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I’ll admit I was aware of Charlie Kirk, but not really a follower. I skew a bit older than his primary demographic. I did enjoy the occasional video of his various campus debates. He aroused the usual ire of people who would rather shut up someone with contrary views than defend their own. His brand of socially conservative, pro-capitalist opinions seemed to violate a lot of taboos. They seemed to be especially angered by his lack of reverence for academic credentials.
I was saddened to learn that some generic human stain decided to exercise a murderer’s veto, but was encouraged to see that outside of a few intellectual fever swamps such as MSNBC we didn’t see much of the disgusting “I deplore violence but…” commentary we saw after the Luigi Mangione affair. I consider that to be a hopeful sign.
littlebittybobby
9-14-25, 3:19pm
okay---i did not even know who Charlie Kirk was, until he got wacked by a wacko with a war-surplus high-powered rifle fitted with a scope; tho he prolly never heard o' me, either. Ha. But yeah---the alleged shooter allegedly abandoned the rifle, when he/she/it made their escape, which is right out of the Ozzwald and James Earl Ray playbook. I'm wondering what that rifle will bring at auction, after the trials and appeals and finally---the alleged shooters' execution by firing squad? I figure the best strategy now would be for controversial characters to shy away from public appearance at outdoor venues. Seems like a common sense approach, to me.
iris lilies
9-14-25, 7:59pm
I’ll admit I was aware of Charlie Kirk, but not really a follower. I skew a bit older than his primary demographic. I did enjoy the occasional video of his various campus debates. He aroused the usual ire of people who would rather shut up someone with contrary views than defend their own. His brand of socially conservative, pro-capitalist opinions seemed to violate a lot of taboos. They seemed to be especially angered by his lack of reverence for academic credentials.
I was saddened to learn that some generic human stain decided to exercise a murderer’s veto, but was encouraged to see that outside of a few intellectual fever swamps such as MSNBC we didn’t see much of the disgusting “I deplore violence but…” commentary we saw after the Luigi Mangione affair. I consider that to be a hopeful sign.
We’ve talked a little bit about the Charlie Kirk tragedy on the “rant” thread. I knew Charlie set up his little table at campuses with a provocative topic and “Change my mind!” signs but I hadn’t realized until eulogies that he started this when he was 21, so that’s why he relates to the college crowd. There are his people, talking to them as he always has. He always seemed cheerful and polite. I was watching a couple clips recently where college kids are giving him decent arguments. A good exercise for them.
Peter Boghossian does similar “man on the street “work where he names a topic and has volunteer random people stand on a scale that shows how much they agree or disagree with a position on the topic. That exercise is good for debating conflict and allows for nuance because it shows not all people are in 100% of one camp or another.
iris lilies
9-14-25, 8:06pm
I agree that most media talking heads have shown appropriate horror and sadness at Kirk‘s murder. Part of that could be because they identify with him, a professional political talker. He wasn’t an elected official, he was (likely) shot simply for expressing his opinions.
I can’t say that his death will leave a hole in my podcast viewing. I was thinking today about whose death I would be affected by if they were in the same camp as Charlie Kirk and I think I would be shocked and numb if it was Ben Shapiro. I don’t purposely listen to Ben or The Wire, but those things cross my video viewing now and then, I like Ben. I just enjoy his style more than that of Kirk maybe because Ben is a little older and not so relentlessly Christian.
I just enjoy his style more than that of Kirk maybe because Ben is a little older and not so relentlessly Christian.
Probably due to the fact that he is relentlessly Jewish?
iris lilies
9-14-25, 9:13pm
Probably due to the fact that he is relentlessly Jewish?
Yes, I set you up for that! I know Ben is relentlessly Jewish, but I find that refreshing I suppose because I am Jew adjacent. And Ben claims Libertarian positions when it comes to government interference in personal life and keep religion out of government.
yet Dave Ramsey is relentlessly Christian in outlook and reference and I don’t mind that, I enjoy his Bible based lessons. For me I guess it depends on the messenger.
rosarugosa
9-15-25, 6:26am
okay---i did not even know who Charlie Kirk was, until he got wacked by a wacko with a war-surplus high-powered rifle fitted with a scope; tho he prolly never heard o' me, either.
Same here.
Listening to some clips of his rhetoric, he strikes me as a bit of a jerk, and I disagree with most of his opinions. However, being a jerk is not grounds for execution - think how empty the world would be.
frugal-one
9-15-25, 6:31am
Same here.
