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It’s amazing to me how Iran’s strategic position has deteriorated over the last year or two. Their proxies in Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen have been decimated. The Assad regime has fallen. Major missile and drone attacks against Israel have been abject failures. They still haven’t recovered from the Israeli attacks of last fall that severely degraded their air defense capabilities. Now we seem to be seeing the beginning of a campaign that could set their nuclear weapons program back for years.
If the Israelis continue to perform this brilliantly, Donald Trump will try to claim the credit.
frugal-one
6-13-25, 9:01pm
Idiot trump is spouting his mouth again! He’s getting us involved where we don’t need to be IMO.
Iran has needed to go the way of the dodo since 1979. Good riddance to bad garbage. I wish Israel joy of destroying Iran.
I was in high school during the Iranian Revolution of 1978/79. We had two sisters attending my small boarding school, from Iran, daughters of a Highly Placed Official in the Shah's government. Their father was executed by the new regime.
President Carter ordered the deportation of some Iranians who were in the US, including students. ICE or whatever it was called then was checking up on many of the individuals. Deportation might well have led to death.
My school hid the two girls for a period of time, until better accomodations could be arranged for them.
They are still alive.
littlebittybobby
6-14-25, 1:40am
okay--izzy wants to gain lebensraum--land and resources. So yeah--the objective is to conquer the Fertile Crescent which has the resources. But, Izzy has to be cagey and do it, little by little. They can't just stage an invasion, like old whats-his-name did up in Europe 90 years ago, & failed. No, they gotta play it smart, by vilifying the moslem countries. See? so yeah---iran, just like summa the other countries, has to be made harmless to the cause. It might take awhile, but thats the way it works. hope that helps you some.
So now B-2s have made the 37 hour round trip from Knob Koster, MO to Iran to strike at hardened nuclear facilities. The subsequent Iranian strike against a US base in Qatar seems to have inflicted no casualties, and may have been meant as a quick face-saving action. They have also threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz.
While I find Trump’s chest-thumping unseemly, I do like to see Iran’s ability to cause harm in the world being degraded. Some worry about escalation, but these people have already been killing Americans for forty years.
The usual suspects are expressing outrage, but as long as we don’t follow up with another regime change exercise I think the move will make the world a better place.
I’m delighted to see Iran getting its butt handed to it. That’s been needed for decades.
iris lilies
6-23-25, 7:52pm
if indeed this knocks out Iran’s ability for nuclear capability for some decades, that is great. If it turns out there are no bigger consequences than what we’ve seen as of this evening, that is even greater. Consequences remain to be seen however despite Trump’s declaration of an agreement between Iran and
Israel.
iris lilies
6-23-25, 7:59pm
So now B-2s have made the 37 hour round trip from Knob Koster, MO to Iran to strike at hardened nuclear facilities. The subsequent Iranian strike against a US base in Qatar seems to have inflicted no casualties, and may have been meant as a quick face-saving action. They have also threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz.
While I find Trump’s chest-thumping unseemly, I do like to see Iran’s ability to cause harm in the world being degraded. Some worry about escalation, but these people have already been killing Americans for forty years.
The usual suspects are expressing outrage, but as long as we don’t follow up with another regime change exercise I think the move will make the world a better place.
Our state of Missouri’s Governor made a big deal welcoming back the stealth bombers. I am so dumb, I didn’t realize it was a stealth that carried out this mission. The stealths used to perform airplay in the St. Louis airshow every year. I honestly didn’t realize there was only one place they lived and that’s near me.
the little voices on Reddit are concerned that our governor “exposed “where the bombers lived because the little voices think that will make us more of a target in a war. Well, their presence might indeed make us more of a target, but there is no secret to our friends and foes where these bombers live.
frugal-one
6-24-25, 2:35pm
Anyone care that Congress was not consulted?
Anyone care that Congress was not consulted?
No. Do you recall whether or not Congress was consulted prior to the 25,000 plus missiles a recent Democratic administration fired at overseas targets during its reign? Is it (D)ifferent when someone you like does it opposed to someone you don't like?
littlebittybobby
6-24-25, 6:21pm
okay----i'm just sitting here, thinkin' o' how much jet fuel and stuff was burned up, going from Zurra ta the targets in iran and back! plus, the cost o' the bombs. plus, everything else. i figure it was all for show, to please the redneck zionisst element, anyway, and that those "nucular"(per bush ii) sites really were intended for electric power generation, not weapons. Yup. if izzreal needs to defend itself from countries that're their (ideological) enemy, well let them do it! but yeah----the middle east is a money pit for this country, and we don't need their oil, anyhow! That issue is western europe's problem and i think japan, also. I say stop bullying other countries! Yup. Thank mee.
I was thinking similar. I wonder if DOGE knew about this. A single Tomahawk costs 1.6 million. Fake news is reporting that the damage set the nuclear program back just a few months and nuclear material may have been moved before the bombs. In the end it's probably mostly a show of power anyway.
