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iris lilies
12-2-23, 2:49pm
He is half a million dollars in debt to the Federal government for back taxes. What a jerk.

I don’t mind that he is a womanizer, that doesn’t affect me or society at large. But the back taxes! The hypocrisy of earning so much and he cries poor! The utterly ridiculous reasons he offers for his poverty which include the millstone around his neck of student loans.

The guy is an old man and has had plenty of time and money to pay his “student loans.”

Reminds me of the couple recently featured in Ramit Sathi’s podcast who brought in $300,000 annually but did not pay on their student loans. That mindset, embraced by Cornell West and his ilk that student loans are an impossible burden, is yet another from Joe Biden’s leadership to poison our society.

https://archive.ph/2023.12.01-115606/https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimadenham/2023/12/01/why-cornel-west-is-broke/?sh=6f4cb3df55aa
catherine
12-2-23, 6:13pm
Yesh, that article disappoints me. I really like him and his thinking, but I question his ability to lead a country if he can't keep his personal finances straight.
iris lilies
12-2-23, 6:24pm
Yesh, that article disappoints me. I really like him and his thinking, but I question his ability to lead a country if he can't keep his personal finances straight.

he is one of those academics who did important work early in his career. His subsequent fame and fortune sunk him.
LDAHL
12-3-23, 2:54pm
Some of the jobs I’ve held included a credit check and other financial info as part of the hiring process. It never seemed too intrusive to me for the functions I was signing up for.
jp1
12-4-23, 7:48am
Yes, it’s definitely joe biden’s dault that this clown doesn’t pay his student loans. !Splat!
iris lilies
12-4-23, 1:20pm
Yes, it’s definitely joe biden’s fault that this clown doesn’t pay his student loans. !Splat!

I don’t think it’s OK that Joe Biden attempted an unconstitutional act to overturn statute about student loans. The Supreme Court court stopped him.

If President Biden had had his way, old man West wouldn’t have to pay his decades-old debt but I’m sure he would’ve found something else to whine about.
Yppej
12-4-23, 1:59pm
I'm thinking Jill Stein will be the way to go if I go third party, but she isn't holding events so I can go ask her question(s).
catherine
12-4-23, 2:13pm
I'm thinking Jill Stein will be the way to go if I go third party, but she isn't holding events so I can go ask her question(s).

I may be with you on that.
iris lilies
12-4-23, 2:24pm
I may be with you on that.
I can’t believe I’m going to say this:


As someone who voted third-party in the last two elections, I would urge you both to think twice about that. I think Donald Trump is a big enough threat that I will most likely be voting for whoever is on the Democratic ticket even if it’s comatose
Daddy Joe and the unpopular K. Harris.

yes, the choices suck, they absolutely suck.
bae
12-4-23, 3:05pm
I can’t believe I’m going to say this:


As someone who voted third-party in the last two elections, I would urge you both to think twice about that. I think Donald Trump is a big enough threat that I will most likely be voting for whoever is on the Democratic ticket even if it’s comatose
Daddy Joe and the unpopular K. Harris.

yes, the choices suck, they absolutely suck.

Luckily, I live in a state that the Democratic candidate will win by a significant measure, so I can feel free to vote for the best person. If there is one.

I would enjoy it if we moved to a ranked-choice voting system however.
LDAHL
12-4-23, 4:28pm
In the by no means certain event that Trump gets the nomination, I will probably vote Libertarian again.
catherine
12-4-23, 6:47pm
Luckily, I live in a state that the Democratic candidate will win by a significant measure, so I can feel free to vote for the best person. If there is one.

I would enjoy it if we moved to a ranked-choice voting system however.

bae, you were the one who convinced me that I shouldn't vote strategically for one of the two parties--I should vote for who I think would be best. I am afraid that even as divided we are as a country, there aren't that many significant differences between the extreme right and the extreme left. I also truly believe the culture itself not on the right track. So I think in my old age I'm going to be who I always wanted to be as a teenager in the 60s when my mother wouldn't let me be a hippie even though I wanted to be one. Let my final and only act of rebellion in my life be voting as a proud counterculturalist.
ApatheticNoMore
12-4-23, 6:47pm
I don't actually think there are any GOOD 3rd party choices either. It's not like there is some 3rd party dream choice that is so tempting I just have to vote for them (maybe if Ralph Nader was running). I'd take Cornell West over Jill Stein though, between those two. Obviously I don't live in a swing state, if I did I'd obviously be voting Biden in the general, may anyway. If not in a swing state it's largely symbolic, so choose your symbolism. I think voting for Biden just to symbolically vote against Trump is ok.
jp1
12-5-23, 7:13am
bae, you were the one who convinced me that I shouldn't vote strategically for one of the two parties--I should vote for who I think would be best. I am afraid that even as divided we are as a country, there aren't that many significant differences between the extreme right and the extreme left. I also truly believe the culture itself not on the right track. So I think in my old age I'm going to be who I always wanted to be as a teenager in the 60s when my mother wouldn't let me be a hippie even though I wanted to be one. Let my final and only act of rebellion in my life be voting as a proud counterculturalist.