Listening to some clips of his rhetoric, he strikes me as a bit of a jerk, and I disagree with most of his opinions. However, being a jerk is not grounds for execution - think how empty the world would be.
I never heard of him before this. Feel the same as rosarugosa about him.
I'd not ever heard of him either and had to look him up. Wiki has a long list of his disproven conspiracy theory and evangelic Christian beliefs including election denial, climate change hoax, anit-abortion, Covid misinformation, etc. The shooter apparently has a male romantic partner going through gender transition. It all seems like a boiling caldron created out of social medias.
littlebittybobby
9-15-25, 11:58am
okay---on anti-social media, it says the alleged suspects weapon is/was allgedly a sporterized bolt-action Mauser chambered in 30.06, wih a scope. It was either modified or was one manufactured to that spec for a country that used 30.06. See--Mausers typically used 9mm. Also, the reported distance of the shot has gotten shorter, since day one. So, yeah--I'm just waiting to see that actual alleged weapon, so we can get all the verifiable details. Yup.
I'd not ever heard of him either and had to look him up. Wiki has a long list of his disproven conspiracy theory and evangelic Christian beliefs including election denial, climate change hoax, anit-abortion, Covid misinformation, etc.
Now that you've made an effort to read what others have said about him, you might be surprised to actually hear him speak where you can enjoy context which is usually missing in others claims.
Over the weekend the author Stephen King neglected due diligence prior to repeating claims he read online and had to issue an apology. https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2025/09/12/stephen-king-charlie-kirk/86123212007/
I was only vaguely aware of his existence until the murder. I don't keep up with the podcast/tiktok/social media/outrage farmer/snake-oil/crypto-bro/snake-oil hawkers/religious evangelist/trad-wife/... herds. I'm not saying Mr. Kirk was any/all of those categories, just that I lumped him into that overarching group of "things I don't bother with", and moved on with my life the first few times I heard of him.
I agree that most media talking heads have shown appropriate horror and sadness at Kirk‘s murder. Part of that could be because they identify with him, a professional political talker. He wasn’t an elected official, he was (likely) shot simply for expressing his opinions.
I have been in public service, as an elected or appointed official, for decades now. I have had people make credible threats of violence against me and my colleagues. (I may have recounted some of these here in the past.). I have had to have law enforcement and security present at some meetings/hearings. In 2024 I had to hire my own private armed security during a particularly troublesome period here. I have carried a firearm continually during my service because of this, though that certainly wouldn't protect me from a situation like Mr. Kirk encountered.
Threats of violence, and actual violence, against elected and unelected officials, and their supporters and staff, is incredibly damaging to society, on many fronts. People need to calm the BLEEEP down and act in a civil fashion.
I am concerned about the reaction to, and use of, Kirk's assassination by people on all fronts. It is disgusting.
I will likely be stepping down from public service, and participation in most civic activities, as soon as my current term expires.
Now that you've made an effort to read what others have said about him, you might be surprised to actually hear him speak where you can enjoy context which is usually missing in others claims.
Over the weekend the author Stephen King neglected due diligence prior to repeating claims he read online and had to issue an apology. https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2025/09/12/stephen-king-charlie-kirk/86123212007/
I can imagine all sort of untrue rumors are circulating about Kirk. I would just guess that among all the people who had never heard of him I actually tried to find a semi reputable source of his platform rather then resort to social medias, which is part of the problem in the first place and maybe the mistake King made. I think I can just let most of it go and move on. I did look up politifact. https://www.politifact.com/personalities/charlie-kirk/
iris lilies
9-16-25, 12:15am
In the vein of trying to find a good Charlie Kirk interview, I looked up a session Bill Maher did with him in recent years. It went well until they started getting into the weeds about the historical reality of the bible and then I had to bail because it was just too much theology.
Possibly related, I had two aggressive citizens accost me tonight, one from the left, one from the right.
One thought my fire department was "cooperating with ICE". One thought we were "not cooperating with ICE". Both were angry at this.
I pointed out that we weren't "cooperating" with anyone about our patient records. Something about HIPAA, confidentiality, and our desire that *anyone* in the community should be able to feel safe and secure in calling us for medical or other emergency services. Plus also, that's the federal, state, and county law.
