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Donald Trump is still the leading GOP candidate, even with all of his troubles.
He has endorsements from quite a few Republican governors and Congresscritters.
He has a town hall meeting tonight.
Do y'all think he will be the nominee? What are his chances, and why?
What issues do you think he will run on?
Do y'all think he will win in 2024? Why/why not?
flowerseverywhere
5-10-23, 2:42pm
Donald Trump is still the leading GOP candidate, even with all of his troubles.
He has endorsements from quite a few Republican governors and Congresscritters.
He has a town hall meeting tonight.
Do y'all think he will be the nominee? What are his chances, and why?
What issues do you think he will run on?
Do y'all think he will win in 2024? Why/why not?
Either he will win the nomination or declare as an independent, which will split the republican party just to punish them. His supporters are a determined bunch. DeSantis is going too extreme against Disney, the LGBT community, concealed carry with no permit, and education. Although people love to claim he won in a landslide, he is not viewed favorably now even by many republicans here I know.
Again Trump will run on "only he can fix it", illegal border crossing, and gender issues. He is relentless in his attacks on any opponent, and constant claims of victimhood, witchhunts declarations. His abortion position might hinder him, as the attempts at total abortion bans and the gender issue are unpopular. Too many citizens have family members who are being hurt. Antisemitism will prove hurtful, as in the support of proud boys and other fringe groups and conspiracy theorists. Plus many people are just plain tired of him.
I cannot see him winning. And I was the one who.predicted when he came down the escalator he would be the next president. Everyone thought I was crazy.
But this is only my opinion and I hope not wishful thinking.
frugal-one
5-10-23, 3:05pm
After seeing trump having neo-nazi speakers at his hotel in Miami, it is beyond comprehension why anyone would vote for him. Democracy truly is at stake. Hopefully, voters wake up!
So, primaries will probably be Nicki Hailey, maybe Pence, probably DeSantis, and maybe Chris Christy? I see Hailey as a possible dark horse, but otherwise Trump. Why people like him is way beyond me, but they seem to be able to separate Trump the ends justifies the means politician from Trump the obnoxious criminal.
Trump vs. Biden? Maybe too close to call. The independents will probably swing the election and see Trump as a crook and Biden an uninspiring leader who even looks and talk like he's darned old. I think some of the other republicans would have a better chance against Biden.
I can't imagine Trump being the nominee. While whatever governance he may bring to the table would be preferable to what Biden or another potential Democratic nominee would provide, people are just tired of his shenanigans and the media's love of it.
I realize some of our most vocal members may be disappointed if that's the case, but they can easily transfer their wrath to DeSantis.
"Republicans have gone from Abraham Lincoln to Richard Nixon to George Santos. No wonder they don’t believe in evolution."--Andy Borowitz
Wow - watching the Town Hall with Trump now, and it's....special.
While whatever governance he may bring to the table would be preferable to what Biden or another potential Democratic nominee would provide,
Because nothing says good governance like trying to overthrow the government.
"Do you throw the Presidential Election Results of 2020 OUT and declare the RIGHTFUL WINNER, or do you have a NEW ELECTION? A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,"
Termination of the constitution. So much ‘good governance’ with this clown. Maybe Alan can point me to the section of one of the books written by Ldahl’s vaunted smart thinkers where this is recommended.
iris lilies
5-11-23, 7:42am
It all depends on how good of a campaigner DeSantis is. Even though he is a better candidate than Trump, he doesn’t have charisma of Trump. He is an introvert and does not feed on the attention of people.
I fear Trump will be the Republican nominee.
In Trump vs Biden, Biden wins.
I wonder why Trump doesn't run as an independent. He has a lot of the Republican Party behind him but a lot aren't. He has a reliable following and doesn't need the infrastructure of the party He could split a vote and become a spoiler.
If you were to ask me 8 years ago if I thought he could win the Republican nomination I would have laughed. But he continues to astound at how much he can get away with and still amass a dedicated fandom. I fear that he will win another primary and winning the general election is definitely not out of reach. The idea of it makes me really worry about the state of the nation.
flowerseverywhere
5-11-23, 4:15pm
I wonder what the turnout will be if its Trump vs. Biden.
I wonder what the turnout will be if its Trump vs. Biden.
I suppose that will depend on how much voter suppression has happened in various places.
iris lilies
5-11-23, 6:42pm
I suppose that will depend on how much voter suppression has happened in various places.
Oh, please.
I suppose that will depend on how much voter suppression has happened in various places.
Indeed. But last night CNN ran a democratic party infomercial that, if used well by the democrats, will be a good starting point for an effective campaign. Combine that with there being 4 more years of solidly democratic voters who age in to voting AND 4 years' worth of solidly republican voters who will have aged out and the republicans face a tremendous uphill battle whether or not trump is the nominee. The 2004 election was the last time they won the popular vote and trump isn't doing anything to expand their base. At all. Except possibly the fact that he is smart enough to be cagey about his stance on abortion. None of the other potential republicans seem to realize how badly their stance on that issue is a losing stance with a strong majority of voters.
I understand neither the Biden nor Trump campaigns are planning to participate in primary debates. That way Biden won’t need to face the guy whose father’s speeches he used to plagiarize and Trump can stick with his divine right to rule stance.
iris lilies
5-12-23, 11:57am
Trump’s “ caginess” about abortion could be considered a rare Trumpian constitutional position, only I know DJ Trump doesn’t give one SHIT about the United States Constitution.
littlebittybobby
5-12-23, 12:10pm
Okay----I will vote for Mr Trump, whether he is allowed on the ballot or not. The reason for it is spite directed at people who do not like him. Yup. How do you like that? Ha. End of story. Thank Mee.
Trump’s “ caginess” about abortion could be considered a rare Trumpian constitutional position, only I know DJ Trump doesn’t give one SHIT about the United States Constitution.
In fairness to him, he doesn't know anything about the Constitution--kind of like his knowledge of the Bible.
In fairness to him, he doesn't know anything about the Constitution--kind of like his knowledge of the Bible.
Loopholes, maybe?
Okay----I will vote for Mr Trump, whether he is allowed on the ballot or not. The reason for it is spite directed at people who do not like him. Yup. How do you like that? Ha. End of story. Thank Mee.
I saw a meme the other day that the Republican Party has turned into the ‘f**k you’ party. I guess that was a correct assessment.
