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When an artist who has sold his catalog demands to be removed from a streaming service because he objects to someone else on that service, does it actually cost him anything? Wouldn’t the owner of the rights to that music be the relevant party to whatever contract existed?
Is this just performative, or does the artist retain any power over what people do with his music?
happystuff
1-30-22, 12:54pm
When an artist who has sold his catalog demands to be removed from a streaming service because he objects to someone else on that service, does it actually cost him anything? Wouldn’t the owner of the rights to that music be the relevant party to whatever contract existed?
Is this just performative, or does the artist retain any power over what people do with his music?
My initial thought on this would be that it would depend on the terms of the sale. However, once sold, I'm thinking the original owner has relinquished any say over what they no longer own.
I may not be completely up to speed on this but I believe Neil Young sold just 50% of his catalog of songs last year. I'm not sure if that means he only now collects royalties on half of his songs or if he now only collects 50% of the royalties generated by all his songs. I'm assuming the latter and am curious about the other owner's reaction to his Spotify request.
I saw yesterday that he's said that he doesn't want to censor anyone, but I'm having trouble reconciling that with his demands.
iris lilies
1-30-22, 2:21pm
I don’t know, but I like Joe Rogan. While I think he has become a bit of a caraciture of himself and the OG Rogan was a better podcaster, if people would actually listen to his show, they will find that his approach to Covid is nuanced. He actually promotes Covid vaccine. But that is impossible for any watcher of CNN to believe.
I don’t know, but I like Joe Rogan. While I think he has become a bit of a caraciture of himself and the OG Rogan was a better podcaster, if people would actually listen to his show, they will find that his approach to Covid is nuanced. He actually promotes Covid vaccine. But that is impossible for any watcher of CNN to believe.
I don’t listen religiously, but I do like him when he’s got a guest I’m interested in. I don’t care much about cage fighting or nutrition/exercise fads, but he does sometimes interview some really interesting guests and asks some good questions. I will admit I was surprised to learn that someone would pay $100 million to run his podcast.
frugal-one
1-30-22, 4:33pm
I don’t know, but I like Joe Rogan. While I think he has become a bit of a caraciture of himself and the OG Rogan was a better podcaster, if people would actually listen to his show, they will find that his approach to Covid is nuanced. He actually promotes Covid vaccine. But that is impossible for any watcher of CNN to believe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/arts/music/spotify-neil-young-joe-rogan.html
Evidently JR spews misinformation as well.
iris lilies
1-30-22, 4:41pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/arts/music/spotify-neil-young-joe-rogan.html
Evidently JR spews misinformation as well.
Or, you could read my words and actually listen to several broadcasts of Joe Rogan to find his approach is nuanced. Well, since he came under attack by CNN, he’s pretty much hitting back with one note, tho. His recent podcasts about .covid are not nuanced. Joe Rogan in 2020 and early 2021— Says many things about Covid that even YOU would agree with.
I think the CDC and every health office is “spewing mis-information” as well, not deliberately of course, but it comes with the territory of representing scientific findings to the general public and making broad, one-size-fits-all recommendations,
frugal-one
1-31-22, 7:03am
You also liked Rush Limbaugh…. enough said.
You also liked Rush Limbaugh…. enough said.
That strikes me as a fairly unserious criterion for making final judgments. Probably saves a lot of time and thinking, though.
iris lilies
1-31-22, 1:35pm
That strikes me as a fairly unserious criterion for making final judgments. Probably saves a lot of time and thinking, though.
Hitler, Rush—it’s all the same thing. Just shout those names and discussion may end with the shouter the winner.
frugal-one
1-31-22, 4:17pm
whack jobs ..both…
whack jobs ..both…
I read an article this morning about the value of brevity when trying to convince someone of your viewpoint, though I think you may have taken the concept to an extreme.;)
He joined the California to Austin train and bought himself a mega-mansion:
https://www.fancypantshomes.com/celebrity-homes/joe-rogan-house-in-austin-texas/
Blecchh!!
ApatheticNoMore
1-31-22, 4:47pm
He joined the California to Austin train and bought himself a mega-mansion
yea you can have him :) Really arrogant to think he should have any say in CA policy more than anyone else just because he's rich. Especially as his opinions are not what polls support here with regard to covid measures. So really it's an unpopular take.
I haven't listened to Rogan, but I don't really see what the big deal about interviewing interesting people is, yea so does Andrew Sullivan, Ezra Klein, random nobodies trying to have a podcast, etc. (as for random near nobodies - some of them are dumb and silly, others very informed etc.). But why would anyone bother with the random nobodies? Well even the silly ones who are bad at their jobs (podcasting that is), can be endured if the guest is good and has something to say and they let them talk. That's really all.
iris lilies
1-31-22, 5:04pm
He joined the California to Austin train and bought himself a mega-mansion:
https://www.fancypantshomes.com/celebrity-homes/joe-rogan-house-in-austin-texas/
Blecchh!!
