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LDAHL
11-6-24, 11:30am
Once again, the American electorate has managed to shock and surprise me. Trump winning the popular vote by five million votes was not something I expected or particularly wanted. It looks like he did better than anyone seemed to anticipate with Latinos and other groups the Democrats considered inevitably in their column.

Harris didn’t seem to run an especially bad campaign, nor Trump an especially compelling one. She had something like three times the money and an abjectly servile media supporting her. So what happened? Was it the Biden coverup? The economy? Mistrust of all the position changes? Misogyny and racism are always a possible explanation in some quarters, so I expect to hear that a lot.

I imagine we’ll see more lawfare in the near future. Jack Smith will probably be getting a pink slip. Given what we know so far in the House and Senate, impeachment doesn’t seem to be in the cards for the first couple of years. What I don’t see are concentration camps and military repression.

Tradd
11-6-24, 11:36am
I think Grandpa Joe waited too long to get out of the way. Trump seems to have a better grasp of new forms of media. He went on a ton of podcasts. Kamala only did two, that were aimed at women. Dave Ramsey had invited her for a sit down interview. She refused. Trump didn't. But most of all, "it's the economy, stupid."

Rogar
11-6-24, 11:43am
Harris didn’t seem to run an especially bad campaign, nor Trump an especially compelling one. She had something like three times the money and an abjectly servile media supporting her. So what happened? Was it the Biden coverup? The economy? Mistrust of all the position changes? Misogyny and racism are always a possible explanation in some quarters, so I expect to hear that a lot.

Could be any or all, but I'm putting some ownness on Biden. It was a last minute scramble to put a campaign together and find a person to run when he backed out at such a late date. Humble opinion that he also had a missed opportunity over the border issues. It was plain to me that it was getting out of control, and he had the power to do something about it. Trump ran pretty hard on immigration.

I see the U.S. stocks are up today thinking he will bolster the U.S. economy. I'm pretty much in the fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a wild ride mentality. There are not many checks and balances left in the system. Maybe his base will get the cheap gas they wish for.

It's interesting that the national debt hasn't been brought up much in the campaign for either, but I see bonds prices are anticipated more government borrowing.

littlebittybobby
11-6-24, 12:09pm
okay-----you kids are over-analyzing the sit-chu-ayshun. But yeah---it's almost like a mooo-vvvee, only not a hollyweird one. All-American Trump(the main character) got persecuted, prosecuted, and shot-at. His Pseudo-American opponent was a ditsy opportunistic space case, and her supporters a bunch of obnoxious delusional wackos. T's supporters are patriots from the Heartland. So, anyway----that's why Trump won. Note that Trump Triumphs. See? Pretty obvious. Hope that helps you kids some. Thankk mee.

iris lilies
11-6-24, 12:10pm
Could be any or all, but I'm putting some ownness on Biden. It was a last minute scramble to put a campaign together and find a person to run when he backed out at such a late date. Humble opinion that he also had a missed opportunity over the border issues. It was plain to me that it was getting out of control, and he had the power to do something about it. Trump ran pretty hard on immigration.

I see the U.S. stocks are up today thinking he will bolster the U.S. economy. I'm pretty much in the fasten your seat belts, it's going to be a wild ride mentality. There are not many checks and balances left in the system. Maybe his base will get the cheap gas they wish for.

It's interesting that the national debt hasn't been brought up much in the campaign for either, but I see bonds prices are anticipated more government borrowing.

Yes, Fk old man Biden. I STILL feel personally betrayed because I was willing to ignore video clips of his mental gaffes and shuffling ambulation up until July 13 when we simply could no longer ignore it.

And the syncophants (there’s your new word, Roger) who urged him to stay in office by
cheering him on for “answering every question!!!” need to examine their own role in this election loss.

As if that will ever happen…

Rogar
11-6-24, 1:05pm
One can point fingers at the dems, but Harris really wasn't all that bad. Trump is a chronic liar, a criminal, a bully, a climate denier, most likely racist and sexist, and has promoted the concept of him becoming some sort of all powerful ruler some called a fascist. And who has promised to put a chronic conspiracy theorist in charge of public health in some manner or another. There is something wrong with the picture of a country who would elect such a person in exchange for the promise of cheap gas or what over other material benefits with half empty promises. That's the other side of the blame equation. As a friend said, this isn't the country I thought I lived in.