I suppose that will depend on how much voter suppression has happened in various places.
agree
littlebittybobby
5-12-23, 5:05pm
Okay---One of Mr Trumps' good policy issues is to get tough with killer Moms. Before he left office, he made sure that the beyond-evil killer Mom Lisa McGommery got what she deserved! Yup. But see---'steada these libtards trynta do away with the 2nd Ammendment using the weak excuse that it will prevent crime, what needs to be done is to repeal the 19th ammendment. Because yeah---it's the reason all those libtardsv get elected, in the first place, and that cities infested with thewm have all that urban crime. See? Now do you see? Hope that helps you some.
frugal-one
5-12-23, 6:16pm
Okay---One of Mr Trumps' good policy issues is to get tough with killer Moms. Before he left office, he made sure that the beyond-evil killer Mom Lisa McGommery got what she deserved! Yup. But see---'steada these libtards trynta do away with the 2nd Ammendment using the weak excuse that it will prevent crime, what needs to be done is to repeal the 19th ammendment. Because yeah---it's the reason all those libtardsv get elected, in the first place, and that cities infested with thewm have all that urban crime. See? Now do you see? Hope that helps you some.
The only way the nazi-MAGA republicans can win would be this.
Would not vote for Trump this time around. But neither would I vote for Grandpa Joe. He just doesn’t seem all there to me.
Okay---One of Mr Trumps' good policy issues is to get tough with killer Moms. Before he left office, he made sure that the beyond-evil killer Mom Lisa McGommery got what she deserved! Yup. But see---'steada these libtards trynta do away with the 2nd Ammendment using the weak excuse that it will prevent crime, what needs to be done is to repeal the 19th ammendment. Because yeah---it's the reason all those libtardsv get elected, in the first place, and that cities infested with thewm have all that urban crime. See? Now do you see? Hope that helps you some.
Why stop there? Maybe you should also recommend rolling back the voting rights of black folks too? And while we're at it, go back to counting them as only 60% human.
Would not vote for Trump this time around. But neither would I vote for Grandpa Joe. He just doesn’t seem all there to me.
I think they are both too old, and that there should be a mandatory upper age limit for elected/appointed office.
It's silly that neither party has anyone more capable to offer.
The only way the nazi-MAGA republicans can win would be this.
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I think they are both too old, and that there should be a mandatory upper age limit for elected/appointed office.
It's silly that neither party has anyone more capable to offer.
I blame the primary system. It gives too much power to enthusiastic wingnuts.
I blame the primary system. It gives too much power to enthusiastic wingnuts.
Weird, my impression of the primary and caucus systems used here in Washington is that they are used quite effectively by the parties to exclude non-insiders.
I blame the primary system. It gives too much power to enthusiastic wingnuts.
How do you define "wingnut"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOEVmwFCYtQ
frugal-one
5-13-23, 3:42pm
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You've been lazy... or you would have checked out the May 8th Rachel Maddow Youtube sent previously. It documents the progression and intertwining of events. Obviously you'll continue to vote for a hitler-wanna be who will bring down this country. You and Alan are of the same ilk... keeping your head in the sand.
frugal-one
5-13-23, 3:47pm
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/200/369/161.jpg
You've been lazy... or you would have checked out the May 8th Rachel Maddow Youtube sent previously. It documents the progression and intertwining of events. Obviously you'll continue to vote for a hitler-wanna be who will bring down this country.
You've been lazy... or you would have checked out the May 8th Rachel Maddow Youtube sent previously. It documents the progression and intertwining of events. Obviously you'll continue to vote for a hitler-wanna be who will bring down this country. You and Alan are of the same ilk... keeping your head in the sand.
I don't watch propagandists masquerading as political commentators except for their entertainment value, and I don't find Rachel Maddow entertaining. But, thank you for lumping me into the same group as LDAHL, he's the kind of facts over feelings kinda guy I can only aspire to be. I know you didn't intend that as a compliment but you never know where serendipity lurks. ;)
You have a point Alan. Ldahl has never tried to make the absurd claim of any sort of good governance from trump.
You've been lazy... or you would have checked out the May 8th Rachel Maddow Youtube sent previously. It documents the progression and intertwining of events. Obviously you'll continue to vote for a hitler-wanna be who will bring down this country. You and Alan are of the same ilk... keeping your head in the sand.
I am honored to be relegated to the same ilk as Alan.
frugal-one
5-13-23, 8:29pm
I don't watch propagandists masquerading as political commentators except for their entertainment value, and I don't find Rachel Maddow entertaining. But, thank you for lumping me into the same group as LDAHL, he's the kind of facts over feelings kinda guy I can only aspire to be. I know you didn't intend that as a compliment but you never know where serendipity lurks. ;)
You said one time that you did not have access to Maddow.... you would be wise to check the correlations expressed on this specific day that are easily verified... albeit based on some of your comments... you don't want verification/validation of what is happening.
frugal-one
5-13-23, 8:34pm
I am honored to be relegated to the same ilk as Alan.
No doubt. You both do not want facts verified or validation of what is transpiring. Instead you both choose to close your eyes and naively believe what you hope to be true. Sad really.
You said one time that you did not have access to Maddow.... you would be wise to check the correlations expressed on this specific day that are easily verified... albeit based on some of your comments... you don't want verification/validation of what is happening.
Oh, I have access to Maddow, not sure why you would think otherwise, I've just never felt the need to watch her after regularly listening to her spin on Air America years ago, and I only listened then for the entertainment value. Actually, I no longer pay attention to any ratings driven propagandists since most thinking people know they're selling you a product you'll enjoy in hopes you'll come back for more. It occurs to me that they're more an outlet for stoking preferred biases rather than promoting thoughtful discussions of public interest.
So, I'm not sure what "correlations" she may have recently expressed, perhaps you could enlighten me and we could discuss?
rosarugosa
5-14-23, 5:49am
Very entertaining, Catherine!
How do you define "wingnut"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOEVmwFCYtQ
Asked and answered!
I don't watch propagandists masquerading as political commentators except for their entertainment value, and I don't find Rachel Maddow entertaining. But, thank you for lumping me into the same group as LDAHL, he's the kind of facts over feelings kinda guy I can only aspire to be. I know you didn't intend that as a compliment but you never know where serendipity lurks. ;)
I guess "propagandist" is your way of saying "anyone who doesn't agree with me." Tucker Carlson was an actual propagandist, parroting Russian talking points.
