I need your thoughts again--this time on Spirituality

[catherine]

My next chapter will be spirituality (in a very broad sense) and the role it has in a good, simple slow life.

My questions are:


What does "spirituality" mean to you? (Again--very broad interpretation, even if you are an atheist, you may have a sense of awe that you would think of as spiritual, or you may have a spiritual connection with nature.)
How does spirituality manifest itself in your life?
How do you exercise your spiritual muscles and/or practice your religion
Tell me about your spiritual journey. How were you influenced by family; at what points did you change your thinking or the way you practice?
Are you still seeking in any way, or are you comfortable with where you've landed?


Thank you! Your input so far has been super helpful in my writing project.

[happystuff]

Wow! Talk about a loaded set of questions! lol. I wouldn't know where to begin! And I certainly don't know where - if ever - it will end. (spirituality, that is)

Need to think about this.

[catherine]

Wow! Talk about a loaded set of questions! lol. I wouldn't know where to begin! And I certainly don't know where - if ever - it will end. (spirituality, that is)

Need to think about this.

Yes, I'd love to hear your perspectives, happystuff!

[bae]

1: For me, "spirituality" means a search for meaning and connection to something larger than myself. Something that transcends the individual, and that is enduring.

2: At present, by design, I live a calm life in a forest, and spend much of my time in the forest and along the shoreline and on the ocean. I observe and interact on a regular basis with individual animals that share this ecosystem. I have a long-standing relationship with some ravens here, who accompany me on my walks quite often. "Frank" the seagull will hop along beside me on the beach (he is an outcast who lives alone, isolated from the flock here). "Jonathan" is a completely dorky blue heron, who remains separate from the other ~2 dozen herons that dwell beside another beach, and he now lets me walk right up to him and chat. I can't even count the deer I can individually identify, many of them will stand beside me as I am clearing underbrush from around my house (for fire protection) and happily chomp away on the material I am bringing within reach for them, though I could just as easily bean them on the head with my axe and have dinner... I can identify most of the resident Orca whales here by sight, and when I am out on the water in various boats, the same handful of young ones will come over from the pod and hang out around my boat for half an hour or so - clearly they identify the boat, and enjoy playing with it.

3: See above. Mostly be remaining calm, observant, and spending as much time in nature as I can.

4: I was raised Catholic. That ended in a disaster involving two factors:

- my Father realizing he was gay, and there was no place in the Church for him
- one of our local priests being quite vile in their behaviour towards young boys in the Church, including myself. I was an altar boy... If I were not a relatively kind and forgiving person, well, there'd be a lot fewer Catholic churches around...

I escaped from Catholicism into Taoism, as, entirely by chance, I found a Chinese martial artist teaching in the park near my home in the state/city we moved to after the Catholic Thing blew up. I learned a Taoist martial art from him, and practice it daily to this very day. I found the spiritual concepts of Taoism quite soothing.

Once I moved up here to this remote forested island, I moved more into my current phase. I've sort of gotten back in touch with the pre-Christian religious practices of my northern European ancestors over the years, and if I have to tell anyone a name for my religion, I simply say "pagan". I have some various items of early Germanic religion that I use as our family "gods". It is not entirely by accident that my daughter grew up to be a professor of Anglo-Saxon/Norse/Celtic studies...

5: Every day is a new adventure. I think you always have to be open to new inspiration.

[catherine]

Thank you, bae. This is great.

[iris lilies]

Bae, your father missed the obvious place for him in the Catholic Church: the priesthood.

/sarcasm

[littlebittybobby]

okay----i tell you what----my thoughts are on how to make a good dollar on putting food on the table of every man, woman, and child on the planet. yup. so, what i had in mind, was ta raise the bar in IWAH, the Meat State, acquire some farm ground wsaaaay out in the middle o' nowhere, build Gi-normous sheds capped with tin, and raise Capybaras for MEAT. (see photo). I'm talking maybe 10 or 15 thousand head o' Capybara finished and sent to slaughter per shed per year. Yup. Besides food on the table, this will provide JOBS for hard-working IWANS. Yup. Plus money in my pocket. Hope that helps you some. Yup.6430

[flowerseverywhere]

Bae, your father missed the obvious place for him in the Catholic Church: the priesthood.

