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Do you think people should be forgiven for what they did in the name of covid?
This article has sparked quite a bit of debate on Twitter.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
The early response was on very cautious due to a lack of good information. I have no misgivings about this. I imagine the perspective is different for older people, people in poor health, medical professionals and people with loved ones in nursing homes or other conditions with higher risk of contagion. It's easy to look back and find fault now that it's much better.
Now that most of us have been vaccinated and/or infected, and now that Omicron has shown itself to be a milder virus, I think we can breathe easier. I've decided to just depend on my one J & J shot, take general precautions, and move on.
The folks who marched one fine day in protest against vaccines, masks, contact rules into every medical care facility and grocery store on the island will not be allowed into those places again anytime soon. Sucks to be them.
It's easy now to say "let bygones be bygones, we only acted on what we knew at the time." I get that.
But...
Ask someone who has lost a loved one to the coronavirus--- because they caught it from someone who refused to vaccinate--- how forgiving they feel.
Ask someone who has lost a loved one to the coronavirus--- because they caught it from someone who refused to vaccinate--- how forgiving they feel.
Except that vaccination doesn't keep anyone from catching it and passing it along.
Except that vaccination doesn't keep anyone from catching it and passing it along.
Yes--I think the best we can hope for is that vaccines make death and other horrific outcomes less likely.
ok, how about the health care providers, (trauma nurses, ER doctors, etc.) who treated all the ones who were dying and those dying but begging for the vaccine they had disdained up to that point? How easily forgiving will they be?
I think we all would LOVE to just forgive and forget...just let it go. But there are many who were impacted in an immense way, lifechanging ways. I would think it's pretty presumptuous to ask them to simply forgive and let bygones be bygones. How easy for us to simply forget the absolute nightmares many went through at a time while others were rebuking them even as they worked endless hours to save lives.
Except that vaccination doesn't keep anyone from catching it and passing it along.
Anyone? I think you’re making stuff up again. You’d be correct if you said vaccination didn’t prevent EVERYone from getting it. But anyone? That’s just a lie.
ToomuchStuff
11-9-22, 1:00am
Everyone is normally used on a group, where anyone, is normally used referring to an individual (any one person).
One of our repair companies employees caught it and gave it to his wife. They both died, prevaccine, leaving a 10 year old behind.
As always, this isn't a one size fits all thing, it is the perspective you come from verses someone else.
I agree. Everyone is used when discussing a group of people. If Alan had said ‘vaccination doesn’t protect everyone’ I wouldn’t have an issue. But he said it doesn’t protect anyone. And that’s wrong and BS. And deserves to be called out.
I agree. Everyone is used when discussing a group of people. If Alan had said ‘vaccination doesn’t protect everyone’ I wouldn’t have an issue. But he said it doesn’t protect anyone. And that’s wrong and BS. And deserves to be called out.
Thanks for calling me out on that JP, I can always depend on you to keep my attempts of "misinformation" on any subject interesting.
Watching election returns, one commentator said that the only race influenced by covid policy was in Florida. So it appears the country largely has moved on.
But boy do folks love DeSantis. It was the first race I saw called.
The Republicans would be smart to dump Trump and move on to DeSantis.
Watching election returns, one commentator said that the only race influenced by covid policy was in Florida. So it appears the country largely has moved on.
But boy do folks love DeSantis. It was the first race I saw called.
The Republicans would be smart to dump Trump and move on to DeSantis.
But DeSantis isn't surrounded by the mythology that envelops Trump--like he's the second coming of Christ, for example. :D
But DeSantis isn't surrounded by the mythology that envelops Trump--like he's the second coming of Christ, for example. :D
I agree. Jane put it perfectly. It's a real mythology of Trump as Golden Boy, King Midas, P.T. Barnum, and the Pied Piper to the Promised Land all rolled into one. His ability to mesmerize and inspire is pretty impressive. That's what makes him scary.
ability to mesmerize and inspire
I have to leave the room if I even hear his voice. Absolutely baffles me how he has pulled one over on his devotees.
