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All news I've been reading says that if Haley couldn't pull a rabbit out of the hat in NH, it's pretty much clear sailing for Trump. The more I saw of Haley I was almost tempted to cross my party line. Unless one of the old relics goes before the main election, it's probably going to be another, hold your nose vote, for me. I suppose Trump has his legal hurdles. I've stopped trying to guess about the Trump phenomena, especially over a well spoken, intelligent, energetic young woman with plenty of experience in foreign affairs. That would seem like a good specialty skill these days.
Maybe it's not over yet?
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All news I've been reading says that if Haley couldn't pull a rabbit out of the hat in NH, it's pretty much clear sailing for Trump. The more I saw of Haley I was almost tempted to cross my party line. Unless one of the old relics goes before the main election, it's probably going to be another, hold your nose vote, for me. I suppose Trump has his legal hurdles. I've stopped trying to guess about the Trump phenomena, especially over a well spoken, intelligent, energetic young woman with plenty of experience in foreign affairs. That would seem like a good specialty skill these days.
Maybe it's not over yet?
I suppose 52 counts as “young” in the current field. Trump was reported as seething over her failure to drop out of the race and kiss his ring. I would like to see her continue her campaign, even if only at idling speed to be ready if one of Trump’s indictments bears fruit. I also understand the SOTUS will hear oral arguments on the Colorado thing on 2/8.
it seems to me like Haley could have gained more ground by delving into more of Trump's legitimacy. I suppose there was a balance between how far to go before distancing possible votes, but confusing her with Pelosi was a big chunk in his armor. I've lost track of the timelines for Trump's criminal proceedings, but the Colorado ballot decision seems to be the most important. There are others.
I wonder if Tim Scott's swing of support was strategic in order to make him a possible VP choice?
catherine
1-25-24, 10:36am
I suppose 52 counts as “young” in the current field. Trump was reported as seething over her failure to drop out of the race and kiss his ring. I would like to see her continue her campaign, even if only at idling speed to be ready if one of Trump’s indictments bears fruit. I also understand the SOTUS will hear oral arguments on the Colorado thing on 2/8.
I agree. I like Nikki Haley. If I were Republican I'd definitely vote for her. I can't believe how Trump can simply phone in a campaign and win, even when he's phoning it in from a courthouse.
We certainly do live in fascinating times. I can remember when a politician raping a woman and that woman getting awarded over $80 million for being defamed by him made that politician unelectable forever more.
I guess that I, like LDAHL in the PDQ Bach thread, am having a ‘get off my lawn, ya damn kids’ moment. Because what could possibly be wrong with electing a rapey, defamey shitbag president?
Because what could possibly be wrong with electing a rapey, defamey shitbag president?
This should be my new bumper sticker.
flowerseverywhere
1-27-24, 10:21am
It seems independent voters are ignored. As an independent if the choice was Haley or Biden, I would look very closely at what they have supported in the past, for Biden what executive orders written and so on. I struggle with the intrusion of govenment into women’s healthcare, lgbtq issues, deciding what books should be allowed in classrooms, drag queen shows and so on. Unfortunately actually passing bills to help with the healthcare and immigration mess by congress seems to be impossible, so whomever is president is going to be flapping in the breeze. The republicans need to get a grip on working with the far right crew and get stuff done.
Of course, here in Florida the line has been really crossed, but I think Haley seems to be way more towards the middle than Desantis and Trump from my cursory review. I imagine Haley might win a lot of votes from the anyone but Trump and anyone but Biden crowd.
gimmethesimplelife
1-27-24, 11:09am
This should be my new bumper sticker.If I had a car, mine, too. Rob
It’s certainly shaping up to be an election nobody wants.
It’s certainly shaping up to be an election nobody wants.
I disagree. Biden has been a perfectly fine president and I have no problem voting for him a second time.