Rachel Maddow is indeed a political commentator, meaning she's allowed to express her opinion. She's the farthest thing from a bomb-throwing radical, describing herself thus: "I'm undoubtedly a liberal, which means that I'm in almost total agreement with the Eisenhower-era Republican Party platform."(Wikipedia) She's also an historian, an author, and earned a Doctor of Philosophy (politics) degree as a Rhodes scholar at Oxford. I have a great deal of respect for her.
frugal-one
5-14-23, 5:43pm
Oh, I have access to Maddow, not sure why you would think otherwise, I've just never felt the need to watch her after regularly listening to her spin on Air America years ago, and I only listened then for the entertainment value. Actually, I no longer pay attention to any ratings driven propagandists since most thinking people know they're selling you a product you'll enjoy in hopes you'll come back for more. It occurs to me that they're more an outlet for stoking preferred biases rather than promoting thoughtful discussions of public interest.
So, I'm not sure what "correlations" she may have recently expressed, perhaps you could enlighten me and we could discuss?
You will have to watch the May 8th program. There is so much information, there is no way I could even come close to giving an apt description. The program shows parallels and correlations. I'm sure you would glean a lot of information.
You will have to watch the May 8th program. There is so much information, there is no way I could even come close to giving an apt description. The program shows parallels and correlations. I'm sure you would glean a lot of information.
I suppose if the end result of her presentation is your representation of Republicans as Nazis, and you can't describe or give examples of how or why she brought you to that conclusion, my description of her as a propagandist feeding existing biases is probably right on point.
I may decide to devote 45 minutes of my time listening to her presentation at some point to analyze her technique, but not today, you've already provided the spoiler. If or when I do watch it I'll let you know so that we can discuss.
frugal-one
5-14-23, 7:03pm
Alan, There is no probably if you don't watch it. Only then can you make any assumption or assertion. YLMV
littlebittybobby
5-15-23, 2:45pm
Okay---Big Degrees---like Mad Cow has, mean only one thing--she/he/it has excelled at parroting the Groupthink dogma of the illiberals in Academia. End of story. Game Over. Case closed. Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee.
I purposely did not read any of the other responses before writing this. I voted for Trump the first two times. Will not ever vote for him again. While I like many
of his ideas. Morally, he is a train wreck. He is a bully. His child like name calling, belittling, bullying etc., is embarrassing. I am not sure DeSantis is much better. *sigh*
I purposely did not read any of the other responses before writing this. I voted for Trump the first two times. Will not ever vote for him again. While I like many
of his ideas. Morally, he is a train wreck. He is a bully. His child like name calling, belittling, bullying etc., is embarrassing. I am not sure DeSantis is much better. *sigh*
Agreed.
iris lilies
5-16-23, 8:41am
I purposely did not read any of the other responses before writing this. I voted for Trump the first two times. Will not ever vote for him again. While I like many
of his ideas. Morally, he is a train wreck. He is a bully. His child like name calling, belittling, bullying etc., is embarrassing. I am not sure DeSantis is much better. *sigh*
Ron Desantis is better, believe me.
Donald Trump is not temperamentally suited to be President.
A thin skinned, petty, vindictive bully is better suited to be president? I guess you like to set the bar low.
Alan, There is no probably if you don't watch it. Only then can you make any assumption or assertion. YLMV
I thought of Rachel Maddow and this thread after reading about the Dunham report. Why would anyone take her seriously after she insisted on pushing the Russian collusion BS so long after it was shown to be nonsense?
Ron Desantis is better, believe me.
Donald Trump is not temperamentally suited to be President.
I believe, but what does DeSantis bring to any sort of policy table? Pro-life, some sorts of cancel culture on the LGBT community, probably tows the GOP platform on some form of smaller government? Climate change, the war in Ukraine, infrastructure, taxes? I suppose it will all come out in the days to come, but is he that much different than Trump on policy, obnoxious, criminal,volitile personality aside?
iris lilies
5-17-23, 8:48am
I believe, but what does DeSantis bring to any sort of policy table? Pro-life, some sorts of cancel culture on the LGBT community, probably tows the GOP platform on some form of smaller government? Climate change, the war in Ukraine, infrastructure, taxes? I suppose it will all come out in the days to come, but is he that much different than Trump on policy, obnoxious, criminal,volitile personality aside?
Desantis governs one of the largest states in our nation. Successfully. He made some choices during Covid that served the state well.
I don’t think stage 2 of the Disney fight is sensible, though.
Of course he isn’t going to match your policy preferences about climate change and etc. It isn’t about policy for me, it is about him being an experienced public servant, experienced in serving the public and not putting himself first.
Desantis governs one of the largest states in our nation. Successfully. He made some choices during Covid that served the state well.
I don’t think stage 2 of the Disney fight is sensible, though.
Of course he isn’t going to match your policy preferences about climate change and etc. It isn’t about policy for me, it is about him being an experienced public servant, experienced in serving the public and not putting himself first.
Seems similar to Nikki Hailey?
iris lilies
5-17-23, 10:04am
Seems similar to Nikki Hailey?
I am not opposed to Nikki Halley. I am not opposed to Mike Pence. I am not opposed to Tulsi Gabbard, Liz Cheney, or any other Republican.
Dear God do not make me vote forJoe Biden just to keep DJ Trump out of the White House.
I thought of Rachel Maddow and this thread after reading about the Dunham report. Why would anyone take her seriously after she insisted on pushing the Russian collusion BS so long after it was shown to be nonsense?
I believe that's the thing about our current media culture, after years of feeding her loyal viewers a line of administrative state nonsense, she'll ignore the results of the investigation, never mention it on air and her loyal followers will be none-the-wiser.
I believe that's the thing about our current media culture, after years of feeding her loyal viewers a line of administrative state nonsense, she'll ignore the results of the investigation, never mention it on air and her loyal followers will be none-the-wiser.
Out of curiosity I googled Rachel and the Dunham report. Without any long examination, she does have a several minute talk calling it a 6 million dollar waste of tax payer money without any new evidence. It's so much ancient history now it's not of much interest to me, but it really shouldn't matter too much to Trump supporters either way. Any crimes he has or hasn't committed are pretty much water off a duck's back. A politically motivated witch hunt, as he would say. A commentary that probably can go both ways.
Out of curiosity I googled Rachel and the Dunham report. Without any long examination, she does have a several minute talk calling it a 6 million dollar waste of tax payer money without any new evidence.
Just out of curiosity, did she mention that the FBI knew the Steele Dossier, which was the basis of the entire Russian Collusion narrative, was a hoax perpetrated by partisans trying to hurt a Presidential candidate? Did she mention that the CIA briefed the Obama White House on its true purpose in 2016, well before Obama himself used it to smear that candidate prior to the November election? Did she mention that even though the FBI knew there was nothing to it, they still used it as a basis to obtain FISA warrants against people known to be within the candidates circle of influence? Or that officials within the FBI, including James Comey knew the info was garbage but still continuously leaked misleading information referencing their investigation of the matter, even though they weren't actually investigating the matter? Did she mention that Adam Schiff almost certainly knew there was nothing to allegations even though he spent a year or two holding high visibility congressional investigations designed to influence sentiment against a duly elected President while telling us daily that he had seen the evidence and we should just trust him, it's real? Did she mention that she was one of the leading media voices that spent at least 2 years parroting the administrative state's talking points like a loyal propagandist should? And then did she apologize for her role in advancing that politically motivated mis-information?
