Solar guy came out to the house...

[catherine]

We thought our south facing roof would be a perfect perch for solar--the north facing side, clearly not with the large silver maple shading it most of the time. Adding solar was a no-brainer for a while--until the solar salesman came out yesterday.

It clearly makes NO sense for us to go solar. It will save us very little money, and we'd have to cut down at least one tree. You know how I feel about that. The problem is our electric baseboard heat is very expensive. The solar guy was amazed at how's much electricity is used to "supplement" our wood stove which is used almost daily. Not sure if I mentioned it, but DH for some reason feels cold all the time. He doesn't have anything seriously wrong with him, but he's had anemia problems in the past and he has thyroid issues as well, so I think his body thermostat is out of whack. If I keep the bedroom at the right temperature for me, he's too cold and sleeps on his recliner by the wood stove. If I keep the bedroom the right temperature for him, I have to sleep almost naked on top of the covers with arms and legs splayed out.

But that's just a side issue. The main issue is we have to do something to fix our high electric usage. I have considered a mini-split heat pump, and we're looking into that.

The reason I mention the solar guy is that, surprisingly, I was almost relieved when he said that my dream of solar power is dead for us. I'm still working out in my mind how I feel about solar--of course I like that it's renewable energy, but it does come with consequences--the parts to make it are not renewable. People aren't thinking about how best to use it--solar farms are being sited on arable land, and there is even clear-cutting of wooded areas to put solar farms. How ridiculous is that? The solar guy suggested building a pavilion on the south side of our house and then roofing it with solar panels, but another nonstarter because our gardens are back there. We are certainly not giving up gardens for solar panels.

So, while I work out my conflicted feelings on renewable energy solutions, we'll continue with wood, minimize the electric heat if possible, and explore ductless heat pumps and any other solutions available to us. Suggestions are welcomed.

[ToomuchStuff]

Aren't the mini splits electric?
Electric heat, is still very costly, no matter if it is baseboards, room a/c, heat pump, or mini split.
Instead of a pavillion, why not a greenhouse.

[iris lilies]

The people I know who do solar do it for the environment, not necessarily to save money. It’s an investment in the earth.

I guess feeling virtuous AND realizing a cost savings would be lovely, but that’s not real life, for many anyway.

Energy costs up in your neck of the woods are pretty awful. Natural gas that we have in abundance here in the Midwest is reasonable. Of course when we have to kick on that electricity for cooling during the hot muggy months and that ain’t pretty.

[Teacher Terry]

Our last house had electric baseboard heat. It was 1400 sq ft. When we went to bed I turned down the heat in all the rooms to 55 except our bedroom and closed the door. It made for a cold morning until it warmed up but cut our bills in half.

[catherine]

The people I know who do solar do it for the environment, not necessarily to save money. It’s an investment in the earth.

I guess feeling virtuous AND realizing a cost savings would be lovely, but that’s not real life, for many anyway.



Well, first of all I don't think doing things for the environment is "virtuous"--I would say it's common sense. But that's a different philosophical debate.

But if you're talking about being motivated by principle, yes, I am. And both DH and I are interested in cost savings, and happy surprise--if our house had been a good candidate for solar it would have accomplished both cost savings and environmental benefits. Win-win! But alas, our house and property are not solar-friendly.

Terry, our baseboard heaters do not come with thermostats, which is another really maddening thing. The dials are basically "on" and "off". This is why you walk into a bedroom and it's either the Arctic or a sauna. I am looking for a system that will give us better control of our heat, and save us money, and if it's an environmentally-friendly solution, that's the one I'll take.

TMS: the greenhouse idea did graze across my mind yesterday.. it's an interesting potential solution.

[rosarugosa]

Catherine: Do you have a heated mattress pad? DH likes it much warmer in bed than I do, so we set his side on HIGH and my side on 1 or 2.

[Tybee]

What about radiant floor heat using water pipes with a wood furnace?

