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iris lilies
7-21-24, 2:06pm
Announced a few minutes ago

Let the wild rumpus begin!

SiouzQ.
7-21-24, 2:10pm
I just heard that when I turned on NPR for the noon news update. Three days ago I announced to my friends on Facebook that something big was going to happen in the next three days. Last week I had also posted that I felt in my bones that something big was going to happen and within two days Trump was shot at.

Maybe I have found my calling: Political News Seer

Alan
7-21-24, 2:14pm
It's interesting to me that Biden didn't throw his support behind Harris in his announcement. I think the party will now have a helluva time deciding whether to back a candidate based upon sex and race or put their efforts into supporting the best candidate available.

I know it's a cliche to say so but I'm definitely stocking up on popcorn this afternoon.


Updated to include new info: Biden has now made a separate statement in support of Harris as the Democratic Presidential candidate. The question remains if the party will go along with this. The upcoming convention will certainly be interesting.

iris lilies
7-21-24, 2:18pm
I just heard that when I turned on NPR for the noon news update. Three days ago I announced to my friends on Facebook that something big was going to happen in the next three days. Last week I had also posted that I felt something in my bones that something big was going to happen and within two days Trump was shot at.

Maybe I have found my calling: Political News Seer

By midweek, after the Trump shooting had a coupla days to die down, the Democratic honchos started up their full court press to remove their beloved (and perfectly capable until June 28) candidate.

so sorry but it was a train heading into this week, his departure.

I think my favorite “ Joe has to go” act was Nancy Pelosi calmly declaring that the president needs to make his decision soon. Her words followed Biden’s often repeated declarations he was staying in the race, five declarations within three days. That was great political leadership on her part. There is one 84 year-old politician who could endure a campaign for president, although probably not four years of a presidency.

iris lilies
7-21-24, 2:21pm
It's interesting to me that Biden didn't throw his support behind Harris in his announcement. I think the party will now have a helluva time deciding whether to back a candidate based upon sex and race or put their efforts into supporting the best candidate available.

I know it's a cliche to say so but I'm definitely stocking up on popcorn this afternoon.

Right! That was the piece I looked for in his resignation document, his support of his running mate Kamala Harris. Not there.

Alan
7-21-24, 2:25pm
Right! That was the piece I looked for in his resignation document, his support of his running mate Kamala Harris. Not there.
I updated my earlier post to include his just released statement supporting Harris at the top of the ticket, although I don't think that binds the party to her in any meaningful way.

Alan
7-21-24, 2:28pm
I'm guessing now that this decision has been made Biden can declare himself free of Covid and return to the White House tomorrow?

iris lilies
7-21-24, 2:31pm
It's interesting to me that Biden didn't throw his support behind Harris in his announcement. I think the party will now have a helluva time deciding whether to back a candidate based upon sex and race or put their efforts into supporting the best candidate available.

I know it's a cliche to say so but I'm definitely stocking up on popcorn this afternoon.


Updated to include new info: Biden has now made a separate statement in support of Harris as the Democratic Presidential candidate. The question remains if the party will go along with this. The upcoming convention will certainly be interesting.

Oh, a separate statement showing support. They will likely go with Harris.

The Mainstream media will be overjoyed to have a new candidate they can prop up. Get ready for many virtue extolling thought pieces coming from mainstream media. probably the Trump campaign will not hate the choice of Harris as their opposition.

pinkytoe
7-21-24, 2:36pm
I fully support his decision and I admire his courage in tolerating all the mean, bullying critics for as long as he did. Who knows though what was going on behind the scenes?

ToomuchStuff
7-21-24, 3:07pm
Biden Harris

Vote Jill Biden for president, because it looks like she has pretty much been running things!


This is an ad that I would expect, LOL

Rogar
7-21-24, 3:18pm
I hope the campaign can now switch to Trump's age, fabrications, and mental health, which are no less an issue than Biden's.

I don't know much about Harris, but if they're looking for a person to beat Trump they should consider other options. Didn't they put her in charge of border security at one time?

In a way I feel sorry for Biden. He had stick-to-it-ness but got some bad breaks at an unfortunate time. Stepping down should have happened a long time ago. Certainly interesting times.

Tradd
7-21-24, 3:22pm
Just got home and saw it first here.

LDAHL
7-21-24, 4:06pm
I hope the campaign can now switch to Trump's age, fabrications, and mental health, which are no less an issue than Biden's.
.

Before that happens we will need to get through the spectacle of nominating a new candidate. While Biden totters through the remainder of his term, the Democrats will need either a virtual or actual series of roll call votes to select a new candidate. The media love a horse race, so that will probably use up most of the oxygen for a while. I doubt Biden’s endorsement will be decisive in giving Harris the nod.

It should be quite the show in Chicago next month.

Rogar
7-21-24, 4:17pm
Maybe Harris or who ever will play the, if Biden is too old so is Trump card.

I wonder if there will be another debate. The last one seemed to have some significant outcomes.

bae
7-21-24, 4:35pm
I wonder if there will be another debate. The last one seemed to have some significant outcomes.

I suspect Trump won’t agree to debate Harris.

LDAHL
7-21-24, 5:36pm
I’m hearing the Clintons are endorsing Harris while Obama prefers an “ open convention”.

iris lilies
7-21-24, 6:25pm
I’m hearing the Clintons are endorsing Harris while Obama prefers an “ open convention”.
That is rather delicious, that conflict.

i’m probably going to go back to barely paying attention to politics other than scanning headline news after the last three weeks of this craziness. I was scanning news sources hourly to see if Biden was in or out.

