The SE suburbs must be reeling!

[gimmethesimplelife]

I'm in the back office at work today when I get a call from SO, telling me the wonderful news that Trump's immunity claim was rejected by a DC appeals court. Color me extremely grateful and now let's all get on board with incarcerating this evil cretin for life!!!

No surprise I posted the above, no, given my take on Trump.....what's your take on the decision kicking any immunity for DJT to the curb?

And about the SE suburbs - they are known to be heavily GOP supporting, this is why I say they must be reeling. Rob

[Alan]

And about the SE suburbs - they are known to be heavily GOP supporting, this is why I say they must be reeling. Rob
My sister-in-law lives in Mesa. She and my wife talked on the phone for nearly an hour today, wife says it never came up.

[jp1]

My sister-in-law lives in Mesa. She and my wife talked on the phone for nearly an hour today, wife says it never came up.

I suppose there are any number of reasons for that. Perhaps your SIL isn't maga? Or she and your wife are both maga but it was just assumed this would happen since pretty much no one but the most hard core magas thought there was a chance he would succeed with this and so it didn't need to be mentioned? Or any number of other potential circumstances specific to your SIL and wife.

[Alan]

LOL, you don't know my SIL. If anyone in the Phoenix suburbs were "reeling" over Trump's legal setback, she would have let us know.

[gimmethesimplelife]

LOL, you don't know my SIL. If anyone in the Phoenix suburbs were "reeling" over Trump's legal setback, she would have let us know.I overhead customers in the store talking about the decision and this was in Uptown Phoenix - an area of Phoenix that is quite blue. I can only imagine in MAGA territory how this news must have been received. Other than for work, I am staying out of the conservative suburbs until the election is over. Rob

[gimmethesimplelife]

My sister-in-law lives in Mesa. She and my wife talked on the phone for nearly an hour today, wife says it never came up.Mesa is East, not SE. To be clear, I'm talking more of Gilbert and Chandler and the further out suburbs in Pinal County which are crimson red. Mesa is similarly conservative but not as in your face about it as the SE and further outlying burbs. Rob

[jp1]

LOL, you don't know my SIL. If anyone in the Phoenix suburbs were "reeling" over Trump's legal setback, she would have let us know.

Does she know that you’re saying such negative things about her? Personally I’d be terribly offended if someone painted me as an América hater like that.

[Rogar]

Trump's court rulings are almost a daily event. I wonder how much they are costing the taxpayer in court expenses. Those in my small circle are waiting for the Trump name on the ballot issue. They are supposed to hear the case Thursday.

[Alan]

Does she know that you’re saying such negative things about her? Personally I’d be terribly offended if someone painted me as an América hater like that.
I think she'd be amused by anyone thinking she was an "America hater" and wonder why someone who doesn't know her history as an Army veteran and retired civil servant married to a former Marine helicopter pilot and retired Secret Service agent would even come up with that description.

[LDAHL]

I think she'd be amused by anyone thinking she was an "America hater" and wonder why someone who doesn't know her history as an Army veteran and retired civil servant married to a former Marine helicopter pilot and retired Secret Service agent would even come up with that description.

Such patriotic credentials mean nothing if she refuses to obsess over Trump to the appropriate degree. People who can go an entire hour without emitting bilious comments about the orange fellow are part of the problem.

[Rogar]

People who can go an entire hour without emitting bilious comments about the orange fellow are part of the problem.

I'm not sure what the problem is exactly, but it's hard to avoid when there is Trump drama and trials headlines every day in about every news outlet. At least he doesn't tweet or twitter anymore. However, I used to cringe when my GOP associates would start on Obama at every opportunity, although Biden isn't as nearly bad. I still think Obama suffered from latent race bias.

[LDAHL]

I still think Obama suffered from latent race bias.

Our racial experts are increasingly reminding me of physicists: detecting ever tinier particles and sub particles in our moral universe. Latent bias, micro aggression, implicit bias. Invisible to the naked eye, but profoundly impactful and potentially very profitable.

