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Just got one for mid-April. Cook County Criminal Court at 26th and California on the south side. Smack
Dab in the middle of the hood. Dangerous neighborhood. I was down there maybe 6 years ago and it was horrid. The drive alone is scary. Once you get off the freeway, you’re in the midst of an area no respectable, law abiding person goes. Going to do my hardest to get out of it. Going to try the international logistics angle with the current supply chain meltdown. Have to write a letter and snail mail it. Will get company owner to write a letter, too.
No one is going to want me on a jury anyway. Gun toting white suburbanite chick with very definite ideas about the chaos in Chicago.
happystuff
3-18-22, 7:30pm
My dh just got a jury summons in the mail today as well.
I got one quite recently, but the trial got postponed due to covid and ferry problems, so I got off the hook without even showing up.
I guess the gun you tote doesn't keep you safe that you are so scared. Hmm.
I guess the gun you tote doesn't keep you safe that you are so scared. Hmm.
Drink more.
I guess the gun you tote doesn't keep you safe that you are so scared. Hmm.
This from the chick that won’t use an ATM because she’s afraid she’s going to get robbed in the process.
If that isn’t the pot calling the kettle black, I don’t know what is. That’s funny from the resident f***king nut job.
Don't go to ATMs in the hood and you'll be fine. Don't flash your money around. I keep mine hidden in my underwear.
iris lilies
3-18-22, 8:42pm
I would bet that if you ignore that summons, nothing will ever happen to you. Just a guess based on my own city where warrants have 0 meaning..
But of course, eventually, it would catch up to you.
Don't go to ATMs in the hood and you'll be fine. Don't flash your money around. I keep mine hidden in my underwear.
I'm surprised you still wear underwear. Isn't it just another annoying piece of cloth? Seems kind of tyrannical to me.
I'm surprised you still wear underwear. Isn't it just another annoying piece of cloth? Seems kind of tyrannical to me.
It doesn't impede my breathing. I will ditch the bras when I retire. Underpants are useful in case I split my pants, I am not in violation of nudity laws, besides holding my bills. Coins I keep in my purse.
happystuff
3-18-22, 8:54pm
Handles money kept in her underwear - eww! - but won't wear a face mask?
This is the kind of "not surprised, but don't need to know" information that quoting an ignored post often reveals.
I would bet that if you ignore that summons, nothing will ever happen to you. Just a guess based on my cown city where warrants have 0 meaning..
But of course, eventually, it would catch up to you.
Around here, it is such a small place that you will inevitable run across the county prosecutor or the judge or the court/jury manager within a week of casual errands and conversations. So blowing off a jury summons gets you all these sad puppy dog eyes.
On the other hand, the jury manager is very responsive about rescheduling you at least a few times.
Handles money kept in her underwear - eww! - but won't wear a face mask?
This is the kind of "not surprised, but don't need to know" information that quoting an ignored post often reveals.
My face breaks out in a rash from wearing a mask. I don't have that problem down below. Many people have gotten bacterial infections from wearing masks. Others may have other issues I don't and go commando. Thankfully the government does not try to force them to wear underwear. We should all have the right to pursue happiness.
happystuff
3-18-22, 9:24pm
Except that nobody quoted that post, maybe your "ignore" isn't working?
jp1 - post #9
jp1 - post #9
Thanks, I missed it!
happystuff
3-18-22, 9:26pm
Thanks, I missed it!
;)
Teacher Terry
3-18-22, 10:30pm
When I was a teenager and worked fast food occasionally someone would pull their money out of their bra and it was awful having to touch it. Besides watching them dig around for it was disgusting as well.
Teacher Terry
3-18-22, 10:35pm
Tradd, parts of Milwaukee are like that and I know Chicago is much worse. I don’t blame you for not wanting to go there.
Simplemind
3-18-22, 11:36pm
I just got one for a murder trial, but I asked to be deferred for a year. I'm hoping Covid and downtown PDX will have improved in a year...... and pigs will fly.
I'm surprised you still wear underwear. Isn't it just another annoying piece of cloth? Seems kind of tyrannical to me.
It doesn't impede my breathing. I will ditch the bras when I retire. Underpants are useful in case I split my pants, I am not in violation of nudity laws, besides holding my bills. Coins I keep in my purse.
Your luxury lifestyle is showing. Back when I was a young man in high school/college I held several jobs bussing tables at restaurants. I routinely had what I called ‘diaper rash’ from working a physical job that involved spending a fair amount of time each shift going into an overly hot restaurant kitchen. During one particularly unpleasant episode I used my ‘lunch’ break (2-3pm) to walk over to Skaggs a block away and buy a tube of diaperene. If my ass had been able to ‘breathe freely’ I probably would have been fine.
They are moving our entire court system from downtown where I can walk safely to an inner city area of dubious safety. Whole area where the court building is being built is being dug up, changed, rerouted, etc. No idea of parking and safety of open parking lot and the new prisons are also relocated right there. So I no longer wish to travel to jury duty. Sigh.
rosarugosa
3-19-22, 6:37am
I used to moonlight cashiering at a pinball arcade on the beach. People would routinely pass me wet, sweaty money pulled from their socks or from their groin area. At the end of the shift, my hands were absolutely filthy from handling money all evening and I had to really scrub with pumice hand cleaner to get them clean. No way would I ever be keeping money in my underwear; that stuff is dirty!
What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Hygiene hypothesis.
There’s a great despair.com poster with the caption: “What doesn’t kill me postpones the inevitable”.
Sent a letter off today to request being excused. We’ll see.
ToomuchStuff
3-24-22, 9:51am
If it is anything like here, you won't get excused for your job.
Medical reasons can be an excuse. Elderly caregiver, taking full time care of someone near 100, worked for my neighbor years ago.
Courts around here are still trying to do as much as possible to keep courts out of session. (do you really want a jury, during a pandemic, that doesn't want to be here) So I and one other person here, received sumons and the trials were either delayed or settled and we didn't have to appear (supposed to call 24 hours prior).