Yes he did. He really likes Austin and texas, and shxts on Cali often. Mainly it’s the homelessness problem I’ve heard him complain about.
ApatheticNoMore
1-31-22, 5:08pm
How long until homelessness increases in Austin if it hasn't already. Yes it's about housing availability, but also housing (and more relevantly rental) prices. There will be more homelessness if they keep going up. And didn't Newsom just eliminate single family zoning in a frankly radical bid to increase housing supply.
iris lilies
1-31-22, 5:11pm
How long until homelessness increases i Austin if it hasn't already. Yes it's about housing availability, but also housing (and more relevantly rental) prices. There will be more homelessness if they keep going up.
i dunno, Rogan had the !ayor of Austin on his show to talk about how Austin handled its admittedly less serious homelessness problem.
But no, it is not all about affordable housing, not by a long shot.
Hitler, Rush—it’s all the same thing. Just shout those names and discussion may end with the shouter the winner.
Fox! News! Talking! Points!
ApatheticNoMore
1-31-22, 5:21pm
But no, it is not all about affordable housing, not by a long shot.
not all, but are things like mental health and drug abuse problems unusually concentrated in say California? I know someone might want to claim that, but really no way that seems plausible. There may be insufficient treatment resources, maybe. Maybe there are better mental health and substance abuse treatment resources elsewhere. I don't think we do the best job possible, there are some very nitty gritty details where I know things are being failed massively, but I also things it's a massively huge job. But to argue prices and availability (and of course these are linked), have nothing to do with anything is to argue against supply and demand kind of. So it's kind of an extraordinary claim. I mean there are people making 6 figures living in their car in the bay area, so cases like that are obviously about costs. But much less extreme cases on much more modest incomes can be too, the cost can push people over the edge. And I think it's widely acknowledged that housing construction has not kept up with population growth.
Utah had a housing first program for awhile, just give the homeless housing. But what if there are a million homeless? The task becomes huge. So I do think there are scalability issues with something that may work with a small manageable homeless population just becomes daunting.
Homelessness in Austin is very bad but nowhere near where Mr Rogan bought his house. I suppose if he goes downtown it might get to him. The city is throwing millions at the problem part of which will be paid through bonds for affordable housing. All the new money can afford it though.
ApatheticNoMore
1-31-22, 5:53pm
Homelessness in Austin is very bad but nowhere near where Mr Rogan bought his house.
Yea there are places you can largely if not entirely avoid homeless in CA too.
The city is throwing millions at the problem part of which will be paid through bonds for affordable housing. All the new money can afford it though.
Yea not all cities in CA have that kind of money, most don't, the state maybe does. One issue is suppose you have the best homeless resources in the world? How do you prevent all the homeless in the country from deciding to move there because it's a homeless paradise? I kind of see homelessness as kind of a national problem, that manifests in various cities (all of them to a degree and also most countries have homeless it turns out as well). High housing prices don't help as they drive locals to homelessness and some of them are just the easy fell on hard times cases. But state borders are wide open, homeless could decide to live wherever, but does anywhere really want more homeless.
To be honest, I have never listened to Rogan and have no interest in doing so. I guess one could say he is an opportunist as are the many flocking to Texas. Austin is probably the closest thing to what he left behind - he just got more house for the money.
frugal-one
1-31-22, 6:51pm
I read an article this morning about the value of brevity when trying to convince someone of your viewpoint, though I think you may have taken the concept to an extreme.;)
Glad it works for you!✌️
I see Whoopi Goldberg got herself suspended from “The View” for saying the Holocaust was “not about race”, but man’s inhumanity to man.
I’ve only seen “The View” once (my wife thought it would be funny to see my reaction to them interviewing Mrs. Clinton), but it struck me as a pretty woke, dumb show. I was surprised, in fact, to learn it was part of a News Division. I was also surprised to see how many people lined up to tell us how damaged they were by a foolish, historically illiterate remark.
iris lilies
2-2-22, 10:24am
I see Whoopi Goldberg got herself suspended from “The View” for saying the Holocaust was “not about race”, but man’s inhumanity to man.
I’ve only seen “The View” once (my wife thought it would be funny to see my reaction to them interviewing Mrs. Clinton), but it struck me as a pretty woke, dumb show. I was surprised, in fact, to learn it was part of a News Division. I was also surprised to see how many people lined up to tell us how damaged they were by a foolish, historically illiterate remark.
