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gimmethesimplelife
3-30-23, 6:28pm
indicted by a Grand Jury. WOW! Whoever would have thought Donald Trump would be held accountable for anything? Rob

gimmethesimplelife
3-30-23, 6:48pm
Maybe I'll get to wear my Trump imprisoned outfit after all. Rob

bae
3-30-23, 7:02pm
Wake me up when they convict him.

Tradd
3-30-23, 7:41pm
Wish this would keep him from running again, but it apparently doesn’t.

Rogar
3-30-23, 7:57pm
Yippee. A ding in his veracity and rectitude regardless of the outcome.

iris lilies
3-30-23, 8:11pm
I wish they could’ve got him stone cold on January 6 events.

I really don’t care about a state charge having to do with him schlepping some girl and wanting to keep it quiet.

jp1
3-30-23, 9:45pm
I wish they could’ve got him stone cold on January 6 events.

I really don’t care about a state charge having to do with him schlepping some girl and wanting to keep it quiet.

You say that as if this is the only legal problem he faces. There are still five other investigations into his activities, all of which may result in indictments.

iris lilies
3-30-23, 10:28pm
You say that as if this is the only legal problem he faces. There are still five other investigations into his activities, all of which may result in indictments.
But jp, are they charges I care about?

JaneV2.0
3-30-23, 11:22pm
I like the Georgia case where he tried to shake down Brad Raffensperger, much like he tried to shake down President Zelenskyy, assuming that either of them would lie for him. He apparently thinks everyone is as venal as he is.

Apparently, DeSantis is ready to defy New York to prevent extradition of Trump if it comes to that. My God.

jp1
3-31-23, 6:43am
But jp, are they charges I care about?

I’ll leave it to you to read up on those investigations and decide for yourself. Until they play themselves out fully the best answer anyone can give you is maybe. And given that Donald trump’s main legal strategies are obfuscate and delay EVERYTHING to the maximum level possible it’s anyone’s guess how long the process will take for the other five investigations.

catherine
3-31-23, 7:33am
This is going to backfire. This is like the the Brits issuing a tax on tea in 1773. The idea of Trump being indicted for something sleazy, but otherwise low-level on the scale of criminal offenses, clearly for political purposes, is not going to work. It already has galvanized even my DH who says that he will take action in support of Trump if this goes further. I don't think he'll be alone.

I know it sounds crazy, but that's what I think. One good thing is only 20 people showed up at Mar-A-Lago in support of him yesterday.

Rogar
3-31-23, 7:52am
My morning news with a supposed legal expert said that for a normal person this wouldn't go to trial for a year. For Trump and his lawyers, 2-3 years. A lot can happen between now and then. They said knowing DJT,a plea deal is unlikely, and that he will enjoy the spectacle. I guess we can sit back in our chairs.

jp1
3-31-23, 7:59am
This is going to backfire. This is like the the Brits issuing a tax on tea in 1773. The idea of Trump being indicted for something sleazy, but otherwise low-level on the scale of criminal offenses, clearly for political purposes, is not going to work. It already has galvanized even my DH who says that he will take action in support of Trump if this goes further. I don't think he'll be alone.

I know it sounds crazy, but that's what I think. One good thing is only 20 people showed up at Mar-A-Lago in support of him yesterday.

I’m curious. Will your husband continue to support him if Ann/all of the five other investigations result in indictments?

Honestly I’m fascinated by the people who think that Clinton’s consensual blowjob actually deserved an impeachment but think everything trump did deserves a pass.

catherine
3-31-23, 8:32am
I’m curious. Will your husband continue to support him if Ann/all of the five other investigations result in indictments?

Honestly I’m fascinated by the people who think that Clinton’s consensual blowjob actually deserved an impeachment but think everything trump did deserves a pass.

I don't know. He always teeters on Trump is an a$$*** on one side and "poor Trump--abused by the left-wing media" on the other. He also sometimes feels drawn to the right wing policies on an emotional level but if you ask him if you think guns should be regulated or healthcare should be universal, he'll say yes.

Well, this was not meant to be a political profile of my husband, but I think that there are certain elements of the "poor Trump v the Left Wing Establishment" narrative that grabs him and I think many people feel that way. Unfortunately, the underlying emotional response can be a dangerous ember just waiting to be fanned.

iris lilies
3-31-23, 8:49am
This is going to backfire. This is like the the Brits issuing a tax on tea in 1773. The idea of Trump being indicted for something sleazy, but otherwise low-level on the scale of criminal offenses, clearly for political purposes, is not going to work. It already has galvanized even my DH who says that he will take action in support of Trump if this goes further. I don't think he'll be alone.

I know it sounds crazy, but that's what I think. One good thing is only 20 people showed up at Mar-A-Lago in support of him yesterday.
Oh, Catherine, I agree with you. What a stupid move to keep Trump in front of the news cameras and give him traction.
Well, Donald is good for big news media business so bless their hearts, let them make lots of money off of this stupidity.

iris lilies
3-31-23, 8:55am
I’m curious. Will your husband continue to support him if Ann/all of the five other investigations result in indictments?