I don’t care much who is the Democratic nominee when they decide on it. Then I’ll have to think hard how I’m going to vote. Six months ago I would’ve voted for Biden to keep Trump out of the White House. Now, after seeing the cover-up, the gaslighting the outright lying of the Democratic Party about Joe Biden‘s frailness and their collusion with mainstream media, I don’t think I can vote D.

I do celebrate the fact that their top of the ticket will not be an ancient person.

Tradd
7-21-24, 7:10pm
Three weeks? It’s the last eight days that have been really wild!

jp1
7-21-24, 7:46pm
Biden Harris

Vote Jill Biden for president, because it looks like she has pretty much been running things!


This is an ad that I would expect, LOL

Nah. She’s not Nancy Reagan. Unlike Reagan Joe Biden still has his mental faculties.

jp1
7-21-24, 7:47pm
The funniest, unverified, thing I’ve heard is that Kennedy thinks he’ll be the dem nominee. I know the dude doesn’t take vaxes but man, whatever drugs he’s on are seriously powerful.

Rogar
7-21-24, 9:18pm
The Buzzards are circling. I hope Biden makes constructive use of his presidential immunity for the next five months.

"House Republicans are calling on President Biden to resign from office after he announced that he would no longer seek reelection, arguing that he should not continue to serve in the White House if he is unable to run for another term."

jp1
7-21-24, 9:34pm
It will be interesting to see if the press starts to focus on the only old man remaining in the race and all his mental glitches.

Tradd
7-21-24, 10:04pm
Wonder who Kamala’s VP pick will be. Hopefully it’s not Gretch the Wretch. Can’t be Newsome as they have to be from different states.

jp1
7-21-24, 10:37pm
It won’t be newsome. Shapiro or beshear seem the most likely.

Alan
7-21-24, 10:38pm
Wonder who Kamala’s VP pick will be.
I'm not convinced she'll be the candidate, right now she's just a potential candidate endorsed by Biden. Four years ago she had to drop out of the race due to lack of support before even one state primary election was held and her current stint as VP has been lackluster at best.

That's why the upcoming Democratic Party Convention is going to be quite interesting.

jp1
7-21-24, 11:07pm
Democrats would do well to ignore republicans’ ‘advice’ for what they should do.

littlebittybobby
7-21-24, 11:23pm
okay-----I came up with a BRILLIANT idea. what the fanaticrats should do is draw a dozen names out of a hat, then hold a parade in open-top limos through downtown Dallas. the one that survives gets the nomination. thanks mee

Tradd
7-21-24, 11:25pm
Chicago again. Just like 1968. But no dirty hippies, no hickory shampoo, and no old man Daley.

iris lilies
7-21-24, 11:29pm
The Buzzards are circling. I hope Biden makes constructive use of his presidential immunity for the next five months.

"House Republicans are calling on President Biden to resign from office after he announced that he would no longer seek reelection, arguing that he should not continue to serve in the White House if he is unable to run for another term."

presidential immunity? They’ve already decided he’s not prosecutable due to… frailness, to put it kindly .

Is he going to pardon Hunter ?

Rogar
7-22-24, 7:05am
presidential immunity? They’ve already decided he’s not prosecutable due to… frailness, to put it kindly .

Maybe he can stash some nuclear top secret documents in his bathroom for future reference or to show his pals at cocktail parties.

Alan
7-22-24, 8:18am
Maybe he can stash some nuclear top secret documents in his bathroom for future reference or to show his pals at cocktail parties.
It's interesting that it's been over a year since people started spreading that allegation and yet no one has ever verified that any nuclear secrets were found in Trump's possession. The closest anyone can come is the allegation that he told a friend how many warheads were typically found on a nuclear submarine, and that was considered sensitive information rather than secret or top secret. Please feel free to correct me on that if I'm wrong.

Rogar
7-22-24, 8:42am
It's interesting that it's been over a year since people started spreading that allegation and yet no one has ever verified that any nuclear secrets were found in Trump's possession. The closest anyone can come is the allegation that he told a friend how many warheads were typically found on a nuclear submarine, and that was considered sensitive information rather than secret or top secret. Please feel free to correct me on that if I'm wrong.

Well, I'm not sure I understand this, but it is inexcusable regardless. A little more time and research might show more.



15 boxes provided by Trump to NARA in January 2022. These contained 197 classified documents: 98 at SECRET; 30 at TOP SECRET; the remainder at Confidential. Some additionally had Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI) and Special Access Program (SAP) markings.
During the FBI search of Mar-a-Lago Club, a further 102 documents, recovered from Trump’s office and a storage room. These included 17 documents at TOP SECRET; 54 at SECRET; 31 at CONFIDENTIAL. Of these, Trump’s office held 6 at TOP SECRET; 18 at SECRET; and 3 at CONFIDENTIAL.

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/what-are-the-classified-documents-in-the-trump-indictment

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LDAHL
7-22-24, 8:57am
Chicago again. Just like 1968. But no dirty hippies, no hickory shampoo, and no old man Daley.

Not 1968, but still a pretty colorful cast of characters. They’ve got one of America’s most riot-friendly mayors (It’s not a mob, it’s a “large gathering”). No Yippies, but perhaps some of the keffiyeh crowd may show up. Maybe even some other activist subspecies.

Now that the President has been politically euthanized, we will either see a stage-managed coronation or some Game of Thrones action on the convention floor. Either is bound to leave some unhappy players.

Should be quite a show.

catherine
7-22-24, 9:45am
So, of all the possible replacements for Joe that are being bandied about:
a) Regardless of your own party affiliation, who do you think is the best choice?
b) If you were on the fence before this summer's events, would that person change your vote? If so, in what way?