[Rogar]

I asked my AI program to provide clarifying. I seem to agree.

"Physicists are known for their ability to detect and study particles that are so small they are invisible to the naked eye. Similarly, the author is suggesting that racial experts are becoming adept at identifying subtle, often overlooked forms of bias and aggression. These include “latent bias,” “microaggressions,” and “implicit bias,” which, like subatomic particles, may not be immediately visible but can have significant effects.

The phrase “profoundly impactful and potentially very profitable” suggests that these subtle forms of bias can have a deep impact on people’s lives and societal structures. It also implies that understanding and addressing these biases can lead to significant benefits, possibly in terms of social justice, improved relationships, or even financial gain.

However, the interpretation of this statement can vary depending on the context in which it is used. It could be seen as a critique of the focus on subtle forms of bias, or it could be an acknowledgment of the complexity and importance of this work. Without additional context, it’s hard to say definitively."

[Alan]

I ran it through my EI (emotional intelligence), RI (rational intelligence) and LEI (Life Experience Intelligence) sub-routines which all agreed that speculative conjecture of popular "ism's" not immediately visible to the naked eye may not exist.

[Rogar]

I ran it through my EI (emotional intelligence), RI (rational intelligence) and LEI (Life Experience Intelligence) sub-routines which all agreed that speculative conjecture of popular "ism's" not immediately visible to the naked eye may not exist.

You mean like germs don't exist?

EDIT to add, I also thought of the closet in my spare bedroom.

[iris lilies]

I ran it through my EI (emotional intelligence), RI (rational intelligence) and LEI (Life Experience Intelligence) sub-routines which all agreed that speculative conjecture of popular "ism's" not immediately visible to the naked eye may not exist.
You people are funny.

[catherine]

So, here are two stories about me--a racist. I don't think of myself as a racist. I try in my conscious mind to see everyone as I see myself, with all the virtues, gifts and talents available to all humans.

Story 1: In 1989 I was a substitute teacher, called in to sub for a high school English teacher. There were two Asian girls in the front row, and a laconic, long-haired white kid slumped in the back row, focused on his desktop (there were no cell phones then). During the discussion, the Asian girls constantly had their hands up; the boy in the back was like cellophane. I gave the writing assignment left for me by the teacher and gave them the allotted time to write, and at the end of it, I asked them to pass them in. My subconscious mind expected to see exemplary results from the Asians, and hardly anything of value from the kid in the back. To my surprise, the writings of the boy in the back far exceeded the writings of the two Asian girls. I was ashamed of myself.

Story 2: Just last week, I had interviews with both patients and doctors on the topic of oncology. I didn't look at my schedule immediately before hand, When the first interviewee came on the Zoom call, I made a subnational assumption that he was the patient. Thankfully I quickly referred to my schedule and saw he was actually the doctor. I was ashamed of myself.

How do you think it works when people who truly try as hard as they can NOT to be racist harbor these preconceptions? It's not their fault--it's how our brains work-- making faulty connections with shreds of past memories and connections, as well as the primal need to categorize people as part of one's own "tribe"--or not.

What happens to the Asians, the boy in the back and the Black doctor when most of society is seeing a different reality through no real fault of their own? If you are the dominant culture, and you are depending upon your conscious, rational mind to see and treat everyone as the same, it is likely you may not be seeing Rogar's "germs" and you are not being self-aware enough to recognize that your unintended, unconscious bias does have an impact on how society treats others.

That unintended prejudging does cut across all races, genders, etc., but it is the responsibility of the majority to factor in the reality of their own blinders in terms of how they perceive others, because if the majority doesn't pay attention, there can't be true equality.

[iris lilies]

So, here are two stories about me--a racist. I don't think of myself as a racist. I try in my conscious mind to see everyone as I see myself, with all the virtues, gifts and talents available to all humans.

