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gimmethesimplelife
9-15-24, 8:43pm
Apparently there was another assassination attempt against DJT in West Palm Beach, Fla. I just wish this Election were over. It's getting so ugly and I am.worrying for the Haitians in.Springfield, OH. It's just too insane. Rob

Alan
9-15-24, 9:50pm
Apparently there was another assassination attempt against DJT in West Palm Beach, Fla. I just wish this Election were over.
Do you think assassination attempts against DJT will stop after the election or will they continue until the job is done?

gimmethesimplelife
9-15-24, 10:05pm
Do you think assassination attempts against DJT will stop after the election or will they continue until the job is done?I"m going to guess they will continue? As long as DJT continues to lie and spew hateful.rhetoric against Haitian immigrants. There is a lot he could be doing - such as not instigating events such as 01/06/2021 that would help with his safety - though realistically he may well have pushed it too far and may wind up dead at any minute. Rob

bae
9-15-24, 10:09pm
I"m going to guess they will continue? As long as DJT continues to lie and spew hateful.rhetoric against Haitian immigrants.

Rob - are you linking this attempt to Haitian immigrants, or the immigrant community in general?

I'm not clear on your reasoning.

gimmethesimplelife
9-15-24, 10:17pm
I'm not blaming immigrants for anything. I'm blaming Trump for creating such a tense and hostile climate that his demise coild come at any moment. Rob

Tradd
9-15-24, 10:17pm
Rob, you’re way off on this one. This attempt was a guy who apparently was very passionate about Ukraine and thought Orange Man didn’t support Ukraine. Suspect had actually gone to Ukraine to help support Ukrainian troops.

gimmethesimplelife
9-15-24, 10:18pm
Rob, you’re way off on this one. This attempt was a guy who apparently was very passionate about Ukraine and thought Orange Man didn’t support Ukraine. Suspect had actually gone to Ukraine to help support Ukrainian troops.I'm talking of likely future attempts, Tradd. Rob

Alan
9-15-24, 11:00pm
I'm talking of likely future attempts, Tradd. Rob
Are you implying that Trump is somehow forcing some poor, misunderstood murderer to make another, or multiple other attempts on his life?

gimmethesimplelife
9-15-24, 11:04pm
Are you implying that Trump is somehow forcing some poor, misunderstood murderer to make another, or multiple other attempts on his life?Not at all. I am stating that his deranged lunacy and need to instigate illegal acts could at any moment lead to his demise. He has gone too far and karma stops for no one. Rob

jp1
9-16-24, 4:13am
Rob, you’re way off on this one. This attempt was a guy who apparently was very passionate about Ukraine and thought Orange Man didn’t support Ukraine. Suspect had actually gone to Ukraine to help support Ukrainian troops.

Orange man doesn’t support Ukraine.

Tradd
9-16-24, 7:14am
Orange man doesn’t support Ukraine.

I mistyped.

littlebittybobby
9-16-24, 8:45am
okay--------everyonne KNOWS this was a setup----it is ALL Trumps fault. Yup. Instead of staying in the office and reading up on policy issues, he was out golfing---where he would knowingly be exposed to crackpot nutjobs wanting their chance to enter the history books. I wouldn't be surprised if RFK's boy was in on it, somehow. But yeah---the perp has been identified----AK 47----and later today, KH will hold a conference & state unequivocally that we should ban them for everyone except her security team. So anyway---Trump has dodged the bullet, again. If they catch the person who was in possession of the rifle, they no doubt will be spending the rest of their days occupying Ted Kacyzinkys old cell at the Supermax, getting free everything, like a goo d demmacrat. Yup. Like FDR shoulda said:(and I misquote) "The Only thing we have to fear is other demmacratz" enquote. Yup. Time to drive-n-eat; who has the best chickin' in town?

Alan
9-16-24, 11:19am
Not at all. I am stating that his deranged lunacy and need to instigate illegal acts could at any moment lead to his demise. He has gone too far and karma stops for no one. Rob
Rob, although you may not realize it, you're sounding like a domestic abuser justifying his actions, "the victim made me do it!"

iris lilies
9-16-24, 11:37am
Rob, although you may not realize it, you're sounding like a domestic abuser justifying his actions, "the victim made me do it!"

yeah, the Babylon Bee’s headline today is “Media Assures Americans The Real Threat Is The Side That Keeps Getting Shot At”,

LDAHL
9-16-24, 12:25pm
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-accuse-trump-of-inciting-further-violence-by-not-dying

Today there’s: “Democrats Accuse Trump of Inciting Further Violence by Not Dying”.

iris lilies
9-16-24, 2:09pm
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-accuse-trump-of-inciting-further-violence-by-not-dying

Today there’s: “Democrats Accuse Trump of Inciting Further Violence by Not Dying”.
Damn that Trump!

frugal-one
9-16-24, 2:24pm
https://babylonbee.com/news/democrats-accuse-trump-of-inciting-further-violence-by-not-dying

Today there’s: “Democrats Accuse Trump of Inciting Further Violence by Not Dying”.