Possible candidates:


Kamala Harris
Gretchen Whitmer
Josh Shapiro
Joe Manchin
JB Pritzker
Pete Buttigieg
Other

LDAHL
7-22-24, 9:55am
So, of all the possible replacements for Joe that are being bandied about:
a) Regardless of your own party affiliation, who do you think is the best choice?
b) If you were on the fence before this summer's events, would that person change your vote? If so, in what way?

Possible candidates:


Kamala Harris
Gretchen Whitmer
Josh Shapiro
Joe Manchin
JB Pritzker
Pete Buttigieg
Other


I heard this morning that Joe Manchin says he’s not running. Wants a “mini-primary”.

catherine
7-22-24, 10:14am
I heard this morning that Joe Manchin says he’s not running. Wants a “mini-primary”.

Too bad. He'd be an interesting choice--the Dem JD Vance. He might influence independents and swing voters because of his conservative take on many Democratic issues. I personally would prefer someone else, but I think he would be a good choice to pit against Trump.

Tradd
7-22-24, 10:34am
So, of all the possible replacements for Joe that are being bandied about:
a) Regardless of your own party affiliation, who do you think is the best choice?
b) If you were on the fence before this summer's events, would that person change your vote? If so, in what way?

Possible candidates:


Kamala Harris
Gretchen Whitmer
Josh Shapiro
Joe Manchin
JB Pritzker
Pete Buttigieg
Other


Jelly Bean Prickster as prez? That makes me laugh. He is the gov of IL.

catherine
7-22-24, 10:49am
Jelly Bean Prickster as prez? That makes me laugh. He is the gov of IL.

Well, it looks like he's dropped out of contention, too. They're dropping like flies! My bet is Kamala gets the nomination because even though she is not popular, at least she's known. For a lesser-known candidate to build a relationship with a whole country in 4 months would be almost impossible, unless there were an obvious person out there, which there isn't. Maybe if George Clooney ran, people might get excited--the celebrity culture that we are. But at this point, I think it should be Kamala. She can't get that much worse in the polls and if she succeeds in getting better and winning people over in 4 months, the Dems may have a shot at betting Trump. The key is who she picks for VP. So in that case, they're saying Shapiro or Whitmer would be good but I would say Shapiro because he can be the PA proxy for Joe and I think two women on the ticket would make most of the country's heads explode.

LDAHL
7-22-24, 11:11am
Some of the big media outlets seem to already be anointing Harris. You’re seeing more of an emphasis on people saying they’re not in the running and speculation on VP contenders. Looks like the Party and media elites are closing ranks.

iris lilies
7-22-24, 11:13am
Well, it looks like he's dropped out of contention, too. They're dropping like flies! My bet is Kamala gets the nomination because even though she is not popular, at least she's known. For a lesser-known candidate to build a relationship with a whole country in 4 months would be almost impossible, unless there were an obvious person out there, which there isn't. Maybe if George Clooney ran, people might get excited--the celebrity culture that we are. But at this point, I think it should be Kamala. She can't get that much worse in the polls and if she succeeds in getting better and winning people over in 4 months, the Dems may have a shot at betting Trump. The key is who she picks for VP. So in that case, they're saying Shapiro or Whitmer would be good but I would say Shapiro because he can be the PA proxy for Joe and I think two women on the ticket would make most of the country's heads explode.

Kamala will be their pick and her poll numbers will get better once mainstream media has an opportunity to extol her virtues and build her up. Just let them do their job of promoting the Democratic ticket. she might even win the election.

Gretchen Whitmore will not be the vice president candidate because she doesn’t want it.

Alan
7-22-24, 11:17am
It would be a shame to see the Democratic Party close ranks and let the monied interests and party insiders choose their candidate rather than allow voters to participate in a primary or primary like process in their quest to save democracy.

catherine
7-22-24, 11:25am
It would be a shame to see the Democratic Party close ranks and let the monied interests and party insiders choose their candidate rather than allow voters to participate in a primary or primary like process in their quest to save democracy.

I agree. No one should be the anointed candidate. Even the Vatican holds "primaries" when a pope dies.

Rogar
7-22-24, 12:42pm
Big money has always had a heavy hand in picking political favorites. At least that's what Bernie says.

Tradd
7-22-24, 12:44pm
Big money has always had a heavy hand in picking political favorites. At least that's what Bernie says.

If they want campaign money, they want Jelly Bean. Dude is a billionaire and heir to a hotel fortune.

bae
7-22-24, 1:57pm
It would be a shame to see the Democratic Party close ranks and let the monied interests and party insiders choose their candidate rather than allow voters to participate in a primary or primary like process in their quest to save democracy.

Having now participated in conventions for both the Democrats and the Republicans over the past 20 years, I believe that monied interests and insiders choose the candidates for both parties most of the time, and that the public participation process is mostly for show. Not always, sometimes you get a black swan event, but generally.

catherine
7-22-24, 2:43pm
Having now participated in conventions for both the Democrats and the Republicans over the past 20 years, I believe that monied interests and insiders choose the candidates for both parties most of the time, and that the public participation process is mostly for show. Not always, sometimes you get a black swan event, but generally.

I feel that the DNC arm-wrestled Bernie Sanders at the 2016 Convention, and of course, the DNC won. I'll never forget the look on Bernie's face after the closed-door meeting with the Clintons. It was pretty clear to me, anyway, that the DNC was going to get what it wanted one way or the other.