Biden has been a fine president by me, too. He just lacks the charisma of a Reagan or Clinton and is uninspiring as a leader. He's failed to rally the people against the possibility of a tyrant taking office. And at least by the actuarial tables there is a chance that the VP could end up as president or heaven for bid, the Speaker. And he's just old. It's a national embarrassment that neither party has come up with better choices. I really don't have a problem voting for him, as things are.
It might be slightly ironic that one of his greatest successes was beating Trump in 2020 and one of his big failures could be losing to him in 2024
I disagree. Biden has been a perfectly fine president and I have no problem voting for him a second time.
If you can make yourself believe that, I could see how you might convince yourself that a second Trump term would mean the end of the Republic.
Even if I liked Biden, he’s old. He comes across as not all there, confused, and just bumbling. His gaffes are even worse than when he was younger. And god forbid something happens to him, and we end up with Kamala. Eff, no! I know a lot of Dems who dislike her a lot.
As long as he has been in public office, Biden has been known for having difficulty with words and statements. I believe he was a stutterer as a child. It seems worse with age though. I just can't grasp that we have the same two candidates and no doubt if trump doesn't win, the same uprising will occur.
iris lilies
1-28-24, 8:56pm
It is the Jp’s and the Rogers of the world who have a major hand in bringing us Shit Show Act 2 in 2024. And if Trump wins, it really will be their fault.
I’ve gone on record saying it looks likely I will vote for the old fart currently in the White House. I wonder why no one else can be flexible. Why must Biden fan base hunker down over their choice? Sure would be nice to see some flexibility in the Democratic Party and putting up a different candidate, knowing it is a very real possibility Biden won’t win.
Almost makes me think that they don’t want to win. That is interesting to contemplate.
The inflexibility of the Democratic Party is just astonishing to me.
It is the Jp’s and the Rogers of the world who have a major hand in bringing us Shit Show Act 2 in 2024. And if Trump wins, it really will be their fault.
I’ve gone on record saying it looks likely I will vote for the old fart currently in the White House. I wonder why no one else can be flexible. Why must Biden fan base hunker down over their choice? Sure would be nice to see some flexibility in the Democratic Party and putting up a different candidate, knowing it is a very real possibility Biden won’t win.
Hey, I didn't vote for Trump or any on his minions. If we're pointing fingers it's silly to blame all this Trump hate, lawlessness, and chaos on people who voted democrat. And here they are again. Biden is pretty much on record as saying if Trump were not running he would drop out. It's all on Donald and it goes as far as his lying yes men and women and his followers of enablement.
But in all fairness, maybe I'm mistaken for not thinking it's the democrats fault for the GOP having a lame choice? Biden has been the only candidate in the offering with a thread of integrity and intelligence, even if it's a thread.
If you can make yourself believe that, I could see how you might convince yourself that a second Trump term would mean the end of the Republic.
At least I'm confident that Biden won't try to overthrow the government like the shitbag asshole that came before him. If you can convince yourself that he won't try again if given the chance then you should probably cut back on whatever drugs you're taking that make you think that way.
It is the Jp’s and the Rogers of the world who have a major hand in bringing us Shit Show Act 2 in 2024. And if Trump wins, it really will be their fault.
I’ve gone on record saying it looks likely I will vote for the old fart currently in the White House. I wonder why no one else can be flexible. Why must Biden fan base hunker down over their choice? Sure would be nice to see some flexibility in the Democratic Party and putting up a different candidate, knowing it is a very real possibility Biden won’t win.
Almost makes me think that they don’t want to win. That is interesting to contemplate.
The inflexibility of the Democratic Party is just astonishing to me.
Biden is the only person that ever beat the ugly orange republican party leader in an election. Who exactly do you think we should be nominating that would do better than beating him once already?
But in all fairness, maybe I'm mistaken for not thinking it's the democrats fault for the GOP having a lame choice? Biden has been the only candidate in the offering with a thread of integrity and intelligence, even if it's a thread.