Ha! Satire website.

Rogar
9-16-24, 3:06pm
I suppose technically there may be nothing illegal about hiding in the bushes with an AK-47? I'm sort of wondering how that will turn out.

One might guess that this could budge the GOP policy on assault weapons, but probably not...

Alan
9-16-24, 3:15pm
Ha! Satire website.
That's the great thing about satire, it's close enough to being true that it's funny.

gimmethesimplelife
9-16-24, 5:09pm
Rob, although you may not realize it, you're sounding like a domestic abuser justifying his actions, "the victim made me do it!"You really don't understand, do you?

What Trump did is not different than from what the Nazis did in my Homeland in 1938 before the roundups to the death camps began. Look at the course of human history - human beings will only tolerate so much of this and don't drop dead of shock but I have some nice words for Americans for once. That being - Americans have a shorter wick/fuse than most nationalities - in this case, such actually works and works well. Yes, I did say that.

Point being - Trump and Vance have gone too damned far. Way way way too far - but as I said about the short fuses of Americans above, there are already calls - and by some political big names - for JD Vance to resign the Senate due to his creation of Haitigate. Getting back to your post, here - it would not be right to assassinate Trump and I am not for this even after Haitigate (which utterly makes me want to vomit given that I can clearly see the parallels to 1938 in my Homeland) - but I also recognize that oppressed peoples only tolerate so much (human history will bear me out on this) and that even though it's wrong, Trump may be signing his death warrant by continuing such repulsive Nazi-like behavior. To this I once again say I understand to assassinate the schmuck is wrong by any means - but I also understand the dark side of human nature and I understand that no one - not even Donald Trump - is immune from earned karma.

Alles klar? Rob

Alan
9-16-24, 5:36pm
Alles klar?
I understand that you used a lot of unnecessary words to explain your viewpoint when your closing depiction of "earned karma" says it all quite succinctly.

gimmethesimplelife
9-16-24, 6:17pm
I understand that you used a lot of unnecessary words to explain your viewpoint when your closing depiction of "earned karma" says it all quite succinctly.I've always believed that Conservatives have an insufficient grasp on the reality(ies) of human nature - your post above serves to solidify this for me. Rob

gimmethesimplelife
9-16-24, 6:24pm
I understand that you used a lot of unnecessary words to explain your viewpoint when your closing depiction of "earned karma" says it all quite succinctly.Forgot to ask - Why the free pass for this Hitlerian behavior - and what does this say about you personally, especially given that you actually live in Ohio if I remember right? Rob

iris lilies
9-16-24, 6:42pm
As for a Kristalnacht, the harrassment of Jews in this country and in the U.K. is more than a little worrisome to me. Now that the Progressive left has joined traditional skinhead types in Jew hate, that’s gotta be On someone’s radar. But maybe not, it is all about Trump.

littlebittybobby
9-16-24, 6:51pm
okay------i got aqn idea, an o' course it ain't a original one---but it's a good one. so anyway-----there a lot of federal land in nevada, alaska, anbd other sparsely-populated states. thast said---we could solve a lotta the social problems we find running rampant in blue states(mostly) and across the country. but yeah----what we could do is build containment facilities on gummint land, and round up the malcontents, miscreants, and misfits, and put 'em in these facilities and structure their life so they keep busy, avoid substance abuse & other temptations. if they refuse to work----they don't eat. If they set fire to stuff, they sleep on the ground in a pen with a gravel floor., and so on See? A system of rewards for good behavior, not bad behavior. like real life. i'm all for this plan. hope that helps you some. thankk mee.

