natural.

[iris lilies]

Nose jobs are classic if you need it.

As a teenager my nose used to bother me, but now I look at it and think it’s perfectly fine. It’s not a NICE nose, there are no cosmetic surgeons who are using my nose as a model nose, but it is perfectly fine for me.

[iris lilies]

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/1186393/cheek-filler-change-chloe-ferry-look-megan-barton-hanson/

ok, this captures the trend I’m talking about that makes them all look the same: lip plus cheek fillers.

[Jane v2.0]

https://www.the-sun.com/lifestyle/1186393/cheek-filler-change-chloe-ferry-look-megan-barton-hanson/

ok, this captures the trend I’m talking about that makes them all look the same: lip plus cheek fillers.

Ewww. The first woman--Chloe Ferry--was naturally lovely before the carnage. Her perfectly acceptable nose appears to have been ruined, too. But it's her face...

[jp1]

Sometimes I learn things in the most unexpected places. When I got my moderna shot a few weeks ago one of the screening questions was "any dermal fillers?" Those three words in that combination meant nothing to me such that I had to ask the woman to repeat the question before answering no figuring that while I had no idea what they were, if I'd had dermal fillers surely I would at least recognize the phrase. Apparently people who have them occasionally have issues after they get jabbed for covid.

I don't personally find the bloated lips and hard chiseled face look to be at all attractive, but I assume there must be other people who do or else it wouldn't be a thing. If/when these women have children I suppose they won't get the usual comments about how the child looks like them...

[Teacher Terry]

I have known people that had breast reductions that had pain disappear from not having to carry such a heavy load. Lip and cheek fillers make people look weird.

[happystuff]

I think they call it "plastic surgery" for a reason - all too often, people end up looking "plastic" - definitely not "normal".

In my opinion, there is such a beauty to aging! I find it very sad that so many people struggle to stay "young" when aging is inevitable (and what exactly constitutes "young" - 18, 25, 30, 40, 50????). I'd rather embrace with joy myself in my final years than spending those years hating and fearing and fighting the inevitable. But that's just me.

[pinkytoe]

I am too much of a chicken to have things altered. I inherited a tendency towards droopy eyelids so if it hinders my eyesight someday, I might consider that surgery to correct. The look I find weird and I don't know what causes it is the Joker smile. Noticed it on recent pix of Britney Spears.

[happystuff]

I am too much of a chicken to have things altered. I inherited a tendency towards droopy eyelids so if it hinders my eyesight someday, I might consider that surgery to correct. The look I find weird and I don't know what causes it is the Joker smile. Noticed it on recent pix of Britney Spears.

I think there is a difference between corrective surgery and cosmetic surgery. Clefts, repairable disfigurements, etc. are wholly different things to me than simply "make me look younger/better". Breast reduction to fix back pain, fixing a nose to be able to breath better, etc. - to me - all corrective.

[iris lilies]

I am too much of a chicken to have things altered. I inherited a tendency towards droopy eyelids so if it hinders my eyesight someday, I might consider that surgery to correct. The look I find weird and I don't know what causes it is the Joker smile. Noticed it on recent pix of Britney Spears.
tHe Joker Smile! That’s it! It is what k I’m talking about here, it’s a combination of cheek filler and lip filler I believe.

[GeorgeParker]

what exactly constitutes "young" - 18, 25, 30, 40, 50????Apropos:
1986 Jordache Jean commercial that was quickly banned.
1st Teen Boy: "Have you ever seen your parents naked?"
1st Teen Girl: "I did, but it wasn't that bad."
2nd Teen Girl: "I can't even think about it." {Shudder}
2nd Teen Boy: "It's like they reach a certain age and their skin doesn't fit anymore."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEOt-KdnB18

[boss mare]

Boss Mare it isnt the botox on foreheads that I notice, it is lip fillers plus I think ?cheek? implants?that forms this, I dunno, smiling zombie look I notice on young women.

Nicole Kidman had lip fillers for a while And that looked stupid on her because she has naturally very thin lips. She has a thin nose delicate features, thin lips, she’s a classic Celtic or Northern European women. But yes, this was temporary, I know Botox disappears.

I need to go off to Googleland and find a photo of The Look I am talking about. Oh, also two of the look-alike babes I mean are super skinny with bigboobs, so It is likely they had boob jobs, too. Additions.It is unusual for the super skinny to have balloon breasts.

I get Botox injections between my brows, the corners of my eyes and my forehead. My frowning is is so bad that the muscles are so strong that the Dr actually does injections up into my scalp. My Juvederm is to correct the frown lines at the corners of my mouth and the " marionette lines" so I have a more balanced look overall. I think lip injections are silly. As someone who was very large busted , boob jobs are ridiculous. The exception being a mastectomy . Then I am all for it.

