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gimmethesimplelife
12-28-23, 8:43pm
I just got home from a crazy day at work and went to yahoo.com news and YES! YES! YES! There it was - the expected decision in Maine to kick DJT to the curb and refuse to allow him and his authoritarian/Hitlerian rhetoric on the ballots in this great state. I am so impressed! I've only been to Maine a couple of times and this was years and years ago - in the 70's. I remember taking the ferry with my folks from Bar Harbour to Halifax and my Mother apologizing to me there that I was not born in Canada - and I also remember passing by LL Beans main store.

I understand the coastline resembles Oregon and that seafood is a big deal there. I'm going to have to do something culinary to show respect to both this state and Colorado. Rob

jp1
12-28-23, 10:34pm
I understand the coastline resembles Oregon and that seafood is a big deal there. I'm going to have to do something culinary to show respect to both this state and Colorado. Rob

Lobster with a side of Rocky Mountain Oysters? Or maybe a quirky "surf'n'turf" of lobster and buffalo steak? (the Buckhorn Exchange in Denver has long served buffalo steaks and prime rib. It was a bit pricey for my family growing up but I remember once going there and having a buffalo steak which was tasty but not something I've ever had again.)

I appreciate the memory but don't need to repeat it since I pretty much stopped eating red meat about 30 years ago. The only time I've had red meat in the past 20 years was when I went to one of the original McDonalds in southern california with a friend of mine a few years ago and got a cheeseburger since that was what I used to get in high school when my friends and I would ditch class and go to McDonalds. I almost vomited. The burger was both tasty and quite disagreeable at the same time.

Alan
12-28-23, 11:52pm
I just got home from a crazy day at work and went to yahoo.com news and YES! YES! YES! There it was - the expected decision in Maine to kick DJT to the curb and refuse to allow him and his authoritarian/Hitlerian rhetoric on the ballots in this great state. I am so impressed!
I'm not impressed. This looks to me like another attempt by States Attorneys General to raise their political profiles through anti-democratic gestures. Much like Colorado, the Maine AG has ruled on the matter but delayed implementation pending an expected Supreme Court ruling, which will almost certainly fail to pass muster. Democrats across the board will then cry foul and blame the Supremes for allowing someone neither convicted nor charged with insurrection to run for office in their state.

It's a win/win for both the individual AG's seeking national recognition and the Democrat Party as a whole as they seek to invalidate a Supreme Court who refuses to act as the party wishes.

Politics is a repulsive business.

Yppej
12-29-23, 6:17am
Yeah, not impressed with AG’s. Another thing that’s happened is they specify how opioid settlement funds from lawsuits against the Sacklers et al be spent. It’s not on medical treatment for addicts or halfway houses. It’s for opioid outreach workers, highly paid bureaucratic positions that build their power base. In my city one outreach person is a lawyer who decided this would be an easier and almost as lucrative a job.

Tybee
12-29-23, 7:40am
Hi Rob, greetings from Maine. I would think a lobster roll would be the thing. Or easier still, buy the Moody's Diner cookbook. Moody's Diner is wonderful, and is on Rte 1 in Waldoboro, on the coast.
What's Cooking at Moody's Diner book by Nancy Genthner (thriftbooks.com) (https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/whats-cooking-at-moodys-diner_nancy-genthner/573132/item/3127774/?mkwid=%7cdc&pcrid=76622395087230&pkw=&pmt=be&slid=&product=3127774&plc=&pgrid=1225955761390001&ptaid=pla-4580221857838627&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping+-+High+Vol+Midlist+-+Under+%2410&utm_term=&utm_content=%7cdc%7cpcrid%7c76622395087230%7cpkw%7 c%7cpmt%7cbe%7cproduct%7c3127774%7cslid%7c%7cpgrid %7c1225955761390001%7cptaid%7cpla-4580221857838627%7c&msclkid=c352bc4d04b31edb6ce8d9c3ab034a06#idiq=3127 774&edition=4649872)

jp1
12-29-23, 8:17am
Again with the nonexistent conviction clause. Thanks Alan.

Rogar
12-29-23, 9:45am
Lobster with a side of Rocky Mountain Oysters? Or maybe a quirky "surf'n'turf" of lobster and buffalo steak? (the Buckhorn Exchange in Denver has long served buffalo steaks and prime rib. It was a bit pricey for my family growing up but I remember once going there and having a buffalo steak which was tasty but not something I've ever had again.)