Alan
9-16-24, 11:30pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXm17zQWoAAMXdc?format=jpg&name=medium

jp1
9-17-24, 5:22am
Perhaps we can just normalize assassination attempts they way we have school shootings and just shrug them off as another ‘feature’ of the second amendment.

gimmethesimplelife
9-17-24, 6:21am
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXm17zQWoAAMXdc?format=jpg&name=mediumTo some degree, yes. DJT is responsible for creating and amping up how tense and hostile and citizen unfriendly the US truly is in multiple metrics. Once again, assassination IS morally wrong, even in DJT's pathetic case.....but there are those so far gone in this toxic climate created by DJT that basic humanity doesn't register. This is why I brought up the concept of earned karma. Consider it a price tag of the ever increasing inhumanity of the United States. The only real fix I can see is getting out - though a Harris win would buy time for more people to flee towards better. Rob

Rogar
9-17-24, 7:29am
So now it's the media's fault? Trump is know for spewing vitriol and demonizing a number of groups. The media just reports the news and Trump seems to thrive on getting the attention.

iris lilies
9-17-24, 8:14am
So now it's the media's fault? Trump is know for spewing vitriol and demonizing a number of groups. The media just reports the news and Trump seems to thrive on getting the attention.
The media makes “the news “by what it chooses to report, and yes, you are absolutely right that Donald Trump likes media attention be positive or negative.

early morning
9-17-24, 9:26am
Perhaps we can just normalize assassination attempts they way we have school shootings and just shrug them off as another ‘feature’ of the second amendment This seems, sadly, to be a likely outcome.

Meanwhile, on a personal level, I've been dithering about putting out political signs in my yard.... on one hand, I agree with Burke that "When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle" - and thus want to ally with other Democrats and democrats by supporting a leader who does not loudly proclaim a proclivity for authoritarianism. On the other, we've suffered minor vandalism in the past when displaying signs for Democratic candidates - signs and mailbox stolen (the entire mailbox AND post), signs destroyed, trash dumped in the yard - and part of me just wants to keep my head down. And that makes me somewhat ashamed. So I was all set to got a couple Harris signs, and then some a-hole sheriff in another little red town way north of us posted that people should identity and list all addresses that displayed such signs, for future use. (supposedly for when the "locusts" - aka undocumented immigrants- arrived, he would know where to send them, but it could become much more nefarious than that!) Which makes little sense, because the board of elections has lists of registered Democrats and Republicans in Ohio, so that info does not need to be gathered from yard signs. So - why would a sheriff - an elected official who is supposed to serve ALL persons in his county, and who would have access to this info already- want the general public to call out Harris supporters, if not to incite people against them?

So yeah, I'm gonna have to get some signs and maybe stock up on bird-shot. Or I wonder if I can rig some sort of glitter/bomb sort of thing on the signs. Have to look into that.... sounds like a good craft project. >8)

Alan
9-17-24, 9:58am
So yeah, I'm gonna have to get some signs and maybe stock up on bird-shot. Or I wonder if I can rig some sort of glitter/bomb sort of thing on the signs. Have to look into that.... sounds like a good craft project. >8)
I stopped putting up signs after the 2000 election when my single front yard sign was defaced with vulgar words spray painted on it and my house was peppered with paint balls.

My first thought was to double down and set up some sort of 'gotcha' for the perpetrators as well, but my wife overruled me.

littlebittybobby
9-17-24, 10:35am
Perhaps we can just normalize assassination attempts they way we have school shootings and just shrug them off as another ‘feature’ of the second amendment.Assasination attempts are "normal", even though statistically rare. If you compile a list of assassinations (or attempts) in the world for the last 120 years, you might see it as normal. But they are still rare, if you input the total world population & number of officials who are vulnerable.

Rogar
9-17-24, 12:28pm
The media makes “the news “by what it chooses to report, and yes, you are absolutely right that Donald Trump be positive or negative.

I imagine the corollary is that important national and world events make the news. In the case of Trump, he is a candidate that could be the next president and the public should know what is relevant to his character. That is important. The media just reports it.

Alan
9-17-24, 1:27pm
In the case of Trump, he is a candidate that could be the next president and the public should know what is relevant to his character. That is important. The media just reports it.
I think there's a little more to it than that. I remember when news broadcasts were required to be broadcast by networks as a public service in exchange for granting network access to the public airwaves. That resulted in mandatory small newscast blocks in early morning, early evening and late night where the relevant news of the day was presented. Then cable came along and was transmitted outside the public airwaves, without the public service requirement imposed on the legacy networks.

At that point it didn't take long for an entrepreneur to bring us a 24 hour news network with an awful lot of time to fill in its broadcasts, so opinion journalism made the leap from print publications to TV, and became the business model for everyone else broadcasting 'news' as a profit center.