Honestly I’m fascinated by the people who think that Clinton’s consensual blowjob actually deserved an impeachment but think everything trump did deserves a pass.

The problem with you folks JP is that you keep explaining Bill Clinton’s transgressions leading to impeachment as he had a consensual blow job in the White House. You know very well that’s not what the charges were.

That’s like me saying, Missouri Governor Grietens was brought down because he took nude photos of his mistress. You yourself ranted that wasn’t the charge, the charge was a threat that she not reveal their affair.

If you would like to expound on hypocrites who opine about politicians and their secret girlfriends, please include yourself in that group. Thank you.

Alan
3-31-23, 10:06am
Does anyone see a problem with this tweet from Nancy Pelosi?

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This is why Catherine's husband is right, a terrifyingly large portion of our citizens seem to have this backward view of justice and our government and justice system seems to be exploiting it for political gain. I think anyone speaking out against it are the true anti-fascists.

bae
3-31-23, 10:23am
Do jury instructions typically use the phrase “prove innocence”, except in the negative?

jp1
3-31-23, 11:21am
The problem with you folks JP is that you keep explaining Bill Clinton’s transgressions leading to impeachment as he had a consensual blow job in the White House. You know very well that’s not what the charges were.

That’s like me saying, Missouri Governor Grietens was brought down because he took nude photos of his mistress. You yourself ranted that wasn’t the charge, the charge was a threat that she not reveal their affair.

If you would like to expound on hypocrites who opine about politicians and their secret girlfriends, please include yourself in that group. Thank you.

If the investigation into clinton had been about secret girlfriends then asking about the blowjob would've made sense. Instead it was a fishing expedition.

And catherine is right, no one else would be subjected to an investigation into hush money payments that were used to attempt to change the results of a presidential election. Because no one else has done that except John Edwards. And he was able to win his case with a defense of "I was trying to keep it secret from my dying wife, not from the voters", which was born out by the fact that he continued payments after the election was over.

jp1
3-31-23, 12:16pm
Judging from the responses of multiple house reps it’s clear that the Republican Party has gone full MAGA. It truly is trump’s party now. A party that lacks confidence that our justice system actually works. And a party that thinks former presidents are above the law. I realize they made that clear last week when they talked of making a law that specifically exempts former presidents from the law but they have made it quite explicit in the past 24 hours that they very much believe that’s the case. It will be interesting to watch that continue if/when trump gets indicted for the attempted coup he led, or the national secrets he stole or the election fraud charges he’s being investigated for in Georgia. Indictments for one or more of those seems more likely today than they did yesterday now that the history breaking act of a former president being indicted for anything has occurred.

LDAHL
3-31-23, 1:34pm
If the investigation into clinton had been about secret girlfriends then asking about the blowjob would've made sense. Instead it was a fishing expedition.

And catherine is right, no one else would be subjected to an investigation into hush money payments that were used to attempt to change the results of a presidential election. Because no one else has done that except John Edwards. And he was able to win his case with a defense of "I was trying to keep it secret from my dying wife, not from the voters", which was born out by the fact that he continued payments after the election was over.

He was found not guilty on one charge. The other charges resulted in a mistrial, which the Justice Department elected not to retry.

flowerseverywhere
3-31-23, 4:33pm
Maybe we should wait for the charges. "unnamed sources" are saying there are over 30 charges. Which could be true. Or not. Look at what was uncovered during the Dominion trial.

I imagine with all the testimony and records they have pursued We could all be speculating on the wrong issue. how can we know what they found until they tell us?

Rogar
3-31-23, 9:20pm
Judging from the responses of multiple house reps it’s clear that the Republican Party has gone full MAGA. It truly is trump’s party now. A party that lacks confidence that our justice system actually works. And a party that thinks former presidents are above the law...

Could be. I think they're just playing the game of thrones. I don't think the justice system has anything to do with it.

jp1
3-31-23, 11:13pm
Could be. I think they're just playing the game of thrones. I don't think the justice system has anything to do with it.

It seems like there are 3 possibilities. 1) they think that they need to support trump no matter what because without his supporters they will lose, 2) they truly think a former president is above the law. This has been the case since Nixon so the idea that one of them is going to be held accountable is terrifying, or 3) they don’t think the justice system works. We’ve all watched the jury duty video about how the justice system always delivers a fair result but they don’t believe it.

None of these is an attractive look. But the Republican Party seemed to give up on worrying about that some time ago. Winning at all costs is their current style.

littlebittybobby
4-1-23, 10:29am
Okay---Winning at all costs is those demmmacratzes' current style. Yup. So anyway---The Donald is a creation of The Media. He's been a long-running TV miniseries for the last 25 or 30 years. So yeah--The Donald has been enabled to call attention to himself. That said---He's become a lightening-rod for citizens on both sides in a civil war in slow-motion. Yup. See? Stay Tuned.