On another note..
I've heard people in interviews say that the country may not be ready for a woman president--making Kamala a risk. What the heck?? Really??? Why not? Why are we so stuck in that mindset? Look at other countries. UK--Margaret Thatcher in the UK, Indira Gandhi in India, Golda Meir in Israel, Benazir Bhutto, Angela Merkel, Mary Robinson--the list goes on and on. But the great USA isn't "ready" for a woman president? Such a backward attitude for a forward-thinking country.

Tradd
7-22-24, 4:15pm
I feel that the DNC arm-wrestled Bernie Sanders at the 2016 Convention, and of course, the DNC won. I'll never forget the look on Bernie's face after the closed-door meeting with the Clintons. It was pretty clear to me, anyway, that the DNC was going to get what it wanted one way or the other.

On another note..
I've heard people in interviews say that the country may not be ready for a woman president--making Kamala a risk. What the heck?? Really??? Why not? Why are we so stuck in that mindset? Look at other countries. UK--Margaret Thatcher in the UK, Indira Gandhi in India, Golda Meir in Israel, Benazir Bhutto, Angela Merkel, Mary Robinson--the list goes on and on. But the great USA isn't "ready" for a woman president? Such a backward attitude for a forward-thinking country.

She’s doesn’t thrill a lot of life long Dems I know.

catherine
7-22-24, 5:27pm
She’s doesn’t thrill a lot of life long Dems I know.

Yeah, but the people were saying we're not ready for *any* woman president--but maybe the subtext for them was that Kamala isn't the "right" woman. She doesn't thrill me either, but I think she has potential. But I still waver between the vote for the Dem candidate and just going rogue and voting third party.

Tradd
7-22-24, 5:51pm
The female candidates haven’t been the right ones. Hilary didn’t connect with voters well.

Kamala apparently ran a very bad campaign when she ran in 2020, before becoming Biden’s running mate.

bae
7-22-24, 6:49pm
Kamala apparently ran a very bad campaign when she ran in 2020, before becoming Biden’s running mate.

As I recall, it didn’t go well. I also believe a chunk of the progressive+ wing of the party wasn’t fond of her “I’m a cop” outlook on things. I’m still not, but what are you gonna do?

jp1
7-22-24, 8:23pm
$81m in small dollar donations to her in the first 24 hours. Democratic voters seem to be kind of excited by this.

I wonder if trump will donate? Apparently he gave several thousand to her attorney general campaign little more than a decade ago.

And i’m fascinated by all the ‘moral high ground’ republicans like George Will proclaiming that the honorable thing to do would be to have an open convention while 1) conveniently ignoring that democratic open conventions generally have resulted in a Republican president and 2) republicans claiming any sort of moral high ground given who their candidate is is absolutely the most extreme example of ‘do as I say, not as I do’ that can exist in this universe.

gimmethesimplelife
7-23-24, 9:51am
Personally I am glad that Biden exited the race. He really needed to step down for cognitive/health reasons and my fondest wish here now is that something ends out being put into place to screen out those with cognitive issues (and behaviorial/anger management issues, too, a reference to DJT) from occupying the Oval Office.

I am on team Kamala with a few misgivings. There is plenty of legit video about on Sky News Australia showing Ms. Harris's more embarrassing mistakes and gaffes that we in the US have been spared by our media. I will say though that Kamala Harris seems to be coming more into her own lately and it will be interesting to see if she can pull off a victory. Here is Arizona there is some excitement as our Mark Kelly, Arizona Congressman and husband of Gabby Giffords, is at the top of the short list of potential VP picks. In Kamala's case, VP pick is important as a high quality choice such as Mark Kelly may move the needle for independents and those on the fence.

The Chinese proverb has come true, folks. Indeed we live in interesting times. Rob

gimmethesimplelife
7-23-24, 9:56am
Can Kamala Harris pull off a victory and spare the United States from becoming an Authoritarian Dictatorship, or maybe even something less intense than this in which DJT is able to retaliate against any and all he wishes with the full support of the US government, military, and Supreme Court? I just don't know.

I just don't know. I wish I had more faith. I try to have hope but it's hard not to worry having lived in the United States all these years. Rob

LDAHL
7-23-24, 10:18am
I’m hearing Harris now has enough delegates locked up for a Chicago coronation. Prepare for rapturous commentary from pundits who refused to see Biden’s decline for the past few years. If the Democrats are smart, they won’t let her leave the house without a teleprompter.

iris lilies
7-23-24, 10:41am
I’m hearing Harris now has enough delegates locked up for a Chicago coronation. Prepare for rapturous commentary from pundits who refused to see Biden’s decline for the past few years. If the Democrats are smart, they won’t let her leave the house without a teleprompter.
Forgeddaboot the delegates, Hollywood has come out fully in support for her with extolling words and big bucks. I am so glad our overlords are leading our way.

LDAHL
7-23-24, 10:52am
Forgeddaboot the delegates, Hollywood has come out fully in support for her with extolling words and big bucks. I am so glad our overlords are leading our way.

The Knights of Columbus must be shaking in their plumed hats and capes.

Tybee
7-23-24, 11:21am
Forgeddaboot the delegates, Hollywood has come out fully in support for her with extolling words and big bucks. I am so glad our overlords are leading our way.

It sounds from your posts that you really want Trump to be elected for another term. Then you will blame the Democrats for what he does. I don't get it.

iris lilies
7-23-24, 11:36am
It sounds from your posts that you really want Trump to be elected for another term. Then you will blame the Democrats for what he does. I don't get it.
I can have two thoughts in my head at the same time:


* I don’t want Donald Trump Trump to be president.


* The Democrats are lying slimeballs who hid the condition of the President of the United States for God knows how long.