But both folks wanted to turn it into some sort of political thing.
littlebittybobby
9-16-25, 11:45am
okay---back to the 60's: there was a fairly well-known RWNJ who had been a military officer until he was retired.(see photo) In civilian life, he then operated his own extremist organization. But one day, as he drove his 58 Chevy to the laundromat, a follower with a grievance shot the RWNJ dead with a rifle, while perched on the rooftop of the building. A clear-cut case of 1st degree murder, but the assassin only served nine years in prison. Yup.6514
"things I don't bother with",
Me either. I note how certain spaces like Reddit or NextDoor seem to have purposely inflammatory questions or statements thrown in during fairly peaceful conversations. One doesn't even know anymore if they are AI generated or a real person. In any case, I am scaling back from all things social media/internet. Waste of time...
Ezra Klein of the NYT recorded a discussion with Ben Shapiro several days before CK was killed. He didn't change anything about it, wanting it to be a record of how things were before CK was killed. It is very good. Highly recommended. It was a very civil discussion.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/16/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-ben-shapiro.html
It didn't take long for the finger pointing to start, and retribution seems to be more popular than toning things down, at least in some high up circles. the Cato institute, who I think is fairly well respected and more Libertarian than anything, did a comprehensive recent study on politically motivated violence.
Terrorism since 2020 paints a slightly different picture. Since January 1, 2020, terrorists have murdered 81 people in attacks on US soil that account for about 0.07 percent of all homicides during that time (estimated for 2025 so far). Right-wing terrorists account for over half of those murders, Islamists for 21 percent, left-wingers for 22 percent, and 1 percent had unknown or other motivations. There are not many politically motivated terrorist killings in the United States.
https://www.cato.org/blog/politically-motivated-violence-rare-united-states
I see a number of people have lost their jobs over publicly celebrating Charlie Kirk’s murder. It raises the question (for me, anyway) of whether that constitutes “cancel culture”. I’m generally a free speech absolutist, but I could see how an employer might not want to be associated with gloating over an assassination.
IÂ’m generally inclined to believe that if a personÂ’s views, however repugnant, have no direct connection to their function then attacking their livelihood doesnÂ’t seem justified. On the other hand, I could see firing an academic for endorsing a killing on campus as reasonable. Of course, thereÂ’s probably a genuine interest an employer might have a legitimate interest in not wanting their organization identified with positive views of murder. There may be a qualitative difference in taking joy in a killing and views on transgender athletes or reparations for slavery.
iris lilies
9-17-25, 3:30pm
This 7 minutes interview on NPR nicely summarizes the main points and conflicts in free speech today, all being considered upon the death of Charlie Kirk.
https://www.npr.org/2025/09/17/nx-s1-5543263/law-professor-says-stifling-free-speech-is-no-way-to-commemorate-kirks-legacy
As for people losing their jobs for showing whatever degree of approval about Kirk’s assassination, sure, that is “cancel culture” according to my view.
That doesn’t mean an employer has no right to “cancel “their employees’ public speech that affects the employer.
iris lilies
9-17-25, 3:35pm
I was going to write about this on the thread we have here about First Amendment rights and free speech, but since the conversation is organically taking place here, I’ll just drop a few thoughts.
i’ve been watching with alarm what’s going on in the UK. There, they are further ahead in the game of punishing people for expressing their thoughts than we are. I’m seeing too many reports coming from that country of people who have disparaged others, whether an individual or a group, and the speaker is hauled into police custody and possibly jailed.
Graham Linnehan is the latest victim of UK government overreach. Graham is a provocateur, a big mouth, a comedic actor, and he is likely reveling in this new status. ( And yes, he considers himself canceled from his chosen profession due to his political views,) But reading exactly his words, it’s not clear to me this is speech that incites violence. And that said I don’t know that the UK standard calls for hate speech to incite violence to be an arrest-able offense, I don’t think it does.
My country, the United States of America, should not go in that direction. I don’t want us to be where the UK is. I am looking at you, Pam Bondi.
I think there is plenty to be alarmed about in our country; you might want to start by reading here:
Professor Watchlist (https://www.professorwatchlist.org/)
iris lilies
9-17-25, 6:56pm
I think there is plenty to be alarmed about in our country; you might want to start by reading here:
Professor Watchlist (https://www.professorwatchlist.org/)
yes the Professor Watchlist is covered in the Ezra Klein interview mentioned by Tradd. NPR short piece I referenced in post #21 .This is not the government’s list, and college professors and other educators have always been rated on their performance in the classroom. I remember reading reviews of my professor friends on Rate Your Professor.
I just finished the Ezra Klein interview with Ben Shapiro, it was was really good. I had heard about 15 minutes of the Ben Shapiro monologue a few days ago, but this entire interview and discussion was good and in the spirit of Charlie Kirk.
Klein also mentioned the Graham Linehan incident as a cautionary tale.