Rogar
4-1-23, 10:51pm
It seems like there are 3 possibilities. 1) they think that they need to support trump no matter what because without his supporters they will lose, 2) they truly think a former president is above the law. This has been the case since Nixon so the idea that one of them is going to be held accountable is terrifying, or 3) they don’t think the justice system works. We’ve all watched the jury duty video about how the justice system always delivers a fair result but they don’t believe it.

None of these is an attractive look. But the Republican Party seemed to give up on worrying about that some time ago. Winning at all costs is their current style.

I'm sort of in the means justifies the end camp. Trump is still GOP and they are trying to save the reputation of the party for upcoming elections regardless of the justice system, because their issues are more important than justice. Plus, he's still popular somewhere. As hard as it it to believe, the media says he's the current front runner or neck and neck with Desantis for GOP 2024. I don't think this is going to make much of a dent in his popularity, plus any other charges he's facing will drag well past the elections. There is an element of fear for retributions.

Rogar
4-3-23, 7:40pm
Evening news says the judge could impose a "gag order". That could be fun.

gimmethesimplelife
4-4-23, 9:21am
It's looking more and more as if I WILL get to wear my assembled outfits for history making Trump drama/criminal charges. I don't have the time to be politically involved as I used to be - but I will certainly dress up for Trump's downfall and to see this country actually working for once - meaning that DJT is actually not above the law, after all. Rob

ToomuchStuff
4-4-23, 10:09am
indicted by a Grand Jury. WOW! Whoever would have thought Donald Trump would be held accountable for anything? Rob
Wonder if you still going to believe he was held accountable if/when found not guilty.

Do jury instructions typically use the phrase “prove innocence”, except in the negative?
I understand in civil asset forfeiture cases, innocence must be proven (flips typical cases)


Judging from the responses of multiple house reps it’s clear that the Republican Party has gone full MAGA. It truly is trump’s party now. A party that lacks confidence that our justice system actually works. And a party that thinks former presidents are above the law. I realize they made that clear last week when they talked of making a law that specifically exempts former presidents from the law but they have made it quite explicit in the past 24 hours that they very much believe that’s the case. It will be interesting to watch that continue if/when trump gets indicted for the attempted coup he led, or the national secrets he stole or the election fraud charges he’s being investigated for in Georgia. Indictments for one or more of those seems more likely today than they did yesterday now that the history breaking act of a former president being indicted for anything has occurred.

Really believe the full Maga thing is a fundraising thing, that both parties do (let no tragedy go to waste).
Tell me anyone who believes our "Justice" system actually works? We have a legal system, but even the original poster in this forum, as well as many others from their posts, don't believe the "Justice" system actually provides justice.
I think Congress generally believes, THEY are the justice system for Presidents (even ex), via impeachment, etc.

Simone
4-8-23, 12:45am
I really don’t care about a state charge having to do with him schlepping some girl and wanting to keep it quiet.

I think you mean schtupping, not schlepping. Otherwise, I agree with you!

Tybee
4-8-23, 8:27am
Yeah, if he was schlepping girls that's a completely different charge.

LDAHL
4-8-23, 9:30am
Unless it involved schlepping them across state lines.

iris lilies
4-8-23, 9:54am
I think you mean schtupping, not schlepping. Otherwise, I agree with you!
You are right! My Yiddish is poor, well, I only became Jewish at age 40 when my mother converted so that’s my excuse.

Portuguese John Here
4-8-23, 3:07pm
I'm a little bit leftist, and I like Donald Trump, he ain't afraid to say what's difficult to say, he had money for his campaign, so he wasn't doing what the corporate pigs wanted him to do, he was a corporate pig himself. That game is about 70% of what the senate is doing, getting funds from people with money to win the next election, favors they'll collect later. But, just to express how leftist I am, I was discussing right now with a family member the news that's on every online platform right now about Brad Pitt.

Apparently he has given a house to an old man for years. Well, the old man wasn't living with him, sharing the same table, Bradly just bought a whole neighborhood for himself, for nearly forty million dollars, no one should be able to do that, one house, one person, that's it, and that old man had a house in that monstrosity of land, that now belonged to Bradley Pitts, and he let that old man live there without paying rent. I'm the kind of person that doesn't consider this solidarity, I consider this a duty, something you just do. I don't believe in rich people solidarity, I consider solidarity when you give something you'd miss, and they don't miss, because they have too much, and in a world with justice, they shouldn't. Anyway, just to express how leftist I can be, and still like Donald Trump. If I were American, I'd vote for him, and I don't vote.

iris lilies
4-8-23, 4:02pm
Why, thank you John.

DJ Trump DID fund a large part if his primary campaign himself, but that brought him freedom from GOP rules I reckon.