[jp1]

The discussion about naturally large breasted women reminds me of a very sweet coworker I had long ago. She was in her mid 20’s, about 5 foot nothing tall and had massive boobs. She hated them and even at her age was already suffering from back pain as a result. So she decided to have them reduced. One day, before she did, she came to work and shared an awful experience she had had on the NJ transit train that morning. An older fellow standing near her on the crowded train looked her up and down before focusing on her boobs and then said to them, ‘nice. Very nice.’ Being a thick skinned girl from NJ she was able to handle it, responding ‘thanks. I’ll tell my mother you like them.’ And rolling her eyes. But it obviously hadn’t been a pleasant experience for her. After the reduction she looked much more proportional and seemed to be much more comfortable with her body.

[GeorgeParker]

One problem with big breasts that didn't exist 40+ years ago is the current assumption that if you have huge breasts in proportion to your body size, they must be fake, and if you have tiny breasts in proportion to your body size, they must be real. And nowadays even If your breasts are the perfect size, a certain percentage of people will suspect they've been enhanced.

In the days before cosmetic surgery became so common and breast implants became so highly publicized, the general assumption was simple: Unless you're a movie star or a Playboy bunny, whatever breast size you have is obviously real. Alas, only small-breasted women get the benefit of that assumption now.

[ApatheticNoMore]

People should get it if they want it, but unless it's corrective (born with deformities, burn injuries, pain, etc.), noone has any need for it before 40 and almost noone at 40 for that matter either (meth addicts maybe? lifelong smokers perhaps? tanning addicts?). But if one has to draw an arbitrary line.

But I don't think younger people getting surgery is actually about low self-worth necessarily, it's about the stuff talked about in the prostitution thread. So one is an okay looking young woman, that's enough really if one wants a guy to sleep with or a guy to date (I won't comment on non-hetero relationships). Some of those guys will not be good news, but that's another subject (having met a few abusive guys in my youth). But what if instead of something ordinary like that, one is trying to snag a doctor or someone richer than that, or what if one sells ones image to get rich oneself, an actress, an influencer whatever ... then one turns oneself into what one imagines is the perfect embodiment of male desire. It's cartoonish, I mean that's what it most resembles is a cartoon.

The breast thing seems quaint, apparently the latest surgery is on the butt and tons of women have had it. I saw a woman with an amazing bootie, and then thought "it's probably fake, it's too perfect". Yea, yea, just a lot of working out at the gym, but that's not how it looked, it changes how you see things to know how many fake booties etc. there are out there.

[GeorgeParker]

The breast thing seems quaint, apparently the latest surgery is on the butt and tons of women have had it."A Chorus Line" debuted on Broadway in 1975, and one of the songs in it was about cosmetic surgery to enhance the breast and butt. It's very much worth noting how big her boobs are. They're big but not huge. And this is this image chosen to represent what a woman who got her "tits and ass" enhanced looks like in 1975 -- not freakish, just very shapely.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK8Hef6n6dQ

[ApatheticNoMore]

This is what I read, well reading that was pretty disturbing.

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22598377/bbl-brazilian-butt-lift-miami-cost-tiktok

[ApatheticNoMore]

I think there is a difference between corrective surgery and cosmetic surgery. Clefts, repairable disfigurements, etc. are wholly different things to me than simply "make me look younger/better". Breast reduction to fix back pain, fixing a nose to be able to breath better, etc. - to me - all corrective.

I think having the eyelid surgery is also supposed to enhance the appearance of the eyes, so it's a twofer, even if one decided to get it for the most pragmatic of reasons.

[pony mom]

My eyelids are getting droopy and if it disturbs my vision, I'll get them lifted.

I have a large nose and always thought I'd like it made smaller. But then they convince you to get a chin implant to balance the nose. Well, while you're down there, you may as well suck up my droopy jowls. Oh, and my mouth turns down, and it just goes on and on. My family tells me I look like my grandmother; with surgery I wouldn't look like her. But I do seem to have Resting B*tch Face.>:(

I think those big fat lips look ridiculous. And so obviously fake.

Madonna looks absolutely spooky: https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/madonna-transformation-and-plastic-surgery-speculation-photos/

[Jane v2.0]

A RBF has served me well over the years.

[Teacher Terry]

Once your eyelids impact your vision insurance will pay but it’s got to be really bad.

[Yppej]

A RBF has served me well over the years.

It's such a sexist, gender-specific term. I hate it. Why do women always have to look friendly and men don't?

Same thing with people telling me, "Smile! You'll look prettier" or "Oops. You dropped something on the floor. A smile." (Fortunately now that I am older I don't get these comments as much.)

I bet no one tells a man, "Smile. You'll look more handsome."

[GeorgeParker]

I bet no one tells a man, "Smile. You'll look more handsome."You're wrong about that. But it's mostly moms saying it to their teenage sons or young girls flirting with a boy they like.

[Yppej]

You're wrong about that. But it's mostly moms saying it to their teenage sons or young girls flirting with a boy they like.

Interesting that both examples you give are of minors, whereas I got these unwanted comments well into my thirties.

[boss mare]

A RBF has served me well over the years.