It’s worth a shot. Do I want to go down to the ghetto? Hell, no! A friend just told me she was on her way down there for jury duty a few months ago and was carjacked a few blocks from the courthouse.
iris lilies
3-24-22, 12:18pm
Many years ago 25% of my staff at the library were called to jury duty within a four week period. I was so pissed. I wrote to the court to say look this is excessive, Please excuse the last person you called until she retires next year. That employee was of course agreeable to that or I would not have suggested it.
gimmethesimplelife
3-24-22, 10:00pm
I seem to have the misfortune of jury summons often - three times in less than 10 years. Last time (March 2020) I was excused due to covid.
Next time if I'm summoned again I will be totally honest in that unless the defendant admitted guilt I would vote not guilty - especially if it were a non-serious issue - I would vote auto not guilty. If I didn't I be (expletive) all over me nieghborhood/neighbors/that which I have learned in life. No can do, no will do.
There are too many police reports full of lies. If I wasn't there the whole time of said legal situation there is no way I trust police. If I didn't vote not guilty, I'd be potentially guilty of literally letting a cop get away with murder. I just can't do this....it violates my moral and ethical code.
And don't start me on prosecutors illegally withholding evidence.- another huge problem in America I personally rarely address. Rob
I'll make sure to commit my next killing in Rob's neighborhood, and hope he's on the jury, I guess.
gimmethesimplelife
3-24-22, 11:06pm
I'll make sure to commit my next killing in Rob's neighborhood, and hope he's on the jury, I guess.I don't disagree that you have a point here. bae. The only problem is there are some percentage of cops - Derek Chauvin as an example - who are nothing more than glorified sociopathic murderers accruing a pension and granted Cadillac Health Insurance
My point? This situation is not an easy fix with this so divided. Rob
I don't disagree that you have a point here. bae. The only problem is there are some percentage of cops - Derek Chauvin as an example - who are nothing more than glorified sociopathic murderers...
Isn't that, um, part of the reason we have juries in the first place?
iris lilies
3-24-22, 11:16pm
Speaking of criminals coming to court, our city’s useless prosecutor, Kim Gardener, is being brought up on disciplinary charges for her role in lying in her pursuit and prosecution of Eric Greitens, Missouri governor.
She may earn a ruling that suspends or even revokes her law license entirely. The importance of that is she cannot be our city prosecutor without a valid license to practice law.
there is a small ray of sunshine on the horizon.
Speaking of criminals coming to court, our city’s useless prosecutor, Kim Gardener, is being brought up on disciplinary charges for her role in lying in her pursuit and prosecution of Eric Greitens, Missouri governor.
She may earn a ruling that suspends or even revokes her law license entirely. The importance of that is she cannot be our city prosecutor without a valid license to practice law.
there is a small ray of sunshine on the horizon.
I wish we could get rid of Kim Foxx.
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 10:13am
I wish we could get rid of Kim Foxx.Now that I'd agree with. Staging a fake hate crime and lying to police is a crime, no? I only wish cops were prosecuted and left with the life destruction of a permanent criminal record the many times THEY lie.
But I digress. Jossie Smollette (sp?)did committ a crime and I deeply resent this prosecutor for not applying the law equally. To me, Foxx needs to serve a few years in prison to put terror in the hearts of prosecutors nationwide to keep them ethical - with clear snd equally applied consequences for when prosecutors and not just police engage in illegal behavior.
Here in Maricopa County/Phoenix Metro we just a had a prosecutor resign for FINALLY being held accountable for her drinking getting in the way of her career. Supposedly due to her alcoholism/entitled non-compliance with her position, 180 cases can not be filed as the statute of limitations has been exceeded. Not a good look for the DA's office, no?
It's not just police running amok and severely reducing the quality of life in this country - many of our prosecutors are just as bad as our police though fortunately they do not carry guns - likely a good thing. Rob
OMG, Rob agreed with something I said? Holy crap. LOL
iris lilies
3-25-22, 12:16pm
Now that I'd agree with. Staging a fake hate crime and lying to police is a crime, no? I only wish cops were prosecuted and left with the life destruction of a permanent criminal record the many times THEY lie.
But I digress. Jossie Smollette (sp?)did committ a crime and I deeply resent this prosecutor for not applying the law equally. To me, Foxx needs to serve a few years in prison to put terror in the hearts of prosecutors nationwide to keep them ethical with clear snd equally applied consequences for when prosecutors and not just police engage in illegal behavior.
Here in Maricopa County/Phoenix Metro we just a had a prosecutor resign for FINALLY being held accountable for her drinking getting in the way of her career. Supposedly due to her alcoholism/entitled non-compliance with her position, 180 cases can not be filed as the statute of limitations has been exceeded. Not a good look for the DA's office, no?
It's not just police running amok and severely reducing the quality of life in this country - many of our prosecutors are just as bad as our police though fortunately they do not carry guns - likely a good thing. Rob
That is batshit crazy and a cruel idea, the bolded idea. Fortunately your insane opinion hold 0 water with society. I think it is a perfectly adequate response to boot failed prosecutors out of office through legal mean like elections or well defined prosecutorial malfeasance paths.
There seems to be something of a national reaction against prosecutors who won’t prosecute for reasons of ideology or self-interest. I see there’s a recall effort underway in SF for the guy who decided whole classes of misdemeanors should get free passes for social justice reasons. And there are other places where DAs are catching heat for abusing their discretion on issues of cash bail, mass incarceration or “equity”.
Possibly part of a larger trend where Democrats need to distance themselves from unpopular progressive pieties like “defund the police”.
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 12:27pm
That is batshit crazy and a cruel idea, the bolded idea. Fortunately your insane opinion hold 0 water with society. I think it is a perfectly adequate response to boot failed prosecutors out of office through legal mean like elections or well defined prosecutorial malfeasance paths.I'm all ears, IL. Do you have a better idea for prosecutors to equally apply the law/discontinue withholding evidence? My idea is not far out there in light of how many innocent lives have been destroyed by US prosecutors. Call me radical - but for destroying an innocent life as a prosecutor? I'd be OK with 20 to life and no parole/chance to rejoin society early. Can you come up with a better idea? Rob
That is batshit crazy and a cruel idea, the bolded idea. Fortunately your insane opinion hold 0 water with society.