Brad Pitt is from Springfield, missouri. Maybe littlebittybobby knows him and can comment.

Most people around those parts have a Brad story.

frugal-one
4-8-23, 5:26pm
I'm a little bit leftist, and I like Donald Trump, he ain't afraid to say what's difficult to say, he had money for his campaign, so he wasn't doing what the corporate pigs wanted him to do, he was a corporate pig himself. That game is about 70% of what the senate is doing, getting funds from people with money to win the next election, favors they'll collect later. But, just to express how leftist I am, I was discussing right now with a family member the news that's on every online platform right now about Brad Pitt.

Apparently he has given a house to an old man for years. Well, the old man wasn't living with him, sharing the same table, Bradly just bought a whole neighborhood for himself, for nearly forty million dollars, no one should be able to do that, one house, one person, that's it, and that old man had a house in that monstrosity of land, that now belonged to Bradley Pitts, and he let that old man live there without paying rent. I'm the kind of person that doesn't consider this solidarity, I consider this a duty, something you just do. I don't believe in rich people solidarity, I consider solidarity when you give something you'd miss, and they don't miss, because they have too much, and in a world with justice, they shouldn't. Anyway, just to express how leftist I can be, and still like Donald Trump. If I were American, I'd vote for him, and I don't vote.

A president that was impeached twice and has how many lawsuits against him? Yeah, someone to admire.... NOT! He swindled his workers who worked on his buildings, refusing to pay them the money they were due (when asked, he did not deny but only commented that he did not realize they were Polish), he swindled those from trump university... never gave them what was promised or refunded their money. How many times has he gone bankrupt? How many people died because he could or would not admit to COVID? trump provoked mob violence on Jan 6th and people died, he called for his VP to be hung...I could go on and on.... hopefully one of the many current lawsuits against him will stick and he gets his just penance!

littlebittybobby
4-8-23, 6:40pm
Okay---I don't know anyone famous, from around here, but 20 years ago, I went to a funeral, and a former congressman was attending. He was a friend of the departeds' family. Plus, years before that, I happened upon a rally given by a candy-date for congerss, and the speaker was Kathy "Peggy Sue Got Married" Turner. But, that's it. I'm a nobody. Yup. So anyway---if somebody manages to publish a manifesto--titled: what do to if Trump Doesn't win---I may purchase a copy. We'll see. Thing is--he'd be good. But yeah---it would be four more years of non-stop Trump-bashing by these idiots. The main reason I support him, in some fashion---is the caliber of the people who detest him. Ha. But yeah---be nice if he'd have some White house pett catts and a tame Huskee or two. Yup. Also, ?I've been to the local syn-o-gogue, several times. Not during services, tho. It was a stop on byke rides. Everyone was nice, no hate. I'd actually join, but it's too complicated. Because I just don't care for a religion(Xtiaanity) based on a torture-execution, with such a history of violence. See? Hope that helps you kidds some.5335

Portuguese John Here
4-9-23, 5:22am
A president that was impeached twice and has how many lawsuits against him? Yeah, someone to admire.... NOT!
I don't admire the man, I don't even agree with... maybe... 80% of what he says, but I'd vote for him. But, he's serious about what he wants, and he tells it, not like it is, but how he think it is... but he tells it, there ain't hypocrisy in his voice, something that all the others in recent years had too many. Take Obama, great man, I liked the guy, made Libya the greatest slave market on earth, a sheep is more expensive that a living human being over there, all because of Gaddafi, who was a dictator, yes, but made Libya a great place to live, wanted to build a river, so people could all have free water, paid education abroad to any resident who wanted to, same with health care, anything a human being needed that he couldn't provide, he paid so that person could have abroad, and they killed him, on the streets, they butchered him, and all because he was trying to make a currency of the Arabic world to sell the oil, something that isn't in our best interest to be honest. Obama, that made the US the only place on earth where the food industry could sell a genetically modified product without labeling it accordingly, why? I'm not an American, I know a little bit about certain things that happen over there, and I know who really runs things, and Trump, considering he has money to run a campaign by himself, is a great choice to change things, no other will be able to, they won't let them. Putin, what a very bad example, once said: I've met most of the US presidents in recent years, they all come with humanitarian ideas, but once the "men in black suits" come and tell them how things work, everything changes, they become like all the others. Trump can be an obstacle to progress, and I'm not sure yet if I'm in favor of the progress our society is trying to achieve. About Brad Pitt, I like him, as an actor and person, but he has too much money, money made by entertaining us, distracting us, from things like these, giving a house to an old man ain't something we must cheer, is something we should demand, not from the jokers near the kings, but from the kings themselves. They have the value we give them.

Rogar
4-9-23, 8:01am
A lot of people liked Trump for his policies and ways of doing politics, but not Trump as a person. That's why he's still popular. I have troubles separating the two, and don't care for either. He is a habitual liar on things like climate change and covid that endanger the health of the nation and the planet. He played at least a part in what some could say was a failed coup to over throw democracy. His inner circles has had a number of criminals that have been convicted of multiple crimes . He's a hate monger who has contributed to divisions among race and gander that could extend into domestic violence. Those are some pretty basic failures that make others seem trivial. There's plenty to say against Trump, but yes, he does still carry some appeal.

