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gimmethesimplelife
8-2-23, 12:18pm
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bidens-crackdown-another-appliance-worse-than-stoves
I swear I'm not becoming a Republican.....but the above goal of Biden's really chaps my hide. Air conditioning is akin to water in Phoenix - it is life. Or at least very necessary to have any civilized kind of life. I have even gotten by on one meal a day in the past to keep my share of the electric bill current. It is that big a deal.
Making AC more expensive will not win Biden votes or friends in Arizona. Likely not in Texas nor the South including Georgia which he narrowly carried in 2020. Rob
frugal-one
8-2-23, 12:28pm
Watching fox fake “news”…..
Watching fox fake “news”…..
Is it less fake if it comes from the EPA? https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-takes-latest-step-national-phasedown-climate-damaging#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20%E2%80%93%20Today%2C %20the%20U.S.%20Environmental,levels%20from%202024 %20through%202028.
frugal-one
8-2-23, 12:35pm
Fox news is there for entertainment. Not a place to get reliable news
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/
iris lilies
8-2-23, 12:48pm
Fox news is there for entertainment. Not a place to get reliable news
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/
Why deflect Rob’s concern? It is almost as if you don’t want discussion of this latest Biden directive.
Fox news is there for entertainment.
I remember when I was a kid we'd have evening news on the TV which consisted of 15min of local news and 15min of national news, which meant Walter Cronkite in my household. It wasn't ratings driven as ratings didn't matter since the FCC required all stations broadcasting over public airwaves to cover news as a public service.
With the advent of cable TV that public service mandate went away since cable providers did not broadcast over public airwaves, that and the creation of CNN as a 24hr news operation required a change in how news was presented, it became ratings based and all non-public airwaves based broadcasters switched to content designed to keep viewers in their seats by slanting those opinions according to preferred audience demographics.
If you think your preferred TV news sources are not working to keep you entertained by providing opinions slanted to your preferences, you don't understand how the business works.
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/bidens-crackdown-another-appliance-worse-than-stoves
I swear I'm not becoming a Republican.....but the above goal of Biden's really chaps my hide. Air conditioning is akin to water in Phoenix - it is life. Or at least very necessary to have any civilized kind of life. I have even gotten by on one meal a day in the past to keep my share of the electric bill current. It is that big a deal.
Making AC more expensive will not win Biden votes or friends in Arizona. Likely not in Texas nor the South including Georgia which he narrowly carried in 2020. Rob
They don’t f*cking care. Since they think less people will mean less stress on the planet and less pollution, just kill ‘em off. They really do not give a shit about actual people.
I can’t take heat and humidity. Ac is at 65 when I’m home.
gimmethesimplelife
8-2-23, 1:58pm
They don’t f*cking care. Since they think less people will mean less stress on the planet and less pollution, just kill ‘em off. They really do not give a shit about actual people.
I can’t take heat and humidity. Ac is at 65 when I’m home.Jealous!!! We set ours at 78F and I've wondered if this is living too large - but anything over say 82F and I can't sleep. Rob
gimmethesimplelife
8-2-23, 2:00pm
Is it less fake if it comes from the EPA? https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/biden-harris-administration-takes-latest-step-national-phasedown-climate-damaging#:~:text=WASHINGTON%20%E2%80%93%20Today%2C %20the%20U.S.%20Environmental,levels%20from%202024 %20through%202028.Thank You for posting the EPA article. Rob
Jealous!!! We set ours at 78F and I've wondered if this is living too large - but anything over say 82F and I can't sleep. Rob
You don’t have hot flashes! LOL My electric bill also hasn’t gone over $55. So very affordable. Small place.
ApatheticNoMore
8-2-23, 2:12pm
I think it's FALSE to interpret a crack down on hyrdroflourocarbons as a crackdown on A/C. Because I believe there are newer A/C technologies without that. Now I'm not saying we all have them now, I live in an ancient apartment why would I have anything new and high tech in my building. I rather wish someone would force them to upgrade my apartment, but that is also not how anything tends to work, it tends to be only new installations/products.
