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Do you think this speech was:
A - A landmark speech that will be remembered as the moment America was saved from autocracy.
B - A failed attempt at a distraction from other issues that even Stacey Abrams couldn’t be bothered to attend.
C - I’ve already forgotten it.
Do you think this speech was:
A - A landmark speech that will be remembered as the moment America was saved from autocracy.
B - A failed attempt at a distraction from other issues that even Stacey Abrams couldn’t be bothered to attend.
C - I’ve already forgotten it.
At this time that question is unanswerable. History is written by the winners. At this point we have no idea if biden is the winner or if the republicans will succeed in suppressing the vote to the point that they can be the perpetual "winners".
D - none of the above. I wouldn't dismiss it as just a distraction, because I think he was genuinely motivated to please his base on this issue.
Besides nothing can distract people from the mess we are in as a contradictory, inept healthocracry guts our economy. Asymptomatic people have to stay home and that is worsening already bad supply chain issues and prolonging us reaching herd immunity and returning to normal. All the quarantining is being done to protect anti-vaxxers who could get the shot and protect themselves.
Yes, workers could go home to vulnerable vaccinated people and infect them, but as noted by CDC Director Rochelle Wolensky those people have on average four comorbodities. They are in such rough shape if covid didn't get them the seasonal flu or something else would.
I don't wish for the few to die, but is it better for our whole economy and civilization to collapse and everyone die because we can't get food to our supermarkets among other things, since so many people are stuck at home quarantining and isolating?
Definitely Biden has made things worse by feeding into the covid issues.
At this time that question is unanswerable. History is written by the winners. At this point we have no idea if biden is the winner or if the republicans will succeed in suppressing the vote to the point that they can be the perpetual "winners".
That is Biden’s premise, that the GOP wants to return us to the dark days of 2019 when you only had eleven days of early voting instead of fifteen, and couldn’t hand out goodies to people waiting in line. Joe pounding his podium and insisting that all who oppose him are racist enemies of democracy seems fairly silly to me, in an autocratic sort of way.
Given the available votes, he doesn’t even seem to be trying to create an imaginary crisis he can heroically solve. He’s just creating an imaginary crisis he can blame his opposition for when he fails to solve it. It fails as both polemics and practical politics.
It's not on my radar, but I get the impression that the GOP has created an issue that doesn't exist to support the illusion that the 2020 election results were not accurate, as in stop the steal. Then Biden has to have a come back argument. I'm routinely amazed at the numbers touted about that much of Republicans think Trump actually won the election because of some sort of fault in the election process.
It's not on my radar, but I get the impression that the GOP has created an issue that doesn't exist to support the illusion that the 2020 election results were not accurate, as in stop the steal. Then Biden has to have a come back argument. I'm routinely amazed at the numbers touted about that much of Republicans think Trump actually won the election because of some sort of fault in the election process.
I have to agree with you there. Both the Trump and Biden camps are selling nonsense to create a sense of crisis. Stop the Steal and New Jim Crow are two sides of the same coin. Before that it was Russian collusion and cannibal conspiracies.
frugal-one
1-13-22, 9:19am
The Gerrymandering in WI and other states qualifies as a crisis IMO!
The Gerrymandering in WI and other states qualifies as a crisis IMO!
Last year our Democratic Governor presented alternative districts his “People’s Maps Commission” drew up, but he lost a lot of support among his own party members. They felt his alternative violated the Voting Rights Act by diluting minority representation.
Wisconsin is sort of an extreme case of what we see in the US, with very concentrated Democratic support in 2 of the 72 counties and more diffuse GOP support in the rest of the state. It’s one reason the state gave Obama a victory in one term and Trump the next. The politics can be squirrelly here, but I don’t see a fascist putsch anytime soon.
Now we know why republicans are so concerned about election fraud. They assume that since they are doing it that the democrats must be too. It will be interesting to see how far up the ladder the planning for this forgery plot went.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow/watch/similarities-suggest-coordination-in-fake-elector-letters-from-republicans-in-five-states-130662469836
Here in my state, in the recent redistricting efforts, I have seen the Democratic Party redrawing lines to marginalize some communities, and make some seats even safer for Democrat candidates. Even locally in a previous precinct rearrangement, the local party moved lines to keep certain individuals in or out of certain precincts.