Tradd
11-6-24, 1:20pm
I think a lot of people voted against Biden/Harris instead of for Harris or for Trump. Biden was always extremely unpopular. This isn’t just about cheap gas. Rents have really gone up, food costs have gone up 40% since 2021, from one figure I heard last night. New car prices have been crazy. Inflation might have come down, but a lot of people are still feeling the pinch. I think a lot of us here don’t struggle much.

it really is “the economy, stupid.”

iris lilies
11-6-24, 1:24pm
One can point fingers at the dems, but Harris really wasn't all that bad. Trump is a chronic liar, a criminal, a bully, a climate denier, most likely racist and sexist, and has promoted the concept of him becoming some sort of all powerful ruler some called a fascist. And who has promised to put a chronic conspiracy theorist in charge of public health in some manner or another. There is something wrong with the picture of a country who would elect such a person in exchange for the promise of cheap gas or what over other material benefits with half empty promises. That's the other side of the blame equation. As a friend said, this isn't the country I thought I lived in.

I agree that Harris isn’t all that bad. So much better than Biden simply because she isn’t ancient. Unfortunately, she has so much of the baggage of her party following her around, much of which she has to support.

iris lilies
11-6-24, 1:31pm
Chappelle and Rock hit it out of the park on SNL…Deja vu’

If you don’t want to watch the entire thing, just skip to the end at 4:22.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc&pp=ygUgU25sIGVsZWN0aW9uIG5pZ2h0IHNob3J0IHZlcnNpb24 %3D


catherine, there is a little Easter Egg for you
Vermonters early on.

frugal-one
11-6-24, 1:39pm
Yes, Fk old man Biden. I STILL feel personally betrayed because I was willing to ignore video clips of his mental gaffes and shuffling ambulation up until July 13 when we simply could no longer ignore it.

And the syncophants (there’s your new word, Roger) who urged him to stay in office by
cheering him on for “answering every question!!!” need to examine their own role in this election loss.

As if that will ever happen…

Have you seen the gibberish trump has spewed? I’ve seen trump stumble and have physical and verbal difficulties. Neither old man should have run. I fear trump and his maga right wing conspiratorial theories. Also, he has no moral compass. I truly wish I had the opportunity to leave the country.

catherine
11-6-24, 1:52pm
Chappelle and Rock hit it out of the park on SNL…Deja vu’

If you don’t want to watch the entire thing, just skip to the end at 4:22.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc&pp=ygUgU25sIGVsZWN0aW9uIG5pZ2h0IHNob3J0IHZlcnNpb24 %3D


catherine, there is a little Easter Egg for you
Vermonters early on.

OMG.. .that as unbelievable deja vu!!! So funny!!! The more things change, the more they stay the same. And, yes, thank you for the nod to Vermont. Always projected early. Always blue. Always good for a big 3 electoral votes.

iris lilies
11-6-24, 1:58pm
Have you seen the gibberish trump has spewed? I’ve seen trump stumble and have physical and verbal difficulties. Neither old man should have run. I fear trump and his maga right wing conspiratorial theories. Also, he has no moral compass. I truly wish I had the opportunity to leave the country.

“Neither old man should have run.”

yes, agreed.

catherine
11-6-24, 2:16pm
Here is my brain dump analysis of how Trump managed to defy expectations and get himself elected again.
The slow, impossible start for Biden and ultimate late bow-out
The lack of presence of Kamala out there as VP until her shotgun candidacy for president
Campaign strategists' working the whole country into well-defined corners like a boxing ring: rural vs city; Coastal vs Middle America; Male vs female; Elite vs working class; wealthy vs struggling
Donald Trump is a moral failure but a genius at showmanship
Donald Trump appealed to fears about the future of the country while Kamala's message of "not going back" primarily resonated with women (but not all women).
Uncertainty is a hugely motivating factor in this election; people voted for "more of the same" even if "the same" is uncertain as ever.
I would guess that a fairly substantial number of males specifically do not want a female president. We've still got that. Even though Kamala may have not been the strongest or most charismatic female candidate, I know that many men voted against "a woman" which was more compelling than voting "against Trump" as some of us did.



Just MHO. Those are not in order. I think the country this time around was like the kid who says they're grown up and want autonomy and freedom but secretly are looking for protection from change and financial insecurity. I think that word "protection" has come up in recent speeches.

Also, "freedom" as defined very differently by the two different parties. The GOP version won.

frugal-one
11-6-24, 2:17pm
Yeah, protect women if the want it or not! Shows how the country will be run.

iris lilies
11-6-24, 2:21pm
And I really hate how the stock markets have reacted today to this Trump victory.

/sarcasm

catherine
11-6-24, 2:27pm
And I really hate how the stock markets have reacted today to this Trump victory.