As every other business does, these new broadcasters identified their preferred demographic and crafted their broadcasts to appeal to their market share to keep them engaged. We are all now simple consumers of 'news' and we mostly stick with those broadcasters who give us what we want or reinforce our own biases. It seems to me that media no longer simply 'reports' news, it tells us what we should think about the events of the day instead. I think it takes an awul lot of effort to determine whether whatever our media tells us is actual journalism or just another opinion they're selling us.

catherine
9-17-24, 1:38pm
I think there's a little more to it than that. I remember when news broadcasts were required to be broadcast by networks as a public service in exchange for granting network access to the public airwaves. That resulted in small newscast blocks in early morning, early evening and late night where the relevant news of the day was presented. Then cable came along and was transmitted outside the public airwaves, without the public service requirement imposed on the legacy networks.

At that point it didn't take long for an entrepreneur to bring us a 24 hour news network with an awful lot of time to fill in its broadcasts, so opinion journalism made the leap from print publications to TV, and became the business model for everyone else broadcasting 'news' as a profit center.

As every other business does, these new broadcasters identified their preferred demographic and crafted their broadcasts to appeal to their market share to keep them engaged. We are all now simple consumers of 'news' and we mostly stick with those broadcasters who give us what we want or reinforce our own biases. It seems to me that media no longer simply 'reports' news, it tells us what we should think about the events of the day instead.

That's exactly right. And it didn't take long for media consolidation in the 90s to take place so that now only 6 companies own 90% of the media. And to Alan's point, each one will have its own branding and marketing strategies, target audience, and messaging to titilate each of their predetermined audiences. This is a huge reason we are so divided.

iris lilies
9-17-24, 1:39pm
I stopped putting up signs after the 2000 election when my single front yard sign was defaced with vulgar words spray painted on it and my house was peppered with paint balls.

My first thought was to double down and set up some sort of 'gotcha' for the perpetrators as well, but my wife overruled me.


No one needed to put up Democratic Presidential candidate signs in my old city neighborhood because they were all of the hive mind. The few renegades were known to one another, our secret handshake clued us in. :) I wouldnt put up a Trump sign since I am not a Trump supporte but the “ reddest” sign I put up was the one Thanking Police which I pulled out occasionally over the years to theow off my neighbors.

As for political signs for candidates, when we had a sign it was always for a local Democratic politician because they *ALL* ran on the Democratic ticket so we chose the most reasonable one who in another, more reasonable land, might have run on a Republican ticket.

gimmethesimplelife
9-17-24, 2:10pm
No one needed to put up Democratic Presidential candidate signs in my old city neighborhood because they were all of the hive mind. The few renegades were known to one another, our secret handshake clued us in. :) I wouldnt put up a Trump sign since I am not a Trump supporte but the “ reddest” sign I put up was the one Thanking Police which I pulled out occasionally over the years to theow off my neighbors.

As for political signs for candidates, when we had a sign it was always for a local Democratic politician because they *ALL* ran on the Democratic ticket so we chose the most reasonable one who in another, more reasonable land, might have run on a Republican ticket.Something interesting that I have noticed is that in Central Phoenix in my neighborhood - no, I'm not going zip code on you'all LOL - there are far fewer signs period than in prior years. Of course where I live there are no Trump signs but interestingly enough there are very few Harris/Walz signs. One of the few are in the yard of a couple transplanted from Wichita, Kansas that I posted of a few years ago when they were flying Trump signs in their rented yard. Now they are sporting a Harris/Walz sign in their yard. Since I have not talked to them I don't know what is behind this change of heart but it was a joy to see. SO first told me of it and it was so hard to believe that I got my butt up on a day off to walk a couple streets over to see and sure enough, he was right! It's not that I did not believe SO, it's just that it seemed so unlikely. But at any rate, we here in my neighborhood are not plastering with political signs this time around. Rob

bae
9-17-24, 2:19pm
Signs here seem to get vandalized these days. Didn’t used to happen.

If I were motivated, I’d put up a nice game-cam trap, but, bigger fish to fry at the moment.

LDAHL
9-17-24, 4:13pm
Do you think the media chatter would be different right now if two attempts had been made on Harris? Would we be hearing long sermons about “stochastic terrorism”?

flowerseverywhere
9-17-24, 4:39pm
Alan, I agree with your statements about media. The 24 hour news (mostly opinion) cycle has been most unhelpful.