I was SHOCKED by his debate performance and I will not forgive them Nor do I forgive the mainstream media and their claim they didn’t know. I Feel personally betrayed because I gave Joe Biden a lot of grace with those video clips about him mis speaking, falling down eyc because I figured that stuff happens and I didn’t pay close attention to how often it was happening. Now I know President Biden was doing these things even in highly staged and controlled situations and even within those situations he could not perform.

to be clear, the Democrats ARE to be blamed. Kamala Harris will have a better chance of defeating Donald Trump than Biden did.

Alan
7-23-24, 2:27pm
It sounds from your posts that you really want Trump to be elected for another term. Then you will blame the Democrats for what he does. I don't get it.
When Trump is re-elected, Democrats will be to blame. After the 2020 election every Republican I know simply wanted Trump to go away, to retreat out of political life, but Democrats did everything in their power to keep him on the front pages of local newspapers and the lead story on every news program. While they were creating and supporting novel legal arguments and theories to try to break him financially and have him branded as a felon and hopefully incarcerated, they were actually creating sympathy within millions of everyday Americans who saw their efforts for what they were/are.

Throw on top of that a years long effort by everyday Democrats to label anyone who didn't agree with their efforts as one of the "ist's" (racist, sexist, etc.,) while simultaneously giving them a high profile resistance leader against their division and hate and the natural result is another Trump term. I think that should be a lesson for the ages, but I've lost faith that those who most need to learn that lesson will.

Rogar
7-23-24, 4:14pm
I saw a brief news blip saying Trump was seething on his social media site for spending away his campaign money attacking Biden.

And that he was easing up his criticism of EVs now that Elon is sending him millions.

jp1
7-23-24, 9:03pm
When Trump is re-elected, Democrats will be to blame. After the 2020 election every Republican I know simply wanted Trump to go away, to retreat out of political life, but Democrats did everything in their power to keep him on the front pages of local newspapers and the lead story on every news program. While they were creating and supporting novel legal arguments and theories to try to break him financially and have him branded as a felon and hopefully incarcerated, they were actually creating sympathy within millions of everyday Americans who saw their efforts for what they were/are.

Throw on top of that a years long effort by everyday Democrats to label anyone who didn't agree with their efforts as one of the "ist's" (racist, sexist, etc.,) while simultaneously giving them a high profile resistance leader against their division and hate and the natural result is another Trump term. I think that should be a lesson for the ages, but I've lost faith that those who most need to learn that lesson will.

Do tell us what we should be doing differently.

And maybe also whitesplain to us how the inevitable DEI hire comments about Harris aren’t racist. But either way watching that loser have to go up against his least favorite type of person, a strong, black, female prosecutor is going to be amusing. He will inevitably make some incredibly unfortunate comments and then every Republican politician not named Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger will rush to his defense showing us all how ethics and morality free the entire party has become.

Fortunately I don’t think the deplorables are as big of a part of the voting population as you assume they are so I have more optimism that we’ll finally be done with the ugly felon after November. It’s remarkable that they are still sticking with him even now that he’s in full whiny bitch mode due to biden dropping out after months of republicans <checks notes> calling on biden to drop out.

iris lilies
7-23-24, 10:24pm
Do tell us what we should be doing differently.

And maybe also whitesplain to us how the inevitable DEI hire comments about Harris aren’t racist. But either way watching that loser have to go up against his least favorite type of person, a strong, black, female prosecutor is going to be amusing. He will inevitably make some incredibly unfortunate comments and then every Republican politician not named Liz Cheney or Adam Kinzinger will rush to his defense showing us all how ethics and morality free the entire party has become.

Fortunately I don’t think the deplorables are as big of a part of the voting population as you assume they are so I have more optimism that we’ll finally be done with the ugly felon after November. It’s remarkable that they are still sticking with him even now that he’s in full whiny bitch mode due to biden dropping out after months of republicans <checks notes> calling on biden to drop out.

JP, you have to understand that for me anyway, the label “racist “has lost all power to shame. Call me racist, I don’t care.

I have these thoughts about those two:

1. Kamala Harris is a DEI hire.
2 Donald Trump’s court case that resulted in 34 convictions for exactly the same single act is politically motivated

That doesn’t mean Kamela is unqualified.

That doesn’t mean I will vote for Donald Trump

jp1
7-23-24, 11:20pm
JP, you have to understand that for me anyway, the label “racist “has lost all power to shame. Call me racist, I don’t care.

I have these thoughts about those two:

1. Kamala Harris is a DEI hire.
2 Donald Trump’s court case resulted in 34 convictions for exactly the same single act is politically motivated

That doesn’t mean Kamela is unqualified.

That doesn’t mean I will vote for Donald Trump

I applaud your honesty. However misguided it may be. Bravo? Maybe since Alan isn’t likely to whitesplain perhaps you could? Or should the rest of us all just laugh uproariously when trump inevitably does what we all know he’s going to do and goes full on racist?

Alan
7-23-24, 11:41pm
Maybe since Alan isn’t likely to whitesplain perhaps you could?
I'm not sure what part of this discussion brought you to race but I think you should spend a few years reading the collected works of Thomas Sowell or Walter Williams or perhaps Shelby Steele, they'll do a much better job of explaining whatever point you want me to "whitesplain".

Rogar
7-24-24, 8:31am
I'm afraid I'm not following the logic that Trump did not commit crimes and that the news should not have reported on a presidential candidate's criminal trials through the court systems because it promoted the republican agenda.

catherine
7-24-24, 8:35am
jp1, I am all for Kamala. I really think she's going to do a great job at salvaging this election cycle.