I don't see in Rob's World why anyone would enter any public service profession.
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 12:38pm
That is batshit crazy and a cruel idea, the bolded idea. Fortunately your insane opinion hold 0 water with society. I think it is a perfectly adequate response to boot failed prosecutors out of office through legal mean like elections or well defined prosecutorial malfeasance paths.I have always maintained that JS indeed broke the law and should be doled out consequences, yes. And the preferential treatment Ms. Foxx was all about? Not wise and not a good look. I deeply believe Ms. Foxx has earned time behind bars for her unequal application of the law and for making future victims of legitimate hate crimes less likely to be believed. This to me merits time behind bars and I don't apologize for this blunt reality.
I realize what I am about to post is not realistic, OK? Let me preface the following with this remark. For someone like Ms. Foxx - and many US police and prosecutors - We would all be safer if they learned Russian and defected to become part of Putin's YES stamp team. These folks seem to have all the sinister qualities and utter contempt for the Rule of Law that Putin has displayed for some time. In Russia these people would be more likely to get away with their transgressions. But, as I said, I realize that this is not going to happen. Pity. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 12:41pm
Speaking of criminals coming to court, our city’s useless prosecutor, Kim Gardener, is being brought up on disciplinary charges for her role in lying in her pursuit and prosecution of Eric Greitens, Missouri governor.
She may earn a ruling that suspends or even revokes her law license entirely. The importance of that is she cannot be our city prosecutor without a valid license to practice law.
there is a small ray of sunshine on the horizon.See IL - even you here are taking hope in your lying prosecutor being doled out consequences.....why am I so radical in my belief that Ms. Foxx should be paying some serious legal consequences? Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 12:45pm
OMG, Rob agreed with something I said? Holy crap. LOLAy carumba! We have agreed on issues once in awhile before. And on this JS thing I could not agree with you more. Rob
iris lilies
3-25-22, 12:46pm
See IL - even you here are taking hope in your lying prosecutor being doled out consequences.....why am I so radical in my belief that Ms. Foxx should be paying some serious legal consequences? Rob
Foxx should not be jailed because she didn't commit a crime. I realize in the alternate Rob’s World things-that-are-not-crimes are Rob Crimes. You do not live in reality, that is an alternate universe.
Look, our own prosecutor ignores criminals, lets them go free, screws up murder cases so that obviously guilty peeps go free, and is especially lenient with the perps who prey on cops. You would love her!
But just because I think she makes piss poor decisions as a prosecutor doesn’t mean she should go to jail for it. Really how incredibly naïve and just dumb that opinion is. Our city prosecutor is exercising the decision making powers she has legitimately earned when elected to office.
Now her lying in a specific case is definitely a breach of …something. For that she should see consequences.
Foxx has done some other questionable stuff. Jail, no. But censored by the state bar association or forced from office? Absolutely.
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 12:57pm
Because she didn't commit a crime.
it is astonishing that you dont understand that. You do not live in reality.
Look, our own prosecutor ignores criminals, lets them go free, screws up murder cases so that obviously guilty peeps go free, and is especially lenient with the perps who prey on cops. . You would love her!
But just because I think she makes piss poor decisions as a prosecutor doesn’t mean she should go to jail for it. Really how incredibly naïve and just dumb that opinion is. Our city prosecutor is exercising the decision making powers she has legitimately earned when elected to office.Maybe (?) I can see the crux of our disagreement here. I find unequal application of the law - or withholding evidence, which doesn't seem to have happened here btw - worthy of time behind bars. If prosecution's actions destroy an innocent life OR if laws are very much unequally applied - what better idea to stop such BS in it's tracks than locking up such prosecutors? On this one I really don't understand you, IL. I see your willingness to turn and look the other way very Austrian though - LOL - bet you never thought I'd post that, no? Austrians were guilty of this in WW2 and years ago I promised myself I would not be guilty of this.
But I am no saint. In my.personal life I have indeed looked the other way at times. But when it comes to a system that indeed has destroyed innocent.life far too frequently - I will not turn and look the other way. Good thing I don't live in Russia, no? Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 12:59pm
Foxx has done some other questionable stuff. Jail, no. But censored by the state bar association or forced from office? Absolutely.Tradd - I'm not slamming you here. Truly I am trying to understand. We agree that Ms. Foxx was wrong, no? That laws were applied unequally?
Then why no jail time for Ms. Foxx? Rob
Then why no jail time for Ms. Foxx? Rob
What crimes did you charge Foxx with? (Like, specific charges...)
Was Foxx convicted of any of them?
What are the sentencing guidelines for those crimes?
Where did you go to law school?
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 1:04pm
Foxx should not be jailed because she didn't commit a crime. I realize in the alternate Rob’s World things-that-are-not-crimes are Rob Crimes. You do not live in reality, that is an alternate universe.
Look, our own prosecutor ignores criminals, lets them go free, screws up murder cases so that obviously guilty peeps go free, and is especially lenient with the perps who prey on cops. You would love her!
But just because I think she makes piss poor decisions as a prosecutor doesn’t mean she should go to jail for it. Really how incredibly naïve and just dumb that opinion is. Our city prosecutor is exercising the decision making powers she has legitimately earned when elected to office.
Now her lying in a specific case is definitely a breach of …something. For that she should see consequences.How is her lying in a specific case any different than police officers frequently outright lying in reports/omitting facts? Police officers are actually starting to be prosecuted for this Thank God. Why should prosecutors be immune? Honestly, you say I'm out there which I can accept. On this one I find you equally out there. Your take allows an exploitive institution to retain it's status quo - mine doesn't. Rob
iris lilies
3-25-22, 1:16pm
Tradd - I'm not slamming you here. Truly I am trying to understand. We agree that Ms. Foxx was wrong, no? That laws were applied unequally?