I do have a question. Shots were fired by the secret service. Is it usual for highly trained agents to miss the target? I know little about guns but it would seem if the gunman was poised to take a shot from that distance the SS would have been able to hit him. But I don’t know anything about guns.

I do know this shooter had a past history of arrests so probably should not have had a gun at all. Trumps right not to get assassinated means criminals should not have guns, especially ones capable of killing him from so far away. I don’t like Trump, but I certainly don’t want him killed.

catherine
9-17-24, 5:00pm
Would we be hearing long sermons about “stochastic terrorism”?

No, because no one would know what the heck that means, including me.

Alan
9-17-24, 5:03pm
I do have a question. Shots were fired by the secret service. Is it usual for highly trained agents to miss the target? I know little about guns but it would seem if the gunman was poised to take a shot from that distance the SS would have been able to hit him. But I don’t know anything about guns.

That's a hard question to answer, mostly because of unknown variables. It's much easier to hit a target from 10 yards than 50 yards and we don't know the distance involved. It's much harder to hit a target while under stress than it is in the absence of stress. It's much easier to hit a target you can see opposed to one behind cover. It's much easier to hit a target from a distance with a rifle than with a handgun.

I spent years going through live fire houses twice a year while trying not to suffer the indignity of being taken out in the presence of my coworkers. Sometimes I did well, sometimes I didn't. The only thing I know for sure is that training and preparation make you a much better shot but doesn't guarantee perfection.

Rogar
9-17-24, 6:02pm
At that point it didn't take long for an entrepreneur to bring us a 24 hour news network with an awful lot of time to fill in its broadcasts, so opinion journalism made the leap from print publications to TV, and became the business model for everyone else broadcasting 'news' as a profit center.

As every other business does, these new broadcasters identified their preferred demographic and crafted their broadcasts to appeal to their market share to keep them engaged. We are all now simple consumers of 'news' and we mostly stick with those broadcasters who give us what we want or reinforce our own biases. It seems to me that media no longer simply 'reports' news, it tells us what we should think about the events of the day instead. I think it takes an awul lot of effort to determine whether whatever our media tells us is actual journalism or just another opinion they're selling us.

One could begin to think that there is not any real news in the absolute sense, but only what demographics and profit centers deem is in their best interest to serve up to the public.

catherine
9-17-24, 6:31pm
One could begin to think that there is not any real news in the absolute sense, but only what demographics and profit centers deem is in their best interest to serve up to the public.

Yes, that's true.

Rogar
9-17-24, 6:54pm
Fake news must be rampant.

how’s it go, Red is grey, yellow-white, but we decide which is right…and which is an illusion.

I interpreted Alan's reference to the mainstream media as possibly hyping or over aggrandizing Trump's vitriol as playing a part in his assassination attempts is not my reality. He's said some really bad things about certain groups of people that should not be hidden from or ignored by the public or the media. Perhaps I misinterpreted his media references. I have some faith left in responsible unbiased reporting.

iris lilies
9-17-24, 8:31pm
Fake news must be rampant.

how’s it go, Red is grey, yellow-white, but we decide which is right…and which is an illusion.

I interpreted Alan's reference to the mainstream media as possibly hyping or over aggrandizing Trump's vitriol as playing a part in his assassination attempts is not my reality. He's said some really bad things about certain groups of people that should not be hidden from or ignored by the public or the media. Perhaps I misinterpreted his media references. I have some faith left in responsible unbiased reporting.

who is doing unbiased reporting?


I don’t especially look for unbiased reporting because every nes source that I know has a point of view going into the news story and with that point of view comes a bias. But it can be a light bias, it is not always a heavy bias.

I seldom listen to straight news reporting anyway, and what I do is just to catch basic facts of a news story. Perhaps my “basic facts” is your “ unbiased reports.”.


Just by virtue of what each new source reports on is biased.

Rogar
9-17-24, 9:33pm
who is doing unbiased reporting?

I guess we all have to find our way. I have a favorite or two that probably differs from any media trust you might have, but I do like factcheck.org.

Do you have a news source you trust to be on the up and up most of the time, or it it just big money media manipulation most of the time.

Getting back to Alan's post that seemed to implicate a broad range of mainstream media has unjustly amplified Trump's antagonistic rhetoric beyond what people need or should want to know about a presidential candidate. Is this this fake news or at least media bias. If I get it right. Possibly a rhetorical question.

frugal-one
9-17-24, 10:48pm
As for a Kristalnacht, the harrassment of Jews in this country and in the U.K. is more than a little worrisome to me. Now that the Progressive left has joined traditional skinhead types in Jew hate, that’s gotta be On someone’s radar. But maybe not, it is all about Trump.