I appreciate the memory but don't need to repeat it since I pretty much stopped eating red meat about 30 years ago.

Add some LL Bean Muk Luks for me. The Buckhorn Exchange is a great spot to take tourists not only because of it's menu, but it's history. I'd consider Rocky Mountain Oysters a white meat should you care to indulge. I've had Oysters at the infamous Bruce's Bar and must say they were quie good, but it's pretty much a one time deal for me.

I can imagine the Supreme Court will have the final word over any arguments of conviction legislation, real or imagined. I believe in Colorado if the court refuses to hear an appeal, that Trumps name will be on the ballot. In the unlikely event that there is no appeal, the Colorado ruling will stand. It gets a little complicated. Of course any Supreme Court ruling will stand. I've not understood arguments about giving the voters the right to choose. Trump may have violated an article of the constitution and the outcome of that is up to the courts and not some sort of common vote. (Even if the Supreme Court has been weaponized by the GOP).

jp1
12-29-23, 10:12am
Saying ‘the voters should get to decide’ is a silly argument that basically says ‘the constitutional requirements for holding the office of the president are optional and the voters should be able to set them aside if they choose’. Taken to its logical conclusion if Elon musk or Arnold swartzenager decided to run for president despite not being born here we would have to allow them to be on the ballot and let the voters determine if they cared about that requirement.

Tradd
12-29-23, 10:36am
Saying ‘the voters should get to decide’ is a silly argument that basically says ‘the constitutional requirements for holding the office of the president are optional and the voters should be able to set them aside if they choose’. Taken to its logical conclusion if Elon musk or Arnold swartzenager decided to run for president despite not being born here we would have to allow them to be on the ballot and let the voters determine if they cared about that requirement.

Do you think non-citizens should be allowed to vote in ALL elections? Saw people arguing about this on FB this week. Some states allow non-citizens to vote in local/state elections. Some thought they should be allowed to vote in ALL elections, even for president.

gimmethesimplelife
12-29-23, 11:07am
Hi Rob, greetings from Maine. I would think a lobster roll would be the thing. Or easier still, buy the Moody's Diner cookbook. Moody's Diner is wonderful, and is on Rte 1 in Waldoboro, on the coast.
What's Cooking at Moody's Diner book by Nancy Genthner (thriftbooks.com) (https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/whats-cooking-at-moodys-diner_nancy-genthner/573132/item/3127774/?mkwid=%7cdc&pcrid=76622395087230&pkw=&pmt=be&slid=&product=3127774&plc=&pgrid=1225955761390001&ptaid=pla-4580221857838627&utm_source=bing&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping+-+High+Vol+Midlist+-+Under+%2410&utm_term=&utm_content=%7cdc%7cpcrid%7c76622395087230%7cpkw%7 c%7cpmt%7cbe%7cproduct%7c3127774%7cslid%7c%7cpgrid %7c1225955761390001%7cptaid%7cpla-4580221857838627%7c&msclkid=c352bc4d04b31edb6ce8d9c3ab034a06#idiq=3127 774&edition=4649872)Tybee, hi! I didn't know you were in Maine! Do you know New Hampshire well? If so, I started out my life in Sandown, New Hampshire, maybe 15 miles or so away from the Massachusetts state line. Do you know Ogunquit (sp?) I've often thought of visiting after this town was the home of one of the major characters of Stephen King's The Stand. And lobster rolls do sound good! Rob

gimmethesimplelife
12-29-23, 11:13am
Bless Colorado and Maine. Perhaps momentum will continue to build to force DJT off American ballots? One can hope. On the one hand, I dread political violence, but on the other hand - one of my neighbors has a different take. He says that we should embrace political violence as it may split this country up faster - I can understand that many of you are not down with this idea and just a few years ago I myself would have thought it was insane. No more.