I'm betting she didn't. But, since that's all just old news we should probably forget all about it and move on to what I now hear is her latest hot take, Republicans are Nazis! (which must be true cause I read it here and have been repeatedly encouraged to watch her presentation so that I can know the truth too). She can probably string that out till the next election.
frugal-one
5-17-23, 4:30pm
I thought of Rachel Maddow and this thread after reading about the Dunham report. Why would anyone take her seriously after she insisted on pushing the Russian collusion BS so long after it was shown to be nonsense?
Why would anyone take you seriously? You vote for those who want to overthrow the government! Watch her May 8th episode and then talk. Doubt if you will respond.
frugal-one
5-17-23, 4:32pm
Just out of curiosity, did she mention that the FBI knew the Steele Dossier, which was the basis of the entire Russian Collusion narrative, was a hoax perpetrated by partisans trying to hurt a Presidential candidate? Did she mention that the CIA briefed the Obama White House on its true purpose in 2016, well before Obama himself used it to smear that candidate prior to the November election? Did she mention that even though the FBI knew there was nothing to it, they still used it as a basis to obtain FISA warrants against people known to be within the candidates circle of influence? Or that officials within the FBI, including James Comey knew the info was garbage but still continuously leaked misleading information referencing their investigation of the matter, even though they weren't actually investigating the matter? Did she mention that Adam Schiff almost certainly knew there was nothing to allegations even though he spent a year or two holding high visibility congressional investigations designed to influence sentiment against a duly elected President while telling us daily that he had seen the evidence and we should just trust him, it's real? Did she mention that she was one of the leading media voices that spent at least 2 years parroting the administrative state's talking points like a loyal propagandist should? And then did she apologize for her role in advancing that politically motivated mis-information?
I'm betting she didn't. But, since that's all just old news we should probably forget all about it and move on to what I now hear is her latest hot take, Republicans are Nazis! (which must be true cause I read it here and have been repeatedly encouraged to watch her presentation so that I can kn the truth too). She can probably string that out till the next election.
You can’t speak because you have not verified…. par for your course.
Just out of curiosity, did she mention that the FBI knew the Steele Dossier, which was the basis of the entire Russian Collusion narrative, was a hoax perpetrated by partisans trying to hurt a Presidential candidate?
The investigation was under way in the summer, the Steele dossier didn't show up until the fall. This is per the Durham report. Papadopulous had already been bragging to an Australian diplomat about his Russian connections before the dossier surfaced.
Just out of curiosity, did she mention that the FBI knew...
None of the below. What she said was that there was no new evidence and nothing we didn't already know. I'm no fan of Rachel and it's the most I've listened to her. However, contrary to you earlier statement, she did mention it on the air. I really am not motivated to fact check what Alan said and what she said. Like I mentioned, both sides play the politically motivated witch hunt game. There are bigger fish to fry on Trump and his election and climate change lies among others in the courts now. It would be interesting to fact check Rachel vs. her conservative counter parts like Hannity, Breitbart, and Tucker to see who has the longest nose.
Speaking of witch hunts, I wonder what Jim Jordan is up to. He seems to have backed off on his Fauci investigations but is still hot on Hunter. Remember the Kennedy "expose" on Fauci and vaccines? Another one of those things that just isn't that important now.
flowerseverywhere
5-17-23, 10:42pm
Desantis governs one of the largest states in our nation. Successfully. He made some choices during Covid that served the state well.
I don’t think stage 2 of the Disney fight is sensible, though.
Of course he isn’t going to match your policy preferences about climate change and etc. It isn’t about policy for me, it is about him being an experienced public servant, experienced in serving the public and not putting himself first.
Actually he has been putting himself and his anti"woke" propaganda ahead of the state needs. First, he has been on a book tour, coincidentally in the early primary states positioning himself for a run against Trump. the law said that a governor is term limited to two years and cannot run for higher office unless they resign. The law was changed to accommodate him. I'm guessing they will change the law to let him run again if he does not get the nomination. they also changed to law to make his spending much less.transparent and out of the public eye as he continues to ignore real problems Floridians face to run for president and fight his imaginary woke problems.
And we have a six week abortion ban now. More babies who will be abused, neglected and unwanted joining the overburdened foster cafe system. heartbreaking.
Our covid death rates were not good. Reporting was alleged to have been doctored and supressed. the CDC and major universities have made allegations of this. I know 9 people who died. One 44 and one 52 with no known prior conditions. Plus we don't have expanded Medicaid to help the working poor.
Educators are not happy. He has made it easier to sue teachers if they teach "woke" ideology, whatever that really means. I guess they will find out the hard way. We have over 9,000 teacher vacancies and pay very poorly.
Buckle up for more drama, bullying and bending or changing the rules if he does get the nomination.
The Disney feud is ridiculous. He admitted he is taking revenge on them. The Disney team used his quotes in the first sentence of their lawsuit to prove it. They employ hundreds of thousand directly, and attract an enormous amount of revenue here. Hotels, restaurants and so on employ thousands off property as well.
Why would anyone take you seriously? You vote for those who want to overthrow the government! Watch her May 8th episode and then talk. Doubt if you will respond.
Yes. I voted against sending another AOC to DC, and would happily do so again. What that has to do with a partisan hack trumpeting a political smear for years escapes me.
iris lilies
5-18-23, 10:09am
Yes. I voted against sending another AOC to DC, and would happily do so again. What that has to do with a partisan hack trumpeting a political smear for years escapes me.
Speaking of another AOC, my own Congress person Corey Bush was one of two people to vote against a resolution on Monday that recognized law enforcement officers killed in the line of duty for National Police Week. 2 out of 435 did not support it.
While this is the kind of dumb rubber stamping action that annoys me, the fact that squad member, Corey Bush has the temerity to pretend she’s making some sort of important stand illustrates she does not represent me.
iris lilies
5-18-23, 10:43am
Actually he has been putting himself and his anti"woke" propaganda ahead of the state needs. First, he has been on a book tour, coincidentally in the early primary states positioning himself for a run against Trump. the law said that a governor is term limited to two years and cannot run for higher office unless they resign. The law was changed to accommodate him. I'm guessing they will change the law to let him run again if he does not get the nomination. they also changed to law to make his spending much less.transparent and out of the public eye as he continues to ignore real problems Floridians face to run for president and fight his imaginary woke problems.