BBC verify seems to think it was legal without congressional approval as long as it doesn't constitute actual war, whatever that defines.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gkw04yze1o
BBC verify seems to think it was legal without congressional approval as long as it doesn't constitute actual war, whatever that defines.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gkw04yze1o
Neither the Vietnam nor Korean military actions were declared as war. The Korean war was declared to be a 'police action' and the Vietnam war was simply a 'conflict'. As a matter of fact, the US has only been involved in 5 declared wars although we have engaged in 137 conflicts/police actions and 469 military interventions (with 251 of those interventions since 1992), some of which were authorized by Congress while others were not. Our last formal declaration of war was in 1942.
All the current talk of the need for congressional approval for the current situation is only happening because Democrats must resist since everyone knows 'Orange Man Is Bad' ™
There is "The War Powers Resolution" passed by Congress, but it doesn't seem to carry much weight or has vague wording. It doesn't exactly grant the president authority to do what ever he or she might want without Congress, but past presidents don't seem to care much.
early morning
6-25-25, 11:12am
All the current talk of the need for congressional approval for the current situation is only happening because Democrats must resist since everyone knows 'Orange Man Is Bad' ™ LOL. Yeah, the PAST talk of the need for congressional approval was only happening because Republicans had to resist since everyone knew the Black man was bad. The whole "police action" / "military action" as NON war and thus outside of Congressional approval is ridiculous, and needs revisited. If Congress WANTS that power, they need to argue their case and put some teeth into legislation, and then need to back that up. Which, IMHO, is not going to happen, no matter which party is in power at a given time.
LOL. Yeah, the PAST talk of the need for congressional approval was only happening because Republicans had to resist since everyone knew the Black man was bad.
Yes, I can't think of many things worse than the nonsensically entertaining way the vast majority of citizens, as well as our elected representatives, adopt an US vs THEM mentality regarding the rule of law, public governance and social interactions. If we as a nation want to restrict our Commander In Chief's military response to a perceived threat, the law should make that clear and all sides of the debate should adhere to it. If we think that a law should only apply to the "other side" we should understand that our opinions are not worthy of others consideration.
Right now we seem to be a severely divided nation politically, which makes strict adherence to the rule of law all the more important in order to maintain a civil society. If we're against something when someone else does it, we also need to be against that same something when our side does it.
In this particular incident, I agree with the President's actions. Incidentally, I also agreed with actions taken by Obama (or "the black man" for those who think all opposition boils down to race) during his assault against bad actors and their infrastructure during his administration.
Yes, I can't think of many things worse than the nonsensically entertaining way the vast majority of citizens, as well as our elected representatives, adopt an US vs THEM mentality regarding the rule of law, public governance and social interactions. If we as a nation want to restrict our Commander In Chief's military response to a perceived threat, the law should make that clear and all sides of the debate should adhere to it. If we think that a law should only apply to the "other side" we should understand that our opinions are not worthy of others consideration.
Right now we seem to be a severely divided nation politically, which makes strict adherence to the rule of law all the more important in order to maintain a civil society. If we're against something when someone else does it, we also need to be against that same something when our side does it.
In this particular incident, I agree with the President's actions. Incidentally, I also agreed with actions taken by Obama (or "the black man" for those who think all opposition boils down to race) during his assault against bad actors and their infrastructure during his administration.
I think you’re right that mindless whataboutism is one reason our politics have become so stupid and dishonest. Saying the other side does it too isn’t really an argument that a bad practice isn’t a bad practice.
Racial essentialism is another pathology that makes discussion difficult. Simply dismissing a criticism as racist because of who you’re criticizing just substitutes insult for argument.
I see this morning that Iran is declaring victory, having delivered “a hard slap” to the United States.
I see this morning that Iran is declaring victory, having delivered “a hard slap” to the United States.
And in the mean time the White House continues to claim total decimation of their nuclear facilities, despite other evidence form the Pentagon. Victory all around.
iris lilies
6-26-25, 11:34am
And in the mean time the White House continues to claim total decimation of their nuclear facilities, despite other evidence form the Pentagon. Victory all around.
I get Baghdad Bob vibes from both of them.
I hope we DID do major damage to Iran’s nuclear capability but do not trust that we did.
Anyone care that Congress was not consulted?
Congress abandoned its Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 sole power to declare war decades ago.
Congress has abandoned a lot of its powers and responsibilities over the decades.
Useless.
Congress abandoned its Article I, Section 8, Clause 11 sole power to declare war decades ago.
Congress has abandoned a lot of its powers and responsibilities over the decades.
Useless.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/28/us/supreme-court-trump-executive-branch-power.html
The New York Times instructs us that it’s all the Republicans’ fault. But they also wanted us to know that the strike on Iran was just a scratch.
gimmethesimplelife
7-3-25, 7:12pm
Though I believe that Iran is far from innocent, so are all the other players here and I include Israel in this - parts of Tehran are beautiful and it is faced by Austrian-like mountains. Incredible rugs are woven there. My point? Human beings beyond Islam/politics live there. I wish more people understood this. But I will also add that after 1980's Iran Hostage Crisis that sunk Jimmy Carter, I don't care for Iran having nuclear weapons, either. Rob
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