Please don't turn on me, but I clearly recall Joe Biden saying in 2019, after he won the nomination, that he was specifically going to choose a woman to be a vice-president. I recall that because I thought it was foolish and disingenuous for him to come out and say that. But he did: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/politics/joe-biden-woman-vice-president/index.html

So, she was a DEI hire, but that doesn't make her unqualified, as IL said.

Here is my favorite commentary on this topic that I've read so far. It's from a Substack writer I follow.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-146930220

iris lilies
7-24-24, 9:53am
jp1, I am all for Kamala. I really think she's going to do a great job at salvaging this election cycle.

Please don't turn on me, but I clearly recall Joe Biden saying in 2019, after he won the nomination, that he was specifically going to choose a woman to be a vice-president. I recall that because I thought it was foolish and disingenuous for him to come out and say that. But he did: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/15/politics/joe-biden-woman-vice-president/index.html

So, she was a DEI hire, but that doesn't make her unqualified, as IL said.

Here is my favorite commentary on this topic that I've read so far. It's from a Substack writer I follow.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-146930220

of course he did. Everyone knows Biden limited his VP choice to 7% of the population.

I also recall JP talking about a DEI hire on the Supreme Court. I’m unclear why that wasn’t “racist” according to JP values.

Rogar
7-24-24, 9:55am
You don't hear the reference to white privilege as much these days as you used to.

LDAHL
7-24-24, 10:00am
There’s a weirdly fawning piece in “Nature” about how great Harris will be for science.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-02394-6

They seem to be pulling out all the media stops to buff up her image. Although I also see that BLM has issued a statement decrying her “anointing”. Not sure how politically relevant they are anymore.

iris lilies
7-24-24, 10:01am
jp1,



Here is my favorite commentary on this topic that I've read so far. It's from a Substack writer I follow.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-146930220

we could have an actual pull-himself-up-by -the -bootstraps VP one heartbeat from the Presidency in JD Vance.

as for the DEI charge about Kamala,, let’s remember that when no one was purposely promoting her due to her sex and race, she got exactly 0 delegates when she ran in the primary years ago. Clearly she needed the boost of DEI to get her where she think she needs to be.

iris lilies
7-24-24, 10:11am
I'm afraid I'm not following the logic that Trump did not commit crimes and that the news should not have reported on a presidential candidate's criminal trials through the court systems because it promoted the republican agenda.
Donald Trump “falsified business records “and that was the one single thing that resulted in these 34 charges. He pulled down 34 separate charges for one act. Do you actually care about that?

he did it, he could be prosecuted, he was prosecuted. But it’s not important. This other charges and how he screwed the United States are more important to me topped by the January 6 shenanigans.

Just like influence peddling by the Biden family is creepy and probably prosecutable. That affected our country.

The fact that Hunter Biden lied on a gun application is unimportant and that prosecution was politically motivated.

so many prosecutions are politically motivated. It is simply untrue that every time a law is broekn, there is prosecution.

LDAHL
7-24-24, 10:17am
we could have an actual pull-himself-up-by -the -bootstraps VP one heartbeat from the Presidency in JD Vance.

as for the DEI charge about Kamala,, let’s remember that when no one was purposely promoting her due to her sex and race, she got exactly 0 delegates when she ran in the primary years ago. Clearly she needed the boost of DEI to get her where she think she needs to be.

I thought Vance was a revealing choice. He doesn’t seem to add any voters to the ticket they didn’t already have. Is this Trump trying to cement his legacy? A signal that he wants to sweep out any vestiges of Reaganism from the GOP? That saddens me.

iris lilies
7-24-24, 10:55am
I thought Vance was a revealing choice. He doesn’t seem to add any voters to the ticket they didn’t already have. Is this Trump trying to cement his legacy? A signal that he wants to sweep out any vestiges of Reaganism from the GOP? That saddens me.
I heard The Editors lament this, but we knew that was coming for a long time. It has been discussed in Missouri politics, the loss of John Dandorth type politicos. Out With the old and in with the new.

And I am celebrating the fact that JD Vance is not ancient. He’s only 39 years old. He has changed once, he can change again.

Alan
7-24-24, 11:49am
Donald Trump “falsified business records “and that was the one single thing that resulted in these 34 charges. He pulled down 34 separate charges for one act. Do you actually care about that?

Hillary Clinton did the exact same thing and her campaign was fined a few thousand dollars without an ounce of media fanfare as far as I recall. In Trump's case the misdemeanor violation which had already passed the statute of limitations date had to be linked to another crime in order to make it prosecutable. The additional crime was never specified and the jury was asked to mentally link it to a list of possible crimes which were never charged or prosecuted and the jury was not required to agree on what crime that may have been, which resulted in 35 felonies from 1 misdemeanor violation.

I've never heard of such a prosecution and fully expect the convictions to be reversed upon appeal, and I suspect the prosecution team is OK with that, they accomplished their goal of labeling Trump as felon in the period leading up to an election.

Alan
7-24-24, 12:22pm
The fact that Hunter Biden lied on a gun application is unimportant and that prosecution was politically motivated.

I don't know that it was politically motivated as much as it was CYA motivated as a result of the DOJ's attempt to sweep the initial charge, as well as any other potential charges that may be brought, under a rug. Once the presiding judge questioned the extent of the DOJ's agreement they found themselves in the difficult situation of either admitting they were trying to make all charges go away, or saying 'Oh, we didn't mean to do that, let's just go ahead and prosecute this one. My bad!!"

Rogar
7-24-24, 12:27pm
Donald Trump “falsified business records “and that was the one single thing that resulted in these 34 charges. He pulled down 34 separate charges for one act. Do you actually care about that?

he did it, he could be prosecuted, he was prosecuted. But it’s not important. This other charges and how he screwed the United States are more important to me topped by the January 6 shenanigans.

