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Yppej

1-22-22, 8:07am

From the lips of El Salvador to the ears of the world (I hope):

https://www-centralamerica-com.cdn.ampproject.org/c/s/www.centralamerica.com/living/wellness/el-salvador-promotes-fitness-to-fight-covid/?amp=1

early morning

1-22-22, 10:36am

So I take it you're going to pack up those elastic waist pants and lose weight?

Yppej

1-22-22, 10:41am

So I take it you're going to pack up those elastic waist pants and lose weight?

I'm not going to punish myself with uncomfortable clothes - punitive approaches don't work. But I will walk five times this week - my most in a long time - and volunteered for over an hour's worth of physical labor in the warehouse yesterday, so I'm working on it.

Encouragement by American public health officials and media would be nice too. Right now I am going it alone.

iris lilies

1-22-22, 11:20am

I'm not going to punish myself with uncomfortable clothes - punitive approaches don't work. But I will walk five times this week - my most in a long time - and volunteered for over an hour's worth of physical labor in the warehouse yesterday, so I'm working on it.

Encouragement by American public health officials and media would be nice too. Right now I am going it alone.

Oh for god sake Jeppy, you and Joe Rogan. You two are the team against the world of Covid, The only two people in the world promoting good health practices to combat Covid. Such rebels! Yeah, sure.

Tybee

1-22-22, 11:56am

happystuff

1-22-22, 12:02pm

I am also trying to lose the 10 pounds I have gained since the pandemic started. Will be walking on my cloudwalker in the living room, since it's 14 below zero right now. In the middle of the damned day.

If I wanted to get serious about losing weight and having better mental health, I'd bail on living here, I think.

I have to admit that I am down about 30 pounds since the start of covid, but I have to attribute that to the physically demanding jobs I've had to take. Hate the jobs, but like the weight loss.

Tybee

1-22-22, 1:01pm

Good for you! That is awesome, happystuff.

Yppej

1-22-22, 1:15pm

Oh for god sake Jeppy, you and Joe Rogan. You two are the team against the world of Covid, The only two people in the world promoting good health practices to combat Covid. Such rebels! Yeah, sure.

Joe Rogan does not work for the El Salvador Health Ministry, nor do I. Though it would be nice to be someplace tropical right now.

iris lilies

1-22-22, 1:39pm

Joe Rogan does not work for the El Salvador Health Ministry, nor do I. Though it would be nice to be someplace tropical right now.
Joe has been ringing the bell “why isn’t the government promoting weight loss? Vitamins!? Exercising and moving your body exclamation?? “For at least a year.

Yppej

1-22-22, 2:36pm

Joe has been ringing the bell “why isn’t the government promoting weight loss? Vitamins!? Exercising and moving your body exclamation?? “For at least a year.

Well good for him. Michelle Obama did this when she was First Lady. You don't see a lot of it though.

JaneV2.0

1-22-22, 7:09pm

I've never listened to Joe Rogan--nothing I've heard about him inclined me to. My impression of him is that he put the "bro" in broadcasting.

iris lilies

1-22-22, 7:53pm

I've never listened to Joe Rogan--nothing I've heard about him inclined me to. My impression of him is that he put the "bro" in broadcasting.
I enjoy him but he gets repetitious and in recent years he’s far less open minded than he used to be. His hobby horses are bears, MMA fighting, fat people, physical work outs, comics and Bro culture, evils of social media! And very lately since CNN lied about him he’s all over mainstream media. Ironic since he is now mainstream media himself and has more listeners than major networks. So probably Joe has jumped the shark.

If you can tune out his soliloquies about the above, he has several good guests and does a decent job at interviewing them. He’s kind of an Everyman interviewer.

ApatheticNoMore

1-22-22, 8:09pm

I think healthy diet and lifestyle are a lifelong thing though, learning what foods agree with one, maybe what exercises one likes etc.. So a practice, not a quick fix. And I've been at it since my very early 20s (not dieting, maybe here and there but I mean trying to eat healthy). But if people are just going to be obsessed with people's appearances and whether they have some extra weight, well hard pass on that. And even as a practice, I mean people with some advantages, whether people working 3 jobs (I can't imagine a more miserable existence :)) are eating McDonalds, would be beyond my ability to comment on. But covid skews that way.

And I've never been convinced that the evidence for vitamins and covid was that strong. But take vitamin D and K2. Melatonin was supposed to help, that's plausible since it seems to with other viruses, but shrug.

JaneV2.0

1-22-22, 8:22pm

It's my experience that 90% of the people bragging about their healthy weight and their exercise routines and their pristine diets have never struggled with weight or energy/metabolism issues in their lives. So I just tune them out. I'm hoping they get assigned a more challenging body in the next life...:moon:

Any one of his hobby horses (bears? Probably not what I'm thinking...) would have me tuning out.

jp1

1-22-22, 9:33pm

SO’s family has convinced me that there’s more to weight than just eating and exercise. They are all basically couch potatoes with not particularly healthy diets but SO and 2 siblings struggle with weight and 2 other siblings never have. And his two nephews (brothers) one is skinny and the other round. Basically half the family takes after his mom (lifelong skinny) and half after his dad (lifelong obese). There is no middle ground. The American diet and activity levels surely don’t help but some people just seem to be way more predisposed towards obesity.

Tradd

1-22-22, 10:27pm

I’ve pretty much quit worrying about my weight and just focus on getting stronger. Necessary for the diving I do. At least 30 minutes five times a week on an indoor bike, along with dumbbell squats and some other moderate weight training.