Portuguese John Here
4-9-23, 9:37am
People are divided themselves, it's not Trump's fault. We are making certain things unacceptable, and in that process we're restringing freedom of speech, and what's funny to me is, the ones who are out loud more in favor of freedom of speech, are the ones restringing it, ostracizing people who don't abide by their beliefs and lifestyle. You can't force people to accept what they don't accept, you can't force a southern, who was taught to handle a gun at the age of five, to kill a deer at the age of ten, to skin it, cook it, eat it, to become vegan because you say it's the right thing to do, because deer are cute and shouldn't be killed, but to plant certain things a vegan eats, you kill every single thing that walks the field.

The whole Bud Lights thing... you can't make people that were raised with that sense of masculinity to accept transgender, or whatever you want to call it. You don't like them, they're bigots, okay, they're the ones fighting wars, doing what you can't do... you don't accept wars, well, many Ukrainians didn't as well, but they have to fight, because, in the end of the day, words are words, and people will make you jump, and defend the only thing you have, your life, the words become meaningless, but people haven't yet understood that.

There's a large group of people that work hard, raise families, keep the wheel spinning, they're seeing their values being mocked, and Trump says to everyone listening what they think, and no one dares to say anymore, people are afraid, this snowflake's era full of rhetoric of right and wrong, because they're too comfortable, they don't know hardship, they didn't have to fight any war, didn't have any great depression, their belly is full, and they're full of time to think.

Accept people for what they are, that's it, even if they don't accept you, that is who they are. There's a great scene, I just love it, from one of my favorite American directors, Jim Jarmusch, the movie is called The Dead Don't Die, where Steve Buscemi plays a racist character named Frank, he's in the cafeteria alongside with Danny Glover, drinking their coffee, Frank (Steve's character) wearing a MAGA hat, but it says instead: "Make America White Again". The waitress asks Frank (Steve's character): "You want more coffee?" and he replies: "No, that coffee is too black for me." and Danny (the character) looks at him, not a stitch of anything, no altercation, no nothing, and they keep drinking their coffee until Frank leaves, and Danny (the character) says something like "Take care Frank". People all of a sudden became infuriated by things, they want everyone to bend to their ideology, but why, just why. Just let people be who they are.

frugal-one
4-9-23, 10:58am
I don't admire the man, I don't even agree with... maybe... 80% of what he says, but I'd vote for him. But, he's serious about what he wants, and he tells it, not like it is, but how he think it is... but he tells it, there ain't hypocrisy in his voice, something that all the others in recent years had too many. Take Obama, great man, I liked the guy, made Libya the greatest slave market on earth, a sheep is more expensive that a living human being over there, all because of Gaddafi, who was a dictator, yes, but made Libya a great place to live, wanted to build a river, so people could all have free water, paid education abroad to any resident who wanted to, same with health care, anything a human being needed that he couldn't provide, he paid so that person could have abroad, and they killed him, on the streets, they butchered him, and all because he was trying to make a currency of the Arabic world to sell the oil, something that isn't in our best interest to be honest. Obama, that made the US the only place on earth where the food industry could sell a genetically modified product without labeling it accordingly, why? I'm not an American, I know a little bit about certain things that happen over there, and I know who really runs things, and Trump, considering he has money to run a campaign by himself, is a great choice to change things, no other will be able to, they won't let them. Putin, what a very bad example, once said: I've met most of the US presidents in recent years, they all come with humanitarian ideas, but once the "men in black suits" come and tell them how things work, everything changes, they become like all the others. Trump can be an obstacle to progress, and I'm not sure yet if I'm in favor of the progress our society is trying to achieve. About Brad Pitt, I like him, as an actor and person, but he has too much money, money made by entertaining us, distracting us, from things like these, giving a house to an old man ain't something we must cheer, is something we should demand, not from the jokers near the kings, but from the kings themselves. They have the value we give them.


This makes no sense.

Alan
4-9-23, 11:10am
This makes no sense.
Maybe not to you, but I think John did a pretty good job of vocalizing how a person can not particularly like a politicians personality but can still prefer their political accomplishments (or lack of) to other politicians or ideologies. I think it shows a level of maturity sorely lacking in our current political climate.

Tybee
4-9-23, 11:32am
This makes no sense.

This did not make sense to me, either.

jp1
4-9-23, 11:57am
I judge people by the content of their character and someone who is ok with a failed president who lost reelection attempting to overthrow the government doesn't have good content in their character. At least in my opinion.

iris lilies
4-9-23, 12:03pm
This did not make sense to me, either.
You can’t separate a politician’s persona from his policy accomplishments? I am not talking about Trump, and I don’t mean that one MUST separate personality from action while in political office.