Are you saying that you don’t think there’s much difference between biden and the guy who attempted a coup against the country when he lost re-election and has more recently promised a thuggish autocratic nightmare of a presidency if he gets elected a second time?
catherine
12-5-23, 9:33am
Are you saying that you don’t think there’s much difference between biden and the guy who attempted a coup against the country when he lost re-election and has more recently promised a thuggish autocratic nightmare of a presidency if he gets elected a second time?

Well, we'll see who winds up running, and what the polls say, and, as bae said, how "blue" my state votes. Vermont is pretty reliably blue. I do not want Trump to win, that's for sure, but I think I'm like the Republicans here who may hold their noses and vote for Biden, which wouldn't be a vote against Biden because I think he's done a decent job as President. It would be a statement on our collective values.
Yppej
12-5-23, 2:21pm
Are you saying that you don’t think there’s much difference between biden and the guy who attempted a coup against the country when he lost re-election and has more recently promised a thuggish autocratic nightmare of a presidency if he gets elected a second time?

Biden ignores the constitution all the time funding and waging wars without Congress declaring war.
jp1
12-5-23, 10:07pm
Biden ignores the constitution all the time funding and waging wars without Congress declaring war.

Every president from at least JFK on has done that. Korea was also never declared but I'm not sure if Eisenhower actually conducted any war without congress declaring it so I won't state unequivocally that this goes back to Truman and I'm too lazy to actually check.
jp1
12-5-23, 10:13pm
Well, we'll see who winds up running, and what the polls say, and, as bae said, how "blue" my state votes. Vermont is pretty reliably blue. I do not want Trump to win, that's for sure, but I think I'm like the Republicans here who may hold their noses and vote for Biden, which wouldn't be a vote against Biden because I think he's done a decent job as President. It would be a statement on our collective values.

I guess my point is that when each of us votes in the presidential election we're not voting "right" or "left". Or "center" for that matter. We're voting for one of two very real, specific people and the policies and leadership styles that we believe they will bring to the white house. Or alternatively, voting "none of the above" if we vote for a third party, or decide not to vote at all. Personally I'm of the opinion that the presidency has too much power for me to vote "none of the above". The time for voting my conscience in terms of what I want my party and its leaders to be is during the primaries. Since there will be no meaningful primary for the democratic party this time around I won't be using my idealism to decide who to vote for. I'll be making that decision based on who I think won't attempt to overthrow the country or use his power as the head of the government to attack his political enemies.
Yppej
12-6-23, 9:20am
Every president from at least JFK on has done that. Korea was also never declared but I'm not sure if Eisenhower actually conducted any war without congress declaring it so I won't state unequivocally that this goes back to Truman and I'm too lazy to actually check.

Doesn't make it right. We could elect someone like Vivek Rawaswamy who would actually follow the constitution, who isn't gunning to take away First Amendment rights from anyone who criticizes Israel policy on campuses like DeSantis is, or from anyone who dares to criticize covid policy like Trump/Biden did with their "misinformation" patrols with big tech and big pharma.
iris lilies
12-6-23, 1:19pm
I think the popular vote is important as well. It is an often cited number, especially by those who lose thru the electoral college but win or come in a razor thin close 2nd.

So what I am saying is your major party vote DOES count regardless if your state is safely blue or red.
LDAHL
12-7-23, 12:29pm
I used to take the “strategic voting” tack, but I’ve come around to the “vote my conscience” philosophy. Our politics will never evolve if we stay obsessed with short-term tribal warfare. I’m willing to take a longer view and support what I believe to be a more intelligent form of governance, even if that puts me in the minority.

I think both the likely major party candidates have demonstrated a certain hostility to the Constitutional order. But I also think we have a system of checks in place that won’t allow tanks to roll down Fifth Avenue or the creation of a Truth Ministry anytime soon. So I’m content to decline the invitation to panic and weigh in on what I’d like to see happen in the longer term.

Although I do think Bae has a point about ranked choice voting. That might serve to take some of the hysteria out of the process. I’d also like to see an end to the current primary system. It doesn’t seem to produce high quality candidates.