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LDAHL
2-12-22, 2:43pm
Someone pointed me to a piece on the NPR site about how we need to agonize over what color to choose for our emojis because of all the complex racial associations and stuff. People like me who just go with the default are failing to acknowledge our pigment privilege.

I say if yellow is good enough for Homer Simpson then it’s good enough for me.

bae
2-12-22, 2:44pm
ASCII emojis are the way. :-)

razz
2-12-22, 2:53pm
ASCII emojis are the way. :-)

I tried to search for what that means and found this https://emoticoncentral.com/

Alan
2-12-22, 3:03pm
I read a story about this a few days ago. The brunt of the story dealt with how if you're a white person and you use the yellow emoji, you're denying your privilege. If you use the emoji's which appear caucasian, you're showing your privilege and if you use an emoji which is more darkly pigmented, you're mocking those less privileged than you.

I'm guessing this will leave those who get their social cues from NPR in a bit of a quandary.

bae
2-12-22, 3:18pm
Isn't using emojis just cultural appropriation? 絵文字 ?

razz
2-12-22, 4:23pm
Wouldn't simple pen and ink emojis solve the problem of interpretation or does every colour now have a negative connotation? I am coming to the conclusion that if there is any way to create controversy to inflame the masses, the internet provides an opportunity.

ToomuchStuff
2-12-22, 5:53pm
I didn't know you could change colors of the emojis? Maybe I am more technically challenged then I thought.


Isn't using emojis just cultural appropriation? 絵文字 ?


Yes, but some people walk like Egyptians, and we are returning to hieroglyphs.

happystuff
2-12-22, 10:05pm
Removed because did not contribute to the topic of conversation. My apologies.

Tradd
2-12-22, 10:53pm
I didn't know you could change colors of the emojis? Maybe I am more technically challenged then I thought.

Just do a long press when you choose an emoji. The different color choices will pop up.

LDAHL
2-13-22, 2:27pm
Wouldn't simple pen and ink emojis solve the problem of interpretation or does every colour now have a negative connotation? I am coming to the conclusion that if there is any way to create controversy to inflame the masses, the internet provides an opportunity.

In fairness, I don’t see NPR as an outlet for the masses. I see it more as an outlet for wealthy white liberal ladies to have something to talk about over smoothies after yoga class. Or maybe for Vice Presidents for Inclusive Diversity to get the inspiration to carry on.

I’m not sure there is such a thing as mass culture anymore. Just a lot of mutually incomprehensible little niche cultures banging against each other in a sort of Brownian motion.

KayLR
2-13-22, 2:33pm
"I see it more as an outlet for wealthy white liberal ladies to have something to talk about over smoothies after yoga class."

So you and your friend were out for smoothies after yoga when she pointed out this article to you??

LDAHL
2-13-22, 2:57pm
"I see it more as an outlet for wealthy white liberal ladies to have something to talk about over smoothies after yoga class."

So you and your friend were out for smoothies after yoga when she pointed out this article to you??

It was appletinis after spin class!

pinkytoe
2-13-22, 3:13pm
I am coming to the conclusion that if there is any way to create controversy to inflame the masses, the internet provides an opportunity.
Media of any kind with "news" to enrage the niches and the masses. I had a wokey moment the other day when I showed the realtor our 1960s "flesh-tone" bathtub and realized that might no longer be an acceptable term.

boss mare
2-13-22, 4:03pm
In fairness, I don’t see NPR as an outlet for the masses. I see it more as an outlet for wealthy white liberal ladies to have something to talk about over smoothies after yoga class. Or maybe for Vice Presidents for Inclusive Diversity to get the inspiration to carry on.

I’m not sure there is such a thing as mass culture anymore. Just a lot of mutually incomprehensible little niche cultures banging against each other in a sort of Brownian motion.


So much stereotyping there. I am not wealthy; I have never taken a yoga class. And unless a milkshake once in a blue moon counts as a smoothie. I clean up after horses. Yes, I do have 35+ years in the dental field. But since I live in an area where there is manufactured outrage and no self-preservation or caring for others in one's community, I have quit for the time being. I am keeping up with my CE and licensing, hoping that I can convince my husband to a move. In the meantime, I have returned back to my job of my teenaged and early twenties. With NPR blaring loudly in the barns

boss mare
2-13-22, 4:23pm
Media of any kind with "news" to enrage the niches and the masses. I had a wokey moment the other day when I showed the realtor our 1960s "flesh-tone" bathtub and realized that might no longer be an acceptable term.

Don't dismiss that flesh toned tub. There is a whole huge group of us that appreciate MCM

JaneV2.0
2-13-22, 4:26pm
Don't dismiss that flesh toned tub. There is a whole huge group of us that appreciate MCM

I have one. And a sink! (But you'll have to buy Chez Decay to get them.)

rosarugosa
2-13-22, 5:15pm
In fairness, I don’t see NPR as an outlet for the masses. I see it more as an outlet for wealthy white liberal ladies to have something to talk about over smoothies after yoga class. Or maybe for Vice Presidents for Inclusive Diversity to get the inspiration to carry on.

I’m not sure there is such a thing as mass culture anymore. Just a lot of mutually incomprehensible little niche cultures banging against each other in a sort of Brownian motion.