Reading that EPA articles is on the face of it very impressive, maybe it's not as good as it seems, but on the face of it. That's the kind of policy we should have for ALL greenhouse gasses (not just hyrdoflurocarbons), yea I know there's a treaty for that and there isn't really for C02. But the approach makes sense.
And yes if you are watching/reading Fox news, it's the junk food of news. Although honestly maybe I am being a bit too hard on Fox *news* here, as I see that is clearly labeled as an opinion column, meaning it's not even labeled a news article and even pretending to be objective. So although Fox has been in court for falsehoods, in this case it would be silly to even expect it to have any standards, as it's an opinion column, so it can be entirely made up.
Air conditioning is akin to water in Phoenix - it is life. Or at least very necessary to have any civilized kind of life.
One might ask about the wisdom of living in a hostile environment that requires air conditioning and importing water.
Well, time will solve that problem. Ask the Hohokam.
One might ask about the wisdom of living in a hostile environment that requires air conditioning and importing water.
Well, time will solve that problem. Ask the Hohokam.
I've thought if I ever moved to the arid SW (not bloody likely) that I would rent, so that I could bug out when the water inevitably dried up.
ApatheticNoMore
8-2-23, 3:56pm
The contrast with the EPA write up is just fascinating. You have an actual bipartisan bill (don't know the vote total but this was cosponsored by a Republican so it's fair to call it that), you have trade associations weighing in in favor of the phase out. You have international law on this ratified in the U.S. by the Senate. It's so by the book and consensus based it hurts. But it can maybe make a difference.
And then you have screaming about Biden as if it even was all Biden, true it needs enforcement and that is the EPA which does fall under Biden. But it was never all Biden.
And then you have screaming about Biden as if it even was all Biden, true it needs enforcement and that is the EPA which does fall under Biden. But it was never all Biden.
The EPA. Ah yes, that creation of the famous woke liberal Nixon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVNuT4fkjAs
Why deflect Rob’s concern? It is almost as if you don’t want discussion of this latest Biden directive.
Did you read what I sent? fox "news" is not a reliable source of information.
ApatheticNoMore
8-2-23, 5:24pm
But I suspect a lot of publications don't apply much fact checking to opinion pieces. Maybe it just seems so :laff:
Did you read what I sent? fox "news" is not a reliable source of information.
What is incorrect or unreliable in the opinion piece Rob linked?
What is incorrect or unreliable in the opinion piece Rob linked?
Well, to start with, the headline is a bit questionable...
"Biden's new crackdown on another appliance".
Well, to start with, the headline is a bit questionable...
"Biden's new crackdown on another appliance".
OK, fair enough, it probably should have been "The Biden administration's new crackdown on another appliance",which would be more in line with the official EPA article entitled "Biden-Harris Administration Takes Latest Step in National Phasedown of Climate-damaging Hydrofluorocarbons".
What else?
iris lilies
8-2-23, 6:59pm
The contrast with the EPA write up is just fascinating. You have an actual bipartisan bill (don't know the vote total but this was cosponsored by a Republican so it's fair to call it that), you have trade associations weighing in in favor of the phase out. You have international law on this ratified in the U.S. by the Senate. It's so by the book and consensus based it hurts. But it can maybe make a difference.
And then you have screaming about Biden as if it even was all Biden, true it needs enforcement and that is the EPA which does fall under Biden. But it was never all Biden.
Well, it happened to Joe Biden’s watch so he gets all the credit. But certainly, as you point out, there was by-partisan effort to bring some of this to the forefront.
Just like he gets all the credit for today’s frightening downgrading of US debt rating. Sure, there’s multiple past presidents and Congresses and business environments that have contributed to this, but it happened on his watch so I am giving him the turkey award.
https://i.imgur.com/9CsnsS7.jpg
iris lilies
8-2-23, 8:29pm
https://i.imgur.com/9CsnsS7.jpg
haha, ok. I accept it.
