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gimmethesimplelife
9-16-24, 5:14pm
Just a quick question - given that JD Vance has admitted that "Haitigate" is/was nothing but BS lies from his own imagination, and given that roughly half of the United States seems OK with a VP Candidate lying in such a Nazi Era way - what is your opinion now on the long term viability of US citizenship (I see it as even less viable now) and has your faith in the US political process changed?
I know this is a controversial subject and that many on this board do not share my views. Cut you a deal, OK? Let's all remain civil, shall we? Just scroll on by if any comment(s) offend(s) that much. Rob
iris lilies
9-16-24, 6:09pm
All hoopla about Haitians eating pets is silly of course, and Trump’s statement was stupid, but I caught a number which shocked me: 15,000 Haiti immigrants have been relocated to Springfield Ohio with a population of 60,000. I can’t wrap my head around that 20% population explosion.. Even when my city got Bosnian immigrants we didn’t get that kind of percentage increase.
if you’re a Springfield resident, one in five people you see in your city will be Haiti immigrant. Is such a poor country, I can’t see how they would have the education and skill set to do anything but very low labor jobs.
In my city Bosnians jumped in to the construction trades, coming here with skills and knowledge.This Springfield caper has to be a cultural cluster ****. Who would’ve approved this kind of population influx anyway? I mean, I know Kamala’s regime sent them there, but would the governor and leadership in Springfield have to approve it?
I remember all the hoopla when Ron DeSantis bussed 50 immigrants to Cape Cod. 50. Wow, a little different reaction to this mess in Springfield.
gimmethesimplelife
9-16-24, 6:22pm
All hoopla about Haitians eating pets is silly of course, and Trump’s statement was stupid, but I caught a number which shocked me: 15,000 Haiti immigrants have been relocated to Springfield Ohio with a population of 60,000. I can’t wrap my head around that 20% population explosion.. Even when my city got Bosnian immigrants we didn’t get that kind of percentage increase.
if you’re a Springfield resident, one in five people you see in your city will be Haiti immigrant. Is such a poor country, I can’t see how they would have the education and skill set to do anything but very low labor jobs.
In my city Bosnians jumped in to the construction trades, coming here with skills and knowledge.This has to be a cultural cluster ****. Who would’ve approved this kind of population influx anyway? I mean, I know Camila regime Camila regime there, but with the governor and leadership in Springfield have to approve it?
I remember all the hoopla when Ron DeSantis bussed 50 immigrants to Cape Cod. Wow, a little different reaction to this mess in Springfield.Don't drop dead of shock, IL - but I see your point of perhaps too many migrants (one in four of the town's popuation) vs. available services and housing and jobs. I stand firmly with the Haitian Migrants of Springfield and hope to participate in protests - if I can find time, good luck there - against JD Vance for his Nazi Era behavior - but I also understand that perhaps the migrants could have been spread across a greater area for the reasons I just listed. So I'm not totally against what you have posted, miracles will never cease, will they LOL? Rob
Yes that’s a lot of legal immigrants to the city. But it sounds like there are enough jobs for them. Other places have dealt with rapid influxes. The baken oil fields in the dakotas have caused massive influxes of people requiring that schools be built, etc. but we haven’t heard vitriole about it because most of the people arriving to do oil work there are pasty skinned. The focus is on solving the issues their arrival has created, not on vilifying them with sad baseless accusations like ‘THEY ARE EATING OUR PETS!!!!!!!!!!!!’ That result in ugly bomb threats to schools and hospitals.
littlebittybobby
9-18-24, 12:18pm
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Yes that’s a lot of legal immigrants to the city. But it sounds like there are enough jobs for them. Other places have dealt with rapid influxes. The baken oil fields in the dakotas have caused massive influxes of people requiring that schools be built, etc. but we haven’t heard vitriole about it because most of the people arriving to do oil work there are pasty skinned. The focus is on solving the issues their arrival has created, not on vilifying them with sad baseless accusations like ‘THEY ARE EATING OUR PETS!!!!!!!!!!!!’ That result in ugly bomb threats to schools and hospitals.
The Governor is saying that the majority of the threats are coming from overseas.
The Governor is saying that the majority of the threats are coming from overseas.
Great. So trump and vance's ugly lies are encouraging hate from around the world. If only they were part of a political party that didn't condone such behavior this crap wouldn't happen. But apparently republicans like the whirlwind these douchebags reap.
Great. So trump and vance's ugly lies are encouraging hate from around the world. If only they were part of a political party that didn't condone such behavior this crap wouldn't happen. But apparently republicans like the whirlwind these douchebags reap.
I think it’s more likely they’re coming from Russia, China or Iran than MAGA-minded foreign pen pals. Assisting our two major parties in keeping policy discussions out of our election.
Orange Man is now supposedly going to visit Springfield.
Rumor is that he is coming to Aurora Colorado, too. Aurora is routinely in the news for gun violence. It is a less expensive and newer place to live than other Denver burbs and far enough out on the plains that can be referred to as Saudi aurora. The news has had rumors of cartel run gangs of immigrants, but the mayor has denied rumors of it’s extent spread by right wingers. It does have a lot of refuges, but many good neighborhoods.I’ve had medical appointments there and don’t really like driving around there, but I suspect every big city has something similar or worse. I’ve not heard of any pet eating.
gimmethesimplelife
9-19-24, 4:09pm
Orange Man is now supposedly going to visit Springfield.This has the potential to not go very well. After last Sunday's assassination attempt, you'd think he'd listen to his handlers who MUST know better, but NO, we are talking of DJT here.