[bae]

I have a large solar array, about 40kW worth, but it is part of a community effort:

https://energysavings.opalco.com/decatur-island-community-solar/

It produces a surplus to my usage a good part of the year.

[Rogar]

Have you considered extra insulation or window upgrades. A while back I had an energy audit done by the local utilities provider for a reasonable amount. They used thermal imaging to indicate weak areas in insulation, doors, and windows as well as a blower test that could help identify air leaks.

[iris lilies]

Well, first of all I don't think doing things for the environment is "virtuous"--I would say it's common sense. But that's a different philosophical debate.

But if you're talking about being motivated by principle, yes, I am. And both DH and I are interested in cost savings, and happy surprise--if our house had been a good candidate for solar it would have accomplished both cost savings and environmental benefits. Win-win! But alas, our house and property are not solar-friendly.

Terry, our baseboard heaters do not come with thermostats, which is another really maddening thing. The dials are basically "on" and "off". This is why you walk into a bedroom and it's either the Arctic or a sauna. I am looking for a system that will give us better control of our heat, and save us money, and if it's an environmentally-friendly solution, that's the one I'll take.

TMS: the greenhouse idea did graze across my mind yesterday.. it's an interesting potential solution.

By not solar friendly, you mean it would cost more than you would make from it. Yes, that was common when the 3 household I knew were doing it. Maybe now in 2022 the technology has advanced enough payout is easier to asses? I don’t know, but it cost them money to invest in earth saving energy. It’s fine that you’re not willing to make that sacrifice. I’m not saying you should, just pointing out—it is a financial sacrifice.

I think you’re doing a decent amount by living in small square footage and not driving a lot.

[bae]

When I first invested in my system in 2018, the calculated break-even period was ~10 years or so. With some additional grant funding and incentives the project finally received, that shortened it to <7 years, and put a big chunk of my initial investment back in my pocket last year as credits/cash.

[razz]

Catherine, why am I thinking that the living in the house throughout the coldest part of winter was an experiment that you and your DH wanted to try to make an informed decision whether you should rent for the Dec 1- March 1 time period and live in your house the rest of the year? You would still have some cold weather but it wouldn't be so demanding in time, energy and wood supply as this winter has been.

[iris lilies]

Catherine, why am I thinking that the living in the house throughout the coldest part of winter was an experiment that you and your DH wanted to try to make an informed decision whether you should rent for the Dec 1- March 1 time period and live in your house the rest of the year? You would still have some cold weather but it wouldn't be so demanding in time, energy and wood supply as this winter has been.

I think *WE* were concerned about catherine and her husband toughing it out in snowland.

But If they as hardy Yankees wish to hang there during the the winter, that is fine.

[catherine]

Catherine, why am I thinking that the living in the house throughout the coldest part of winter was an experiment that you and your DH wanted to try to make an informed decision whether you should rent for the Dec 1- March 1 time period and live in your house the rest of the year? You would still have some cold weather but it wouldn't be so demanding in time, energy and wood supply as this winter has been.

Thanks for the concern, razz and IL.. Yes, in the beginning of this adventure, DH and I thought we would spend all but about 4 months here and then go back to our house in NJ (2019) or Ocean Grove (2020). We have sold our home to my son, so that's out of the question. We went to OG in 2020 right before COVID hit, and we didn't want to go there during COVID last year. Plus we wanted to see if we did have that Yankee spirit IL mentioned. Turns out we might be able to arrogantly claim a little of it at our age. We get great joy from learning all there is to know about how to build fires and seal windows and drafts. The winter is invigorating. Hunkering down is so cozy. The stark beauty of ice on the lake is something we love looking at--it's often breathtaking.

I don't kid myself that I'll always be able to snowshoe out to my she-shed to get supplies, and DH won't always be able to shovel a path to his workshop on days when the temperature is below 0 and the gusts off the lake are 30mph, but we're enjoying it. I think once we solve the heating issue, it will make it all even more fun!

bae: I think Vermont does have a community solar program right in my town. I'll look into it. I'm not sure about the investment and the amount of credit we'll get back, but I'll see what I can find out.