Though I myself have managed to secure much better employment, not everyone can and I'm seeing more and more how exploitive American employers are to everyone, even the educated these days. I'd be down with this country splitting provided I am granted citizenship and a passport to the more liberal of the two countries emerging after such a split. And at the rate this country is going - I now believe such is likely within my lifetime. Rob

early morning
12-29-23, 11:14am
Not sure what jp1's post had to do with non-citizens voting - but I (a very liberal person!) don't think non-citizens should be allowed to vote in federal elections. I don't think they should be allowed to vote in state-wide elections, either, but that should be up to the individual state. I don't think a state should be able to dictate to local jurisdictions that they NOT be allowed to permit non-citizens to vote in local elections - that should also be up to the specific locality. If a town wants all people of voting age to have a say in town government, I say more power to them! (This is not currently possible in Ohio, as we passed a constitutional amendment to keep that from happening.)

gimmethesimplelife
12-29-23, 11:21am
I'm not impressed. This looks to me like another attempt by States Attorneys General to raise their political profiles through anti-democratic gestures. Much like Colorado, the Maine AG has ruled on the matter but delayed implementation pending an expected Supreme Court ruling, which will almost certainly fail to pass muster. Democrats across the board will then cry foul and blame the Supremes for allowing someone neither convicted nor charged with insurrection to run for office in their state.

It's a win/win for both the individual AG's seeking national recognition and the Democrat Party as a whole as they seek to invalidate a Supreme Court who refuses to act as the party wishes.

Politics is a repulsive business.Totally different subject. I used to tutor English in college years ago and I just wanted to say that I am impressed with your getting the following right - States Attorneys General. Many people don't know that in this case Attorneys General is correct instead of Attorney Generals. Rob

Rogar
12-29-23, 11:26am
I don't know if it's been in the national news, but our local news has reported that social media had published emails, home addresses, etc. of our justices. They have had numerous threats of violence against them and their families including people wanting to kill them. I'm not aware of any arrests, but they have been under police and FBI surveillance and protection. I personally believe there is a dotted line or solid line of this sort of thing going directly back to Trump rhetoric. It's exactly the sort of reaction he would like and an indication of his reign of retribution if elected.

gimmethesimplelife
12-29-23, 11:37am
I don't know if it's been in the national news, but our local news has reported that social media had published emails, home addresses, etc. of our justices. They have had numerous threats of violence against them and their families including people wanting to kill them. I'm not aware of any arrests, but they have been under police and FBI surveillance and protection. I personally believe there is a dotted line or solid line of this sort of thing going directly back to Trump rhetoric.Though I don't wish such on these justices and I fully understand such is wrong and indeed should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - perhaps there is a silver lining here?

Let me explain. If highly educated and extremely successful in the eyes of society court justices can no longer be safe in the United States - is this not more reason for the United States to eventually split up? Seriously, if folks of such a caliber aren't even safe in the US - I don't see the point in this country remaining intact as is. Such seems to work against more people than it helps. Radical to some, and quite sad I'd agree - but it's become crystal clear to me that this is the reality of the United States at this point. I don't even want to trash it any longer - I just wish for a split of some sort. And any crazy thing that happens from this point forward - to me will have the silver lining of perhaps a split will come faster. The United States in it's current form just does not work well for too many people and it's had enough chances. I don't advocate violence but I do see violence coming and violence of the sort that won't die down easy. Rob

Alan
12-29-23, 12:20pm
Totally different subject. I used to tutor English in college years ago and I just wanted to say that I am impressed with your getting the following right - States Attorneys General. Many people don't know that in this case Attorneys General is correct instead of Attorney Generals. Rob
LOL, I'm well aware that many people don't get it right, and at the same time mildly embarrassed that I used the term at all. I meant to say Secretaries of State and didn't realize my error until your response.
My bad!

LDAHL
12-29-23, 1:18pm
I'm not impressed. This looks to me like another attempt by States Attorneys General to raise their political profiles through anti-democratic gestures. Much like Colorado, the Maine AG has ruled on the matter but delayed implementation pending an expected Supreme Court ruling, which will almost certainly fail to pass muster. Democrats across the board will then cry foul and blame the Supremes for allowing someone neither convicted nor charged with insurrection to run for office in their state.

It's a win/win for both the individual AG's seeking national recognition and the Democrat Party as a whole as they seek to invalidate a Supreme Court who refuses to act as the party wishes.

Politics is a repulsive business.

I thought it was the Maine Secretary of State who made the call that shooting off one’s mouth was “engaging in insurrection” in the Nathan Bedford Forest sense. Although I’m sure the State AG will have plenty of opportunities to posture in the ensuing legal battles.