Story 1: In 1989 I was a substitute teacher, called in to sub for a high school English teacher. There were two Asian girls in the front row, and a laconic, long-haired white kid slumped in the back row, focused on his desktop (there were no cell phones then). During the discussion, the Asian girls constantly had their hands up; the boy in the back was like cellophane. I gave the writing assignment left for me by the teacher and gave them the allotted time to write, and at the end of it, I asked them to pass them in. My subconscious mind expected to see exemplary results from the Asians, and hardly anything of value from the kid in the back. To my surprise, the writings of the boy in the back far exceeded the writings of the two Asian girls. I was ashamed of myself.

Story 2: Just last week, I had interviews with both patients and doctors on the topic of oncology. I didn't look at my schedule immediately before hand, When the first interviewee came on the Zoom call, I made a subnational assumption that he was the patient. Thankfully I quickly referred to my schedule and saw he was actually the doctor. I was ashamed of myself.

How do you think it works when people who truly try as hard as they can NOT to be racist harbor these preconceptions? It's not their fault--it's how our brains work-- making faulty connections with shreds of past memories and connections, as well as the primal need to categorize people as part of one's own "tribe"--or not.

What happens to the Asians, the boy in the back and the Black doctor when most of society is seeing a different reality through no real fault of their own? If you are the dominant culture, and you are depending upon your conscious, rational mind to see and treat everyone as the same, it is likely you may not be seeing Rogar's "germs" and you are not being self-aware enough to recognize that your unintended, unconscious bias does have an impact on how society treats others.

That unintended prejudging does cut across all races, genders, etc., but it is the responsibility of the majority to factor in the reality of their own blinders in terms of how they perceive others, because if the majority doesn't pay attention, there can't be true equality.

Living in the capitol of race politics as I do, I learned in recent decades not to care about the label “racist.” This was an educational experience, believe me. I started out with sincere concern and an open mind about my own racism. Learned there is no “win” so why play the game. If anyone calls me racist, that is ok with me, so be it.

I do understand and respect the complexity of unconscious bias. I am not arguing against its existence, I just personally do not care. Any more.

i could go into long personal stories of ugly, divisive race politics in my neighborhood as well as some tiny but interesting incidents at work, but it doesn't matter. My view is formed and I doubt it will change at this point.

[catherine]

Living in the capitol of race politics as I do, I learned in recent decades not to care about the label “racist.” This was an educational experience, believe me. I started out with sincere concern and an open mind about my own racism. Learned there is no “win” so why play the game. If anyone calls me racist, that is ok with me, so be it.

I do understand and respect the complexity of unconscious bias. I am not arguing against its existence, I just personally do not care. Any more.

i could go into long personal stories of ugly, divisive race politics in my neighborhood as well as some tiny but interesting incidents at work, but it doesn't matter. My view is formed and I doubt it will change at this point.

It is a complex and difficult issue, and it must have been difficult being so close to the harrowing politics at home and work.

[Rogar]

I suspect a medical expert somewhere might suppose that by recognize a certain behavior in the involuntary sub conscious to the alert conscious state would allow the behavior to allow better control. There are things in human behavior that might be beyond explanation, like why were tend to jump when we see snakes. At least I do here in rattlesnake country, and emit a little scream, too. I have landed probably ten feet from a rattlesnake without recalling moving.

[jp1]

So, here are two stories about me--a racist. I don't think of myself as a racist. I try in my conscious mind to see everyone as I see myself, with all the virtues, gifts and talents available to all humans.

Story 1: In 1989 I was a substitute teacher, called in to sub for a high school English teacher. There were two Asian girls in the front row, and a laconic, long-haired white kid slumped in the back row, focused on his desktop (there were no cell phones then). During the discussion, the Asian girls constantly had their hands up; the boy in the back was like cellophane. I gave the writing assignment left for me by the teacher and gave them the allotted time to write, and at the end of it, I asked them to pass them in. My subconscious mind expected to see exemplary results from the Asians, and hardly anything of value from the kid in the back. To my surprise, the writings of the boy in the back far exceeded the writings of the two Asian girls. I was ashamed of myself.