Tybee: heated floors sound great, but wouldn't that mean I'd have to replace the floors?

Rogar: We are fixing our roof this spring, and we will definitely ensure adequate insulation. The house itself is pretty well insulated. I think the major issue is not that heat is leaking out, but that the temperature is so uncontrolled.

[Tradd]

Catherine, does your husband put on heavier clothes/layers?

[razz]

You are tougher stuff than I am. I lasted 2 winters after DH's passing - stacking plus hauling wood downstairs for the airtight stove, maintaining the fire during the day and clearing out the ash. My heat pump was effective until the temperature dropped below -15C or 5F then the electric furnace kicked in. Heat pumps may be more efficient now.
I was inquiring with total empathy for all your efforts to date. Hope you find a solution for the winter heating situation.

[Tybee]

Yes, you would have to lay the water pipe grid over pre-existing subflooring, Maybe you could take the flooring you have up and reinstall it. It's usually done in new construction and not retrofitted, but it sounded like a good solution for staying with wood heat but heating more efficiently and pleasantly with radiant heat. But it would be a major major overhaul.

[catherine]

You are tougher stuff than I am. I lasted 2 winters after DH's passing - stacking plus hauling wood downstairs for the airtight stove, maintaining the fire during the day and clearing out the ash. My heat pump was effective until the temperature dropped below -15C or 5F then the electric furnace kicked in. Heat pumps may be more efficient now.
I was inquiring with total empathy for all your efforts to date. Hope you find a solution for the winter heating situation.

Thanks, razz. Frankly, if I were to lose DH, I'm not sure how tough I would be. It's good to share the load. I appreciate the empathy.

BTW, heat pumps are more effective now--we'll see what happens.

[happystuff]

I would have loved the lifestyle you are living, catherine, when I was younger. Now, while I would love to "visit" the lifestyle, I don't think I could do it at my current age. Good luck getting things figured out and configured how you want it.

[catherine]

Catherine, does your husband put on heavier clothes/layers?

Oh, yeah, just this morning he was complaining that when he goes to the bathroom, it's so hard to find his ____ through 4 layers of clothing.

[Tradd]

Oh, yeah, just this morning he was complaining that when he goes to the bathroom, it's so hard to find his ____ through 4 layers of clothing.

You should have thrown a joke at him about size. :moon:

[iris lilies]

You should have thrown a joke at him about size. :moon:
Haha!
My DH wouldn't set himself up for the joke like this.

[catherine]

Haha!
My DH wouldn't set himself up for the joke like this.

Yeah, and I've been trained to not take that bait. "Wee" Scottish folks will only take the "wee" jokes just so far.

[rosarugosa]

You should have thrown a joke at him about size. :moon:

Never a good idea!

[Alan]

Yeah, and I've been trained to not take that bait. "Wee" Scottish folks will only take the "wee" jokes just so far.Those of us with the right hardware know that size is often related to temperature. If you joked with me I'd just say what do you expect, you keep it too damned cold in here (whether it was true or not).

[bae]

I travel to the Arctic with some frequency. The struggle is real.

[happystuff]

I just love how the conversations around here take such "unusual", but interesting, twists and turns. :D

[iris lilies]

I just love how the conversations around here take such "unusual", but interesting, twists and turns. :D
I am always up for smut.

From solar power to penis jokes,yep that’s the SL forums!

[razz]

I just love how the conversations around here take such "unusual", but interesting, twists and turns. :D

I thought the same thing as I chuckled.

[Teacher Terry]

Too funny you guys:)).

[Tradd]

Hehehe :D

[ToomuchStuff]

I am always up for smut.

From solar power to penis jokes,yep that’s the SL forums!
Female viagra?
Not sure how you could be up, for it.

[iris lilies]

Female viagra?
Not sure how you could be up, for it.

oh haha, more smut jokes. I am here for it.