/sarcasm

Yup. Money "trumps" everything.

littlebittybobby
11-6-24, 2:46pm
okay----i already told you kids ta quit analyzing the election. I gave you all THE definitive reason. Yup. So quit it. Case Closed. Game over. That settles it. Y'know---another issue on the zurra ballot was #3 or whatever. It would've amended the Zurra constitution to restore legal 'bortionizms. A resumption of zillions and trillions of cuuuutle little babies being mercilessly slaughtered, like pigs up in iwah, evry day, 'cordin' to the Church People. Yup. The amendment supposedly also would've aggravated the severe grandkid shortage the church people are having to endure. So anyway, I voted "heck yes" on # three. Yup. The proposal passed, and that's good. This way---fanaticrats can now get as many abortions as they want, which hopefully will lead to an overall reduction in fanaticrats. And yeah---the church people still retain the right to NOT have an abortionism, even if the ultrasound shows the fetus is a three-headed brachycephalic with no limbs. The mommy can bring the cuuuute little baby to term, and show it off in church on Sundy mornin'. America, the land o' the free!! Hope that helps you some.

LDAHL
11-6-24, 2:53pm
Chappelle and Rock hit it out of the park on SNL…Deja vu’

If you don’t want to watch the entire thing, just skip to the end at 4:22.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc&pp=ygUgU25sIGVsZWN0aW9uIG5pZ2h0IHNob3J0IHZlcnNpb24 %3D


catherine, there is a little Easter Egg for you
Vermonters early on.

Remarkably similar to last night’s MSNBC coverage.

iris lilies
11-6-24, 3:02pm
Remarkably similar to last night’s MSNBC coverage.

I believe it!

I didn’t watch news video, just checked text sources every couple of hours. I couldn’t stomach their ongoing blather.

Rogar
11-6-24, 4:08pm
And I really hate how the stock markets have reacted today to this Trump victory.

/sarcasm

I recall the term Trumpbump from another election. I see Tesla stock is up. It would seem like Elon would be looking at some conflict of interest issues.

iris lilies
11-6-24, 5:08pm
Remarkably similar to last night’s MSNBC coverage.
Fox News is showing social media posts from Hollywood types who go off railing at Americans and America, and then delete their posts. In some cases delete their account.

I think they are Big Mad.

LDAHL
11-6-24, 5:12pm
I see five protesters got arrested in Seattle. Don’t know if it was election related or just another Tuesday. Didn’t see any tanks in my street this morning, but they’re often late with the snowplowing too. Maybe they got stuck behind the refugee caravans heading for Canada.

frugal-one
11-6-24, 5:20pm
And I really hate how the stock markets have reacted today to this Trump victory.

/sarcasm

Look how it has done under Biden. /snark

frugal-one
11-6-24, 5:23pm
I see five protesters got arrested in Seattle. Don’t know if it was election related or just another Tuesday. Didn’t see any tanks in my street this morning, but they’re often late with the snowplowing too. Maybe they got stuck behind the refugee caravans heading for Canada.

I'd jump on that caravan if they would let me. I just hope a year from now... I can't say I told you so.

iris lilies
11-6-24, 5:25pm
I'd jump on that caravan if they would let me. I just hope a year from now... I can't say I told you so.


I think a year from now you’ll see what you want to see whether reality or not.

early morning
11-6-24, 5:43pm
And many will not see what they wish to ignore. Reality or not. Humans have a great capacity for self-delusion. But the reality is, we are in dangerous territory here.

iris lilies
11-6-24, 7:53pm
And many will not see what they wish to ignore. Reality or not. Humans have a great capacity for self-delusion. But the reality is, we are in dangerous territory here.

it is damned near impossible to figure out what REALLY goes on in the higher echelons of the Federal government, I mean, as a whole. There are too many moving parts for me to follow, and even when smart people other than me can’t agree on the consequences of one particular action, how am I to know that I am right?

That said,it is a good idea to keep an eye on our politicians esp Donald. But let us remember that Old Joe in the White House promised to be a one term President and look how hard it was to get him out. He is just another power hungry liar who lies.

iris lilies
11-6-24, 8:22pm
https://www.nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/rachel-maddow-worried-trump-could-send-her-to-internment-camp-if-elected-president-again-donald-biden-2024-white-house-msnbc-liberal-cnn-news-network-cable-coverage-journalist-commentator-camps-scared-worry

apparently this is for real? Rachel Maddow actually said she fears Trump will send her to a camp, a reeducation camp?

if this is what respected news people on mainstream media are spouting, I guess I can understand why reality is problematic for some folks.

I would suggest disengaging from Rachel et al for a bit.

Rogar
11-6-24, 9:03pm
https://www.nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/rachel-maddow-worried-trump-could-send-her-to-internment-camp-if-elected-president-again-donald-biden-2024-white-house-msnbc-liberal-cnn-news-network-cable-coverage-journalist-commentator-camps-scared-worry

apparently this is for real? Rachel Maddow actually said she fears Trump center to a camp, a reeducation camp?

if this is what respected news people on mainstream media are spouting, I guess I can understand why reality is problematic for some folks.