Then why no jail time for Ms. Foxx? Robyou are not “truly” trying to to understand. But to be fair, I do think your capacity for …honesty…is diminished. It is part of the Rob’s World syndrome.
Now Ultralite would take me to task for being an armchair psychoanalist.. I just can’t win, sigh.
haha.
Your take allows an exploitive institution to retain it's status quo - mine doesn't. Rob
I shudder to think of what your take allows.
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 1:38pm
I shudder to think of what your take allows.Scary. Very scary that the concept of equal application of the law seems to mean little (?) to various unnamed posters here. My take allows for even application of the law.....but I realize this is not the American Way.
And Ladies here, please - what I am about to post is not misogyny - another UNequal application of the law issue I have in the US: A man and a woman can committ the same crime and often the man is sentenced for a much longer time. This is with all things being equal or very close to equal.
To me there should be laws against UNequal application of the law - unless we'd rather be a third world banana republic. And even here America lacks - where are the colorful marketplaces and the slower pace of life if our laws are to be applied UNequally? If we want to be third world I expect some of the good of the third world such as a saner pace of life. Rob
...the concept of equal application of the law
I am not convinced you know what those words mean.
Where did you go to law school?
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 1:51pm
I am not convinced you know what those words mean.
Where did you go to law school?No law school. Such is not needed to know that it's criminally wrong for a man and a woman to committ the same crime but the man typically gets a longer sentence. Seriously - I realize this is not going to happen, OK? This country owes it's men something - some kind of settlement for this long time uneven application of the law.
I find it depressing, very depressing that some here find this perfectly acceptable. Rob
Scary. Very scary that the concept of equal application of the law seems to mean little (?) to various unnamed posters here. My take allows for even application of the law.....but I realize this is not the American Way.
And Ladies here, please - what I am about to post is not misogyny - another UNequal application of the law issue I have in the US: A man and a woman can committ the same crime and often the man is sentenced for a much longer time. This is with all things being equal or very close to equal.
To me there should be laws against UNequal application of the law - unless we'd rather be a third world banana republic. And even here America lacks - where are the colorful marketplaces and the slower pace of life if our laws are to be applied UNequally? If we want to be third world I expect some of the good of the third world such as a saner pace of life. Rob
How would the administration of justice specifically differ in a Robocracy? Would you dispense with trial by jury, judicial independence, the presumption of innocence and police oversight in any significant way? How would you attain equality under the law under your system if the present one is such a failure? All I’ve gleaned from your posts is that you’d impose draconian punishments on public officials for violating both real and imagined laws at whim. That sounds more banana republic than our present, admittedly imperfect system. And as Bae asked, who in their right mind would work in law enforcement under that sort of capricious regime?
Would I choose the colorful markets of Venezuela over Costco if we also had to swap justice systems?
No. I don’t even favor reparations for men to compensate for systemic female privilege.
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 3:20pm
Foxx should not be jailed because she didn't commit a crime. I realize in the alternate Rob’s World things-that-are-not-crimes are Rob Crimes. You do not live in reality, that is an alternate universe.
Look, our own prosecutor ignores criminals, lets them go free, screws up murder cases so that obviously guilty peeps go free, and is especially lenient with the perps who prey on cops. You would love her!
But just because I think she makes piss poor decisions as a prosecutor doesn’t mean she should go to jail for it. Really how incredibly naïve and just dumb that opinion is. Our city prosecutor is exercising the decision making powers she has legitimately earned when elected to office.
Now her lying in a specific case is definitely a breach of …something. For that she should see consequences.In Rob's world it's totally understandable that you don't care for your prosecutor - I'll give you that. I also agree that it's very wrong - criminally wrong even - to go lightly with perps who prey on cops as you put it.
Obviously I have posted ad infinitum regarding police who.prey on the public, especially minorities they see as unable to afford legal representation.
BUT you know what? This goes the OTHER way, too. I find it very much acceptable to lock up perps who prey on cops - just as much as I have posted on and on regarding cops needing to be prosecuted.
Surprised? The only reason I have not posted more regarding perps who prey on cops is that where I live it's much much much more about cops preying on the public. But yes I do hear of police officers being shot at/assaulted and I resent the perps very much as doing such only causes law enforcement to double down on the behaviors that cause these issues in the first place. Attacking officers only solidifies the US vs. THEM stsnce that US Law enforcement holds overall. We may not agree on specific reasons why it's wrong to rassle with officers - but we do agree it's wrong.
As for prosecutors I'm thinking that they are almost as bad as US Police. They certainly are no friend to the general public. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 3:25pm
That is batshit crazy and a cruel idea, the bolded idea. Fortunately your insane opinion hold 0 water with society. I think it is a perfectly adequate response to boot failed prosecutors out of office through legal mean like elections or well defined prosecutorial malfeasance paths.The only problem I see here? My way would likely mean fewer prosecutors but less overall fear of the United States. Your way does not squelch shady prosecutor behavior at it's source- my way does as my way would have immediate and clear cut consequences for prosecutors who go too damn far. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 3:28pm
[QUOTE=LDAHL;404718]How would the administration of justice specifically differ in a Robocracy? Would you dispense with trial by jury, judicial independence, the presumption of innocence and police oversight in any significant way? How would you attain equality under the law under your system if the present one is such a failure? All I’ve gleaned from your posts is that you’d impose draconian punishments on public officials for violating both real and imagined laws at whim. That sounds more banana republic than our present, admittedly imperfect system. And as Bae asked, who in their right mind would work in law enforcement under that sort of capricious regime?
Would I choose the colorful markets of Venezuela over Costco if we also had to swap justice systems?