Where are you getting this?

frugal-one
9-17-24, 10:52pm
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GXm17zQWoAAMXdc?format=jpg&name=medium

As you stated previously… satire mimicking reality!

Alan
9-17-24, 11:00pm
As you stated previously… satire mimicking reality!
Although in reality we have people saying this very thing. Check out Rob's posts in this thread.

jp1
9-18-24, 6:14am
Where are you getting this?

I assume she was referencing the pro-Palestinian protests. A certain segment of our population seems to think that anyone who ever questions any of Israel's actions is antisemitic automatically.

iris lilies
9-18-24, 10:37am
I assume she was referencing the pro-Palestinian protests. A certain segment of our population seems to think that anyone who ever questions any of Israel's actions is antisemitic automatically.

you do not speak for me

LDAHL
9-18-24, 12:01pm
No, because no one would know what the heck that means, including me.

The term enjoyed a vogue a few years back as a scientificy way to describe how those crypto-Nazi, Russian asset, hateful, racist Republicans were inciting violence in society’s madder members by their hostile rhetoric.

iris lilies
9-18-24, 12:09pm
The term enjoyed a vogue a few years back as a scientificy way to describe how those crypto-Nazi, Russian asset, hateful, racist Republicans were inciting violence in society’s madder members by their hostile rhetoric.
we remarked on “Stochastic terrorism “ here in these forums when mainstream media used it as their talking point for a while. The phrase was everywhere.

Try to keep up, Catherine.

:)

jp1
9-18-24, 8:43pm
you do not speak for me

By all means feel free to clarify what you did mean then.

Rogar
9-19-24, 7:23am
No, because no one would know what the heck that means, including me.

https://link.motherjones.com/public/35215969

"If you’re not familiar with term “stochastic terrorism,” now is a good time to bone up, for the leading Republican candidate is a stochastic terrorist.

Stochastic terrorism is defined by conflict and law enforcement experts as the demonization of a foe so that he, she, or they might become targets of violence. Scientific American recently put it this way (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-stochastic-terrorism-uses-disgust-to-incite-violence/?utm_source=mj-newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily-newsletter-09-27-2023):

Dehumanizing and vilifying a person or group of people can provoke what scholars and law enforcement officials call stochastic terrorism (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hate-speech-online-extremism-fed-pelosi-attack-terror-experts-believe-2022-10-29/?utm_source=mj-newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily-newsletter-09-27-2023), in which ideologically driven hate speech increases the likelihood that people will violently and unpredictably attack the targets of vicious claims. At its core, stochastic terrorism exploits one of our strongest and most complicated emotions: disgust."

LDAHL
9-19-24, 11:24am
https://link.motherjones.com/public/35215969

"If you’re not familiar with term “stochastic terrorism,” now is a good time to bone up, for the leading Republican candidate is a stochastic terrorist.

Stochastic terrorism is defined by conflict and law enforcement experts as the demonization of a foe so that he, she, or they might become targets of violence. Scientific American recently put it this way (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-stochastic-terrorism-uses-disgust-to-incite-violence/?utm_source=mj-newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily-newsletter-09-27-2023):

Dehumanizing and vilifying a person or group of people can provoke what scholars and law enforcement officials call stochastic terrorism (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/hate-speech-online-extremism-fed-pelosi-attack-terror-experts-believe-2022-10-29/?utm_source=mj-newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=daily-newsletter-09-27-2023), in which ideologically driven hate speech increases the likelihood that people will violently and unpredictably attack the targets of vicious claims. At its core, stochastic terrorism exploits one of our strongest and most complicated emotions: disgust."

Makes a great scholarly sounding cover for demanding limits on free speech; as well as accusing your opposition as hate mongers.

Rogar
9-19-24, 12:52pm
Makes a great scholarly sounding cover for demanding limits on free speech; as well as accusing your opposition as hate mongers.

I hope the book patrol in Florida doesn't get a line on the Scientific American article.

LDAHL
9-20-24, 10:33am
I hope the book patrol in Florida doesn't get a line on the Scientific American article.