I observed similar behaviour when I lived in California.
Recent efforts across the nation by the Republicans seem pretty over-the-top.
A pox on all their houses.
ApatheticNoMore
1-13-22, 2:05pm
I mean maybe someone somewhere suggests that Dems don't do it because of their superior moral character or something but that's really not the argument.
It's not an argument about virtuous politicians. The argument is Republicans are doing it in a way that actually affects national elections and unfairly tilts the balance of state and federal power (against what the majority in their state want). And so Dems and what they would do if they had that power (but they don't) are really beside the point. And that's just redistricting. Voter suppression would be something it would be hard to put on the Dems at all.
I will accept that neither party likes 3rd parties much and will try to disenfranchise them, but also the way the system is setup (basically not proportional representations and first past the post voting) makes 3rd parties pretty unviable regardless of the machinations of Dems and Republicans, they are largely disenfranchised by the nature of the system from the get go.
I see Sinema spoke in support of the filibuster today. I assume this means the left can stop debating whether to say “transformative” or “transformational”, unless they manage a major surprise in the midterms.
It's interesting to see how narratives are used regarding all things political these days. Seeing President Biden talk about modern day Jim Crow and joining all Congressional Democrats as they go on and on about the need for a new Voting Rights Law, as if those rights were in some sort of jeapordy, is nothing more than advancing a narrative not backed up by facts in order to rile the vast majority of voters who could care less about reality.
We see it every day as Democrats demonize Republicans for not backing initiatives such as the Build Back Better Plan when those same Democrats have no idea what is even in the legislation. When our Democratic leaders support things such as doing away with the Senate Filibuster in order to advance un-needed legislation all the while knowing that they'll be all in on Filibuster once they lose their slim majority. The only thing that matters is the narrative they advance to their base at any given moment.
The same applies to Gerrymandering. Every state legislature, regardless of party makeup, does it but you'd never know that if you rely on mainstream media or social media posts. Many legislative districts must be re-districted after each census in order to account for changing population counts. Every state legislature must do it from time to time but we only hear about it when Republicans use it to their advantage and are accused of gerrymandering, I can't recall ever hearing about Democrat legislatures using it to their advantage as well, and even when it may come up it's only referred to as re-districting. Informed people know better.
I really wish we lived in a more rational and honest world.
frugal-one
1-13-22, 2:53pm
Last year our Democratic Governor presented alternative districts his “People’s Maps Commission” drew up, but he lost a lot of support among his own party members. They felt his alternative violated the Voting Rights Act by diluting minority representation.
Wisconsin is sort of an extreme case of what we see in the US, with very concentrated Democratic support in 2 of the 72 counties and more diffuse GOP support in the rest of the state. It’s one reason the state gave Obama a victory in one term and Trump the next. The politics can be squirrelly here, but I don’t see a fascist putsch anytime soon.
You obviously are checking different sites or listening to different pundits. Robin Vos and Ron Johnson are 2 that does to mind that definitely need to be out of office!!
Republicans in WI has abused the system big time. Last election was so egregious, with the big moron running, that record numbers came out to vote. Now talk by Republicans is to only have one voting place in Milwaukee… ludicrous!!
I see Sinema spoke in support of the filibuster today. I assume this means the left can stop debating whether to say “transformative” or “transformational”, unless they manage a major surprise in the midterms.
I'm not certain if I follow your terminology, but it's possible we can thank politicians like Sinema just like we can thank Mitch for opposing Trump's move to end the filibuster. Right now, with the country so divided it seems to me like a rational way to encourage the two parties or opposing or ideas to work together. I could see where ending the filibuster could backfire if we see the return of the son of Trump or similar in the future. At least that's my basic understanding of things.