No. I don’t even favor reparations for men to compensate for systemic female privilege.[/QUOTEGotta give you some credit. At least you understand that there is.systemic female privilege going on in this area. Rob]
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 3:31pm
Somehow I messed up my above post. I meant to give kudos to LDAHL for understanding the privilege women enjoy in being granted lighter sentences than a man would get for a same crime. I have real problems with this, I really do. Rob
Somehow I messed up my above post. I meant to give kudos to LDAHL for understanding the privilege women enjoy in being granted lighter sentences than a man would get for a same crime. I have real problems with this, I really do. Rob
You've been drinking the Men's Rights Activist Koolaid still, I see. Fun fun.
Somehow I messed up my above post. I meant to give kudos to LDAHL for understanding the privilege women enjoy in being granted lighter sentences than a man would get for a same crime. I have real problems with this, I really do. Rob
I was speaking sarcastically. My understanding was that the difference in sentencing was largely explainable by the sad fact that most of the senior level positions in crime were occupied by males, that males often add additional violent flourishes to a given offense, and that the additional criminal career opportunities enjoyed by men favor the longer sentencing that often goes with recidivism.
I don’t see a victim class here.
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 4:27pm
You've been drinking the Men's Rights Activist Koolaid still, I see. Fun fun.Expecting sentencing equality makes me an MRA? Nope. Sorry. Such just makes me human. Rob
iris lilies
3-25-22, 6:12pm
How is her lying in a specific case any different than police officers frequently outright lying in reports/omitting facts? Police officers are actually starting to be prosecuted for this Thank God. Why should prosecutors be immune? Honestly, you say I'm out there which I can accept. On this one I find you equally out there. Your take allows an exploitive institution to retain it's status quo - mine doesn't. Rob
As always, you ascribe ideas to me I don’t have. It is tiring talking to you.
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 7:53pm
IL should you ever set foot in Phoenix - or I in Missouri - please let's meet for coffee. I'm really curious what our takes on each other would be IRL. Rob
iris lilies
3-25-22, 8:53pm
IL should you ever set foot in Phoenix - or I in Missouri - please let's meet for coffee. I'm really curious what our takes on each other would be IRL. Rob
While I would like to say that will not likely happen since I intensely dislike the idea of Arizona, we have friends who moved to Lake Havasu and they always want us to come and visit.
As it is, I am returning to The Great West in a couple of weeks to attend the National iris convention in Las Cruces where I had a miserable vacation in 2017. I am hoping this trek will be more enjoyable. It has to be, looking at thousands of iris.
gimmethesimplelife
3-25-22, 8:56pm
While I would like to say that will not likely happen since I intensely dislike the idea of Arizona, we have friends who moved to Lake Havasu and they always want us to come and visit.
As it is, I am returning to The Great West in a couple of weeks to attend the National iris convention in Las Cruces where I had a miserable vacation in 2017. I am hoping this trek will be more enjoyable. It has to be, looking at thousands of iris.Enjoy! I was thinking of moving to Las Cruces for awhile but now Nogales seems much more practical. Anyway , maybe we will meet up.someday. I think it would.be.interesting. Rob
@Tradd, just saw this post. Served at 26th and Cal years ago on a murder case. It wasn't that great then but today? No way would I go there tbh. One good thing about moving out of Cook county (now in Lake) was that I didn't have to serve there again. Had no problem serving at other locations (Bridgeview, Lombard, downtown Chicago even) but was not comfortable going to that area again.
Is having your service moved to one of the suburban locations an option?
@Tradd, just saw this post. Served at 26th and Cal years ago on a murder case. It wasn't that great then but today? No way would I go there tbh. One good thing about moving out of Cook county (now in Lake) was that I didn't have to serve there again. Had no problem serving at other locations (Bridgeview, Lombard, downtown Chicago even) but was not comfortable going to that area again.
Is having your service moved to one of the suburban locations an option?
You can only move service to another courthouse if you’re 70 or over. I’m way younger.
Letter was sent and mailed late in the week. Maybe I’ll get lucky.
gimmethesimplelife
3-28-22, 10:38pm
You can only move service to another courthouse if you’re 70 or over. I’m way younger.
Letter was sent and mailed late in the week. Maybe I’ll get lucky.In 2011 I got really lucky. I was allowed to postpone jury duty until just right before Christmas. I didn't know it at the time but right before the holidays supposedly more people are excused from jury duty. Anyway I called after 5 PM and found out that my whole group was excused.
So here's a tip I was given that worked for me - try to postpone your service until a date ranging from 12/1 to 12/20 or so. It worked in my case once. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
3-28-22, 10:43pm
You can only move service to another courthouse if you’re 70 or over. I’m way younger.
Letter was sent and mailed late in the week. Maybe I’ll get lucky.That's unacceptable that your jury duty is potentially in a sketchy, dangerous area. Seriously, is it too much to ask for to have jury duty take place in a safer area? That's way beyond a slap in the face to be put at risk from jury duty. Tradd, I hope you can get out of it. Your reason for getting out of it seems valid to me.....Rob
That's unacceptable that your jury duty is potentially in a sketchy, dangerous area. Seriously, is it too much to ask for to have jury duty take place in a safer area? That's way beyond a slap in the face to be put at risk from jury duty. Tradd, I hope you can get out of it. Your reason for getting out of it seems valid to me.....Rob
Thanks. There’s a nice suburban courthouse 20 minutes from me. Have I ever been called there? Nope!
In 2011 I got really lucky. I was allowed to postpone jury duty until just right before Christmas. I didn't know it at the time but right before the holidays supposedly more people are excused from jury duty. Anyway I called after 5 PM and found out that my whole group was excused.
So here's a tip I was given that worked for me - try to postpone your service until a date ranging from 12/1 to 12/20 or so. It worked in my case once. Rob
I plan on being in FL cave diving around Christmas!
Three times in San Francisco I postponed to the week between Christmas and New Years and didn’t end up having to serve. (I never served in San Francisco). Last year, here on the suburbs, I postponed to the same time period and because of omicron or Christmas I also didn’t have to serve. The last time I had to serve was when I still lived in NYC 17 years ago. I never got called in the four years we lived in NJ.