I'm not exactly wealthy, I do yoga via zoom for free from my library, and I mostly drink boxed Cabernet, so that might be why I first heard about emoji inclusiveness from LDAHL. :)

rosarugosa
2-13-22, 5:18pm
So much stereotyping there. I am not wealthy; I have never taken a yoga class. And unless a milkshake once in a blue moon counts as a smoothie. I clean up after horses. Yes, I do have 35+ years in the dental field. But since I live in an area where there is manufactured outrage and no self-preservation or caring for others in one's community, I have quit for the time being. I am keeping up with my CE and licensing, hoping that I can convince my husband to a move. In the meantime, I have returned back to my job of my teenaged and early twenties. With NPR blaring loudly in the barns

This reminds me of when my sister had passed on her bullet blender to my DH, who uses it every day to make "smoothies." They were talking about it one time, and he was telling her how he made them, and she exclaimed, "Those aren't smoothies, those are frappes! Milk and ice cream is not a smoothie!"

LDAHL
2-13-22, 5:27pm
So much stereotyping there. I am not wealthy; I have never taken a yoga class. And unless a milkshake once in a blue moon counts as a smoothie. I clean up after horses. Yes, I do have 35+ years in the dental field. But since I live in an area where there is manufactured outrage and no self-preservation or caring for others in one's community, I have quit for the time being. I am keeping up with my CE and licensing, hoping that I can convince my husband to a move. In the meantime, I have returned back to my job of my teenaged and early twenties. With NPR blaring loudly in the barns

What do you expect from a guy who uses default emojis? I don’t even consider positions on Covid to be a matter of cultural affiliation.

boss mare
2-14-22, 1:15pm
What do you expect from a guy who uses default emojis? I don’t even consider positions on Covid to be a matter of cultural affiliation.

I am so sorry that you can't see the forest through trees. Yes, public health care is culture.

ApatheticNoMore
2-14-22, 1:19pm
I'm not exactly wealthy, I do yoga via zoom for free from my library, and I mostly drink boxed Cabernet, so that might be why I first heard about emoji inclusiveness from LDAHL.

really though you don't have to be rich to go to go to yoga classes or drink smoothies. A bit of disposable income sure.

razz
2-14-22, 1:22pm
Many people do their exercise and yoga class online so costing zilch, FYI.

boss mare
2-14-22, 2:11pm
I have one. And a sink! (But you'll have to buy Chez Decay to get them.)

OMG!!!! I would sell my soul to move back up your way and have an MCM vibe. Not trying to out your location. But 60-0-1 in Redmond would be my dream come true. The original 60-0-1 plan was to be something to everyone. You have horses? here's your barn and Bridle Trails State Park... You want to swim? Here your swimming pool. Tennis? Here's your court... Unfortunately, that's not what happened

bae
2-14-22, 2:25pm
really though you don't have to be rich to go to go to yoga classes or drink smoothies. A bit of disposable income sure.

https://aninjusticemag.com/westernization-and-cultural-appropriation-in-yoga-40e91944b292

ApatheticNoMore
2-14-22, 2:42pm
Many people do their exercise and yoga class online so costing zilch, FYI.

yea and it's inferior if you are not very kinetic to begin with, and you need a lot of guidance to actually get the positions right. Some people are just natural athletes I guess, but I'm not, so I'd rather learn it form a class first and THEN do it at home. But there's a pandemic and so on, so lots of in person stuff is not so desirable these days. I've gone to yoga classes at times before, and never been "rich" per se. Mostly I have a gym membership and do weights these days though.

JaneV2.0
2-14-22, 2:53pm
OMG!!!! I would sell my soul to move back up your way and have an MCM vibe. Not trying to out your location. But 60-0-1 in Redmond would be my dream come true. The original 60-0-1 plan was to be something to everyone. You have horses? here's your barn and Bridle Trails State Park... You want to swim? Here your swimming pool. Tennis? Here's your court... Unfortunately, that's not what happened

I love a good, well-planned community--like Mountain Park in Lake Oswego, Oregon. Or, on a lesser scale, Four Seasons in Beaverton. I looked at a rental condo at 60-01. My house was built in 1977; it would benefit for an extensive rehab, but it does have some architectural features.

ApatheticNoMore
2-14-22, 2:54pm
Well if yoga is cultural appropriation I'll get right on recommending the senior center immediately end their Tai Chi classes.

Rogar
2-14-22, 3:33pm
I have always thought the yoga and green smoothies have been supported by the medical community to promote good health. That's why they are in my routine anyway. I've never paid for a yoga class or lesson and am not wealthy or female. Maybe I should be eating more chicharrones to avoid class labels.

boss mare
2-14-22, 3:47pm
I have always thought the yoga and green smoothies have been supported by the medical community to promote good health. That's why they are in my routine anyway. I've never paid for a yoga class or lesson and am not wealthy or female. Maybe I should be eating more chicharrones to avoid class labels.

Or a Big Mac. My go-to after water aerobics class !Splat!

LDAHL
2-15-22, 1:23pm
https://aninjusticemag.com/westernization-and-cultural-appropriation-in-yoga-40e91944b292

“Cultural appropriation” pretends we are all packed into discrete societies like the kingdoms of Disney World. That’s what makes the concept so ridiculous. Nobody owns a culture. Every culture borrows from the others.

It’s one of those empty pieties, like those “land acknowledgment” rituals you sometimes see before performances. Nobody really intends any concrete actions, they just want to put their virtue on display.

JaneV2.0
2-15-22, 2:01pm
“Cultural appropriation” pretends we are all packed into discrete societies like the kingdoms of Disney World. That’s what makes the concept so ridiculous. Nobody owns a culture. Every culture borrows from the others. ...

I agree with this, more or less, but I have no problem with acknowledging the original (if that's relevant).