EDIT to add: Here in my state I get a mail in ballot for every election. I don't have to ask, or show a new ID, or be around Covid people, or go to a polling station in the snow or during work. I don't know of any instance where this system has proven to be an opportunity for fraud and it's been that way for years. I have opinions on our country's future I would like to express, and it seems to me like that or something similar, is the way it should work. So I don't understand all the discussion about voter restrictions when it could be so easy to have a similar system.
ApatheticNoMore
1-13-22, 4:21pm
Oh Wisconsin is one of the most obvious examples of stuff being totally rigged for Republicans now (yea I'd be constantly annoyed by it if I lived there, I think it's really a very good thing for my mental health I don't).
This is stuff that has gone on in WI
-In 2016 Republicans won about 161,000 more votes than Democrats in assembly races statewide, giving them 64 of the state’s 99 seats — even though that margin represented only about 52 percent of the votes cast. In 2018, Democrats did far better, winning 53 percent of assembly votes cast statewide and more than 200,000 more votes on net. The result? Republicans won 63 of the state’s 99 assembly seats.
-This can be seen in seeing how the WI legislature shifts over time, it used to go back and forth fairly regularly, along with governorship, as it would in a purplish state, now only the governorship does. But that's just because the state is all Republican now? Only it isn't, see above, see ability of a Dem governor to get elected. Also the presidential vote goes back and forth you don't see that in a solid red or blue state.
- Legislature stripped Dem governor of power when elected (and the governor is the only one truly subjected to majority vote at all as the rest is radically gerrymandered - see above)
- In 2020 radically gerrymandered legislature forced in person voting in a pandemic (remember there were no vaccines then, so never mind "vaccines work", there were none)
- In addition polling places in in Milwaukee were radically reduced, from 180 until 5
I've delved into this BECAUSE Wisconsin is kind of a textbook example of things going radically wrong, where one Republican win is transformed into elections will not count from now on.
There is a rational and a hysterical interpretation of those numbers. On the rational side, while recognizing gerrymandering exists (although not at democracy-threatening levels) varying levels of party support in various geographic areas means that there will always be a difference between the distribution of total votes cast and assembly seats won in any given election.
The Milwaukee Election Commission made the decision to reduce the number of polling sites from 180 to 5 in 2020, not a cabal of GOP operatives. This is not a city dominated by Republicans.
There was a Covid panic ongoing at the time. The Governor tried unsuccessfully to delay some elections. Given that Covid is still a factor, that would have been a mistake.
Given Trump’s ridiculous antics, the Democrats had the chance to present themselves as the reasonable, fact-based party. They elected not to. Instead they are fighting BS with BS of their own.
frugal-one
1-14-22, 12:42pm
There is a rational and a hysterical interpretation of those numbers. On the rational side, while recognizing gerrymandering exists (although not at democracy-threatening levels) varying levels of party support in various geographic areas means that there will always be a difference between the distribution of total votes cast and assembly seats won in any given election.
The Milwaukee Election Commission made the decision to reduce the number of polling sites from 180 to 5 in 2020, not a cabal of GOP operatives. This is not a city dominated by Republicans.
Given Trump’s ridiculous antics, the Democrats had the chance to present themselves as the reasonable, fact-based party. They elected not to.
Of course this is a threat to our democracy! The Republicans are not only trying to limit polling places but also who counts the votes. Milwaukee has many black voters who historically have voted for dems so it is to the advantage of republicans to make to difficult (if not impossible) for them to vote… i.e. Put the single polling location not on a bus route!
The state is in control by republicans and is tying the hands of the democratic governor….even curtailing/changing the rules that republicans enjoyed while they were in the governor’s seat.
I have always been an Independent. Sadly, I voted for Walker which started the decline of civility in the state IMO….a preamble (if you will) to the destruction of the republican party.
Of course this is a threat to our democracy! The Republicans are not only trying to limit polling places but also who counts the votes. Milwaukee has many black voters who historically have voted for dems so it is to the advantage of republicans to make to difficult (if not impossible) for them to vote… i.e. Put the single polling location not on a bus route!
The state is in control by republicans and is tying the hands of the democratic governor….even curtailing/changing the rules that republicans enjoyed while they were in the governor’s seat.