In 2011 I got really lucky. I was allowed to postpone jury duty until just right before Christmas. I didn't know it at the time but right before the holidays supposedly more people are excused from jury duty. Anyway I called after 5 PM and found out that my whole group was excused.
So here's a tip I was given that worked for me - try to postpone your service until a date ranging from 12/1 to 12/20 or so. It worked in my case once. Rob
Last fall, DH got called to jury duty during the time we would be on vacation. The county will allow you to postpone for this sort of reason only once. In our county you are called for a week where you have to call in every day to see if you have to report. He requested a week after Dec. 1 which was granted. He had to call in for the first 3 days to see if his assigned jury number was in the group to report. It wasn't and by mid-week he was released.
This is probably not something that would work if his date had been earlier in the year. December wasn't that far off from his original date in late September. But he was relieved about not going as he still had a lot of concerns about Covid and a new surge was just beginning.
iris lilies
3-30-22, 4:37pm
Last fall, DH got called to jury duty during the time we would be on vacation. The county will allow you to postpone for this sort of reason only once. In our county you are called for a week where you have to call in every day to see if you have to report. He requested a week after Dec. 1 which was granted. He had to call in for the first 3 days to see if his assigned jury number was in the group to report. It wasn't and by mid-week he was released.
This is probably not something that would work if his date had been earlier in the year. December wasn't that far off from his original date in late September. But he was relieved about not going as he still had a lot of concerns about Covid and a new surge was just beginning.
What is going on in downtown Portland these days? I plan to go to Portland for the Iris convention in 2024.
What is going on in downtown Portland these days? I plan to go to Portland for the Ir convention in 2024.
Most--but not all--the gunfire seems to take place in neighborhoods outside the center city, so you should be relatively safe there. You'll probably only have to deal with wall-to-wall homeless encampments, unless the city finally addresses that problem (which has been festering for years). Car theft/chop shops are a huge problem, so don't bring your car. :D
invisibleflash
3-30-22, 9:16pm
OP...I trash mine. So far so good.
iris lilies
3-30-22, 9:56pm
OP...I trash mine. So far so good.
I sincerely thought about that the last time I got a jury summary for the city where I currently reside, but then I thought no just go through the process and get it all set up right. So I told the courts peeps my legal address was the small town we’re moving to. I only needed a utility bill in my name to prove that, so I showed it to them.
And then that caused me to change my drivers license and voters registration to get it all done. And now I’m legal for the small town and I plan to drive there next week to vote in the small town election.
But I’m quite certain that if I had thrown away my court summons, nothing would’ve happened to me. Maybe they would be a warrant out? I don’t know. I don’t care. Nothing happens around here to those who have a warrant.
gimmethesimplelife
3-30-22, 10:46pm
Most--but not all--the gunfire seems to take place in neighborhoods outside the center city, so you should be relatively safe there. You'll probably only have to deal with wall-to-wall homeless encampments, unless the city finally addresses that problem (which has been festering for years). Car theft/chop shops are a huge problem, so don't bring your car. :DPortland sure has changed since I first set foot there July 8th, 1991. Rob
iris lilies
3-30-22, 10:55pm
Portland sure has changed since I first set foot there July 8th, 1991. Rob
I was last in Portland about, hmmm, 1995? Round about there.
Portland sure has changed since I first set foot there July 8th, 1991. Rob
I left the area in 1986; my friends keep me informed.
Still haven’t gotten a response to my letter asking to be excused. Scheduled for jury duty next Tuesday.
Not sure if you kept a copy / took a picture of the form, Tradd - but hubby got a summons yesterday. It says your request has been granted if you do not hear back from us. Maybe the same was on yours?
I think about Iris' throwing out the form...who is to say you couldn't argue that the excusable was sent in and since you didn't hear back you figured it was allowed?
gimmethesimplelife
4-6-22, 7:30pm
I left the area in 1986; my friends keep me informed.OH. Never mind. For some reason I thought you were in Portland. Sorry. Rob
OH. Never mind. For some reason I thought you were in Portland. Sorry. Rob
I spent years in Portland, years in Beaverton, and now I'm living in a leafy suburb of Seattle.
I spent years in Portland, years in Beaverton, and now I'm living in a leafy suburb of Seattle.
Is there anywhere in the Seattle metro that isn’t leafy?
Not sure if you kept a copy / took a picture of the form, Tradd - but hubby got a summons yesterday. It says your request has been granted if you do not hear back from us. Maybe the same was on yours?
I think about Iris' throwing out the form...who is to say you couldn't argue that the excusable was sent in and since you didn't hear back you figured it was allowed?
Now that you mention it, I don’t think the form says anything about them getting back to you. I’ll have to check it when I get home tonight. In that case, I’ll be good! Thanks very much for mentioning that.
In my state, you can be fined or jailed for ignoring a summons. I knew one judge who would sometimes issue bench warrants for scofflaws.
In my state, you can be fined or jailed for ignoring a summons. I knew one judge who would sometimes issue bench warrants for scofflaws.
Here’s the thing - US mail service is now so bad, how can they be sure you received it?
Here’s the thing - US mail service is now so bad, how can they be sure you received it?
I suppose you could try making that claim if you were willing to spend some time in court. I guess it would be up to the judge or Court Commissioner how far they’d want to take it
Just called the courthouse. My request to be excused was denied. They don’t excuse for work reasons at all. I’m going to be rescheduled within the next six months. And I’m going to be ask to be rescheduled for the suburban courthouse near me so I don’t have to go into the ghetto.
Just called the courthouse. My request to be excused was denied. They don’t excuse for work reasons at all. I’m going to be rescheduled within the next six months. And I’m going to be ask to be rescheduled for the suburban courthouse near me so I don’t have to go into the ghetto.
Years ago, my boss wrote them to get me excused due to a critical project going on but they would only reschedule in 6 months. Guess that still hasn't changed.