Now there’s a publication that has declined sadly as they’ve descended into woke politics. They began endorsing presidential candidates in 2020.

iris lilies
9-20-24, 11:26am
Now there’s a publication that has declined sadly as they’ve descended into woke politics. They began endorsing presidential candidates in 2020.
Scientific American also ran an article that said there is no human biological binary, disregarding a basic fact of science.

I can only imagine what other idealogical truths they are now promoting.

LDAHL
9-20-24, 12:06pm
Scientific American also ran an article that said there is no human biological binary, disregarding a basic fact of science.

I can only imagine what other idealogical truths they are now promoting.

They decided Dungeons and Dragons was racist.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/dungeons-and-dragons-is-shedding-race-in-gaming-heres-why-it-matters/

Rogar
9-20-24, 1:12pm
Maybe they should be banned in Florida, then. They are saying the reason they weighed in on the 2020 election was due to Trump's rejection of scientific evidence, after 175 years of staying out of presidential politics. I'm ok with that. Seems to be common among the right wingers, so I understand the objections.

In my book, it's a popular magazine not unlike Discover and Nature. There are more scholarly journals out there.

iris lilies
9-21-24, 3:50pm
Where are you getting this?

sorry it took a few days to circle back to this.


https://theconversation.com/antisemitism-has-moved-from-the-right-to-the-left-in-the-us-and-falls-back-on-long-standing-stereotypes-215760


This is the first article to come up in a Google search about the Left’s new antisemitism obsession, there are many others. I first started paying attention to it, real attention, when University of California students physically blocked Jewish students from using the library on Campus. That was…eye opening.

It wasn’t shouting slogans which is going “both” ways with as much Palestinian hate being shown as Jew hate. This was physical restraint, a campus pogram if you will.

And then I watched with dismay when the Presidents of all those colleges
( Harvard/Penn/Columbia) refused in their Congressional hearings to disclaim hate speech on their campuses. Note that I’m not looking for free speech limits by the government which would be anti-1st amendment, I’m looking for university campuses that have codes of conduct to actually, you know, require those codes to be followed about
Jew hate.

https://theconversation.com/antisemitism-has-moved-from-the-right-to-the-left-in-the-us-and-falls-back-on-long-standing-stereotypes-215760

gimmethesimplelife
9-23-24, 11:41am
I'm getting worried of some kind of stand off should Trump come to Springfield. The tension amd utter hopelessness and instability are there in more than ample amounts. Rob

iris lilies
9-23-24, 4:06pm
Where are you getting this?


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jJfIIVEy1sk&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D

Ted Cruz gives a nice summary of lefty antisemitism shenanigans around the country in recent months, in these congressional hearings held just a few days ago.

isn’t Rachel Maddow covering any of this?hmm.

Rogar
9-25-24, 8:23am
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jJfIIVEy1sk&pp=QAFIAQ%3D%3D

Ted Cruz gives a nice summary of lefty antisemitism shenanigans around the country in recent months, in these congressional hearings held just a few days ago.

isn’t Rachel Maddow covering any of this?hmm.

I'm not sure how far I'd go with Ted's blame game and his politization of things, but the rest of it was actually very good. It doesn't change my overall opinion that he's a snake in the grass, but it did elevate it a bit.

catherine
9-25-24, 9:23am
I watched the video. Ted Cruz did a great job with that speech. I also continued to watch my own Senator from Vermont, Senator Welch, who emphasized that hate crimes should not divide us--they should unite us in terms of making hate crimes a collective civic responsibility. He spoke of the 3 Palestinians that were shot last Thanksgiving near UVM where they were innocent students. In quiet little Burlington, VT! All hate crimes need to be addressed. Yes, there should have been a larger response from the universities and the media with regard to anti-Semitic activity. But as Rogar said, stop with the political blame game.

iris lilies
9-25-24, 9:30am
I watched the video. Ted Cruz did a great job with that speech. I also continued to watch my own Senator from Vermont, Senator Welch, who emphasized that hate crimes should not divide us--they should unite us in terms of making hate crimes a collective civic responsibility. He spoke of the 3 Palestinians that were shot last Thanksgiving near UVM where they were innocent students. In quiet little Burlington, VT! All hate crimes need to be addressed. Yes, there should have been a larger response from the universities and the media with regard to anti-Semitic activity. But as Rogar said, stop with the political blame game.
I heard your senator too. He did a nice job. I started out thinking about that Saturday Night Live sketch where there’s no people but white people in Vermont so how could there be hate crimes? But then I remembered you had talked about the Palestinian guys who were shot. that is a horrible tragedy.

catherine
9-25-24, 9:51am
I heard your senator too. He did a nice job. I started out thinking about that Saturday Night Live sketch where there’s no people but white people in Vermont so how could there be hate crimes? But then I remembered you had talked about the Palestinian guys who were shot. that is a horrible tragedy.