Whoopi was funny. She said the dumb thing on The View, then apologized, then went on The Late Show to say it again and elaborate on her logic. The Nazis were wrong, according to Whoopi. Hunh, no kidding! But not in the way she means.
Well Whoopi, welcome to YOUR world.
I recall in Whoopi's early career she claimed Jewish heritage and referred to herself as a Jewish Princess, it seems to me she should be a little more grounded in Jewish history.
That aside though I'm a little disappointed she was suspended from that silly show. Our society has become much too eager to punish people for stupid comments. I think that's dangerous.
iris lilies
2-2-22, 11:54am
I recall in Whoopi's early career she claimed Jewish heritage and referred to herself as a Jewish Princess, it seems to me she should be a little more grounded in Jewish history.
That aside though I'm a little disappointed she was suspended from that silly show. Our society has become much too eager to punish people for stupid comments. I think that's dangerous.
Yes I remember Whoopi being Jewish there for a while.
It is really too bad, all of this silly canceling.
India Aire is making big noise about jumping off Spotify due to racist Joe Rogan. It is hilarious that all of the youngsters reading a specific thread of Reddit are saying “Who dat.” So she accomplished mission, getting her name in front of people.
I recall in Whoopi's early career she claimed Jewish heritage and referred to herself as a Jewish Princess, it seems to me she should be a little more grounded in Jewish history.
That aside though I'm a little disappointed she was suspended from that silly show. Our society has become much too eager to punish people for stupid comments. I think that's dangerous.
I don’t know about dumb so much a politically dumb. There seems to be no shortage of stupidity in our culture. When the same person touted Jill Biden for Surgeon General, nobody considered that a punishable offense.
I am swinging away from my liberal roots in a certain sense--poisoned by this culture. I saw this picture on Facebook. Definitely an eye-roller.
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iris lilies
2-2-22, 8:30pm
I am swinging away from my liberal roots in a certain sense--poisoned by this culture. I saw this picture on Facebook. Definitely an eye-roller.
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i cant read this
i cant read this
It's a rather extensive list of resources for anyone negatively affected by free speech events on campus.
It's a rather extensive list of resources for anyone negatively affected by free speech events on campus.
What sort of negative effects are they envisioning?
I mean, if I got herded into a "free speech zone" behind a razor-wire fence far from campus, sure, I'd like to complain to Management, but.... I mean.... well, aren't universities supposed to be about ideas?
What sort of negative effects are they envisioning?
I have no idea.
In case others can't read it I've taken the liberty of enlarging it a bit.
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I have no idea.
Maybe something like the local chapter of Young Nazis yelling anti-semitic slurs at passing students?
This happened at my daughter's college - her roommate got verbally attacked for looking Jewish. She didn't report it to some campus agency though, she took more direct action. She works for the CIA now. Oh, sorry, "the State Department".
Teacher Terry
2-3-22, 3:38am
This is beyond ridiculous!
“Vice President for Inclusive Excellence” sounds like just the thing any modern snowflake hatchery would need.
Who better to deal with crises such as the rampant “white supremacy, coloniality and perfectionism” in dangerous groups like Princeton University Ballet? Or to provide the beleaguered students at Georgetown Law a place to cry?
ApatheticNoMore
2-3-22, 1:53pm
Well I take free speech as code for controversial potentially offensive stuff. But noone has to attend these. But nor do universities especially public universities have to allow everyone a platform (and if they do, they can insist it be a debate if they want). I'd probably draw the line at outright falsehoods, really no university has to platform that, but most things probably aren't, pure value judgments yea neither true or false, could be true but inadequate research done or noone really knows, so purely some hypothesis, yea interesting, who the heck knows.
On the other hand, if I were paying my money to go to Princeton, and someone was screaming at me for looking Jewish, I would want some institutional action, too. I would want them to stand up and say, this is wrong. I would want a peaceful place to go to college.
Maybe something like the local chapter of Young Nazis yelling anti-semitic slurs at passing students?
This happened at my daughter's college - her roommate got verbally attacked for looking Jewish. She didn't report it to some campus agency though, she took more direct action. She works for the CIA now. Oh, sorry, "the State Department".
Back in the seventies, I used to get verbally attacked for wearing an ROTC uniform. It never occurred to me to whine or inform about it. Although I suspect that even today military service is not something that would be included in “inclusivity”.
ApatheticNoMore
2-3-22, 3:35pm
Yea good point, besides outright falsehoods, hate speech is a good place to draw the line.
I don't think anyone "pays their money" to go to anywhere but maybe the community college (which maybe a high school job can pay for), they are exceptional and get a scholarship, they pay the parents money, or they take out debt, which they will one day owe, but probably don't really understand.
On the other hand, if I were paying my money to go to Princeton, and someone was screaming at me for looking Jewish, I would want some institutional action, too. I would want them to stand up and say, this is wrong. I would want a peaceful place to go to college.