Story 2: Just last week, I had interviews with both patients and doctors on the topic of oncology. I didn't look at my schedule immediately before hand, When the first interviewee came on the Zoom call, I made a subnational assumption that he was the patient. Thankfully I quickly referred to my schedule and saw he was actually the doctor. I was ashamed of myself.

How do you think it works when people who truly try as hard as they can NOT to be racist harbor these preconceptions? It's not their fault--it's how our brains work-- making faulty connections with shreds of past memories and connections, as well as the primal need to categorize people as part of one's own "tribe"--or not.

What happens to the Asians, the boy in the back and the Black doctor when most of society is seeing a different reality through no real fault of their own? If you are the dominant culture, and you are depending upon your conscious, rational mind to see and treat everyone as the same, it is likely you may not be seeing Rogar's "germs" and you are not being self-aware enough to recognize that your unintended, unconscious bias does have an impact on how society treats others.

That unintended prejudging does cut across all races, genders, etc., but it is the responsibility of the majority to factor in the reality of their own blinders in terms of how they perceive others, because if the majority doesn't pay attention, there can't be true equality.

This. I haven't talked about it on my "old music" thread because I don't want to hijack my own thread but two of the songs I've presented have interesting"ism" issues involving the performers as part of the songs' history. With the C&C Music Factory songs I presented a few months ago, "Strike It Up" being the bigger hit, Martha Wash was the lead singer. In the video they used someone else as her because Martha was too zaftig for the producers and as such she didn't make as much money as the woman who was in the video pretending to sing the song. In the other, which I presented yesterday, Funkytown, they made the video with a white woman instead Cynthia Johnson, the black woman who actually sang the song. Again, the actual musical artist got screwed out of a lot of money. The difference between the two situations is that Cynthia Johnson, who recorded her song in the late 70's, just let it go because she didn't think there was anything she could do about it. Martha Wash, who recorded her songs in the early 90's didn't and fought them in court. She didn't get any money out of it but she did get a settlement that required disclaimers on videos of the songs noting that that she, and not the lipsyncher, was the actual vocalist on the songs. So based on these two random examples, which may or may not be representative of how things are overall, things are getting better. But both are reminders that we make judgements based on our external perceptions of others, often involuntarily. The producers of the videos for both those songs knew that and made the decisions to use fake singers as a result.

[iris lilies]

This. I haven't talked about it on my "old music" thread because I don't want to hijack my own thread but two of the songs I've presented have interesting"ism" issues involving the performers as part of the songs' history. With the C&C Music Factory songs I presented a few months ago, "Strike It Up" being the bigger hit, Martha Wash was the lead singer. In the video they used someone else as her because Martha was too zaftig for the producers and as such she didn't make as much money as the woman who was in the video pretending to sing the song. In the other, which I presented yesterday, Funkytown, they made the video with a white woman instead Cynthia Johnson, the black woman who actually sang the song. Again, the actual musical artist got screwed out of a lot of money. The difference between the two situations is that Cynthia Johnson, who recorded her song in the late 70's, just let it go because she didn't think there was anything she could do about it. Martha Wash, who recorded her songs in the early 90's didn't and fought them in court. She didn't get any money out of it but she did get a settlement that required disclaimers on videos of the songs noting that that she, and not the lipsyncher, was the actual vocalist on the songs. So based on these two random examples, which may or may not be representative of how things are overall, things are getting better. But both are reminders that we make judgements based on our external perceptions of others, often involuntarily. The producers of the videos for both those songs knew that and made the decisions to use fake singers as a result.

Victoria’s Secret famously embraced diversity in their models beginning about the year 2021? after their chief designer stated categorically he would never design for a size 14 model.

They just as famously abandoned that business decision late last year because their sales plummeted and stockholders complained.

My personal opinion is that they could have size 14-16 well proportioned models as well as their stick insect models to sell their cheap undergarments and still claim some woke space, but for the super heavy ladies modeling, they won’t be doing that at Victorias Secret.

Some of the body positive activists have died anyway. Health problems related to obesity.