Rogar
12-29-23, 1:22pm
Though I don't wish such on these justices and I fully understand such is wrong and indeed should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - perhaps there is a silver lining here?

Let me explain. If highly educated and extremely successful in the eyes of society court justices can no longer be safe in the United States - is this not more reason for the United States to eventually split up? Seriously, if folks of such a caliber aren't even safe in the US - I don't see the point in this country remaining intact as is. Such seems to work against more people than it helps. Radical to some, and quite sad I'd agree - but it's become crystal clear to me that this is the reality of the United States at this point. I don't even want to trash it any longer - I just wish for a split of some sort. And any crazy thing that happens from this point forward - to me will have the silver lining of perhaps a split will come faster. The United States in it's current form just does not work well for too many people and it's had enough chances. I don't advocate violence but I do see violence coming and violence of the sort that won't die down easy. Rob

I really don't see national violence, as in widespread rioting or civil war. What I do see is a gradual migration to blue states that allow abortions, are probably more liberal in gay rights issues, maybe legal pot and medical treatments using psychedelics, legal end of life alternatives, etc. And maybe a migration into red states with more of an evangelical base, although the rusts belts are not that attractive. We are living in a mobile society and at least here in Colorado there are not a whole lot of people who are natives.

There is a program near by that rotates through various areas and will take firearms in trade for garden tools. They claim to melt down the weapons to make the garden tools. Anymore I use garden tools but not my old worn out hunting weapons and have been watching for them to be in my area. They are not that valuable and it's probably just as well to get them out of circulation and declutter the house. Thinking about it I might just hang onto things until the election outcome is known. Probably just irrational paranoia.

LDAHL
12-29-23, 1:23pm
If highly educated and extremely successful in the eyes of society court justices can no longer be safe in the United States - is this not more reason for the United States to eventually split up? Rob

Sounds like you’re a bit of an insurrectionist yourself.

Alan
12-29-23, 1:50pm
I thought it was the Maine Secretary of State who made the call that shooting off one’s mouth was “engaging in insurrection” in the Nathan Bedford Forest sense.
Yes it was, see my subsequent post. I'd do well to remember that old opinionated carpenter rule, think twice and type once.

LDAHL
12-29-23, 2:12pm
Yes it was, see my subsequent post. I'd do well to remember that old opinionated carpenter rule, think twice and type once.

Although what you said about state level Attorneys General probably applies double to Secretaries of State. The burgeoning of state administrative agencies over the past century or so has left little for them to do, so it’s safe to assume they would relish a chance for fifteen minutes in the national limelight.

bae
12-30-23, 2:22am
I was born in Maine.

I was unsuccessful ~25 years ago convincing the family to move to a small island in Maine, so we ended up here on a small island in Washington State instead.

Washington has ferries and roads to Canada as well - I just this moment got back from spending a few days in Vancouver BC.

jp1
12-30-23, 7:54am
Although what you said about state level Attorneys General probably applies double to Secretaries of State. The burgeoning of state administrative agencies over the past century or so has left little for them to do, so it’s safe to assume they would relish a chance for fifteen minutes in the national limelight.

Yes. I’m sure that’s exactly why two states have decided that trump shouldn’t be on the ballot.

LDAHL
12-30-23, 3:58pm
Yes. I’m sure that’s exactly why two states have decided that trump shouldn’t be on the ballot.

It could be that venal political ambitions play no role. It could be they are taking a principled stand that democracy is too important to leave to mere voters.

jp1
12-31-23, 9:04pm
As surely many conservatives would also point out our government includes a third coequal branch of both elected and unelected judges (although even the unelected ones are the result of elections since they are appointed by the people who win elections). We all likely disagree with some of the judgements made but those carry the force of legitimacy nonetheless.

LDAHL
1-2-24, 12:30pm
As surely many conservatives would also point out our government includes a third coequal branch of both elected and unelected judges (although even the unelected ones are the result of elections since they are appointed by the people who win elections). We all likely disagree with some of the judgements made but those carry the force of legitimacy nonetheless.

I wouldn’t say the outliers here are acting illegally or illegitimately, but I do think the best solution to political problems like Trump would be impeachment or better yet repudiation by the voters as in 2020. Striking candidates from the ballot to preserve democracy strikes me as destroying the village in order save it.

catherine
1-2-24, 12:49pm
I was born in Maine.