Yppej

1-23-22, 8:21am

Yes, weight loss takes time - we are now in year 3 of the pandemic. Since covid stores itself in fat cells and infects tissue surrounding them, public health led free weight loss programs could have saved lives - many more than people with any random cloth or other face covering hanging under their nose, taking it off to talk on their cell phone or eat, etc.

Yes, there is a genetic component to weight - but our ancestors whose genes we have didn't weigh what we do. There is a growing obesity epidemic. Public policy to subsidize healthy foods rather than processed agribusiness products would help, but lobbyists stop that.

So government in many ways has made the pandemic worse, this being just one of them.

jp1

1-23-22, 8:59am

I can only imagine the howls about tyranny by republicans if the government started encouraging weight loss. Even deaf people would be able to hear them.

Yppej

1-23-22, 9:06am

I can only imagine the howls about tyranny by republicans if the government started encouraging weight loss. Even deaf people would be able to hear them.

I think you are wrong. The only pushback I recall Michelle Obama getting was one Republican called her fat, not that exact word but something similar.

People generally do not oppose voluntary programs. They oppose mandates.

jp1

1-23-22, 9:46am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/19/florida-raul-pino-vaccinated-leave-desantis/

Actually they don’t seem to like encouragement either.

Yppej

1-23-22, 9:51am

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/01/19/florida-raul-pino-vaccinated-leave-desantis/

Actually they don’t seem to like encouragement either.

Do you think the results would have been better if people were not called irresponsible and pathetic?

How often in your own life have you found shaming them to be a good method of dealing with employees or people in general?

jp1

1-23-22, 10:15am

I suppose coddling them like the pathetic babies that they are might have been more effective. But they work for the damn health department. Honestly the idiots really ought to be encouraged to find a different career if they can’t be bothered to get vaxxed during a pandemic.

herbgeek

1-23-22, 10:30am

How often in your own life have you found shaming them to be a good method of dealing with employees or people in general?

I find that shaming rarely results in a positive direction, which is why I'm puzzled that you continue to try to shame another poster who has admitted to neurological issues around language processing and act as the self-appointed grammar police just to be petty and vindictive.

Yppej

1-23-22, 10:37am

I find that shaming rarely results in a positive direction, which is why I'm puzzled that you continue to try to shame another poster who has admitted to neurological issues around language processing and act as the self-appointed grammar police just to be petty and vindictive.

She started with me. That's why.

happystuff

1-23-22, 12:23pm

rosarugosa

1-23-22, 1:26pm

4178

Yppej

1-23-22, 1:33pm

4178

Reminds me of when people mocked Trump for mispronouncing a book of the Bible.

happystuff

1-23-22, 1:38pm

4178

LOL

ApatheticNoMore

1-23-22, 2:31pm

Yes, there is a genetic component to weight - but our ancestors whose genes we have didn't weigh what we do.

yea I don't believe just that "it's genetic", I mean sure there is a genetic component that means some people would have to be infinitely more controlling of their eating etc. to have the same weight as others. But it's more I suspect what is going on is that if people were overweight, and I think especially if they were overweight as kids or teenagers, they are never likely to find it easy to manage their weight. And it's really pointless to think if only they tried as hard they could easily be as thin as anyone who wasn't. And for that what people weighed for million of years is completely irrelevant.

Public policy to subsidize healthy foods rather than processed agribusiness products would help, but lobbyists stop that.

sure it would help. I mean look there probably are public service announcements on eating 5 vegetables a day, get exercise whatever. I mean there used to be. But I don't consume a lot of media like t.v. and so on, so I'm probably not the best one to ask and how much of this there is presently. Have been billboards too. So the government probably already does some of whatever you are asking them to do. But what you probably want them to do is blame people who get covid for being overweight or something. Never even mind that we have no idea the extent this is even true for more murky things like long covid, which is by definition people who survive their covid.

But the government is not encouraging me enough. Uh, I'm liberal, and I don't expect the government to be everyone's life coach, that's far beyond what would even occur to me. Not that I oppose public service ads or anything.

Yppej

1-23-22, 2:39pm

yea I don't believe just that "it's genetic", I mean sure there is a genetic component that means some people would have to be infinitely more controlling of their eating etc. to have the same weight as others. But it's more I suspect what is going on is that if people were overweight, and I think especially if they were overweight as kids or teenagers, they are never likely to find it easy to manage their weight. And it's really pointless to think if only they tried as hard they could easily be as thin as anyone who wasn't. And for that what people weighed for million of years is completely irrelevant.

sure it would help. I mean look there probably are public service announcements on eating 5 vegetables a day, get exercise whatever. I mean there used to be. But I don't consume a lot of media like t.v. and so on, so I'm probably not the best one to ask and how much of this there is presently. Have been billboards too. So the government probably already does some of whatever you are asking them to do.

I would like free weight loss support groups. Not everyone can or will pay for nutritional counseling, etc. This should be done with ARPA funds and be for the duration of the pandemic.

happystuff

1-23-22, 3:40pm

yea I don't believe just that "it's genetic", I mean sure there is a genetic component that means some people would have to be infinitely more controlling of their eating etc. to have the same weight as others.

There are legitimate medical conditions as well as medications that effect weight in many individuals (both over weight and/or under weight). I used to not believe that until karma hit and I became one of them.