I'm glad I don't have children. The idea that I'd proudly be advocating for them to suffer a dying planet because I bought into this sad fox "news" stories would make me ashamed in my dying days of life. But by all means sad sackers, please tell us how you're proud to advocate for more hydroflourocarbons. YAY DEAD PLANET!
It's so silly, misleading and almost dangerous for Fox "news" to tell people that Biden is taking away their air conditioning. The EPA article (thank you, Alan, for posting it) says:
“President Biden has brought together a broad coalition of American manufacturers to work on next-generation technologies across refrigeration, HVAC systems, and more – helping us cool without contributing more to global warming,” said Ali Zaidi, White House National Climate Advisor. “With today’s final rule, this Administration is continuing to deliver win-wins for climate action and U.S. manufacturing competitiveness while ensuring that American workers reap the benefits of a growing global market for HFC alternatives.”
Next gen technologies that are less polluting will gradually replace hydrofluorocarbons in much the same way unleaded gas pumps replaced gas with lead. The Biden Administration has targeted air conditioning as another important step to addressing climate change. As an example, the organization Project Drawdown has provided some possible scenarios for various solutions to high-polluting refrigerants: https://drawdown.org/solutions/alternative-refrigerants
But I also agree with bae, that the fact that so many humans depend upon air conditioning to survive is a very new reality. I remember when there was no air conditioning across the vast majority of all buildings in the US. We used to go to the movie theaters that had "We have Air Conditioning!" signs on their doors. Like the availability of cars leading to an entirely new suburban culture in the 50s, air-conditioning made life in the desert possible. I understand that everyone needs to live somewhere and it's their right to, but personally, I would never live anywhere where I would have to depend on air conditioning for my comfort and health. Obviously, I'm in the minority, but the less technology I need in order to live, the freer I feel.
Teacher Terry
8-3-23, 11:15am
You don’t need AC to live in Reno. Many older homes don’t have it because it cools down at night. When I worked we rarely used it because you open the windows at night and closed everything during the day. However, no one would live in Vegas without it.
frugal-one
8-3-23, 12:42pm
One might ask about the wisdom of living in a hostile environment that requires air conditioning and importing water.
Well, time will solve that problem. Ask the Hohokam.
Depends… Can the person leave during the hot months or leave permanently with minimal or no loss? The impact of having to heat a place in a frigid environment is a HUGE consideration, as well as, the need for air conditioning in the summer there too. It is a trade off IMO.
One of the (many) positives of living in the PNW is not requiring AC in the summer or much heating in the winter. We have a pleasantly mild climate.
One of the (many) positives of living in the PNW is not requiring AC in the summer or much heating in the winter. We have a pleasantly mild climate.
Plus abundant water, and local food supplies.
The other issue regarding excessive need for A/C is that we have for a long time built buildings that don't do anything to reduce unnecessary heat load. For example the memorial classroom building at the University of Miami was built back in the late 40's without a/c. But it was designed accordingly. It's just a long, straight, 3 story building that runs from east to west. Open air "hallways" are on the south side, with doors to the classrooms. The north wall is entirely windows that could be opened wide from 3 feet off the floor to the ceiling. The south hallways prevent the sun from hitting the south walls of the building and there are transoms over the classroom doors. Open up the north side windows and the transom and you could get a nice breeze. By the time I went to school there in the late 80's the building had been retrofitted with A/C because by then everything in Florida had A/C since people like me from cooler climates would probably have opted to go to school elsewhere if they didn't have A/C everywhere. The newer campus buildings, though, didn't even attempt to manage heat load or provide for good ventilation. Housing all over the country has similarly lost the commonsense heat reduction strategies, making A/C far more urgent than it would be with appropriate shading and ventilation.
iris lilies
8-3-23, 8:43pm
It's so silly, misleading and almost dangerous for Fox "news" to tell people that Biden is taking away their air conditioning…
Catherine , the Fox article doesn’t say “Biden is taking away air conditioning. “ It talks about increased costs.
you must be thinking of a threat from the Biden administration to “take away gas stoves “which was them floating an idea, an alarming idea, based on what happened in New York, where gas stoves have been outlawed in new construction of certain size buildings.