It is entirely possible that a politician’s awful persona and personal life choices are so repugnant that they overshadow the rest of it even if he’s done a good job according to my criteria.

in an ideal world, we could have the entire package, but in our world, where the politicians are not the greatest, we seldom do. I favor how a politician is doing at the job, and I’m not so interested in his personal life.

Tybee
4-9-23, 12:37pm
I never saw anything so horrifying in my life as January 6. The idea that anyone would vote for Trump after that day is deeply abhorrent to me.

gimmethesimplelife
4-9-23, 4:40pm
I never saw anything so horrifying in my life as January 6. The idea that anyone would vote for Trump after that day is deeply abhorrent to me.Agreed. January 6th was a display of third world type societal instability. It boggles my mind that women voted for him the first time around right after his "grab 'em" comment. It also floors me that Trump has any support whatsoever after January 6th. Rob

frugal-one
4-9-23, 8:42pm
Agreed. January 6th was a display of third world type societal instability. It boggles my mind that women voted for him the first time around right after his "grab 'em" comment. It also floors me that Trump has any support whatsoever after January 6th. Rob

And, so many other things... his mimicking of disabled veterans (also said McCain should never been captured.. from a guy who lied to get out of service). trump's over 30,000 documented lies, his name calling of people... geez.. How many people died because he was a covid denier even though he was given documented proof?the list goes on and on of his personality and political failures.

gimmethesimplelife
4-9-23, 9:10pm
And, so many other things... his mimicking of disabled veterans (also said McCain should never been captured.. from a guy who lied to get out of service). trump's over 30,000 documented lies, his name calling of people... geez.. How many people died because he was a covid denier even though he was given documented proof?the list goes on and on of his personality and political failures.My take as to Trump's most vicious and low class/trashy act was his.mocking of a disabled reporter right before the 2016 election. And still Americans - enough of them - voted him in, anyway.

A few days after the election I spent an afternoon sobbing - I'm not much of a crier but that afternoon I was. I cried not so.much for Trump winning but due to human nature and due to it seeming like after two horrific world wars, the human race has not learned much. I also have always felt a bond with Hillary Clinton. We're both Scorpios and we can both enter a roomful of people and cut through layers of BS in.zero to 60. Rob

Rogar
4-9-23, 9:10pm
With due respect, maybe there is a point of perspective from other places where his style of politics could be admirable and an improvement over the corruption and lies that they have.

jp1
4-9-23, 9:30pm
With due respect, maybe there is a point of perspective from other places where his style of politics could be admirable and an improvement over the corruption and lies that they have.

True. There are undoubtedly people in other countries who are glad that their existing government was overthrown by a sad sack loser of an election. And apparently plenty of people in America who would also be pleased with that result. Personally I will forever judge them traitors to our country. Other Americans will judge that a minor awkwardness to be ignored at the next senate election and view the potential future tax cuts they will receive to be of more importance. Different people have different priorities.

Rogar
4-9-23, 9:35pm
True. There are undoubtedly people in other countries who are glad that their existing government was overthrown by a sad sack loser of an election. And apparently plenty of people in America who would also be pleased with that result. Personally I will forever judge them traitors to our country. Other Americans will judge that a minor awkwardness to be ignored at the next senate election and view the potential future tax cuts they will receive to be of more importance. Different people have different priorities.

Oh, I forgot to mention poor economies that require support from a central banking authority with more prosperous countries, where Trump could be an improvement. He sure was all about money. And a weak military budget that could scarcely resist an attack. It could be just a matter of perspective.

jp1
4-9-23, 9:51pm
I struggle to find a perspective where any decent American views overthrowingbthe American government as a potentially good alternative. Obviously others disagree with me on that, considering that 25% of Americans still support that ugly human being but other than economic bitterness and white victimhood none has offered up a particularly compelling reason that I’ve seen.

Rogar
4-9-23, 10:52pm
No argument, but I think you're looking at Trump through American eyes. It's possible he could thrive with great popularity and success in many weak third and second world countries.

jp1
4-10-23, 12:16am
No argument, but I think you're looking at Trump through American eyes. It's possible he could thrive with great popularity and success in many weak third and second world countries.

You’re probably right. And hopefully predictive of the future.

littlebittybobby
4-11-23, 9:52am
This makes no sense.Okay---I spose you'd rather have HITLER for Presydent!5338

Portuguese John Here
4-16-23, 7:14am
With due respect, maybe there is a point of perspective from other places where his style of politics could be admirable and an improvement over the corruption and lies that they have.

I'm not sure if this comment was exactly intended to me. I don't believe anyone from America could make this point, I, and almost everyone in Europe, have free health care, free education, the prices of what corporations provide are negotiated, not what they demand. You have a physical problem, the state takes care of that problem. You have a child that wants to learn more, the state pays for that education. The way we see it, Americans have been brainwashed by politicians to implement measures that go against human rights for too long. You people dare to call Bernie Sanders, Crazy Bernie. The measures he talks about, are human rights over here.