I hope you can get them to assign you to the suburban courthouse. Reading about your summons honestly has given me one more reason to be glad to be out of Cook County. While in Cook, I was summoned 8 times in 14 years sometimes even within the one year exemption period after prior service. I had to call to advise them but the constant summonses were a pain and it only ended when I moved to Lake County. Have only been summoned once in the 25 years we have lived there, DH has been summoned 3 times. He is exempt for the next 4 years after which he will be 70 and he can exempt himself due to age.
Forgot to mention that my company doesn’t pay when you’re gone for jury duty. I will be losing nearly $300 in after tax pay. I am pissed.
I have a virtual appt with my doc tomorrow about getting a letter about my knees to get excused from jury duty.
gimmethesimplelife
4-8-22, 8:19pm
I have a virtual appt with my doc tomorrow about getting a letter about my knees to get excused from jury duty.Wishing you luck with this.....Rob
Thanks, Rob.
Just got off telehealth call and doc is doing a letter for me. She's going to mention chronic knee/back issues that limit my mobility and if they refuse to excuse me for that, there are major issues.
Teacher Terry
4-9-22, 1:39pm
I thought companies had to pay you when you have jury duty.
I thought companies had to pay you when you have jury duty.
Federal law, nope. State laws may vary. IL doesn’t require it. They only have to give you the days off and not make your life difficult. When I had to do jury duty downtown (civil court) in the early 2000s, a coworker was pissed as he had wanted to take that day off late minute. Threw a hissy fit (he was high maintenance anyway). Boss told him he was out of luck.
iris lilies
4-9-22, 7:47pm
Forgot to mention that my company doesn’t pay when you’re gone for jury duty. I will be losing nearly $300 in after tax pay. I am pissed.
Oy. That right there would get you excused in my city from a extensive trial, but you’d have to sit in the big room to be in panels, and then once you were in front of a judge on a jury panel he would excuse you. At least that’s how it works here.
Teacher Terry
4-9-22, 9:01pm
When I lived in Wisconsin employers paid.
ToomuchStuff
4-9-22, 11:14pm
When I lived in Wisconsin employers paid.
Are you talking salaried employee's, or hourly employee's as well?
ApatheticNoMore
4-10-22, 1:28am
I've seldom been paid, but quite honestly, the courts here seem to take pity on that, you have to report to serve in jury duty alright, but you get thrown in the lowest priority pile to be picked if you have no paid jury time.
Teacher Terry
4-10-22, 1:54am
My husband was a hourly employee.
happystuff
4-10-22, 10:40am
In our area, you call in every night to see if you have been selected for the next day and actually have to show up. This way people can go to work if they haven't been selected.
ApatheticNoMore
4-10-22, 1:07pm
In our area, you call in every night to see if you have been selected for the next day and actually have to show up. This way people can go to work if they haven't been selected.
same here although showing up does not mean being selected, it's just showing up for a pool to be selected, and if you aren't (and you usually never get to voir dire) you are free to go. There may be less jury duty since they stopped enforcing petty crime much here. I can't help but secretly think that is a positive trade off :laff: But costs are just passed on to the consumer if some petty theft is up, yea well and I lose a day and potential much more pay to go to jury duty. Yea I hate jury duty.
I would have liked to serve on a jury, and my employer would have paid my wages had I done so, but it was not to be. I was called twice, but was unable to serve either time.
I thought companies had to pay you when you have jury duty.
Not In Wisconsin. Employers may pay jurors but aren’t required to. State law does require that counties pay an amount of no more than $50 per diem. Mine used to pay $30 plus a “travel fee”. If an employer does choose to pay employees for jury duty, they have the right to the county payment.
Simplemind
4-10-22, 5:18pm
We were always paid as if it was a regular workday. Overtime if the travel hours pushed it over 8hrs. If dismissed early we did not have to go back to the office to finish out 8 hours.
The court pays $17.50 per day in Cook County.
Teacher Terry
4-11-22, 1:24am
Lladhl, it was in the late 80’s and his company paid him and he got to keep the per diem. I assumed that they had to pay.
Got my letter from the doc on Saturday. She posted it to the medical group portal and I had it about 20 minutes after telehealth appt. Just faxed it with a free fax service right from my computer at home.
Had to fax from the office this morning. Courthouse fax was busy last night. Forgot to mention the letter requests me to be permanently excused from jury duty. Yay!
happystuff
4-12-22, 10:05am
Good luck, Tradd. Hope the letter works!
Got a standby juror summons for tomorrow. Had to call today to find out if I have to report. And damn I have to. Thankfully it’s a suburban courthouse in a nice area. Not ghetto Sh*tcago. Being a suburban courthouse, it’s more likely to be civil or minor criminal stuff. All the serious crimes, go to the Crook County Criminal Court in the ghetto.
I do NOT have time for this. There is one other coworker in my department. I am scheduled to leave for vacation the 16th and I’ve got a ton of stuff to get done (getting shipment paperwork set up ahead of time before I leave).
If I’m not called for jury selection, I don’t have to report the next day. Have my Kindle, backup battery pack for my iPhone, and plenty of change for the vending machines. I’m sure the people watching will be quite good. Since the courthouse is in a nice suburb, there is less change of having to associate with the dregs of Crook County, like I had to deal with when waiting to get throng security about a decade ago at the ghetto courthouse.
Skokie (suburban courthouse) much better than the dangerous neighborhood one in Chicago. They make you stay here all day yet don’t allow any food in. Make you pitch it. At least I only lost a bagel and a banana and didn’t have my Yeti or Hydroflask with me (no way was I going to do the long walk back to the car). I can tell my knees are going to be trashed by the end of the day. Got a Pepsi from the machines and was able to get it into juror room.
Forced to wear a mask and now hot flashes all day. They want an unhappy juror, they’ve got one. At least the quality of the people I was waiting in line for security with was much higher. When I had to go to the ghetto Chicago court house years ago, I was in line for security with the female relatives of a murder defendant (sounded like a gang banger from their talk) who were refused entrance as they were dressed like skanks. Hookers they looked like. Boy did they raise a ruckus
iris lilies
12-5-22, 11:40am
Skokie (suburban courthouse) much better than the dangerous neighborhood one in Chicago. They make you stay here all day yet don’t allow any food in. Make you pitch it. At least I only lost a bagel and a banana and didn’t have my Yeti or Hydroflask with me (no way was I going to do the long walk back to the car). I can tell my knees are going to be trashed by the end of the day. Got a Pepsi from the machines and was able to get it into juror room.