“President Biden has brought together a broad coalition of American manufacturers to work on next-generation technologies across refrigeration, HVAC systems, and more – helping us cool without contributing more to global warming…”
that is nice. I hope it works. It will all be more expensive though of course. I don’t mind, but others will.
Every time we talk about laws and regulations being placed on home appliances, I think about my washing machine that comes with so many required safety and environmental bells and whistles, I don’t like it. I still haven’t figured out how to do a soak. it may not be possible. And by“bells and whistles “I’m not talking about a high-end machine, I buy standard washers and dryers, nothing high end. I just want the same machines I had 25 years ago. I want the same car I had in 1997 with the addition of a back up camera.
Catherine , the Fox article doesn’t say “Biden is taking away air conditioning. “ It talks about increased costs.
you must be thinking of a threat from the Biden administration to “take away gas stoves “which was them floating an idea, an alarming idea, based on what happened in New York, where gas stoves have been outlawed in new construction of certain size buildings.
that is nice. I hope it works. It will all be more expensive though of course. I don’t mind, but others will.
Every time we talk about laws and regulations being placed on home appliances, I think about my washing machine that comes with so many required safety and environmental bells and whistles, I don’t like it. I still haven’t figured out how to do a soak. it may not be possible. And by“bells and whistles “I’m not talking about a high-end machine, I buy standard washers and dryers, nothing high end. I just want the same machines I had 25 years ago. I want the same car I had in 1997 with the addition of a back up camera.
I was thinking of buying a reconditioned W/D pair circa 1987, or just having mine repaired should they go bad.
Catherine , the Fox article doesn’t say “Biden is taking away air conditioning. “ It talks about increased costs.
LOL, I was gonna point that out myself but decided it would be a waste of time.
"All lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..." ~ Paul Simon - The Boxer
ApatheticNoMore
8-3-23, 11:30pm
When it was clearly shown that it wasn't just Biden. So the executive branch, enforcement is their thing, and I do trust Biden's EPA with that. But this is all stemming from a bipartisan bill, plus a Senate ratified global treaty etc.
Does this only impact central A/C or window units too?
LOL, I was gonna point that out myself but decided it would be a waste of time.
"All lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest..." ~ Paul Simon - The Boxer
OK, I admit that was at least a stretch and at most a misinterpretation, but Fox News's message is that consumers lose something with this bill--whether it's money, comfort, or freedom, and creating scare tactics to stir the pot.
iris, "I still haven’t figured out how to do a soak. it may not be possible. " Iris, I figured out how on my washer after 3 years and dingy clothes! The pause button or Start that you press for 3 seconds to stop the washer to put something in works for soaking. The trick is push the pause button WITHOUT opening the lid. Then it just sits. So, I put a load in, start it for 5 min or so, then go down and push that start button again and voila!!! you can soak as long as you want! :cool:
iris lilies
8-4-23, 11:52am
iris, "I still haven’t figured out how to do a soak. it may not be possible. " Iris, I figured out how on my washer after 3 years and dingy clothes! The pause button or Start that you press for 3 seconds to stop the washer to put something in works for soaking. The trick is push the pause button WITHOUT opening the lid. Then it just sits. So, I put a load in, start it for 5 min or so, then go down and push that start button again and voila!!! you can soak as long as you want! :cool:
thank you for the tip. I think I’ve tried that, and it probably works, it’s just that I didn’t know how long to let it go, filling with water, before I hit the pause button. Since I can’t see how much water is in the drum, I have to guess. So maybe I’ll go at five minutes and try that. Thanks so much.