About Trump, and how Americans view him, you'll have to excuse me if my opinion is not entirely founded on something, like I said, I'm from Europe, I don't follow the American political climate very closely, I don't even follow my domestic to be honest, I gain so much in tranquility by doing so. I'm a little bit like John Muir, the famous American conservationist, when he said: "I am losing precious days. I am degenerating into a machine for making money. I am learning nothing in this trivial world of men. I must break away and get out into the mountains to learn the news."

I see Americans talk about what they see on the news, and what the news commentators tell them to be mad about, that has no relevance whatsoever, it's all about defending rights: handicap rights, LGBT rights, cats and dogs right, it has importance, but it's used nowadays to distract from what is really important, I don't know how, so many can't see it, I'll keep talking about this under (1), read the rest. Why aren't people talking about the time Trump went to small business owners in New York City, that's why New Yorkers hate him so much, when Trump incited them to provide him a service, although they said they weren't equipped to do so, he was a big shot, they were small business owners providing for their family. Trump told them to put their house and business in the banks, get the money, buy the materials, provide the service, and they would be rich. Many, so many, did so, and when it was time to pay, he didn't. Many became homeless, lost their house, lost their business, lost their marriage, while he was getting mega rich, and that's why I hate rich people, because people don't see what they had to do to become rich. Trump is the typical guy from New York making it by stepping on everyone, it's dog eats dog, and in our current days, it's needed. He recently said that he'd stop the war in Ukraine in 24 hours, somehow, I believe him, because he ain't crazy, but he plays very well that role.

(1) Defending certain rights, it takes a change in mentality, not polices. In Europe, certain things simply are, because the mentality is different, it starts by the way people are raised, and the influences they have. Certain things simply change almost by themselves, and making people battle each other to make changes is distracting them from something that matters, that everyone would agree on, but they don't want to see them being changed. If people are battling, maybe it ain't time to change, although maybe they should.

Teacher Terry
4-16-23, 10:02am
Trump stiffing the little guy is nothing new unfortunately. It’s nice that Europe has many free benefits however there’s a high taxation rate to pay for it sometimes up to 50% that Americans have no appetite for. My DIL’s standard of living is much higher in the USA working as a cocktail waitress than when she was a high school French teacher in Poland.

Portuguese John Here
4-16-23, 11:01am
It’s nice that Europe has many free benefits however there’s a high taxation rate to pay for it sometimes up to 50% (...)

Yes, in Portugal they can reach to 48% for those who receive more than €78.834 annually.
The majority I'd say is between 21.00 and 26.50%. The point is everyone contributing, those who get more, pay more.
Americans do not agree with this, because they were taught to believe that one day they'll be rich, the land of opportunity.
Until that day comes, which for the majority of cases is never, the rich become richer, the poor become miserable.
I won't accept 10% owning 90% of the stock while the rest is afraid to go to the doctor because of the incoming bill.

ToomuchStuff
4-16-23, 5:19pm
I'm not sure if this comment was exactly intended to me. I don't believe anyone from America could make this point, I, and almost everyone in Europe, have free health care, free education, the prices of what corporations provide are negotiated, not what they demand. You have a physical problem, the state takes care of that problem. You have a child that wants to learn more, the state pays for that education. The way we see it, Americans have been brainwashed by politicians to implement measures that go against human rights for too long. You people dare to call Bernie Sanders, Crazy Bernie. The measures he talks about, are human rights over here.


(1) Defending certain rights, it takes a change in mentality, not polices. In Europe, certain things simply are, because the mentality is different, it starts by the way people are raised, and the influences they have. Certain things simply change almost by themselves, and making people battle each other to make changes is distracting them from something that matters, that everyone would agree on, but they don't want to see them being changed. If people are battling, maybe it ain't time to change, although maybe they should.

It takes both. To have state funded healthcare and education, money would have to come from somewhere, most likely the defense budget, which means so many other countries would actually have to increase their own defense budgets instead of relying on us funding NATO and such.

catherine
4-16-23, 5:32pm
Yes, in Portugal they can reach to 48% for those who receive more than €78.834 annually.
The majority I'd say is between 21.00 and 26.50%. The point is everyone contributing, those who get more, pay more.
Americans do not agree with this, because they were taught to believe that one day they'll be rich, the land of opportunity.
Until that day comes, which for the majority of cases is never, the rich become richer, the poor become miserable.
I won't accept 10% owning 90% of the stock while the rest is afraid to go to the doctor because of the incoming bill.

I agree with you. And I agree with your point about people calling Bernie "Crazy Bernie" when he is simply espousing the policies that countries like yours are implementing which ensure that all people can enjoy a decent quality of life..

Portuguese John Here
4-16-23, 6:15pm
They are already implemented, at least most of them, some a long time ago.