Let us pray that no Haitians are killed. Or injured. Rob
Let us pray that no Haitians are killed. Or injured. Rob
What makes you think a campaign visit may result in Haitians's being killed. None of them are running for President are they?
iris lilies
9-19-24, 6:50pm
What makes you think a campaign visit may result in Haitians's being killed. None of them are running for President are they?
Haha, good one.
What makes you think a campaign visit may result in Haitians's being killed. None of them are running for President are they?
I worry about this because many times I have seen him scapegoat others and call for violence. Then his followers respond with violence towards the targets. Like why did he address the Proud Boys, for example--stand down and stand by, wasnt that what he said?
This has the potential to not go very well. After last Sunday's assassination attempt, you'd think he'd listen to his handlers who MUST know better, but NO, we are talking of DJT here.
Let us pray that no Haitians are killed. Or injured. Rob
Considering that he has held rallies in a number of places that are ‘sundown cities’ despite the seeming randomness that he just happened to pick those places for rallies this isn’t surprising. Disappointing, yes, but not surprising sadly.
Considering that he has held rallies in a number of places that are ‘sundown cities’ despite the seeming randomness that he just happened to pick those places for rallies this isn’t surprising. Disappointing, yes, but not surprising sadly.
On "sundown cities", and that part of Ohio.
(Which *used* to be an important part of the Underground Railroad during the Civil War, but, times changed...)
https://www.wosu.org/2023-04-03/were-there-sundown-towns-in-central-ohio
Considering that he has held rallies in a number of places that are ‘sundown cities’ despite the seeming randomness that he just happened to pick those places for rallies this isn’t surprising. Disappointing, yes, but not surprising sadly.
Springfield's racial demographic, not counting the recent influx of Haitians, represents a higher percentage of POC than the national average. I'm not sure how 'sundown cities' has anything to do with a campaign visit scheduled there.
Springfield's racial demographic, not counting the recent influx of Haitians, represents a higher percentage of POC than the national average. I'm not sure how 'sundown cities' has anything to do with a campaign visit scheduled there.
My family is from this region.
Springfield has some history.
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/573057/pdf
Which makes it sort of cool that the residents seem to be welcoming of the new work force that settled in their nearly-dying town and region of Ohio.
My family is from this region.
Springfield has some history.
https://muse.jhu.edu/article/573057/pdf
Which makes it sort of cool that the residents seem to be welcoming of the new work force that settled in their nearly-dying town and region of Ohio.
I've lived fairly nearby for the past 45 years, that area has changed a bit since 1904.
I've lived fairly nearby for the past 45 years, that area has changed a bit since 1904.
It seemed pretty decent in the 60s and 70s too.
But, poor Springfield went astray in the early 1900s, presumably where the presumably-just-historical "sundown town" reference comes from. Glad they got their mojo back.
Springfield's racial demographic, not counting the recent influx of Haitians, represents a higher percentage of POC than the national average. I'm not sure how 'sundown cities' has anything to do with a campaign visit scheduled there.
Of course you don’t. I wouldn’t expect you to understand.
Springfield's racial demographic, not counting the recent influx of Haitians, represents a higher percentage of POC than the national average. I'm not sure how 'sundown cities' has anything to do with a campaign visit scheduled there.
You lack the acute race sensitivity it takes to detect the racism of scheduling rallies in towns that were segregated a century ago.
You lack the acute race sensitivity it takes to detect the racism of scheduling rallies in towns that were segregated a century ago.
LOL, obviously!
You lack the acute race sensitivity it takes to detect the racism of scheduling rallies in towns that were segregated a century ago.
Indeed. Symbolism is an easily denied thing for republicans. Much like the dog whistles they pretend not to hear.
Indeed. Symbolism is an easily denied thing for republicans. Much like the dog whistles they pretend not to hear.
If the symbolism of historic associations is so important to you, why support the party that defended slavery and Jim Crow for all those years?
If the symbolism of historic associations is so important to you, why support the party that defended slavery and Jim Crow for all those years?
Because I understand the difference between symbolism and history.
gimmethesimplelife
9-21-24, 1:18pm
I'm getting worried as the 34 Felony count candidate is threatening to land upon Springfield in the near future. I am worried of some kind of standoff fully the fault of DJT and his henchman. The situation seems ripe for it. I can also say SO and I will be in Mexico for the US elections and a few days afterwards. It's just not a very stable society and the powder keg would not take much to set it off. I just hope no innocent Haitian migrants lose their lives. Rob
Because I understand the difference between symbolism and history.
There’s a direct historical connection between the Democratic Party and the Confederacy, KKK and Jim Crow laws. Concocting some wispy connection between Trump and and the “sundown towns” of many decades ago smacks of the creation of fake outrage over the Steele dossier, Project 2025 or Dan Rather’s “fake but accurate” documents.
For one thing, Trump doesn’t strike me as any kind of student of history. For another, it’s probably impossible to hold an event anywhere in the country, or perhaps even the world, unsullied by racism.
When people talk about “dog whistles”, they’re usually talking about what they like to imagine people they don’t like are thinking.
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