And we have a six week abortion ban now. More babies who will be abused, neglected and unwanted joining the overburdened foster cafe system. heartbreaking.
Our covid death rates were not good. Reporting was alleged to have been doctored and supressed. the CDC and major universities have made allegations of this. I know 9 people who died. One 44 and one 52 with no known prior conditions. Plus we don't have expanded Medicaid to help the working poor.
Educators are not happy. He has made it easier to sue teachers if they teach "woke" ideology, whatever that really means. I guess they will find out the hard way. We have over 9,000 teacher vacancies and pay very poorly.
Buckle up for more drama, bullying and bending or changing the rules if he does get the nomination.
The Disney feud is ridiculous. He admitted he is taking revenge on them. The Disney team used his quotes in the first sentence of their lawsuit to prove it. They employ hundreds of thousand directly, and attract an enormous amount of revenue here. Hotels, restaurants and so on employ thousands of it would irritate me know, and if my state governor was gallivanting and campaigning for President… .
It would irritate me no end if my state’s governor was gallivanting around when he was supposed to be governing the state, instead, campaigning for president or any other office. I also do not like the very strict six week, limitation on abortion, but your logical leap to foster care seems… not logical. In reality, if someone does not want a newly born baby there are hundreds of parents who DO want that kid.Adoption, it’s an option.
Our state limits gubanatorial terms to two, for a total of 8 years. That is written in our state’s constitution. If you all want similar limitations, seems like you should get a constitutional proposal going. That’s not easy of course.
I don’t know what you mean about Covid deaths in Florida. Of course people died. I don’t know how the numbers were cooking Florida, but we all know the numbers can be looked upon as cooked on either side, and in many states. People died in Missouri, and I know personally of several. That doesn’t mean it is the fault of Ron DeSantis.
If you mean the ridiculous arguments over mandatory masking in your state that Desantis was involved in… it finally has come out that the CDC grudgingly admits masking may be only 10% effective if addressing Covid spread. That’s not nothing I know, but really it is a lot of todo about masking.
flowerseverywhere
5-18-23, 11:19am
IL, there are thousands of kids waiting for adoption. In Florida about 4500 whose parental rights have been terminated and about the same number more waiting.
https://www.focusonthefamily.com/pro-life/foster-care/foster-care-in-your-state-florida/
https://cwoutcomes.acf.hhs.gov/cwodatasite/byState
Actually my bigger fear is more will become abused or neglected or our dismal Maternal mortality rate will increase.
If you don't want a child, how will you take care of it? I am not pro abortion, just realistic.
I’m reading that DeSantis will probably announce his candidacy next week. It will be interesting to see if the voting public sees Florida as the dystopian hellscape his detractors are selling. I understand he has obtained a lot of endorsements in Iowa, much to the disgust of the Trump faction and the Democrats, both of whom have reasons to desire a Trump nomination. Trump sees himself as unbeatable and the Democrats fear anyone except Trump might be unbeatable against a Biden/Harris ticket.
catherine
5-18-23, 11:48am
There was an article in the NYT today, "If DeSantis Can't Beat Trump, Can Ramaswamy?" What do you GOPers think about Ramaswamy as an option?
There was an article in the NYT today, "If DeSantis Can't Beat Trump, Can Ramaswami?" What do you GOPers think about Ramaswami as an option?
I know he made his money in biotech and wrote a number of books critical of “woke capitalism” and favoring the traditional kind. Andrew Yang seems to really like him. Doesn’t poll terribly well, but that may just be a name recognition thing. What little I’ve heard about him is relatively positive (by my heartless capitalist free speech lights). But some conservative writers seem to believe he’s in it for self-promotion rather than conviction. He’s got an anti-woke ETF with a fairly high expense ratio.
We had an amazing mayoral race outcome here in historically ultra conservative Colorado Springs so maybe at least some of us are worn out from all the wasted time and efforts spent fighting each other. The winner is an African immigrant business man who appealed to the majority of voters on his open-minded, inclusive messages and ran as an independent. He never once bad-mouthed his opponent yet he was continuously labeled in opposing ads as liberal and socialist...blah blah... by the loser.
gimmethesimplelife
5-19-23, 11:32pm
What's really scary is that there are actually still people that would vote for DJT. Seriously. Rob
We had an amazing mayoral race outcome here in historically ultra conservative Colorado Springs so maybe at least some of us are worn out from all the wasted time and efforts spent fighting each other. The winner is an African immigrant business man who appealed to the majority of voters on his open-minded, inclusive messages and ran as an independent. He never once bad-mouthed his opponent yet he was continuously labeled in opposing ads as liberal and socialist...blah blah... by the loser.
That is amazing and very hopeful.
Teacher Terry
5-21-23, 9:29am
That’s great PT!!
So now CNN is saying that there's tape of trump in the summer of 2021 1) acknowledging to someone, in front of witnesses, that one of the documents he stole (about some military action involving Iran) is classified so he can't share details, and 2) sharing the existence of that document with whoever he was sharing it with. This would seem to invalidate his excuse that he claims to have declassified everything before he left office, and also prove that he shared classified docs about highly sensitive national security issues with people who shouldn't have had access since even discussing the existence of the document would likely violate that law.
So now CNN is saying that there's tape of trump in the summer of 2021 1) acknowledging to someone, in front of witnesses, that one of the documents he stole (about some military action involving Iran) is classified so he can't share details, and 2) sharing the existence of that document with whoever he was sharing it with. This would seem to invalidate his excuse that he claims to have declassified everything before he left office, and also prove that he shared classified docs about highly sensitive national security issues with people who shouldn't have had access since even discussing the existence of the document would likely violate that law.
If he hasn't sold them to his pal Putin and other international bad actors, I'd be very surprised.
If he hasn't sold them to his pal Putin and other international bad actors, I'd be very surprised.
Well, his SIL DID get a $2 billion "investment" deal from Saudi Arabia. Not to mention his own LIV golf deal, the value of which we don't know. The thing I find remarkable is that the clowns on the republican side think all of this is happening behind the curtain and feel perfectly fine making absurd claims about biden's family. Thankfully I don't think Americans are as stupid as the republican party and their clueless supporters think they are.
flowerseverywhere
6-2-23, 10:49am
Actually it is very interesting to see Trump attack DeSantis. He is merciless. I cannot imagine it will help the Republicans mount unified front to bring the party together. The drama is so tiring
So DeSantis polls something like 25% against Trump and RFK Jr polls something like 20% against Biden among potential primary voters. One situation seems to get a lot more attention than the other.