/sarcasm

gay does not mean pedophile

[ToomuchStuff]

No gay and pedo are not the same things, but there is a very famous interview/debate between a gay priest and Monty Python when the life of Brian came out (the priest did not).

[iris lilies]

gay does not mean pedophile
Of course it doesn’t, but there are a lot of gay priests. They aren’t supposed to be, but they are.

[rosarugosa]

I don't usually think of it in those terms, but I guess you could say that I find my spirituality in nature. I think connection with and protection of the natural world is something essential and much bigger than myself. I have a certain awe and reverence for nature, so in a sense, that is something sacred to me.

My mother came from a Catholic background and my father from a protestant background. His side of the family is crazy religious (IMHO) although he was not. Mom's side was more typically Catholic, not so strongly religious. Both my parents had a strong belief in a Christian god but not much of a strong church affiliation. I went to Catholic church and Sunday school from about ages 6 - 11. When I was 11, our teacher asked us to write an essay proving there was a god, and that was the first time I gave the matter really deep thought. I concluded that there was really no good reason to believe in a god, wrote an essay outlining my conclusions, and left the church at that point. My parents were open-minded enough to let me make these choices for myself, and I remember that I had to let my teacher know that I would no longer be attending CCD classes because that was the courteous thing to do. I'm very satisfied with where I've landed, and I've seen nothing in the subsequent 56 years to make me question the conclusions reached by my 11 YO self.

[ToomuchStuff]

I connect spirituality to religion, and the feeling to justify one's self as better then others, based on my experiences. That's number 1.

2. By having others tell me I am going to hell. Everything from my mom and her church friends proselytizing to me (and my retorts mom doesn't need my medical information, because she has faith).
3. I am agnostic. I would like to think there is life after death, and my grandfather looked out for me as a young kid to teen, because he was in my earliest memory, which was my happy place.
4. Everything from my parents fighting as a kid and grandmother getting involved, trying to get me to choose one church over another, to finding out how many different religions were in my other grandfathers side of the family, and the fighting that related to that, to being told by family I never met (great aunt), that I reminded her of two rapists in the family (well one was a rapist, that owned my biological great grandmother, until he got her pregnant and dropped her off at some convent thingy) and that I am evil and should just die, from her deathbed. (so I am either a soulless bastard. or have an evil soul)
5. Why should I seek this?

[catherine]

Thank you, rosa, and TMS. I appreciate your contributing your thoughts on this, as an atheist and agnostic. Interesting, the different approaches your families took towards accepting your views.

[pinkytoe]

I was raised as a Catholic and attended parochial schools until 4th grade. I think the only positive thing that came from that was that I developed a strong sense of empathy. Do unto others. Guilt is also in there - who can forget Friday night confession? All the other teachings faded away over time though it probably provided a moral base that many kids don't get today. I don't think of it as spirituality but as an old human I am completely awed by the natural world. It makes total sense to me and lifts me up whereas religion seems like stories we have made up over time to explain the mysteries of being here. It creates strife and apparently wars. I am good with where my thoughts are now.

[catherine]

Thanks, pinkytoe. Wow, a lot of ex-Catholics here!

[happystuff]

My questions are:


What does "spirituality" mean to you? (Again--very broad interpretation, even if you are an atheist, you may have a sense of awe that you would think of as spiritual, or you may have a spiritual connection with nature.)
How does spirituality manifest itself in your life?
How do you exercise your spiritual muscles and/or practice your religion
Tell me about your spiritual journey. How were you influenced by family; at what points did you change your thinking or the way you practice?
Are you still seeking in any way, or are you comfortable with where you've landed?


1. To me, spirituality is that "spirit/essence/etc" within myself that is part of the make-up of who I am and who I may become. It has connections to my emotions, intellect, wants, desires, happiness, despair... basically it is entwined with the rest of my entire being/existence. It is ever-changing based on "me" (my thoughts, my actions, etc.). I am forever exploring it and/or how much control I have over it.

2. As I like to think my spirituality is focused and driven towards "good", I am striving to have it manifest as not a second nature, but as a first nature. I think I have quite a ways to go with this. LOL.