I have to leave the room if I even hear his voice. Absolutely baffles me how he has pulled one over on his devotees.
He is touching something in a lot of people. Not you or me, for sure.
iris lilies
11-9-22, 6:59pm
….The Republicans would be smart to dump Trump and move on to DeSantis.
Please God let that be the deal.
frugal-one
11-9-22, 8:04pm
I have to leave the room if I even hear his voice. Absolutely baffles me how he has pulled one over on his devotees.
You are not alone.
flowerseverywhere
11-9-22, 10:46pm
But DeSantis isn't surrounded by the mythology that envelops Trump--like he's the second coming of Christ, for example. :D
actually some people disagree with you as evidenced by this campaign ad
https://people.com/politics/ron-desantis-god-made-fighter-ad/
actually some people disagree with you as evidenced by this campaign ad
https://people.com/politics/ron-desantis-god-made-fighter-ad/
Oh dear. Spoke too soon. :doh:
frugal-one
11-10-22, 3:37am
“blasphemy, I tell you…blasphemy!”
iris lilies
11-10-22, 9:05am
Oh dear. Spoke too soon. :doh:
yes, that is a bit…much.
But I didn’t realize Ron DeSantis’ children were so young. He is a young guy.
I find this to be really scary stuff.
And I am a Christian, and love God and seek to serve him.
actually some people disagree with you as evidenced by this campaign ad
https://people.com/politics/ron-desantis-god-made-fighter-ad/
Time to tee up the next Antichrist, I see. Gavin Newsom was ahead of the game when he spent all that money on attack ads in Florida earlier this year.
Time to tee up the next Antichrist, I see. Gavin Newsom was ahead of the game when he spent all that money on attack ads in Florida earlier this year.
Well, if the hoofed shoe fits. . .
iris lilies
11-10-22, 12:16pm
Well, if the hoofed shoe fits. . .
Haha you both made me laugh.
But as that Boston professor says as she analyzes this DeSantis ad, it is not intended to be for the mainstream. This fits with my view of Ron Desantis as being savvy.
A Desantis vs. Newsom standoff would be epic! I am here for it.
Haha you both made me laugh.
But as that Boston professor says as she analyzes this DeSantis ad, it is not intended to be for the mainstream. This fits with my view of Ron Desantis as being savvy.
A Desantis vs. Newsom standoff would be epic! I am here for it.
If would definitely be a referendum on Team Reality vs Team Lockdown.
Note that people are moving out of one state and into the other.
frugal-one
11-10-22, 6:34pm
Haha you both made me laugh.
But as that Boston professor says as she analyzes this DeSantis ad, it is not intended to be for the mainstream. This fits with my view of Ron Desantis as being savvy.
A Desantis vs. Newsom standoff would be epic! I am here for it.
Huh? Trying to be like trump and just cater to his base (whatever that may be). Doesn’t fit the definition of savvy.
DeSantis does seem to be emerging as the practical path away from Trump. The hatred toward him being expressed both by Trump and the fervently anti-Trump faction seems like pretty solid evidence of that. The man does appear to have all the right enemies.
DeSantis does seem to be emerging as the practical path away from Trump. The hatred toward him being expressed both by Trump and the fervently anti-Trump faction seems like pretty solid evidence of that. The man does appear to have all the right enemies.
I like Rand Paul too but I don't think he can win the nomination.
iris lilies
11-11-22, 1:37pm
I like Rand Paul too but I don't think he can win the nomination.
Leave Rand where he is, an influential youngish senator.
catherine
11-11-22, 1:39pm
Haha you both made me laugh.
But as that Boston professor says as she analyzes this DeSantis ad, it is not intended to be for the mainstream. This fits with my view of Ron Desantis as being savvy.
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Yes, when I saw it, my market research brain said that this is a targeted campaign based on a segmentation study, and one of the key segments they uncovered with a high market value is the Evangelicals or something like that. It should play really well to them.
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