The drama is so tiring
The local NBC News affiliate here in Vermont interviewed George Will, who was speaking at the Ethan Allen Institute. When the interviewer asked what people want in a leader, Will said that he thinks they want someone "cheerful." People are sick of division, negativity, and politicking when all they are trying to do is pay bills, mow the lawn, and raise their kids. His comment reminded me of Anna Quindlen's hypothesis that when presidents exude joie de vivre, it's infectious and the whole country does better.
Hmm.. so who is the most cheerful candidate so far? Hard to tell.
Hmm.. so who is the most cheerful candidate so far? Hard to tell.
So far? I think Tim Scott.
The local NBC News affiliate here in Vermont interviewed George Will, who was speaking at the Ethan Allen Institute. When the interviewer asked what people want in a leader, Will said that he thinks they want someone "cheerful." People are sick of division, negativity, and politicking when all they are trying to do is pay bills, mow the lawn, and raise their kids. His comment reminded me of Anna Quindlen's hypothesis that when presidents exude joie de vivre, it's infectious and the whole country does better.
Hmm.. so who is the most cheerful candidate so far? Hard to tell.
George seems to be ignoring all of the maga voters. They don’t seem to be interested in a ‘cheerful’ candidate. They seem to want a bully who hates the same people they hate. Trump exuded that hate in spades in 2016 and to a slightly lesser extent in 2020. Now he just hates all the people trying to hold him accountable which is probably not going to inspire much of anyone beyond his hard core base to vote for him.
So far? I think Tim Scott.
I’d agree with that. He’s strikes me as a bit Reaganish in that respect.
I’d agree with that. He’s strikes me as a bit Reaganish in that respect.
If we could time travel back to the 80's he might vaguely have a chance. Today, not so much. There are probably plenty of independents or undecideds who would find "happy" appealing but those people will never make it out of the republican primaries.
I also agree that Tim Scott seems like a fun kind of guy.
On another note, I heard that Cornel West is running on the People's Party ticket. Not a bad follow-up to Bernie. I like him.
If we could time travel back to the 80's he might vaguely have a chance. Today, not so much. There are probably plenty of independents or undecideds who would find "happy" appealing but those people will never make it out of the republican primaries.
I don't think there's much of a chance of an old-school Republican making it through the GOP primaries.
So as of today, we have:
Former President Trump
Former Vice President Mike Pence
Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
Current North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum
Former South Carolina Governor / UN Ambassador Nikki Haley
South Carolina senator Tim Scott
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
Ryan Binkley
Larry Elder
Vivek Ramaswamy
And probably a couple I missed
So as of today, we have:
Former President Trump
Former Vice President Mike Pence
Former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie
Current North Dakota Governor Doug Burgum
Former South Carolina Governor / UN Ambassador Nikki Haley
South Carolina senator Tim Scott
Florida Governor Ron DeSantis
Former Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson
Ryan Binkley
Larry Elder
Vivek Ramaswamy
And probably a couple I missed
I can't imagine how this will result in the head of the republican party winning the nomination despite his likely indictments for numerous things.
I can't wait for the debates! Should be very interesting.
The Trump campaign has indicated they may skip the primary debates, as has the Biden campaign.
iris lilies
6-8-23, 9:09am
The Trump campaign has indicated they may skip the primary debates, as has the Biden campaign.
I am now praying ( well, sending my wish-thoughts out into the universe) that Trump will die of a heart attack. I would wish the same for Biden but look at what we would be left with.
ugh. So depressing.
I pray he will change his mind, get out of politics, try to atone for his behavior, and enjoy golf and grandchildren.
frugal-one
6-8-23, 12:42pm
I pray he will change his mind, get out of politics, try to atone for his behavior, and enjoy golf and grandchildren.
You are very gracious!
Since it seems that indictment is imminent it's possible that the candidates who have no shot at winning the nomination and seem to only be in it to thwart trump (Christie, Hutchinson, Pence) will be able to slam him hard enough to solidify enough anti-trump sentiment within the party because of the indictments to steer the party away from the circular firing squad mentality that resulted in trump getting the nomination in 2016. The longer it takes before Jack Smith hands down an indictment for espionage the less likely the others will be able to knock him off the republican party leader pedestal.
If they succeed in taking him down it will be interesting to see who gets the nomination after DeSantis falls flat on his face once people outside of florida get to see what a radical he is.
Just checked google news for the first time today. Apparently the indictments were more imminent that I thought...
It’s going to be awkward in the Republican debates when they are asked if they would pardon trump. They can either say yes and lose independents or they can say no and lose trump’s base. Talk about a lose/lose situation…
I wonder what the GOP will campaign on. Seems like usually it's been the economy or some war, neither of which appear too significant these days. Even gas seems slightly acceptable and inflation is relatively tame. No doubt there will be the usual demonizing of the dems and Biden's age. I think Pence mentioned something about entitlement revision, which sort of breaks down to Medicare and social security. Abortion doesn't seem too popular of an issue and there doesn't seem to be much on the table about taking people's guns and ammo away. Maybe defunding the DOJ?
If DeSantis' reaction to the trump federal indictments is any indication it appears that they are going to be running on "defund the police"
I wonder what the GOP will campaign on.
Most of the candidates seem to be embracing a "kill the woke to save your kids from #today's-bogey-man" approach.
Indictments…LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!
It's rare that I agree with anything trump has said. But this statement of his from July 2018 is something I can agree with:
"As the head of the executive branch and Commander in Chief, I have a unique, Constitutional responsibility to protect the Nation’s classified information, including by controlling access to it…. More broadly, the issue of [a former executive branch official’s] security clearance raises larger questions about the practice of former officials maintaining access to our Nation’s most sensitive secrets long after their time in Government has ended. Such access is particularly inappropriate when former officials have transitioned into highly partisan positions and seek to use real or perceived access to sensitive information to validate their political attacks. Any access granted to our Nation’s secrets should in furtherance of national, not personal, interests."
Most optimistic:
Sununu - until he dropped out
I wonder what the GOP will campaign on. Seems like usually it's been the economy or some war, neither of which appear too significant these days. Even gas seems slightly acceptable and inflation is relatively tame. No doubt there will be the usual demonizing of the dems and Biden's age. I think Pence mentioned something about entitlement revision, which sort of breaks down to Medicare and social security. Abortion doesn't seem too popular of an issue and there doesn't seem to be much on the table about taking people's guns and ammo away. Maybe defunding the DOJ?