I would suggest disengaging from Rachel et al for a bit.

I don't think she should worry too much. I did not see her name on the long list of his enemies that he would like to prosecute for treason or otherwise be locked up for no obvious reason. I think it was the illegals he talked about putting into camps, anyway.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/06/trump-retribution-enemy-list-00187725

LDAHL
11-7-24, 12:30pm
https://www.nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/rachel-maddow-worried-trump-could-send-her-to-internment-camp-if-elected-president-again-donald-biden-2024-white-house-msnbc-liberal-cnn-news-network-cable-coverage-journalist-commentator-camps-scared-worry

apparently this is for real? Rachel Maddow actually said she fears Trump center to a camp, a reeducation camp?

if this is what respected news people on mainstream media are spouting, I guess I can understand why reality is problematic for some folks.

I would suggest disengaging from Rachel et al for a bit.

It’s an odd form of self-flattery to imagine yourself to be the nemesis of some designated villain. I can remember people being offended when they didn’t appear on Nixon’s enemies list or Obama’s snitch line database.

I doubt that MSNBC exercises much more influence than the Golf Channel or the Game Show Network.

LDAHL
11-7-24, 12:36pm
I don't think she should worry too much. I did not see her name on the long list of his enemies that he would like to prosecute for treason or otherwise be locked up for no obvious reason. I think it was the illegals he talked about putting into camps, anyway.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/11/06/trump-retribution-enemy-list-00187725

Looks like Politico helpfully compiled a list for the President-Elect. If someone had followed me around for several years noting everyone who ticked me off, it would be pretty lengthy.

frugal-one
11-7-24, 5:56pm
I think a year from now you’ll see what you want to see whether reality or not.

I think you are wrong. You are the one who does not often face or read about reality. What I hope happens, however, is that I cannot say I told you so.

iris lilies
11-7-24, 8:50pm
I think you are wrong. You are the one who does not often face or read about reality. What I hope happens, however, is that I cannot say I told you so.
Oh, I absolutely expect you to say “I told you so” because your interpretation of events and issues are not mine.

frugal-one
11-9-24, 8:24am
https://www.nbcmontana.com/news/nation-world/rachel-maddow-worried-trump-could-send-her-to-internment-camp-if-elected-president-again-donald-biden-2024-white-house-msnbc-liberal-cnn-news-network-cable-coverage-journalist-commentator-camps-scared-worry

apparently this is for real? Rachel Maddow actually said she fears Trump will send her to a camp, a reeducation camp?

if this is what respected news people on mainstream media are spouting, I guess I can understand why reality is problematic for some folks.

I would suggest disengaging from Rachel et al for a bit.

You doubt media is going to be silenced? I don’t for a second. trump said repeatedly he would round up “the enemies from within”.

frugal-one
11-9-24, 8:30am
Oh, I absolutely expect you to say “I told you so” because your interpretation of events and issues are not mine.

You only listen to what you want to hear…

iris lilies
11-9-24, 8:36am
You doubt media is going to be silenced? I don’t for a second. trump said repeatedly he would round up “the enemies from within”.

Do you believe literally that Rachel Maddow will be sent to some sort of camp/facility against her will ?

I don’t. But there are ways of coercing news media that are more subtle, yes, agreed and silencing them is abhorrent even if their constant news stories that are anti- Trump are tiring and somewhat responsible for getting him elected.

LDAHL
11-9-24, 1:20pm
Silence the media? Who was it who set up a snitch line to report critics of President Obama? Who attempted to set up a Disinformation Governance Board? Who used the FBI to jawbone social media platforms to quash stories they found inconvenient? Who covered up President Biden’s decline until it became tragically obvious?

iris lilies
11-9-24, 2:55pm
Silence the media? Who was it who set up a snitch line to report critics of President Obama? Who attempted to set up a Disinformation Governance Board? Who used the FBI to jawbone social media platforms to quash stories they found inconvenient? Who covered up President Biden’s decline until it became tragically obvious?

Ah yes, the fearmongering and intimidation of our Democratic leaders. The little IRS bureaucrats who focused on unfriendly-to-Obama tax returns. The intense pressure put on social media sites for suppressing information the Biden government does not like, enough to lead to congressional hearings. And the latest little bureaucratic intimidation: picking who gets FEMA relief and who doesn’t based on yard signs of Political support:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/08/politics/fema-employee-trump-florida-hurricane/index.html

At least this Democratic Party operative was fired, not celebrated.

Joe Biden can send chilling messages with the best of them, he just doesn’t shout it at every rally and podium like idiot Trump. Sneaky more like.