Logic isn't a republican strong suit. They blame democrats because republicans decided to oust the house speaker and democrats played along. They blame democrats as the reason that Colorado's supreme court decided trump isn't eligible to be on the ballot even though it was republicans that brought the case that resulted in that decision. But whatever. Other than 2016 trump has been a complete failure electorally, both for himself and for the rest of his sad sad party. There's not really any reason to think that this year will be any different. Especially if he's a felony convict by election day which is entirely possible.
iris lilies
1-28-24, 10:37pm
Hey, I didn't vote for Trump or any on his minions. If we're pointing fingers it's silly to blame all this Trump hate, lawlessness, and chaos on people who voted democrat. And here they are again. Biden is pretty much on record as saying if Trump were not running he would drop out. It's all on Donald and it goes as far as his lying yes men and women and his followers of enablement.
But in all fairness, maybe I'm mistaken for not thinking it's the democrats fault for the GOP having a lame choice? Biden has been the only candidate in the offering with a thread of integrity and intelligence, even if it's a thread.
Dude.
The social forums I frequent including this one blame Trump and Trump voters for nearly everything bad. I’m just pointing out that there is another part in this equation.
so let me ask you then, with Biden‘s approval rating so low, why do you think the Democrats do not want to win?
Democrats:
1. Changed from the party of the working class to a corporatist party, and those corporations want a weak president they can control. They are the donors who fund and control the party.
2. Are afraid to admit they were wrong electing him to begin with and crushing and co-opting the progressive wing of their party (been going on a long time, from Wasserman-Schultz to Brazile giving the debate questions in advance to Hillary).
3. Know if Biden steps down Kamala Harris will expect to inherit his mantle, the black base will expect it, and she would do even worse than him.
Dude.
The social forums I frequent including this one blame Trump and Trump voters for nearly everything bad. I’m just pointing out that there is another part in this equation.
so let me ask you then, with Biden‘s approval rating so low, why do you think the Democrats do not want to win?
Maybe since all the social media is saying it, it is right?. I don't follow social media so I don't know that part of it. There is indeed an equation and there is one side more at fault than the other. How heavily it is weighted one side or the other is pretty obvious to me. What ever it is, it's hardly the fault of people like JP1 and myself, as you accused. Or as you would say, the "shitshow". That's way out in left field somewhere. I just vote for the better candidates with the choices offered, and Trump is still a lying mentally deranged criminal and Biden isn't perfect. Who determines those choices is above my pay grade. Breitbart News or Truth Social have plenty of comments on their sites if you want to read and discuss with social media who maybe be of your same ilk.
At least I'm confident that Biden won't try to overthrow the government like the shitbag asshole that came before him. If you can convince yourself that he won't try again if given the chance then you should probably cut back on whatever drugs you're taking that make you think that way.
I think if Trump attempts to “overthrow the government”, he will fail for the same reasons as his 2020 election nonsense. I think a re-elected Biden will continue to try eating away at the Constitution in little bites. A rent moratorium here, a student loan giveaway there. A push to control various social media platforms to “protect us from misinformation”. The insinuations that traditional Catholics or PTA moms present a domestic terror threat.
Maybe it’s the drugs talking, but I’m not seeing a sterling choice here.
iris lilies
1-29-24, 2:28pm
Maybe since all the social media is saying it, it is right?. I don't follow social media so I don't know that part of it. There is indeed an equation and there is one side more at fault than the other. How heavily it is weighted one side or the other is pretty obvious to me. What ever it is, it's hardly the fault of people like JP1 and myself, as you accused. Or as you would say, the "shitshow". That's way out in left field somewhere. I just vote for the better candidates with the choices offered, and Trump is still a lying mentally deranged criminal and Biden isn't perfect. Who determines those choices is above my pay grade. Breitbart News or Truth Social have plenty of comments on their sites if you want to read and discuss with social media who maybe be of your same ilk.
oh, I think there’s plenty of deserved blame to go around for Trump supporters. Legitimate blame.
iris lilies
1-29-24, 2:33pm
I think if Trump attempts to “overthrow the government”, he will fail for the same reasons as his 2020 election nonsense. I think a re-elected Biden will continue to try eating away at the Constitution in little bites. A rent moratorium here, a student loan giveaway there. A push to control various social media platforms to “protect us from misinformation”. The insinuations that traditional Catholics or PTA moms present a domestic terror threat.