I have a severe case of RBF... But in my world ( horses) we call it Mare Stare LOL

[GeorgeParker]

A horse walks into a bar, and the bartender takes one look at him and says "Why the long face?"

[Jane v2.0]

I have a severe case of RBF... But in my world ( horses) we call it Mare Stare LOL

:D

[Jane v2.0]

It's such a sexist, gender-specific term. I hate it. Why do women always have to look friendly and men don't?

Same thing with people telling me, "Smile! You'll look prettier" or "Oops. You dropped something on the floor. A smile." (Fortunately now that I am older I don't get these comments as much.)

I bet no one tells a man, "Smile. You'll look more handsome."

I own it proudly. I've never smiled on command or gone around grinning like a chimp for no reason (Google chimp fear grin). Men don't have to go around showing submission to all and sundry, for obvious reasons. That's why "resting bitch face" is gender-specific.

[GeorgeParker]

Interesting that both examples you give are of minors, whereas I got these unwanted comments well into my thirties.The "hansom" phrase is used almost exclusively on non-adult males because once boys hit 18-20 what we hear all the time is "Smile so the customers will think you enjoy working here" or "Smile so the customers will think you're friendly -- that way they'll relax and be easier to sell stuff to" or "Smile so people will think you're friendly. No one wants to make friends with a stranger who looks like they're mad" or "You need to smile more, dude. It's a chick magnet" or "Smile because it makes you look more powerful and self confident."

If you think about it, all of those phrases are to some extent conveying the idea that smiling makes you look more attractive so you can acquire customers, friends, females, gullible muppets, or whatever and manipulate them for your own benefit.

In essence "You'd be prettier if you smiled more" is exactly the same advice: "Make the package more attractive so people will want to be your friend and buy what whatever product, idea, philosophy, or thing you're selling."


Why do women always have to look friendly and men don't?All boys and men in customer-facing sales or service occupations or occupations that involve persuasion in some other way do have to always look friendly and helpful. And so does any guy who wants to attract nice girls or good friends. Pat Boone said so! https://www.amazon.com/Twixt-Twelve-Twenty-Pat-Boone/dp/0139349928

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[pinkytoe]

I worked with a girl from Ukraine once who explained to me that they rarely smile at strangers as it is considered disingenuous and rude - especially showing teeth.

[happystuff]

I usually walk around with a smile on my face, mainly because I am usually happy and it makes me feel better to physically smile. (There must be a study out there somewhere - endorphins, etc. LOL) I've also been known to audibly chuckle for no apparent reason to anyone else - usually when I've thought of something that makes me laugh.

[iris lilies]

I usually walk around with a smile on my face, mainly because I am usually happy and it makes me feel better to physically smile. (There must be a study out there somewhere - endorphins, etc. LOL) I've also been known to audibly chuckle for no apparent reason to anyone else - usually when I've thought of something that makes me laugh.
I haven’t read studies, but I will bet that a laugh or two a day releases some sort of healing properties in our bodies.

[GeorgeParker]

I usually walk around with a smile on my face, mainly because I am usually happy and it makes me feel better to physically smile. (There must be a study out there somewhere - endorphins, etc. LOL) I've also been known to audibly chuckle for no apparent reason to anyone else - usually when I've thought of something that makes me laugh.The book "The As If Principle: The Radically New Approach to Changing Your Life" by Richard Wiseman https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/15949993-the-as-if-principle is based on the writings of the victorian philosopher William James. James figured out by observation that almost everything we do is decided by the subconscious mind based on information it receives from our body and our five senses. Our conscious mind isn't notified about how we feel, what emotion we're having, or what we're doing until a fraction of a second after our subconscious makes it's automatic decision. So even though we think we make conscious decisions, most of the time our conscious mind is just "deciding" to do what the subconscious has already set in motion.

The point is, if our body is acting like we're happy or sad or angry (all of which are automatic reactions triggered by our "lizard brain" https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/where-addiction-meets-your-brain/201404/your-lizard-brain ) then our subconscious receives the message that we're having that emotion and informs our conscious brain.

Sometimes we consciously decide we don't want the emotion our body is feeling, or at least we don't want to openly display that emotion, so we consciously give the order to look friendly or suppress tears or calm down and relax our muscles.

[catherine]

I usually walk around with a smile on my face, mainly because I am usually happy and it makes me feel better to physically smile. (There must be a study out there somewhere - endorphins, etc. LOL) I've also been known to audibly chuckle for no apparent reason to anyone else - usually when I've thought of something that makes me laugh.

You'll appreciate this video, happystuff, because you are a devotee of Buddhism. Thich Nhat Hanh frequently talks about the benefit of smiling.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ReQqoaYnc

[happystuff]

You'll appreciate this video, happystuff, because you are a devotee of Buddhism. Thich Nhat Hanh frequently talks about the benefit of smiling.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-ReQqoaYnc

Wonderful, catherine! Thank you for sharing this. And, yes, it made me smile!!! LOL.