Some of his police’s were:


Free health care
Free education
Free meals at schools
Support several months of paid leave
Tax the 1% and reduce taxes to lower and middle class
Legalize abortion
Background check to gun owners
Ban assault rifles
No large bank with worth 3% of GDP
Make a shift to renewable energies, 40% by 2040
Pay farmers to adopt climate friendly practices
Charge company by the carbon emissions
Abolish death penalty


I live in one of the poorest European countries. Free health care since 1979. Free education. Free meals at schools. Paid leave, five months to a mother, the father can as well. Sick paid leave can last a year. Abortion is not illegal since 1984, legal since 1998, in the probably most catholic country in Europe alongside Spain. You basically can’t almost own a weapon, it’s difficult to do so, assault rifles just in video games. Last year our green produced energy was 60%, America is talking about 40% in almost 20 years. I’m one of those farmers paid to produce organic, without damaging the soil and biodiversity. Death penalty abolished in 1867.

Bernie ain’t radical, he’s just right. If we go to Northern Europe, they’re way more ahead, we’re considered the ass of Europe, because we’re behind.

Teacher Terry
4-16-23, 11:31pm
The difference between Europe and the United States is that we are huge with much more diversity so it’s much harder to find common values and agreement. Poland unfortunately has gone backwards in reproductive rights as abortion was legal and now it’s illegal. Plus as JP pointed out we spent a fortune on nato, defense and helping other countries.

Rogar
4-17-23, 9:22am
The difference between Europe and the United States is that we are huge with much more diversity so it’s much harder to find common values and agreement. Poland unfortunately has gone backwards in reproductive rights as abortion was legal and now it’s illegal. Plus as JP pointed out we spent a fortune on nato, defense and helping other countries.

All having some truth to it. However, I see the biggest difference in a majority of people wanting the freedom to determine how they spend their money, rather than being taxed and redistributed for public welfare. So instead we have big cars, big houses, luxury vacations, excessive consumption, etc. And since we have a lot of wealth where many people that vote and can afford most things anyway, why change? It's the American way.

Teacher Terry
4-17-23, 9:34am
Europeans can’t have big houses and cars because of land constraints in cities but flaunt their wealth in expensive clothes and meeting people at restaurants often to gather, etc.

LDAHL
4-17-23, 2:52pm
Europeans can’t have big houses and cars because of land constraints in cities but flaunt their wealth in expensive clothes and meeting people at restaurants often to gather, etc.

Status anxiety knows no nationality.

Portuguese John Here
4-22-23, 2:40pm
Europeans can’t have big houses and cars because of land constraints in cities but flaunt their wealth in expensive clothes and meeting people at restaurants often to gather, etc.
The social aspect is very important in Europe, even more important in the Southern countries, like Italy, Spain, Greece, Portugal.
For instance, in the northern countries, their lunchtime is usually half an hour, because that's the time you need to eat.
In Portugal, the lunchtime is at least twice, because people don't just eat, they pass time with each other, they talk, and laugh together.
Eating in front of TV is an American thing, we don't do that. Even in factories, people use the lunchtime to talk about everything.
Every business deal is closed at a lunch or dinner table, that's where you see what a person is, because they have to let the guard down.
One of the reasons people still smoke so much in Europe, is smoking while hanging with friends, on a terrace, drinking beer.
Clothing is just a part of being in a society. Americans when they visit Europe, they all say we dress very well, to us, it's respect.
Being honest, I feel a total jackass if I go out wearing gym sweatpants, I'm not in a gym. It's disrespectful to everyone else.
When in Rome, be Roman. Eating out is also very enjoyable, because the culinary richness of Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal is immense.
If I ever visit the US, besides Alaska, I'd probably want to go to New York City, just to eat the products of so many cultures in one place.

HappyHiker
4-22-23, 5:27pm
I wish they could’ve got him stone cold on January 6 events.

I really don’t care about a state charge having to do with him schlepping some girl and wanting to keep it quiet.

For a point of clarification in using Yiddish terminology correctly:

Schlepped: to proceed or move especially slowly, tediously, awkwardly, or carelessly
Example: We schlepped our luggage through the airport.


shtup(ping) (redirected from schtupping)
Also found in: Thesaurus.
shtup (ʃtʊp)
vb 1. slang to have sex (with)

So, please substitute shtupping (unless,of course, DJT clumsily carried a woman around instead of having had carnal knowledge of her......

iris lilies
4-23-23, 10:55am
For a point of clarification in using Yiddish terminology correctly:

Schlepped: to proceed or move especially slowly, tediously, awkwardly, or carelessly
Example: We schlepped our luggage through the airport.


shtup(ping) (redirected from schtupping)
Also found in: Thesaurus.
shtup (ʃtʊp)
vb 1. slang to have sex (with)

So, please substitute shtupping (unless,of course, DJT clumsily carried a woman around instead of having had carnal knowledge of her......

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