Maybe it’s the drugs talking, but I’m not seeing a sterling choice here.
yes I agree. Trump is up there on his podium spouting crazy narcissistic stuff, but Joe Biden is using his very real power to chip away at the constitution. His insidious actions are just as big of a threat if not bigger.
It kind of reminds me of the Palestinians. They are so boldly open about their goal which is to kill Jews . There is a certain comfort I take in their transparent communication of that goal. It’s easier to fight your enemy when you know they are indeed your enemy.
oh, I think there’s plenty of blame to go around for Trump supporters. Legitimate blame.
I don't understand why I'm to blame and what I'm being blamed for, per you "shitshow" insinuation. This makes absolutely no sense to me to the degree that I have no idea what your saying. To re-iterate, I did not pick Biden to run and am hardly an influencer? How am I to blame if Trump wins?
"It is the Jp’s and the Rogers of the world who have a major hand in bringing us Shit Show Act 2 in 2024. And if Trump wins, it really will be their fault."
iris lilies
1-29-24, 4:08pm
I don't understand why I'm to blame and what I'm being blamed for, per you "shitshow" insinuation. This makes absolutely no sense to me.
"It is the Jp’s and the Rogers of the world who have a major hand in bringing us Shit Show Act 2 in 2024. And if Trump wins, it really will be their fault."
Here’s what I see: a President with an abysmal rating.
Now, abysmal ratings are not all that unusual and maybe the rating is undeserved (tho not in my book) and maybe Americans are just too quick to toss their pols to the side, desiring fresh faces. These are real factors and you can weight them as you like.
But this President is ancient in age, unpopular, and is running neck and neck with Donald Trump in the polls or is even being clearly beaten in an election held today depending on the poll.
Why aren’t you Democratic voters demanding a viable candidate? Are you communicating with your party bosses?
Do ya’ll just WANT to lose the Presidential election?
yes I agree. Trump is up there on his podium spouting crazy narcissistic stuff, but Joe Biden is using his very real power to chip away at the constitution. His insidious actions are just as big of a threat if not bigger.
It kind of reminds me of the Palestinians. They are so boldly open about their goal which is to kill Jews . There is a certain comfort I take in their transparent communication of that goal. It’s easier to fight your enemy when you know they are indeed your enemy.
I find it astonishing that so many terror apologists around the world are so unwilling to take these terrorists at their word. Instead they dress up in keffiyehs and block traffic. I guess it shows the power of identity politics over a certain class of mind.
Do ya’ll just WANT to lose the Presidential election?
I did not pick Biden to run. Period. Not my shitshow. Your accusation is totally baseless, at the very least and within the limits of civil discourse. How can I make that so you will understand?
Is it your fault Trump is running? We need to talk. Is it Liz Cheney's fault if Trump wins?
I find it astonishing that so many terror apologists around the world are so unwilling to take these terrorists at their word. Instead they dress up in keffiyehs and block traffic. I guess it shows the power of identity politics over a certain class of mind.
Some people agree with Bernie Sanders--who is Jewish, whose relatives were victims of the Holocaust, and who lived in a kibbutz--when he says that what Israel is doing now is genocide. The right to defend oneself is not the question.. it's a question of the scale of retribution.
iris lilies
1-29-24, 7:52pm
Some people agree with Bernie Sanders--who is Jewish, whose relatives were victims of the Holocaust, and who lived in a kibbutz--when he says that what Israel is doing now is genocide. The right to defend oneself is not the question.. it's a question of the scale of retribution.