Forced to wear a mask and now hot flashes all day. They want an unhappy juror, they’ve got one. At least the quality of the people I was waiting in line for security with was much higher. When I had to go to the ghetto Chicago court house years ago, I was in line for security with the female relatives of a murder defendant (sounded like a gang banger from their talk) who were refused entrance as they were dressed like skanks. Hookers they looked like. Boy did they raise a ruckus
yeah, back in the days when I went to jury duty every few years there were always people from the jury panel excused because they had close relatives in prison or dead from violent crime. Lotsa not so great quality people.
Tradd you have to get out of this jury to do your work to get ready for vacation. If you are chosen for a panel I might advise you to speak up with something outrageous but that could backfire. One neighbor (a bit of a weirdo) decades ago said he always brought a copy of Mein Kempf to read on the panel, holding it up in an obvious way. He claimed he was never chosen for a jury. This is someone who had shot and killed an intruder in his house around the corner from us.
yeah, back in the days when I went to jury duty every few years there were always people from the jury panel excused because they had close relatives in prison or dead from violent crime. Lotsa not so great quality people.
Tradd you have to get out of this jury to do your work to get ready for vacation. If you are chosen for a panel I might advise you to speak up with something outrageous but that could backfire. One neighbor (a bit of a weirdo) decades ago said he always brought a copy of Mein Kempf to read on the panel, holding it up in an obvious way. He claimed he was never chosen for a jury. This is someone who had shot and killed an intruder in his house around the corner from us.
There’s only one jury trial going on today. Unknown yet if it’s civil or criminal. It’s actually pretty quiet here. I pay close attention to the news, which always seems to be considered a bad thing and I’m an NOT impartial.
I’m going to be honest that I have a heavy workload with only one other coworker in my department with a ton of stuff to do before I leave for vacation.
Woo hoo! Done! The defendant in the criminal case pleaded guilty so no need for us. We were just let go Almost noon here.
They upped jury pay to $35/day now.
Woo hoo! Done! The defendant in the criminal case pleaded guilty so no need for us. We were just let go Almost noon here.
Glad to hear it given your schedule. Although I have to admit that I value the two times I was on a jury that went through to a decision.
Glad to hear it given your schedule. Although I have to admit that I value the two times I was on a jury that went through to a decision.
This courthouse works on the one trial one day system. It’s minor criminal stuff as well as civil cases. Another benefit of not going to the ghetto courthouse in Chicago.
iris lilies
12-6-22, 11:17am
This courthouse works on the one trial one day system. It’s minor criminal stuff as well as civil cases. Another benefit of not going to the ghetto courthouse in Chicago.
I have been on several juries, one of the perks (or burdens, depending on your Point of view) of living in crime central.
Two were civil cases, one was criminal. DH was on two juries, one a murder case, one a civil case. He was also on
grand jury duty for 3 months where he went into court most days.
littlebittybobby
1-21-23, 6:07pm
Okay---I got called up fer jerry dooty, and did my patriotic best to Defend Freedom. Er---Not incarcerate some Dom Ass who had committed armed robbery when he was 18 in Callyfornya, but never shot anybody. But, 40 years later, in Zurra, he got into a Domestic Squabble in his own crappy little rental house, resisted arrest and refused to exit the premises when ordered to and not only that--his Domestic Partner told the po-lice he had a gun in his possession! That's Greaaaat. But yeah---I'm the very last person they'd want on a jury, so I got to leave early. The typical selectees were chunky, middle-aged gals in sweat pants who brought along big, thick novels to read during voir dire. So anyway, I followed up on the outcome, and the guy (of 100% pure hillbilly ancestry) is locked up, serving 30 years in Licking, Mo., same place as my former neighbor.. Yup.
Teacher Terry
1-22-23, 8:45pm
In 18 months I will have the excuse of age for not being on a jury if I get called.
catherine
1-22-23, 11:30pm
In 18 months I will have the excuse of age for not being on a jury if I get called.
Really?? I didn't know you could age out of jury duty. What age would that be in Nevada?
Really?? I didn't know you could age out of jury duty. What age would that be in Nevada?
I believe you can opt out at 75 in Washington. I got a notice to report for jury duty about a week before my 75th birthday. There was no way I could have served.
I believe you can opt out at 75 in Washington. I got a notice to report for jury duty about a week before my 75th birthday. There was no way I could have served.
I checked and in Maine it is 80.
Teacher Terry
1-23-23, 12:01pm
In Nevada it’s 70. My friend in Texas turned me onto this as it’s 70 there too.
In Florida, it's also 70. The state seems to have a slant toward older population age anyway, so I wonder if the option to opt out is affecting juror pools. My county median age is 57.3
My mom opted out many years ago due to not driving and being legally blind. She'll be 98 on Wednesday. I think she was around 90 at the time? As an immigrant, she considers jury duty a right and obligation of the citizens and was sad to have to let it go.
I wonder what the future of jury duty pools will look like! I know some time back the persons called for jury duty changed from registered voters to those with a driver license/state is as they were having difficulty fulfilling the need for jurors.
happystuff
1-24-23, 10:19am
I never minded being called for jury duty except for the "pay" issues (other jobs were all no-work-no-pay regardless of why).
I believe you can opt out at 75 in Washington. I got a notice to report for jury duty about a week before my 75th birthday. There was no way I could have served.
Sorry, Jane. No opt out age for me, either.
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iris lilies
1-28-23, 10:52am
Having moved to No .crime Land, it is now highly unlikely I will ever be called to jury duty.
When I was a resident of the city of
st Louis, jury duty was a regular thing.
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