I think most voters might take issue with your assertion that “inflation is relatively tame”. I also think the push to move individual college debt to the general tax paying public won’t be all that popular with the general tax paying public. The general laxity of the Democrats concerning crime and our porous border could also be fertile fields to plow. Of course, it would be helpful for Democrats to identify with reparations
I don’t think that things are going so swimmingly under the Democrats that the GOP has no issues to run on. Taking Trump off the board would do wonders.
iris lilies
6-10-23, 10:21am
I think most voters might take issue with your assertion that “inflation is relatively tame”. I also think the push to move individual college debt to the general tax paying public won’t be all that popular with the general tax paying public. The general laxity of the Democrats concerning crime and our porous border could also be fertile fields to plow. Of course, it would be helpful for Democrats to identify with reparations
I don’t think that things are going so swimmingly under the Democrats that the GOP has no issues to run on. Taking Trump off the board would do wonders.
also, Roger mentions no war being a big deal. I think 75 billion in tax dollars for Ukraine is a pretty big deal, not to mention the threat of nuclear annihilation or even the lesser never ending U.S. involvement at some level.
“ taking Trump off the board “it’s a funny turn of phrase. I fear this court action will inflame his followers, so I prefer my fantasy heart attack scenario. It’s so much cleaner and cheaper for the taxpayers.
I see that Rachel Maddow has suggested that the DOJ should dismiss all charges against Trump in exchange for him dropping out of the Presidential race. I wonder if that hasn't been the goal all along?
Teacher Terry
6-10-23, 12:19pm
I am definitely not in favor of charges being dropped for trump. He deserves to go to prison! I wouldn’t shed a tear if that soulless devil had the big one. I wish the democrats had someone younger that was a viable candidate as I think Biden needs to retire.
The economy is a big issue here as prices are very high. I am definitely against forgiving student loans and talk of reparations is one of the stupidest things I’ve heard in a long time.
I see that Rachel Maddow has suggested that the DOJ should dismiss all charges against Trump in exchange for him dropping out of the Presidential race. I wonder if that hasn't been the goal all along?
I wonder what her rationale was for such an idea. If the evidence is anywhere near as strong as the indictment suggests letting trump off the hook seems like a really bad idea, both from a "we are a nation of laws and no one is above them" standpoint, and from a "don't politicize the DOJ" standpoint. Especially since on the latter point doing this would hand the 2024 election to the republicans. Thankfully the DOJ doesn't take advice from political pundits.
littlebittybobby
6-10-23, 12:26pm
Okay---I am 100% in favor of dropping all trumped-up charges against President Trump, in exchange for the resignation of Raging Maddow. She/He/It Maddfow will then emigrate to Saudi Arrabbia, and be beheaded. Fair enough. All in favor, say aye. Thank Mee.
iris lilies
6-10-23, 12:40pm
I wonder what her rationale was for such an idea. If the evidence is anywhere near as strong as the indictment suggests letting trump off the hook seems like a really bad idea, both from a "we are a nation of laws and no one is above them" standpoint, and from a "don't politicize the DOJ" standpoint. Especially since on the latter point doing this would hand the 2024 election to the republicans. Thankfully the DOJ doesn't take advice from political pundits.
well, Hillary was certainly let off the hook for her violation of national security with her home server set up and her elimination of thousands of messages, so it’s not like there’s no precedent for it.
I just think it’s interesting that Democrats Rachel Maddow and apparently Joe Biden who must be backing this Trump federal court action, consider him enough of a threat that they want to smear him or eliminate him.
Please do tell us how hillary was sharing state secrets with people they shouldn't be and how she was conspiring to hide the fact that she had stolen stuff. I realize false whataboutism is the current republican talking point but geez, you people need to get out of your bubbles and realize how stupid that talking point sounds.
It's rare that I agree with anything trump has said. But this statement of his from July 2018 is something I can agree with:
"As the head of the executive branch and Commander in Chief, I have a unique, Constitutional responsibility to protect the Nation’s classified information, including by controlling access to it…. More broadly, the issue of [a former executive branch official’s] security clearance raises larger questions about the practice of former officials maintaining access to our Nation’s most sensitive secrets long after their time in Government has ended. Such access is particularly inappropriate when former officials have transitioned into highly partisan positions and seek to use real or perceived access to sensitive information to validate their political attacks. Any access granted to our Nation’s secrets should in furtherance of national, not personal, interests."
I agree, but he didn't write, understood, or mean those words, apparently.
iris lilies
6-10-23, 1:25pm
Please do tell us how hillary was sharing state secrets with people they shouldn't be and how she was conspiring to hide the fact that she had stolen stuff. I realize false whataboutism is the current republican talking point but geez, you people need to get out of your bubbles and realize how stupid that talking point sounds.
I don’t understand how deletion of thousands of emails isn’t hiding something. What Hillary did may or may not be more egregious than all of the hiding activity with security documents found in everyone’s bathroom, garage, Corvette, etc. I really don’t know because I don’t know the details but in the overview is all kind of the same thing.
frugal-one
6-10-23, 3:49pm
I see that Rachel Maddow has suggested that the DOJ should dismiss all charges against Trump in exchange for him dropping out of the Presidential race. I wonder if that hasn't been the goal all along?
Where did you see/hear that?
frugal-one
6-10-23, 3:50pm
I am definitely not in favor of charges being dropped for trump. He deserves to go to prison! I wouldn’t shed a tear if that soulless devil had the big one. I wish the democrats had someone younger that was a viable candidate as I think Biden needs to retire.
The economy is a big issue here as prices are very high. I am definitely against forgiving student loans and talk of reparations is one of the stupidest things I’ve heard in a long time.
Ditto on all!
Where did you see/hear that?
If I'm not mistaken--and I think I watched that segment--she wasn't suggesting anything, but wondering out loud whether the DOJ might offer Trump that kind of deal.
littlebittybobby
6-10-23, 4:13pm
Please do tell us how hillary was sharing state secrets with people they shouldn't be and how she was conspiring to hide the fact that she had stolen stuff. I realize false whataboutism is the current republican talking point but geez, you people need to get out of your bubbles and realize how stupid that talking point sounds.Okay---in case you did not know, espionage is a Capital Offense. End of story. Case Closed. So yeah---Get the rope.5523
Where did you see/hear that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtEynZFJvc4
I don’t understand how deletion of hundreds of thousands of emails isn’t hiding something. What Hillary did may or may not be more egregious than all of the hiding activity with security documents found in everyone’s bathroom, garage, Corvette, etc. I really don’t know because I don’t know the details but it the overview is all kind of the same thing.