Is it really “ retribution” though? For me, that is not the right word. Just like “ punishment” isn’t entirely the right word for the reason we throw people into prison.
Yeah, maybe the Israeli Defense Forces are over-doing it at this point. Do the Palestinians still wish to kill Jews though? I think so since I’ve not seen them back off that sentiment. So maybe what “ the Jews*” are doing is less about retribution for October 7 and more about grinding Hamas into the ground so that Jewish children and grandchildren won’t experience the horrors of October 7. Never Again is not a meaningless slogan.
* “The Jews” is the phrase often used by Palestinians and their allies.
catherine
1-29-24, 10:10pm
Is it really “ retribution” though? For me, that is not the right word. Just like “ punishment” isn’t entirely the right word for the reason we throw people into prison.
Yeah, maybe the Israeli Defense Forces are over-doing it at this point. Do the Palestinians still wish to kill Jews though? I think so since I’ve not seen them back off that sentiment. So maybe what “ the Jews*” are doing is less about retribution for October 7 and more about grinding Hamas into the ground so that Jewish children and grandchildren won’t experience the horrors of October 7. Never Again is not a meaningless slogan.
* “The Jews” is the phrase often used by Palestinians and their allies.
Never Again will keep playing out until eternity, and I'm not saying that it's not important for people to remember how they have been destroyed. It just feels like a never-ending cycle of violence. Of course Israel wants to push their might to the metal because of "never again." But there are so many people who are caught in the middle who have had nothing to do with Hamas. Families deprived of basic humanitarian aid. Babies entering the world and lucky to survive because of no medical supplies. And yes, the Israeli hostages that remain under Hamas control. None of them are politicians. There comes a time when warfare rubs up against basic human morality and if no one speaks out, it's a slippery slope to pure evil. I hope the global community stays aware. South Africa has already spoken out. We stand beside Israel, but not to the point of turning a blind eye toward mass starvation and displacement.
Never Again will keep playing out until eternity, and I'm not saying that it's not important for people to remember how they have been destroyed. It just feels like a never-ending cycle of violence.
Rome "never again" had any issues with Carthage after the Third Punic War.
It’s fascinating to me that some people are 100% ok with a president, with the help of many other people including numerous elected officials, attempting to overthrow the government as long as they aren’t successful. Personally I have higher ethical standards than that.
I don’t think Bernie’s pedigree gives him any particular authority, moral or otherwise, to speak on the subject.
Hamas spent years and many, many aid dollars building an infrastructure based on using Palestinians as human shields. Hamas is the organization with genocide as an explicit policy aim. Hamas is the group herding civilians back into areas the IDF ordered evacuated. Given those circumstances, it’s difficult to think of the Israeli response as disproportionate. They are trying to eliminate or degrade the potential for future terror attacks.
I think statements like Bernie’s are what Hamas and their sponsors were hoping for.
catherine
1-31-24, 12:27am
Rome "never again" had any issues with Carthage after the Third Punic War.
I admit, I had to go back to the internet to refresh my Western Civ. So Rome pummeled Carthage into submission and sold off 50,000 Carthaginians as slaves, thereby ensuring Roman exceptionalism for another few hundred years. So is the lesson "Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it"? Or is it, "Jesus H. Christ, haven't we learned anything about humanity and being human over the course of 2000+ years?"
iris lilies
1-31-24, 12:58am
I did not pick Biden to run. Period. Not my shitshow. Your accusation is totally baseless, at the very least and within the limits of civil discourse. How can I make that so you will understand?
Is it your fault Trump is running? We need to talk. Is it Liz Cheney's fault if Trump wins?
ok, sorry, I understand that you personally have no direct responsibility for Jie Biden on the ticket.