I have always been an Independent. Sadly, I voted for Walker which started the decline of civility in the state IMO….a preamble (if you will) to the destruction of the republican party.
The number and location of polling places in the City of Milwaukee isn’t determined by dastardly Republicans at the state level. It is determined at the local level by the democracy-loving Democrats who have ruled that city for generations.
The number and location of polling places in the City of Milwaukee isn’t determined by dastardly Republicans at the state level. It is determined at the local level by the democracy-loving Democrats who have ruled that city for generations.
Well that kicks the preferred narrative in the teeth doesn't it?
frugal-one
1-14-22, 3:49pm
The number and location of polling places in the City of Milwaukee isn’t determined by dastardly Republicans at the state level. It is determined at the local level by the democracy-loving Democrats who have ruled that city for generations.
Untrue.
Dems wanted election to be delayed and/or more outdoor polling venues based on covid. Republicans did whatever they could to prevent people having the option to vote.
Untrue.
Dems wanted election to be delayed and/or more outdoor polling venues based on covid. Republicans did whatever they could to prevent people having the option to vote.
True.
The members of the Milwaukee Election Commission are appointed by the Mayor of Milwaukee and confirmed by the Common Council. There was a dispute over whether to delay the election that was eventually resolved by the Wisconsin Supreme Court. I don’t know that holding an election in April instead of June resulted in fewer Democrats and more Republicans voting, and neither does anyone else.
...just so you know....as much as 50% of the requests for mail-in ballots for our next state election have been rejected, due to new voting laws in Texas. Even the election administrators are disturbed the figures are so high. Making it harder for eligible citizens to vote is what I call voter suppression.
iris lilies
1-16-22, 12:02am
...just so you know....as much as 50% of the requests for mail-in ballots for our next state election have been rejected, due to new voting laws in Texas. Even the election administrators are disturbed the figures are so high. Making it harder for eligible citizens to vote is what I call voter suppression.
What are the dominant reasons they’re being rejected?
What are the dominant reasons they’re being rejected?
Yes, , and maybe the answer includes my other issue of curiosity, but are the rejected requests biased for any specific group? Is voting at polling stations the most common way to vote there?
Here, mail in voting is so common it's taken for granted. Anything else seems restrictive to me. Standardized voting methods for national elections makes sense to me.
What are the dominant reasons they’re being rejected?
From what I’ve read, Texas now requires the ballot application to match the driver’s license number, state ID number or last four digits of the social security number the voter provided when they registered.
iris lilies
1-16-22, 11:39am
Yes, , and maybe the answer includes my other issue of curiosity, but are the rejected requests biased for any specific group? Is voting at polling stations the most common way to vote there?
Here, mail in voting is so common it's taken for granted. Anything else seems restrictive to me. Standardized voting methods for national elections makes sense to me.
oh hell no for “standardization.” Just one more Big Government creep.
One’s state has to have the capacity to do what all other states do. Good luck with that.
oh hell no for “standardization.” Just one more Big Government creep.
One’s state has to have the capacity to do what all other states do. Good luck with that.
Yea, well it's pretty much a dead horse anyway, but national election, national rules. And simplified mail in ballots so everyone has a chance to vote regardless of polling difficulties like weather, work, and travel. Works just fine here. Hell yes. State and local elections can do what they want.
Is it just because it's your favorite enemy, "big gobermt" or a better reason around voting fairness?
iris lilies
1-16-22, 12:48pm
Yea, well it's pretty much a dead horse anyway, but national election, national rules. And simplified mail in ballots so everyone has a chance to vote regardless of polling difficulties like weather, work, and travel. Works just fine here. Hell yes. State and local elections can do what they want.
Is it just because it's your favorite enemy, "big gobermt" or a better reason around voting fairness?
But its not a national election! Every Presidential election has tons of local issues on the ballot. And other Elections, here anyway, are held at least twice a year that have NOTHING to do with national politics.Are you one of those people who only vote every four years?