So what about rice and Powell before her? They all did the same thing except didn’t use IT people that weren’t authorized to do work on classified systems. That was her one and only crime. Not even remotely similar to what trump has been accused of. But by all means continue on with your whataboutism.
So what about rice and Powell before her?
I'm sure you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they used their personal accounts to conduct the business of their office. If I recall correctly, they were both condemned by the media in a classic case of whataboutism when they admitted to having personal email accounts on their government issued phones regardless of the fact there was no evidence either used those accounts for anything other than personal use.
Sometimes whataboutism applies when discussing a specific case, but not in this one.
Yes. What aboutism applies in this case. Hillary consulted rice on what to do before she set up her server. And followed rice’s advice except that she hired inapproprite IT people. To claim that that somehow compares to stealing documents, refusing to give them back, and disclosing them to people not aithorozed to know about them is absurd.
Yes. What aboutism applies in this case. Hillary consulted rice on what to do before she set up her server. And followed rice’s advice except that she hired inapproprite IT people. To claim that that somehow compares to stealing documents, refusing to give them back, and disclosing them to people not aithorozed to know about them is absurd.
I suppose you're right, well, if you disregard the fact that she refused to disclose over 30,000 documents and used government level software to ensure those documents could never be recovered, physically destroyed devices which may have once contained those documents and obviously shared to some degree since some showed up on Anthony Weiner's laptop after he was driven from office in disgrace. I guess it just depends upon how you make your case and the willingness of anyone asking questions to go along.
The more interesting point today is to compare the way it was dealt with by the DOJ. It was resolved as a political matter rather than criminal where current cases are being dealt with as criminal matters rather than political. There's probably a reason for that, if we could only discover what it is.
Perhaps we’ll understand better once trump’s trial happens. Or perhaps not since I doubt that the government wants to share with the world who, if anyone, he sold defense secrets to.
Perhaps we’ll understand better once trump’s trial happens. Or perhaps not since I doubt that the government wants to share with the world who, if anyone, he sold defense secrets to.
LOL, there's enough there that we could probably just skip you making stuff up out of thin air.
frugal-one
6-10-23, 7:30pm
I see that Rachel Maddow has suggested that the DOJ should dismiss all charges against Trump in exchange for him dropping out of the Presidential race. I wonder if that hasn't been the goal all along?
Wrong! I looked at the info you provided and that is not what was said. She said this is not the way it should go... referring to the way Agnew 50 years ago got out of the situation. Rewind to around minute 13+. You wanted that to be what she said but it is not!
Wrong! .....
She made the same point that I made with JP just a few posts ago, that there were two ways for the DOJ to deal with the situation and the only parallel situation on record was that of Spiro Agnew. The DOJ chose to deal with that case in a political manner rather than criminal and suggested they may do the same with Trump.
Regardless of what Hillary did or didn't do, it seems like leaving nuclear secrets and plans of counter attacks in boxes in a bathroom during cocktail parties and then possibly bragging about them should be seriously legally wrong. Or some version of similar situations. Not to mention obstructing their retrieval back to a secure place. At least that's the media spin on things. One could be lead to think it's the DOJ on trial by some accounts that obfuscate the basic facts.
I think most voters might take issue with your assertion that “inflation is relatively tame”. I also think the push to move individual college debt to the general tax paying public won’t be all that popular with the general tax paying public. The general laxity of the Democrats concerning crime and our porous border could also be fertile fields to plow. Of course, it would be helpful for Democrats to identify with reparations
I don’t think that things are going so swimmingly under the Democrats that the GOP has no issues to run on. Taking Trump off the board would do wonders.
Public perception probably rules the day, but how does inflation compare to historic averages and is it going down or up. And did the four years of GOP admiration under Trump really do anything long term to solve the issues of crime and immigration. Seems like they just passed it along to the next guy who has not done much better, although there are probably figures on that, too.
LOL, there's enough there that we could probably just skip you making stuff up out of thin air.
I guess if your definition of thin air is a LIV golf deal and a $2 billion ‘investment’ with his son in law, who had previously been a member of trump’s administration. Sure, thin air. I’m sure the saudis only did those things because they are generous people. Not because trump is well known as a quid pro quo kinda guy. And if you question his quid pro quo Nona codes I’d suggest you reference his ‘perfect phone call’ with Vladimir Zelenskyy. The extortion call which the republicans in the senate brushed off as no big deal. Because as we all know IOKIYAAR. A truth that you personify quite well Alan.
Because as we all know IOKIYAAR. A truth that you personify quite well Alan.
LOL, I had to look that acronym up.
It seems to be very difficult to be a non-Trump GOP member these days:
North Carolina Republican delegates voted more than two-to-one at their party convention this weekend to censure Senator Thom Tillis, accusing him of straying from conservative values around gay rights, gun violence, and border security.
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/north-carolina-republicans-censure-thom-tillis-accuse-him-of-straying-from-party-platform/
frugal-one
6-12-23, 7:11am
Wrong! I looked at the info you provided and that is not what was said. She said this is not the way it should go... referring to the way Agnew 50 years ago got out of the situation. Rewind to around minute 13+. You wanted that to be what she said but it is not!
She made the same point that I made with JP just a few posts ago, that there were two ways for the DOJ to deal with the situation and the only parallel situation on record was that of Spiro Agnew. The DOJ chose to deal with that case in a political manner rather than criminal and suggested they may do the same with Trump.
As suggested earlier watch around minute 13… Maddow showed how situation was dealt with earlier and she felt it WAS NOT the way to go.
It seems to be very difficult to be a non-Trump GOP member these days:
https://www.nationalreview.com/news/north-carolina-republicans-censure-thom-tillis-accuse-him-of-straying-from-party-platform/
Do NC republicans, unlike the national Republican Party, actually have a platform?
flowerseverywhere
6-15-23, 6:50am
Yesterday I saw a woman at a streetcorner. She had huge signs and trump flags all around her. The signs said "witch hunt", "pick a crime, find the evidence". " happy birthday to the greatest president" and so on. She was waving a huge American flag, which scraped along the ground as she waved it, wearing a MAGA hat.
Her right, but not what I would spend my time and money on. And I don't think for one minute you are going to influence anyone by protesting, marching, waving flags, having a lets go Brandon flag waving behind you or wearing a hat.
An interview with conservative voters in Iowa. Iowa PBS. They're out there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnIIfuQswWU
I’ve got a good friend who retired to Waterloo Iowa. He likes to say he would never vote for a candidate he didn’t meet personally. I’ve asked him to try and get me a Vivek Ramaswamy button for my collection.
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