I was actually more impressed that the roommate solved the problem on her own, quite elegantly, and others filmed it for education and entertainment.
Back in the seventies, I used to get verbally attacked for wearing an ROTC uniform. It never occurred to me to whine or inform about it. Although I suspect that even today military service is not something that would be included in “inclusivity”.
I can't speak to what inclusivity means on college campuses these days since I haven't spent any significant time on one in almost 32 years, but at my previous job at mega-corp one of the most respected employee resource groups, who put together 3 or 4 well attended events for all interested employees every year, was the Veterans ERG.
I see Mr Young is now promoting a boycott of four large banks who do business with fossil fuel companies. Having acquired a tidy fortune touring and sell vinyl and plastic recordings, he now assumes a position of moral authority. Although in fairness, he can be said to have achieved fossil status.
iris lilies
2-9-22, 11:21am
I see Mr Young is now promoting a boycott of four large banks who do business with fossil fuel companies. Having acquired a tidy fortune touring and sell vinyl and plastic recordings, he now assumes a position of moral authority. Although in fairness, he can be said to have achieved fossil status.
who is Mr Young?
who is Mr Young?
Mr Neil Young, a musician popular in the days before Nixon resigned.
I was listening to NPR yesterday do a story about the current state of the music business. Because of the structure of the music business, where new and old songs earn the same income from streaming, and new songs carry both costs to produce them and the risk that they won't be liked, the people who invest in music are focused more on just buying up tired old music rights because they can make a guaranteed profit from it, leaving less and less money to be invested in the production of new music. If this follows through to its logical conclusion every month will be as awful as december, with just the same blah music getting played over and over and over for forever. (when was the last time any of us heard a new christmas song?) All of that to say, Mr. Young's music is probably as popular as it ever was.
All of that to say, Mr. Young's music is probably as popular as it ever was.I tend to agree with that, at least among we old codgers. I can be taken back to a place and time listening to Old Man or The Needle And The Damage Done or Heart Of Gold or Southern Man. They and many others all spoke to the 70's zeitgeist and I wonder if younger folks can feel it the way I can?
That said, I'm not in favor of artists of any stripe using their influence to push an agenda.
I still get a little pleasure from his old songs. Harvest Moon might be a favorite. I support his personal freedom to do what ever he wants with his fame and money as long as it's legal. It seems like rich people in general have some favorite political or social causes they support with their wealth and influence. I'm not sure why being a musician is any different than a software developer or real estate magnate in that sense.
Heart of Gold is “our” song, DH and I. Remember dancing to it SO MANY years ago!
All of that to say, Mr. Young's music is probably as popular as it ever was.
As long as his audience can afford hearing aids, he and the people he sold half his body of work to, should be OK.
ToomuchStuff
2-12-22, 8:31pm
I tend to agree with that, at least among we old codgers. I can be taken back to a place and time listening to Old Man or The Needle And The Damage Done or Heart Of Gold or Southern Man. They and many others all spoke to the 70's zeitgeist and I wonder if younger folks can feel it the way I can?
That said, I'm not in favor of artists of any stripe using their influence to push an agenda.
While I laughed when he heard about this, I laughed thinking about "
Southern man, better keep your head.
Don't forget what your good book said."
and, calm down Neil and do unto others as they would do to you, turn the other cheek.
As for your last statement, don't they push an agenda, anytime they either let a politician use their music, or not?
I see CNN has taken up the Rogan crusade. An “analysis” accused him of unleashing the forces of genocide and insurrection.
I remember when CNN was the reasonable choice between Fox and MSNBC.
ApatheticNoMore
2-13-22, 2:44pm
CNN has always been warmongering garbage, like I often say worst station ever even if I should say Fox.
But the accusation of Rogan is that he was spreading anti-vaccine misinformation, and anti-vaccine information gets people killed, very concrete, not some vague "genocide". That's almost noone's position. But I don't listen to Rogan.
iris lilies
2-13-22, 3:07pm
I see CNN has taken up the Rogan crusade. An “analysis” accused him of unleashing the forces of genocide and insurrection.
I remember when CNN was the reasonable choice between Fox and MSNBC.
well, Joe started it. Haha. Not exactly, But when Joe became “CNN bad “all Rogan all the time, it became very tiresome. Joe sure has been good for CNN ratings though!
well, Joe started it. Haha. Not exactly, But when Joe became “CNN bad “all Rogan all the time, it became very tiresome. Joe sure has been good for CNN ratings though!
They have joined the transition from Joe the misinformer to Joe the racist. Not the greatest way out of a ratings slump, but he’ll have to do until Russia invades the Ukraine again.
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