I do not favor ceeding one more inch of control to the Feds, taking it from the states. The feds can recommend standards but not impose them. I suppose The Feds can even throw shit tons of money at states who will do it the way they want it done as enticement, more stupid money going out, but any further step than that is wrong.
Yea, well it's pretty much a dead horse anyway, but national election, national rules. All elections are local. Many people consider Presidential or Senate elections to be national but they're actually not. Senators run in one state and Presidential contenders run nationally but the votes they receive are attributed to the states as well to determine how electoral college results are applied.
There's no need to replace local boards of election with one national arbiter of how your school board or county sheriff are elected.
I do not favor ceeding one more inch of control to the Feds, taking it from the states. The feds can recommend standards but not impose them. I suppose The Feds can even throw shit tons of money at states who will do it the way they want it done as enticement, more stupid money going out, but any further step than that is wrong.
And how do you feel about pollution standards, the military, and other federally regulated "big gobrmt" public interests.
iris lilies
1-16-22, 1:19pm
And how do you feel about pollution standards, the military, and other federally regulated "big gobrmt" public interests.
The federal government has a role. It has overstepped its role. That’s how I feel. At minimum it should provide defense for our country’s borders. It has some regulation of national commerce.
The federal government has a role. It has overstepped its role. That’s how I feel. At minimum it should provide defense for our country’s borders. It has some regulation of national commerce.
The only reason to support a federal government is to coordinate the defense of the country. As far a commerce goes I think it should only be an arbiter of disputes between the states. Of course we've well exceeded those simple responsibilities long ago.
From what I’ve read, Texas now requires the ballot application to match the driver’s license number, state ID number or last four digits of the social security number the voter provided when they registered.
I am thinking it's more complicated, but this is what the Texas web site says. I guess they don't have snow days there, but probably work or transportation issues that could include or exclude certain classes of people.
To be eligible to vote early by mail in Texas, you must:
be 65 years or older;
be sick or disabled;
be out of the county on election day and during the period for early voting by personal appearance;
be expected to give birth within three weeks before or after Election Day; or
be confined in jail, but otherwise eligible.
https://www.sos.texas.gov/elections/voter/reqabbm.shtml
I think the founders did an excellent job of creating obstacles for individuals, groups and even passing majorities from grabbing and exercising arbitrarily power over the individual.
But I’m wondering if they didn’t foresee one branch of government ceding power in the way Congress has been to the Executive for the last century or so. Or how the Executive has ceded power to an administrative bureaucracy.
The only reason to support a federal government is to coordinate the defense of the country. As far a commerce goes I think it should only be an arbiter of disputes between the states. Of course we've well exceeded those simple responsibilities long ago.
Probably a lengthy and futile discussion could ensue, but I still get a chuckle over Rick Perry's speech when he proposed eliminating three government agencies, but couldn't remember the department of energy as the third. I have a friend who works at NREL and he later paid them a visit as head of the department and made an illustrious speech supporting their efforts. He did better in Dancing with the Stars.
Rogar's listing of the requirements to request a mail-in ballot in Texas (already some of the most restrictive in the nation) are as they have been for a while. The new requirements also include that you put your DL number and last 4 of your social security on the request, and apparently a lot of people aren't used to filling this addtl info out, so the requests are being tossed due to being "incomplete." Also, Texas mailed out 11,000 notifications to voters that required them to come down to the election office and prove they were citizens, by bringing in a copy of their birth certificate. All this, in spite of the fact that election fraud is negligible
All this, in spite of the fact that election fraud is negligibleWe hear that election fraud is negligible in national elections, but what about local ones? We never hear about those.
We only vote for President every four years, but we vote for state and local representatives, school and fire levies and a host of other things much more often. It doesn't take much fraud to unduly influence those things.
We hear that election fraud is negligible in national elections, but what about local ones? We never hear about those.
We only vote for President every four years, but we vote for state and local representatives, school and fire levies and a host of other things much more often. It doesn't take much fraud to unduly influence those things.
I could buy into that if there were significant evidence in states like mine will less restrictive practices. Or maybe we've had it all along and no one knows. The again, there were the 17 pallets of missing ballots found in the back alley in Georgia, mostly for Trump.