Oh, good. I hope I'm off the hook for being party to your nasty potty-mouthed name calling s**tshow.
gimmethesimplelife
2-19-24, 10:42am
It’s certainly shaping up to be an election nobody wants.LOL I think this is the first time I've ever one hundred percent agreed with you! Here we are completely on the same page. Rob
Emailed Binkley to see is he still running for president as he has no events scheduled. No response. Will see if Phillips is still around when we reach Super Tuesday. The Libertarians also have a primary with five candidates on the ballot in my state but it's a beauty contest as they pick their nominee at their convention and not based on primaries. Very depressing to have so few choices.
iris lilies
2-20-24, 7:00pm
is anyone going to their local caucus?
is anyone going to their local caucus?
I'd love to, but I live in an open primary state. Our primary is scheduled for March 19th but early voting begins tomorrow, I'd much rather participate in a caucus since everyone must participate on the same date. The way we do it seems haphazard and potentially exploitative.
iris lilies
2-20-24, 8:15pm
I'd love to, but I live in an open primary state. Our primary is scheduled for March 19th but early voting begins tomorrow, I'd much rather participate in a caucus since everyone must participate on the same date. The way we do it seems haphazard and potentially exploitative.
DH plans to go to the caucus here and I think I’ll go with him. I will caucus for Nikki Haley.
But I’ve been to these caucuses before and I don’t know what to expect. We are going to a caucus at the county level. it seems odd to me that there’s only one caucus in this entire county? I don’t know, we shall see.
back in the day when I lived in Iowa our caucuses were held in your neighbors living room every few blocks. Then, if you were elected to go onwards to the next caucus, you went to the county that was a ton of people.
I grew up in a state that did caucuses at the time when I first became eligible to vote. But I was off at college when the caucuses happened. So of course I couldn’t participate. I suppose they are fine for upper middle class people that have flexible schedules like I do now as an aging guy with a professional job. For everyone else, not so much.
iris lilies
2-21-24, 12:39am
I grew up in a state that did caucuses at the time when I first became eligible to vote. But I was off at college when the caucuses happened. So of course I couldn’t participate. I suppose they are fine for upper middle class people that have flexible schedules like I do now as an aging guy with a professional job. For everyone else, not so much.
All the caucuses I’ve ever attended have been at night or on Saturday.
All the caucuses I’ve ever attended have been at night or on Saturday.
I suppose that's fine if you have a 9-5 day job. Or don't attend school out of state. For everyone else it means you don't get to participate. Which was exactly the point I was trying to make.
iris lilies
2-21-24, 1:41pm
I suppose that's fine if you have a 9-5 day job. Or don't attend school out of state. For everyone else it means you don't get to participate. Which was exactly the point I was trying to make.
That is all true! Participating fully in Democracy requires an investment in time.
Participating fully in Democracy requires an investment in time.
Or a structure that doesn't favor some people's ability to participate over others by imposing timing constraints that do nothing to actually strengthen democracy but instead reduce democracy by reducing the number of people capable of participating.
A local news commentator floated the idea that the reason Haley is sticking it out in the primaries is that she is planning to run as a third party candidate. That seems unlikely, but does entertain the imagination with possibilities. It actually seems like Trump and his cult should be running as a third party, since he's not really GOP. Or at least what the GOP once was.
iris lilies
3-5-24, 9:39am
A local news commentator floated the idea that the reason Haley is sticking it out in the primaries is that she is planning to run as a third party candidate. That seems unlikely, but does entertain the imagination with possibilities. It actually seems like Trump and his cult should be running as a third party, since he's not really GOP. Or at least what the GOP once was.I agree DJ Trump is not GOP. Maybe he’s the real RHINO.
The California jungle primary system is particularly strange this cycle. Schiff spends a fortune attacking Garvey, and Porter calls it a cynical move to energize Garvey’s base and keep her out of the top two.
The California jungle primary system is particularly strange this cycle. Schiff spends a fortune attacking Garvey, and Porter calls it a cynical move to energize Garvey’s base and keep her out of the top two.