Just like influence peddling by the Biden family is creepy and probably prosecutable. That affected our country.

The fact that Hunter Biden lied on a gun application is unimportant and that prosecution was politically motivated.

so many prosecutions are politically motivated. It is simply untrue that every time a law is broekn, there is prosecution.

I'm pretty much over the argument that the legal system is weaponized against Trump or the GOP, especially after some Supreme Court rulings.

These are the specific felonies Trump was charged with. If you rob a bank with a gun while on probation you can bet there will be more than one charge, just as an example. It's just the way the law works.

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

LDAHL
7-24-24, 1:21pm
I heard The Editors lament this, but we knew that was coming for a long time. It has been discussed in Missouri politics, the loss of John Dandorth type politicos. Out With the old and in with the new.

And I am celebrating the fact that JD Vance is not ancient. He’s only 39 years old. He has changed once, he can change again.

I guess I have a problem with the new. What’s the point of defeating the Democrats if the GOP becomes no better than they are? Big, bullying government. Industrial policy. Damn the Constitution and full speed ahead thinking. Scrape away Trump’s bluster and Harris’ word salad, and there’s precious little distance between governing philosophy outside of a few traditional panders.

I’m at the point of praying for gridlock no matter who wins.

iris lilies
7-24-24, 2:08pm
I guess I have a problem with the new. What’s the point of defeating the Democrats if the GOP becomes no better than they are? Big, bullying government. Industrial policy. Damn the Constitution and full speed ahead thinking. Scrape away Trump’s bluster and Harris’ word salad, and there’s precious little distance between governing philosophy outside of a few traditional panders.

I’m at the point of praying for gridlock no matter who wins.

yes, gridlock is nice. If we can all just turn off our social media and political commentary and go about our lives, our lives will be mostly unaffected. Both houses and the executive branch will lob insults and gen up news stories and etc. but not much of it is important if they can’t “get anything done. “

iris lilies
7-24-24, 2:24pm
I don't know that it was politically motivated as much as it was CYA motivated as a result of the DOJ's attempt to sweep the initial charge, as well as any other potential charges that may be brought, under a rug. Once the presiding judge questioned the extent of the DOJ's agreement they found themselves in the difficult situation of either admitting they were trying to make all charges go away, or saying 'Oh, we didn't mean to do that, let's just go ahead and prosecute this one. My bad!!"

Sure, but how did the initial charge against Hunter come about? who is looking at his gun owner application five years after the fact, and why? It’s because he’s Joe Biden’s son and/or more likely because he placed himself in the news due to shenanigans of influence peddling.

Joe blow down the street from me. It’s not gonna have his gun ownership application scrutinized.

Rogar
7-24-24, 3:21pm
The attacks J. D. has been making about Harris not having any biological children are quite Trumpian in their gross indecency.

Tybee
7-24-24, 5:45pm
Here's an interesting report about Trump's behavior from his nephew:

Trump suggested people with disabilities ‘should just die,’ nephew reveals in memoir | The Independent (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-nephew-disability-memoir-b2585139.html)

Rogar
7-24-24, 6:16pm
When Trump is re-elected, Democrats will be to blame....

Since the polls are showing an equal race, I say when Harris wins it will be because the GOP picked an angry old man with a victim mentality and a criminal record instead of the sharp you woman president Haley could have been. I'd guess she could have beat anything the democrats could come up with on short notice. Both parties can be faulted for not bringing up promising younger politicians instead of the old school.

catherine
7-24-24, 6:25pm
Does Trump mispronounce Kamala's name on purpose?

iris lilies
7-24-24, 7:13pm
Since the polls are showing an equal race, I say when Harris wins it will be because the GOP picked an angry old man with a victim mentality and a criminal record instead of the sharp you woman president Haley could have been. I'd guess she could have beat anything the democrats could come up with on short notice. Both parties can be faulted for not bringing up promising younger politicians instead of the old school.
I can’t disagree with this.

jp1
7-24-24, 8:44pm
And I am celebrating the fact that JD Vance is not ancient. He’s only 39 years old. He has changed once, he can change again.

He’s only changed once? You mean from never trumper who called trump America’s hitler to trump sycophant? Personally that’s the kind of change I can do without. But for the modern Republican Party it seems all too common.

jp1
7-24-24, 8:46pm
Does Trump mispronounce Kamala's name on purpose?

Probably. But we can’t count out his mental decline as a possible reason.

jp1
7-24-24, 8:59pm
You don't hear the reference to white privilege as much these days as you used to.

And maybe that’s what we should’ve called trump’s 2016 nomination. Because we all know that no one but a white man could possibly ever receive one of our main political parties’ nomination for President with absolutely no governmental experience. Just 8 years before that at least one person on this site was calling into question whether a sitting senator had enough experience to be a presidential nominee. That same people was absolutely silent in 2016 and in fact voted for the completely inexperienced candidate that year.

jp1
7-24-24, 9:08pm
of course he did. Everyone knows Biden limited his VP choice to 7% of the population.

I also recall JP talking about a DEI hire on the Supreme Court. I’m unclear why that wasn’t “racist” according to JP values.

I absolutely intended to slam Thomas for only getting the job because he’s black. The difference between him and Kamala is that presidential candidates select their VP’s based on who they think will help them most electorally. At least they did until trump chose Vance. Biden picked someone who had had multiple previous electoral success and was likely to be popular with one of the democratic party’s key voting demographics, black women. That’s not a DEi hire, that’s strategic decision making.

