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gimmethesimplelife

4-9-24, 3:04pm

An Arizona law from 1864 - the year Atlanta, GA fell to the Yankees - was made alive once more. Almost no abortions are now legal in AZ, and I understand this includes cases of rape.

This state is so schizophrenic. It can be remarkably liberal, and then do a quick 180 to the most bizarre of redneck conservative stances.

My question as a long time Arizonan is this - Going beyond your take on abortion, something that could be argued for hours - what is your take on ARIZONA after this decision? Has your perspective of Arizona changed after this decision, and if so, how?

Rob

iris lilies

4-9-24, 3:33pm

gimmethesimplelife

4-9-24, 4:19pm

my perspective of Arizona is that it is a hellhole of desert topography. Y’all know how much I dislike the desert.

Although you are probably asking about Arizona in a political context. But I don’t have any opinion on thatParts of the state are colder than where you are. Example - the annual average snowfall in Flagstaff is 89 inches! Google it, it's amazing. It's not all barren desert. The part I like so much by the border is actually not desert but semi-arid steppe. And I've gone 180 off topic lol. Rob

Alan

4-9-24, 5:03pm

An Arizona law from 1864 - the year Atlanta, GA fell to the Yankees - was made alive once more. Almost no abortions are now legal in AZ, and I understand this includes cases of rape.

I believe all that's happened is that AZ's Supreme Court has ruled that since the original state law has never been repealed or updated, it is the law of the land. If it is not supported by the majority of AZ residents, the remedy is to have the legislature update it.

That's how civilized societies work so I'm all in favor the court doing the right thing. As for the state of Arizona itself, I like it.

Tradd

4-9-24, 7:22pm

Anywhere desert is hell hole. And too close to MX. I have plenty of water here. No clue why anyone would want to live there.

rosarugosa

4-10-24, 6:18am

I'm with IL and Tradd on this one. I'm glad I live in the lush and civilized northeast. I would love to see the Grand Canyon some day, if only it weren't in Arizona, lol.

jp1

4-10-24, 7:18am

Personally I found the weather in Phoenix last August preferable to the weather in Chicago last week. Cold and rainy/snowy just isn't my style.

As to the AZ court ruling it's just another reminder to voters who are either female or at least think women should have bodily autonomy what's at stake in November.

gimmethesimplelife

4-10-24, 8:35am

Anywhere desert is hell hole. And too close to MX. I have plenty of water here. No clue why anyone would want to live there.Interesting how different people perceive the same exact thing differently. Example - for me the closeness to Mexico is not only a huge selling point but a requirement. I honestly don't believe knowing what I know about the United States that I could live more than five hours away from the border. Mexico may not be the lifeline to me that it used to be as I am doing much better financially these days - but I still live around folks for whom it is indeed a lifeline, and I still am morally and ethically compelled to offshore all costs I can, otherwise I become part of the problem and I won't be guilty of that, period.

And I really didn't mean to get political here but the border is now as controversial as abortion.....it's just too expensive in the United States now for far more many people than just those in my zip code - don't worry, I won't start getting into my zip code again. Rob

Tradd

4-10-24, 9:51am

Rob, you seem to like shitholes from living in both AZ and being too attached to MX. Playa del Carma was indeed a third world shithole when I was there two years ago. The cave diving was excellent but I won’t be going back. You go on and on about it like it’s a effing paradise, yet they have a massive problem with the cartels and their infrastructure sucks big time from the small bit I saw on the Yucatán.

Tradd

4-10-24, 9:54am

And Mexico City is in big danger of running out of water. Can’t forget that. And the stupid presidente is ruining the ground water of the Yucatán with his stupid Mayan train project that is ruining the cave system. But hey, only US politicians suck, correct? MX is a paradise than can do no wrong. Just don’t drink the water in the entire country.

I call the USMCA the USCMA as Canada will always come before MX. Always.

iris lilies

4-10-24, 5:16pm

Parts of the state are colder than where you are. Example - the annual average snowfall in Flagstaff is 89 inches! Google it, it's amazing. It's not all barren desert. The part I like so much by the border is actually not desert but semi-arid steppe. And I've gone 180 off topic lol. Rob
Your definition of the area you like (Nogales, right?) as arid steppe not desert is probably an educated one, but to me, it just looks like lack-of-rain brownland.

I lose interest in Western topography long about Kansas, mid Kansas. After that, too dry for me until I hit the Willamette Valley.

5803

pinkytoe

4-10-24, 7:03pm

iris lilies

4-10-24, 7:47pm

My older brother was in the border patrol for many years working out of Bisbee. He always called Nogales the armpit of AZ. There are non-desert beautiful areas in AZ. Mostly higher elevation, forested.
Yes, Rob mentioned Flagstaff. I once toyed with the idea of a job in Flagstaff, but only because it would give me a new job, but still be fairly close to my boyfriend of the time.

but reason prevailed, and I went back to the green Lands of the Midwest.

iris lilies

4-11-24, 11:47am

I'm with IL and Tradd on this one. I'm glad I live in the lush and civilized northeast. I would love to see the Grand Canyon some day, if only it weren't in Arizona, lol.

I love the Northeast.

Simone

4-13-24, 12:24am

iris lilies

4-13-24, 3:39am

I've lived in Arizona and seen almost every place on this website.

Arizona is frighteningly beautiful - you may know what I mean if you've been there - when it isn't just plain beautiful.
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/arizona/az-desert-places/

Those are some spectacular scenic places, agreed. But I can’t see myself living in any of them. The big tall, cactus plants are very cool though.

Simone

4-19-24, 10:29pm

Those are some spectacular scenic places, agreed. But I can’t see myself living in any of them.

Yes. Just so. I came to think that humans, in numbers as large as now certainly, don't belong there.

gimmethesimplelife

4-19-24, 11:21pm

Your definition of the area you like (Nogales, right?) as arid steppe not desert is probably an educated one, but to me, it just looks like lack-of-rain brownland.

I lose interest in Western topography long about Kansas, mid Kansas. After that, too dry for me until I hit the Willamette Valley.

5803A few years back Santa Cruz County (the tiny county in Arizona that faces the border, is all semi arid steppe, and has Nogales as it's county seat) had an exceptional monsoon, lots and lots of rain. I remember taking the shuttle to see the dentist in Mexico and being amazed at how much like Ireland it looked as it was SO green. Not at all like semi arid steppe. Until a few weeks after the monsoon stopped and all the Ireland went away. Rob