We hear that election fraud is negligible in national elections, but what about local ones? We never hear about those.
We only vote for President every four years, but we vote for state and local representatives, school and fire levies and a host of other things much more often. It doesn't take much fraud to unduly influence those things.
Your fake angst about non existent potential fraud is impressive. Bravo?
iris lilies
1-17-22, 1:07am
I could buy into that if there were significant evidence in states like mine will less restrictive practices. Or maybe we've had it all along and no one knows. The again, there were the 17 pallets of missing ballots found in the back alley in Georgia, mostly for Trump.
Congrats! I won’t make your state do the same thing as my state because we DO have verified-by-the-court election fraud. Y’all don’t need to tamp down on non-existent criminal activity at the polls in your state. Good for you!
Thanks for proving my point: one size does not fit all.
I am sure election procedures here will “loosen” up (as you seem to think of it) when our capacity to address those problems can handle them. Procedures are trending that way.
As a citizen here, I want my vote to count and not be negated by some fraudulent jackass.
The again, there were the 17 pallets of missing ballots found in the back alley in Georgia, mostly for Trump.
You forgot to add a snark tag. While rational people will realize that you were being absurd that kind of ridiculousness is part of the Republican party’s platform and is widely believed by a substantial portion of their voters.
Your fake angst about non existent potential fraud is impressive. Bravo?
No angst here JP, just pointing out that all elections are local and even a little fraud has an impact at the lower levels. That may not be something you're concerned about but that doesn't mean that no one should.
Congrats! I won’t make your state do the same thing as my state because we DO have verified-by-the-court election fraud. Y’all don’t need to tamp down on non-existent criminal activity at the polls in your state. Good for you!
Thanks for proving my point: one size does not fit all.
Is that just hear say, or could you point out a reliable news source saying election fraud is common or frequent in your state. I mean, that's what Trump claimed, too and even his own judges couldn't find anything. Sounds like a real "shit show" in your vernacular.
Depending on how it's counted, ten or twenty states have liberal vote by mail procedures. Here's a little real fact checking, although it's from the failing NYT.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/fact-checking-mail-in-voting.html
iris lilies
1-17-22, 3:08pm
Is that just hear say, or could you point out a reliable news source saying election fraud is common or frequent in your state. I mean, that's what Trump claimed, too and even his own judges couldn't find anything. Sounds like a real "shit show" in your vernacular.
Depending on how it's counted, ten or twenty states have liberal vote by mail procedures. Here's a little real fact checking, although it's from the failing NYT.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/fact-checking-mail-in-voting.html
sigh. I myself voted in an election that was court ordered because the first version was overturned due to fraudulent activities.
I know you will say that’s just anecdotal and it doesn’t really matter in the big scheme of things. That’s fine, you do you. It seems reasonable to me to put into place procedures that combat fraudulent voting. I don’t see how reasonable people can dispute that.
What can be disputed is the nuts and bolts of the electoral process and carrying it out. The devil is in the details.
iris lilies
1-17-22, 3:23pm
The voting verification process by mailing address, for instance, can easily be compromised. I watched thousands of dollars of computer games be stolen while working at the public library, all by people who registered their “address “to get a library card, came into the public library and checked out their maximum number of games, and then disappeared. We we never saw them again under that name anyway, them OR the games. Then they registered under a different name, rinse and repeat. There was whole cadre of them doing this.
Ways to falsify addresses that are common in St. Louis are give a an address that is not yours but it’s a legitimate point of delivery, then swing by and pick up mail there every day. That’s real common. I know it’s hard for people who don’t live in an urban core to understand the number of semi abandoned buildings, totally abandoned buildings, and etc. but it’s not hard to set up a faux mailing address.
'Bout all I can say knowing what you say and what I know IL, is maybe so. You live in a different world but some things are the same, too. But in my mind it's plain that people are playing politics with voter rights, and it's probably nothing new. I think sometimes, what if Pence had refused to accept the ballot results, and we didn't have a peaceful transfer of power. It's not all that remote.