Rogar
7-24-24, 9:20pm
I understand J.D. has been nurtured through the system as the poor boy from the rust belt and had some unusual breaks because of it.

LDAHL
7-25-24, 10:17am
yes, gridlock is nice. If we can all just turn off our social media and political commentary and go about our lives, our lives will be mostly unaffected. Both houses and the executive branch will lob insults and gen up news stories and etc. but not much of it is important if they can’t “get anything done. “

But in the long run, what should old-timey movement conservatives do? Henry Olsen has a piece on that in NR. He thinks conservatives should accept Trumpist populism as a fait accompli and become an influential minority within the GOP, rather than maintain their ideological purity in powerless isolation.

Maybe he’s right. If politics is about influencing events, dirty compromise may be preferable to impotent virtue signaling.

iris lilies
7-25-24, 5:03pm
Biden’s press secretary was interviewed today and doubled down on the message that Biden will not pardon Hunter Biden.


I guess that means Hunter Biden will be pardoned.

gimmethesimplelife
7-25-24, 7:07pm
I am so excited now as there is a chance that Arizona may finally get it's day in the shade and in a positive way, for once! Apparently Arizona Democratic Senator Mark Kelly is one of the top two names in Kamala Harris's VP pick set - the other being PA Governor Josh Shapiro. Mark Kelly is an intelligent man - I once heard him speak in regards to the constitutionality of peaceful protests and I was so impressed. Also he is a man of character who stuck by his wife Gabby Giffords when she was shot at a constituent meet and greet in Tucson in 2011 - and her recovery was indeed long and trying. I know I have the ulterior motive of wanting something GOOD to come out of this state in which I spent much of my life - but I also truly believe Mark Kelly would be an amazing VP. Rob

PS THANK YOU, Joe Biden for dropping out. Your having left the race allows for this chance for something good to possibly come to Arizona. Rob

LDAHL
7-25-24, 8:48pm
Biden’s press secretary was interviewed today and doubled down on the message that Biden will not pardon Hunter Biden.


I guess that means Hunter Biden will be pardoned.

He’ll only pardon Hunter if God Almighty tells him to.

iris lilies
7-25-24, 9:24pm
He’ll only pardon Hunter if God Almighty tells him to.
Haha, or Nancy Pelosi.

jp1
7-27-24, 12:09pm
But in the long run, what should old-timey movement conservatives do? Henry Olsen has a piece on that in NR. He thinks conservatives should accept Trumpist populism as a fait accompli and become an influential minority within the GOP, rather than maintain their ideological purity in powerless isolation.

Maybe he’s right. If politics is about influencing events, dirty compromise may be preferable to impotent virtue signaling.

All the politician class republicans have admitted defeat by quitting, or were defeated by election, against the maga traitors. You might as well too I guess. Nothing to cap off a life of principled conservatism like giving up and going with the absolute opposite when that's the direction your political party chooses.

If the principled conservatives abandoned the republicans for a couple of elections and let them lose bigly things would change. Especially since trump will likely be dead or in prison by 2028 if he doesn't retake the white house and almost certainly and obviously quite mentally incompetent.

jp1
7-30-24, 11:34am
If I were a republican I hope I would have the guts to be like this guy.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2024/07/29/mesa-mayor-republican-vote-kamala-harris/74583703007/

LDAHL
7-31-24, 12:49pm
All the politician class republicans have admitted defeat by quitting, or were defeated by election, against the maga traitors. You might as well too I guess. Nothing to cap off a life of principled conservatism like giving up and going with the absolute opposite when that's the direction your political party chooses.

If the principled conservatives abandoned the republicans for a couple of elections and let them lose bigly things would change. Especially since trump will likely be dead or in prison by 2028 if he doesn't retake the white house and almost certainly and obviously quite mentally incompetent.

While I’m no great fan of Trump, I feel uncomfortable abandoning the field to the Democrats entirely as some kind of penance. Despite Trump’s bluster and egomania, l can see a pretty wide authoritarian streak in Harris as well. Especially the 2019 version of “If Congress won’t I will”. The 2022 version is pretty much an extension of Biden, and the current media creation being frantically promoted will melt away when we inevitably get the unscripted version.

I’ll probably vote for Chase Oliver at the top of the ticket and GOP otherwise. I can’t see handing the Democrats a mandate for all kinds of constitutionally questionable nonsense of their own.

jp1
7-31-24, 10:18pm
Apparently there is a second honorable Arizona Republican. Thankfully he’ll be in office through the current election so that republicans with less ethical conviction can’t do anything to destroy this country. Sadly a lot of weak republicans seem to think that being team red is more important than being team America.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/31/stephen-richer-maricopa-county-arizona-primary/

ToomuchStuff
7-31-24, 11:14pm
Biden’s press secretary was interviewed today and doubled down on the message that Biden will not pardon Hunter Biden.


I guess that means Hunter Biden will be pardoned.

I am thinking so, but it was probably to be done by Kamala, after he stepped down if she wins.

gimmethesimplelife
8-1-24, 12:08am
I read today that Kamala Harris intends to disclose her running mate by Tuesday. Apparently there is a rally scheduled next Tuesday and there she will appear with her running mate. Crossing fingers that Arizona has it's day in the shade and Mark Kelly is chosen. It is just so wonderful that FINALLY Arizona has some of the best to offer instead of the usual political insanity/chaos (remember this is the state of two recalled Governors in this lifetime). I just hope this great Arizona resource is tapped. Rob

jp1
8-1-24, 12:30am
https://www.axios.com/local/phoenix/2024/07/31/maricopa-county-election-results-sheriff-recorder-supervisors

He’s not an astronaut but he’s also a good Arizonan.