I have to say I love that SNL skit (of course, I also have that old-lady crush on Adam Driver). I just came back from a trip to NJ, where my two grandsons are the only Whites in their classes--which is even more evident by the fact that they are striking platinum blondes against a sea of dark-haired South Asians. I'm glad they are having that experience. I'm sure they'll learn from it. One of the downsides of living in most regions of Vermont is its monoculture of Caucasians.

catherine
9-25-24, 10:34am
This Substack article by Charles Eisenstein relates to this recent topic on this thread. I am a fan of his.. have followed his writings for a long time. He can be a little "whoo-whoo" but for the most part he is extremely lucid in his arguments.

In this article, he talks about the difference between believing people are either "evil" vs "good" ("dispositionism") vs people who exhibit good or bad judgement/tendencies on the basis of their circumstances and experiences ("situationism"). Basically we have to resist "dispositionism" as much as can reasonably be expected if we ever hope to have peace.

https://substack.com/@charleseisenstein132105/p-149377368

iris lilies
9-25-24, 10:50am
This Substack article by Charles Eisenstein relates to this recent topic on this thread. I am a fan of his.. have followed his writings for a long time. He can be a little "whoo-whoo" but for the most part he is extremely lucid in his arguments.

In this article, he talks about the difference between believing people are either "evil" vs "good" ("dispositionism") vs people who exhibit good or bad judgement/tendencies on the basis of their circumstances and experiences ("situationism"). Basically we have to resist "dispositionism" as much as can reasonably be expected if we ever hope to have peace.

https://substack.com/@charleseisenstein132105/p-149377368

That is a very good and reasoned article.He uses the word “evil” too often though, a word I hold for very very few cases, conditions, and persons.

catherine
9-25-24, 11:01am
That is a very good and reasoned article.He uses the word “evil” too often though, a word I hold for very very few cases, conditions, and persons.

Yes, and I think that's the point. I imagine Eisenstein is trying to also depress the use of the word, given how often it is thrown around these days.

LDAHL
9-25-24, 12:36pm
I think that too often we say “evil” when what we really mean is “stupid”. Not that stupidity is necessarily less destructive, but it’s so much easier to impugn someone’s motives than rebut their arguments. Once you’ve dismissed someone as evil, you can stop thinking and indulge in whatever bilious insults gratify your darker instincts.

Deciding someone is Hitler, or some variant, you get to stop thinking and turn the helm over to your reptile brain.

frugal-one
9-25-24, 2:16pm
I think that too often we say “evil” when what we really mean is “stupid”. Not that stupidity is necessarily less destructive, but it’s so much easier to impugn someone’s motives than rebut their arguments. Once you’ve dismissed someone as evil, you can stop thinking and indulge in whatever bilious insults gratify your darker instincts.

Deciding someone is Hitler, or some variant, you get to stop thinking and turn the helm over to your reptile brain.

Actions speak louder than words. You are probably one that has not watched the hearings detailing all the crimes trump has committed. You have, however, taken his imbecilic nastiness of calling people ridiculous names.

iris lilies
9-25-24, 5:12pm
Back to the assassinations of Donald J Trump: the Secret Service report came out today and it was one that Americans should buy because it was put out by a bipartisan committee and the current head of the Secret Service agreed it is accurate.


Several things that were predictable went wrong in the July 13 assassination attempt on the life of presidential candidate Donald Trump. it was a failure of leadership.


My favorite part was the drone that stopped functioning and the Secret Service operator was on the phone for hours to the helpdesk of the company that manufactured it. Gosh, we’ve all been there.

Tybee
9-25-24, 6:20pm
Praying that everyone stays safe, and that we can have a free and peaceful election.
Found this link to prayers for election season:

10 Prayers for a Volatile Election Season - Christianity Today (https://www.christianitytoday.com/2024/09/10-prayers-for-a-volatile-election-season/)

LDAHL
9-27-24, 1:27pm
Actions speak louder than words. You are probably one that has not watched the hearings detailing all the crimes trump has committed. You have, however, taken his imbecilic nastiness of calling people ridiculous names.

I rest my case.

frugal-one
9-27-24, 2:07pm
I rest my case.

And, you did mine!