IL, your auto signature is cracking me up.. :~)
iris lilies
8-4-23, 9:09pm
IL, your auto signature is cracking me up.. :~)
I have to keep myself entertained, so I’m glad you like it too.
Iris, If you push the pause button, open the lid, check the water lever, close the lid, push the pause button again it stops it again. You can do this lots of times. It seems to be filled after 5 minutes, I use deep wash setting on all my loads of wash. Good luck and happy soaking!!!
happystuff
8-11-23, 6:55am
My machine is easy - simply leave the lid open. The machine will fill but will not start running until the lid is closed.
Oh, mine is a top-load, not a front load. LOL.
People are silly. One of the neighbors in my complex (mixed apartment style condos with some townhouses) is on a crusade to get everyone to replace their gas furnaces and water heaters with electric heat pumps/mini split systems and electric tankless water heaters. Kitchen ranges are electric as are the clothes dryers. Also trying to get electric vehicle chargers installed.
It’s particularly silly since according to my limited understanding electrical service would have to be upgraded massively and that’s not going to happen in a multi family development from the early 1980s. If this person wants such things, she should move to her own house, not a condo.
We’re considering a heat pump water heater when our current one needs replacing which hopefully won’t be for a while. It’s our only gas appliance now that we replaced the gas furnace with a heat pump so the $15 monthly fee for gas service makes the current water heater really expensive to operate. Especially since SO is now showering at the gym five days a week so our hot water usage is really low.
We’re considering a heat pump water heater when our current one needs replacing which hopefully won’t be for a while. It’s our only gas appliance now that we replaced the gas furnace with a heat pump so the $15 monthly fee for gas service makes the current water heater really expensive to operate. Especially since SO is now showering at the gym five days a week so our hot water usage is really low.
My gas furnace was just replaced last year.
That does sound like it would be a good choice for your situation.
My gas furnace was just replaced last year.
That does sound like it would be a good choice for your situation.
I’m looking forward to winter. My math found that the heat pump will be quite a bit cheaper than the old old gas furnace so I hope that really happens. And since most of our development still has the original gas furnaces (with our climate they last a long time since they don’t have to work too hard) strain on the grid shouldn’t be an issue.
I’m looking forward to winter. My math found that the heat pump will be quite a bit cheaper than the old old gas furnace so I hope that really happens. And since most of our development still has the original gas furnaces (with our climate they last a long time since they don’t have to work too hard) strain on the grid shouldn’t be an issue.
Haha. My unit still had the original one from the early 80s! I had babied it for a few years and then in Jan 2022, it broke and couldn’t be fixed. I went through the rest of the winter with a couple of electric heaters that I only used when home. It never dropped below 53 inside. I happen to like cold and got along just fine.
Haha. My unit still had the original one from the early 80s! I had babied it for a few years and then in Jan 2022, it broke and couldn’t be fixed. I went through the rest of the winter with a couple of electric heaters that I only used when home. It never dropped below 53 inside. I happen to like cold and got along just fine.
Yeah, ours was the original from 1978. It hadn't broken but I figured we'd gotten really lucky to get through 3 winters with nothing more than an annual checkup to make sure it wasn't going to asphyxiate us or burn the house down. And I didn't want to be panic buying a $20,000 home improvement so this spring we got several quotes, picked the best one, and then had it installed in May when we don't need heat or a/c.
If you lived here you could probably live without heat but you would need a/c for the summer. Today only got up to around 80 outside so inside in the SW facing upstairs bedrooms its 77 currently. Downstairs is still 72. It gets down in the 50's most nights in summer so putting fans in the windows all night and closing everything in the morning means that we start the day in the mid/upper-60's inside and slowly warm up as the day progresses.
File under "first world problems" or more specifically: "first world problems of the 1%"
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