I was unsuccessful ~25 years ago convincing the family to move to a small island in Maine, so we ended up here on a small island in Washington State instead.

Washington has ferries and roads to Canada as well - I just this moment got back from spending a few days in Vancouver BC.

Having gone a similar route--now living on a small group of islands connected by a causeway to the mainland in VT and a ferry to the mainland in NY State--I feel there is something wonderful about the insularity of an island life--especially if you don't have to boat or swim to the mainland for supplies.

jp1
1-2-24, 12:53pm
I wouldn’t say the outliers here are acting illegally or illegitimately, but I do think the best solution to political problems like Trump would be impeachment or better yet repudiation by the voters as in 2020. Striking candidates from the ballot to preserve democracy strikes me as destroying the village in order save it.

I agree that impeachment was the best solution but republicans in the senate weren't capable of standing up and doing the right thing. But ignoring the constitutional requirements of the presidency is not "saving the village".

The "best" solution would be for trump to have a speedy trial and conviction prior to the election. We'll see if his ongoing efforts to thwart that from happening are successful.

LDAHL
1-3-24, 1:44pm
Whether the Constitution allows or requires state Secretaries of State to make the call on “engaging in insurrection” will be tested in the courts, it never having happened before. The only time since Reconstruction I’m aware of that an official hasn’t been allowed to take office under the 14th was when the House voted to not seat a Socialist representative from Milwaukee during the Wilson Administration.

Now Wilson, there was a guy who managed to chip away at the constitutional order beyond any reasonable expectation of what Trump or Biden could manage.

Personally, I think anything short of an electoral defeat would leave Trump with a “fix was in” narrative that will linger for years.

jp1
1-5-24, 7:19am
Personally, I think anything short of an electoral defeat would leave Trump with a “fix was in” narrative that will linger for years.

Like the way he went quietly away after his last electoral defeat?

LDAHL
1-5-24, 8:14am
Like the way he went quietly away after his last electoral defeat?

No, worsened by years of “by any means necessary” hysteria.

jp1
1-5-24, 12:14pm
No, worsened by years of “by any means necessary” hysteria.

Years of his hysterically claiming he actually won and that if he didn't he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions? Yeah, probably.

LDAHL
1-5-24, 4:49pm
Years of his hysterically claiming he actually won and that if he didn't he shouldn't be held accountable for his actions? Yeah, probably.

Trump made crazy claims about the deep state rigging the election. Trump’s enemies are making equally preposterous claims about how the US military and security agencies will be used to crush dissent if Trump is returned to office.

I have little use for both camps.

jp1
1-5-24, 9:53pm
Trump’s enemies are making equally preposterous claims about how the US military and security agencies will be used to crush dissent if Trump is returned to office.

I have little use for both camps.

And I have little use for people who dismiss trump's admitted plan to be a dictator on day 1's lack of concern for trump's plan to be a dictator on day 1 if voters hate America enough to send him back to office.

But I suppose if voters really care so little about this country and our constitution then we deserve exactly what trump promises.

Tybee
1-7-24, 11:41am
We do not deserve this as a country, no way. I am haunted by the photos of what happened on January 6th and I suspect others are, as well.
I want to add that the woman who made the call has been threatened with death threats, including having her residence spammed and "SWOTTED" so has already had criminal attacks on her, so the Trump playbook remains the same as it was 4 years ago.

LDAHL
1-7-24, 2:01pm
And I have little use for people who dismiss trump's admitted plan to be a dictator on day 1's lack of concern for trump's plan to be a dictator on day 1 if voters hate America enough to send him back to office.

But I suppose if voters really care so little about this country and our constitution then we deserve exactly what trump promises.

I think that if Trump was smarter, more disciplined and operating in a different country I might be more worried about the whole dictator thing. Which isn’t to say I wouldn’t rather see him gone.

But when his opposition starts acting as if the need to “save our democracy” supersedes the actual act of democracy, I have to wonder where the more serious threat lies.

Rogar
1-7-24, 3:56pm
I think that if Trump was smarter, more disciplined and operating in a different country I might be more worried about the whole dictator thing. Which isn’t to say I wouldn’t rather see him gone.

If dictator is elected by a democratic vote, is he still a dictator or just an authoritarian In another world there might actually be something like a benevolent dictator. Just some random thoughts. Does dictatorship involve the cessation of free and fair elections.