There were a lot of games being played under the guise of fraudulent elections, and probably still will be.
The voting verification process by mailing address, for instance, can easily be compromised. I watched thousands of dollars of computer games be stolen while working at the public library, all by people who registered their “address “to get a library card, came into the public library and checked out their maximum number of games, and then disappeared. We we never saw them again under that name anyway, them OR the games. Then they registered under a different name, rinse and repeat. There was whole cadre of them doing this.
Ways to falsify addresses that are common in St. Louis are give a an address that is not yours but it’s a legitimate point of delivery, then swing by and pick up mail there every day. That’s real common. I know it’s hard for people who don’t live in an urban core to understand the number of semi abandoned buildings, totally abandoned buildings, and etc. but it’s not hard to set up a faux mailing address.
But without being able to prove citizenship as multiple people what benefit would this have in trying to fraudulently vote. Everyone over 18 who is a citizen is already allowed to vote, except of course for convicted felons in a few states, etc. But for the rest of us a fake address isn't going to benefit us.
iris lilies
1-17-22, 4:53pm
But without being able to prove citizenship as multiple people what benefit would this have in trying to fraudulently vote. Everyone over 18 who is a citizen is already allowed to vote, except of course for convicted felons in a few states, etc. But for the rest of us a fake address isn't going to benefit us.
I offer it only as one example of how easily these requirements can be circumvented. Of course, voting at a poll is NOT nearly as lucrative for the criminal as stealing stuff from the library and fencing it.
I guess there aren’t such things as fake IDs though, hunh who knew.
But I am not gonna get into the weeds of voting procedures because it’s pretty obvious to me that anyone who has their mind set to it can work around them although certainly not always successfully, granted! Your mind is not open to there being concerted effort to throw an election. I get that so there’s no point in debating with you.
Besides I don’t really know the specifics of everything anyway. I just know that I have seen multiple election problems in my city, not just that last court case.
I remember the big effort years and years ago to keep the polls open past standard closing time for black folks because for some reason they couldn’t get there in time, and I don’t remember why. I just remember getting a recorded call from Jesse Jackson saying “get your souls to the polls “after 7 o’clock, normal closing time. That was an election day shenanigan.
For my state, mass mailing of ballots before there is strong infrastructure to address issues and problems seems like an invitation to cheat.
My mind is very set to the idea of people attempting to throw an election. It seems we learn more every day about how the republicans attempted to do just that a year ago. I mean seriously, Republican parties in multiple states sending forgeries of fraudulent elector lists to the National archives? The president planning to throw the electoral college certification process in chaos with the goal of overturning the will of the voters? It boggles the mind that one of our major political parties wants to turn this country into a sad banana republic.
iris lilies
1-17-22, 7:51pm
My mind is very set to the idea of people attempting to throw an election. It seems we learn more every day about how the republicans attempted to do just that a year ago. I mean seriously, Republican parties in multiple states sending forgeries of fraudulent elector lists to the National archives? The president planning to throw the electoral college certification process in chaos with the goal of overturning the will of the voters? It boggles the mind that one of our major political parties wants to turn this country into a sad banana republic.
See, election protections are important regardless of the “side!”
See, election protections are important regardless of the “side!”
The only question is whether the Republican ‘protections’ are actually protecting elections or protecting Republican efforts to subvert them. Given the Republican efforts to replace Secretaries of State at the state level I’d suspect the latter.
There’s never an “only question”. It’s never that simple. You can pound the podium and insist anyone who stands between you and your agenda are Jefferson Davis, Bull Connor, George Wallace or some other Democrat, but it really isn’t that stark a choice. I think most people realize that, so it won’t get only-question thinkers much political support unless they’re scared of you.
The verified cases of voter fraud, countrywide, in the 2020 election were a couple hundred. If there were more one would think that republicans surely would have found them by now. Their ‘solution’ is in search of a problem. The only question is what problem do they see. Given their actions surrounding 2020 a reasonable person could come to the conclusion that their problem is that their are too many democratic voters in cities in swing states.
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