She's not wrong. Garvey didn't start doing well until Schiff started attacking him. And it makes sense from his standpoint. If Garvey gets second place Schiff wins the general. I'd been waffling between Porter and Schiff but his actions made it easy to fill in the dot for Porter. But I'll be ok if Schiff becomes senator. Or even Lee. But I'd rather see the final contest be between Schiff and Porter or Schiff and Lee. Or Porter and Lee, so that we actually get to decide on policy issues and not a decision between Schiff and the maga party person who has zero chance of winning.
A local news commentator floated the idea that the reason Haley is sticking it out in the primaries is that she is planning to run as a third party candidate. That seems unlikely, but does entertain the imagination with possibilities. It actually seems like Trump and his cult should be running as a third party, since he's not really GOP. Or at least what the GOP once was.
He certainly isn't what the GOP once was, but the GOP will never be that again. The GOP politician class is well aware that they can't put the Trump genie back in the bottle. They might have been able to if they had had the honor to do the right thing and convict him in the senate 3 years ago. Now it's too late. If they try to do it now they all get primaried and the party fractures even further than it already is and they will lose a lot of elections.
Vermont--what John King last night called "a quirky little state--was the only state last night to give Nikki Haley a win! I love it.
Alan, I know you think my voting for her was just gamesmanship, and not taking my responsibility as a voter seriously, but I beg to differ. Politics IS a serious game. I had to vote for Nikki to make a statement about my feelings about the prospect of Trump getting in, and to support a good, worthy candidate with the guts to stand up to him. John King also said late last night that this bright little orange blot on the field of red wins--was going to annoy Trump. Nikki, well done!
I'm sorry to see Nikki go. She was a bit of fresh air, at least relatively speaking. It's a mystery to me why she wasn't more popular, although there are a lot of things about the Trump phenomena that I don't get. I think she could have defused a lot of animosity in the country of elected, although I'll be voting a straight democratic ticket as ln as the GOP supports the Big Lie in it's various forms.
gimmethesimplelife
3-6-24, 3:27pm
I'm still trying to understand how the United States ended out here. A vote for cognitive decline - and it's getting worse as evidenced by Sky News Australia, a conservative Australian network whose employees don't live in fear of health care as we do (Australia has socialized medicine) and who will post clips of Biden's cognitive decline that the US media won't.
Or, of course, a vote for an Authoritarian Dictatorship under the helm of an orange skinned leader with 91 felony counts, accumulated fines of 1/2 BILLION USD, and who takes great joy in spewing Hitlerian rhetoric. How DID we end out here? And what is the way out for the average US citizen? Rob
iris lilies
3-6-24, 3:31pm
I'm sorry to see Nikki go. She was a bit of fresh air, at least relatively speaking. It's a mystery to me why she wasn't more popular, although there are a lot of things about the Trump phenomena that I don't get. I think she could have defused a lot of animosity in the country of elected, although I'll be voting a straight democratic ticket as ln as the GOP supports the Big Lie in it's various forms.
and now Dean Phillips is out as well. Well, as usual, my political contributions make no difference.
ApatheticNoMore
3-6-24, 3:36pm
Or, of course, a vote for an Authoritarian Dictatorship under the helm of an orange skinned leader with 91 felony counts, accumulated fines of 1/2 BILLION USD, and who takes great joy in spewing Hitlerian rhetoric.
Trump seems to have as much, if not more, cognitive decline than Biden. Trump seems to keep referring to Biden as Obama (never mind referring to Nikki Halley as Nancy Pelosi). Does not know who is president, hmm Trump is not gonna pass the dementia test.
ApatheticNoMore
3-6-24, 3:39pm
I'm sorry to see Nikki go. She was a bit of fresh air, at least relatively speaking. It's a mystery to me why she wasn't more popular
she kept running on things like cutting social security, the 3rd rail, so how popular did anyone expect her to be? But Republicans should prefer her to Trump? Well look I don't think she's as bad as Trump, but I don't even claim to know what is going on with Republicans :laff: The Trump cult is a cult.
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