There is probably a technical definition of dictator and how it differs from an authoritarian elected official. What concerns me as much or more about Trump is that he is mentally deranged and dangerous with no respect for the law of the nation.

In one of the morning talk shows one of his main henchwomen and possible VP candidate, Stefanik, referred to the Jan. 6 rioters as "hostages".

jp1
1-8-24, 5:22am
He doesn’t get to be on the ballot just because he wants to. He gets to be on the ballot because he meets the qualifications set forth in the constitution. Colorado and Maine went through the processes they would go through with anyone seeking to be on the ballot and determined that he wasn’t eligible. He’s appealing those decisions so the Supreme Court will get involved. As is his right. Our whole governmental structure is working like it’s supposed to so I don’t understand the whole concept that some have been screeching about of ‘destroying democracy to save it’. The 14th amendment, or any of the other eligibility requirements to be president, are not optional items that can be tossed aside if the voters don’t think they matter.

Rogar
1-8-24, 9:51am
It's as clear to me as how a person under the age requirements can't be on ballots. I have no great insights into the supreme court ruling, but just suspect that keeping Trump off the ballot is just too big of an issue. If I have my terminology right, there could be traditionalists who may rule against Trump but the revisionists will rule and find an off ramp to avoid any big decision, probably referring to the legislature. Just speculation.

I'd also suspect that in the unfortunate future where Trump is elected, it will not be a dictatorship. That any attempt to rob the people of free and fair elections may take a ding, but Americans will not tolerate the elimination of the democratic process of elections and speculation of "the end of democracy" are greatly exaggerated. Trump will be a strict authoritarian and will use his position to seek retribution to his opposition and forgiveness of his criminal minions and himself with little regard for the health or law of the nation. One can hope in that case that the dems will retain control of the Senate and possibly the house.

For those wanting the voter to have some sort of say, I'd go back to the "We the People" start to the constitution.

LDAHL
1-18-24, 4:07pm
It's as clear to me as how a person under the age requirements can't be on ballots. I have no great insights into the supreme court ruling, but just suspect that keeping Trump off the ballot is just too big of an issue. If I have my terminology right, there could be traditionalists who may rule against Trump but the revisionists will rule and find an off ramp to avoid any big decision, probably referring to the legislature. Just speculation.

I'd also suspect that in the unfortunate future where Trump is elected, it will not be a dictatorship. That any attempt to rob the people of free and fair elections may take a ding, but Americans will not tolerate the elimination of the democratic process of elections and speculation of "the end of democracy" are greatly exaggerated. Trump will be a strict authoritarian and will use his position to seek retribution to his opposition and forgiveness of his criminal minions and himself with little regard for the health or law of the nation. One can hope in that case that the dems will retain control of the Senate and possibly the house.

For those wanting the voter to have some sort of say, I'd go back to the "We the People" start to the constitution.

I think you’re right. Even if he’s elected, Trump will not be able to do the things that he (and his most frenzied opponents) says he will. Which is not an argument for electing him; just an argument against panic.

But a certain Party has been making the fascist argument at least since Truman vs Dewey. Personally, I think that if the Democrats honestly believed that “our democracy” was in peril they would bestir themselves to nominate a stronger ticket than Biden/Harris, and refrain from financial support for MAGA primary candidates. But I suppose the old truism holds that if you can’t inspire voters the next best strategy is to frighten them.

Rogar
1-18-24, 4:51pm
A lot of it is just rhetoric. I see where Trump has called Biden the "destroyer of democracy", so they are both saying it.. I'd like to think that Jan. 6 was a one off that will never be repeated, but it doesn't take too much imagination to think that it could have turned out differently. It's not totally out of my thinking to guess Trump could pull something similar an some serious civil unrest would ensure. I think there was a real risk at that time to lose democracy, at least temporarily. That's probably where the dems are coming from.

jp1
1-19-24, 7:13am
Yes, trump with his whole ‘poisoning the blood of America’ and all the ‘I’M A VICTIM AND THEY ARE COMING FOR YOU NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!’ rhetoric is certainly doing a great job of scaring his fans. Thankfully the ones most inclined towards violence have mostly been put in prison for participating in his first coup attempt so any attempt to use violence in the next year or two will probably not have much success.