3. Outward practice includes morning prayer sessions (online with others from my temple), weekly class (same), monthly teachings (same) and reading. Inward practice is both analytical and one-point meditations and just trying to choose happiness, kindness and compassion as my predominate attitudes. I like to think I am getting better at quickly recognizing anger or frustration and turning it around to a more positive emotion. For example, frustration from missing the end of a movie I just spent 2.5 hours watching because the puppy rang the bell to go outside. Silly for me to feel that way about a movie when I KNOW the puppy is definitely the priority! Foolish me!

4. I was raised strict Roman Catholic - mass in Latin back then. I went the route of being baptised, confirmed, holy communion, etc. Attended CCD - including two weeks every summer taught by nuns. Eventually taught Sunday school. Then late 70's, when folk masses became a thing, my siblings and I were in church practicing for Sunday's folk mass. One priest was very contrary and I still remember what he said to my older sister: "You don't get to have an opinion about anything until you are 18!".

As for change in thinking, I feel it was gradual and continuous from before I even realized I was actually "questioning". I was always attracted to Native American philosophies and beliefs, as well as many nature-based philosophies. I can never remember a time when my mother was not supportive of alternative beliefs and religions, so there was always encouragement. Then, when my son died, I found no comfort at all in any of the paths of Christianity (was protestant at the time). A friend gifted me attendance to a live teaching by the Dalai Lama that same year and I discovered that a lot of the beliefs I held were actually found in Buddhism.

5. Absolutely still seeking! I view my spirituality as part of myself - to be continually studied, developed and used. Buddhism is sometimes viewed as both a religion and a philosophy. As with most religions, you get out of it what you put into it. I have so much to learn still, but am definitely happy with how far I have come.

That's probably about all worth sharing.

Good luck with it all, catherine!

[catherine]

Great stuff, happystuff! Thank you.

As you know, I dabbled in Buddhism, and still have deep respect for it... hence, my avatar on this site, which is calligraphy by Thich Nhat Hanh. But I never joined a temple.

[HappyHiker]

For me, it's always been a deep and sweet connection with nature..our "Mother" that provides calmness and solace. Not raised in any particular religious orientation, I've found my own way through feminism groups, the Crone movement, being quiet and still in nature--and yes, feeling awe among the old trees and plants of woodland and forest.

I rather despise dogma and think/feel that most organized religion has caused more violence and pain over the centuries than achieved goodness. Somehow "holy" and "war" don't belong together--but they have in the past.

If there's any guiding principle I follow it's the Golden Rule and ahimsa--harm no living thing.

As Bae has said, I think "pagan" covers a lot of my belief system--as does being a nature-centered agnostic--if labels are necessary. Namaste.

[iris lilies]

Thanks, pinkytoe. Wow, a lot of ex-Catholics here!
Is there anyone who follows the religious practices of their upbringing?

[catherine]

Is there anyone who follows the religious practices of their upbringing?

I'm wondering the same as well. I was such a devout Catholic up until the time I went college and have wandered through mainline Protestantism and Buddhism, but I have to say, the pilot light of my Catholicism still burns, even though I'm not giving it any gas. Yet, I am turning around slowly back to it for some reason. A lot of humans have twisted and abused Catholicism to suit their purpose, but I think that if I distill the early messages of Christ, and tally up the good that has been done by many of its faithful, it speaks to my heart. I just don't know if I want to re-commit officially. In the meantime I follow some of the saints, and modern theologians and my own practices of meditation and prayer..

[nswef]

I was raised Presbyterian, no joy on Sunday, God knows everything you are going to do, love one another, obey the commandments. Ceremony was frowned upon. I longed as kid for fancy dress on the minister...but when my parents' church started carrying a huge gold ccross down the aisle before the service I was appalled...I was willing to give up Christianity when I dated a Jewish boy in college, but didn't and he's long gone. I went to a small Methodist church in this little town for awhile because I liked the minister, but when the next one was evangilistic, I stopped and now that chuch has broken from the methodists due to gay marriage...so won't go there, although we have a grave plot in their cemetery that we bought before the split. i kept the God part of my upbringing and the God is love business. But no organized religion for me.

[pinkytoe]

I live near several Mormon families. Very nice folks but the way their kids tow the line sometimes give me pause. I think in these times one would have to completely sequester their kids from other beliefs/ideas to keep them conforming. That part of religion/spirituality has always fascinated me. I recently read several memoirs written by women who had "escaped" fundamentalist sects and how in retrospect, they realized how controlled their lives and thoughts were.