I agree with Ben on at least 80% of his views but then he didn’t talk about social policy. He is strongly anti-abortion while I am not. but I’m not gonna agree with anyone about everything.
So I just read that ABC pulled Jimmy Kimmel off the air for comments he made on-air about Kirk's killer's motives.
Dampening effect, certainly. His list was targeting professors for years; people on the list were receiving death threats.
Catherine, here's a story about it from USA Today, hardly a left wing bastion.
catherine
9-17-25, 10:27pm
Catherine, here's a story about it from USA Today, hardly a left wing bastion.
The New McCarthyism.
iris lilies
9-17-25, 11:44pm
So I just read that ABC pulled Jimmy Kimmel off the air for comments he made on-air about Kirk's killer's motives.
I thought I identified the Kimmel clip that got him in trouble and it was all about Donald Trump’s lack of sadness over Kirk’s death as Trump prattles on about a new ballroom at the White House when asked about Kirk’s death. As usual with Kimmel,it was spectacularly unfunny but I am not sure I agree with taking him off the air, permanently anyway.
But maybe that wasn't the offending clip.
Or, maybe it is more of the Kimmel overview that the network dislikes. Nexstar cancelled the Kimmel showing and I assume Nexstar represents most of the affiliate stations. What the affiliates want is a big deal at the networks.
So I just read that ABC pulled Jimmy Kimmel off the air for comments he made on-air about Kirk's killer's motives.
I had NPR on while doing errands this evening and they played what Kimmel got into trouble over. I don't know if I caught everything, but what I heard really didn't seem that bad. Maybe some people didn't like it, but I found it less vitriolic that what I heard some politicians say recently. It hardly seemed worthy of the cancel culture he received.
I thought it was interesting that virtually the day after Trump made his infamous statement about seeking retribution to the radical left, he sued the NYT for 15 billion. At least that was the news for a day or two and it's sort drifted into the background along with his case against the WSJ for his birthday card drawing. In Patel grilling today he vowed to have an expert verify the hand writing of the signature on the drawing.
EDIT: I thought it would be good to look it up,just to double check.
“We hit some new lows over the weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them, and doing everything they can to score political points from it,”
The network did not explain its decision, but the sequence of events on Wednesday amounted to an extraordinary exertion of political pressure on a major broadcast network by the Trump administration.
Or, maybe it is more of the Kimmel overview that the network dislikes. Nexstar cancelled the Kimmel showing and I assume Nexstar represents most of the affiliate stations. What the affiliates want is a big deal at the networks.
The first story I read about this yesterday highlighted the fact that Nexstar and Sinclair (both major owners of affiliate stations) decided to drop Kimmel's show from their stations for an undetermined amount of time and that ABC/Disney then decided to do the same on the network level, again for an undetermined amount of time which would lead one to believe that something about the show would be fixed and everything would return to normal.
Subsequent stories then sort of ignored the Nexstar/Sinclair angle and focused on blaming the Trump administration. That leaves me wondering which focus is true, is ABC working on making changes to one of their offerings to appease their affiliates or is the government canceling programming they don't like? It appears most folks are automatically choosing option 2.
It would probably be an incomplete story to leave out the influence of FCC chairman Brenden Carr, who threatened to pul licenses of ABC affiliates who continue to broadcast Jimmy Kimmel Live.
early morning
9-18-25, 10:15am
censored. cancelled. and placed in danger from the sociopaths that make up many of the MAGA base. so much for the right wingnuts and their free speech advocacy. what was it that used to be one of their main complaints about those on the left? that we were whiney snowflakes, concerned about "hate speech"? First amendment free speech makes it FINE to call people out, put targets on their pictures, and say really vile things about them! but it's the rightwingers I know who are in full melt down about OTHER people using first amendment free speech rights to disagree with the current dictatorial wanna-bes.
A certain amount of effort seems to have been made to convince the public of the MAGAdunnit codswallop. Apart from the usual “stochastic terrorism” nonsense, we saw CNN report the messages the shooter inscribed on his bullets as “cultural phrases” rather than simply tell us what he wrote. Much was made of the fact that the shooter’s parents were Republicans. It’s not surprising that a loyal soldier like Kimmel would push that particular lie.
Whether that’s a firing matter I’m not sure. But if Disney found it offensive enough to justify bowing out of the declining late night market, I have no trouble believing them.
iris lilies
9-18-25, 11:26am
I am glad ya’ll are NOW concerned about First Amendment rights. Welcome aboard.
We could play “both siderism” but that’s like trying to figure out the Israelis and the Palestinians and who started it all. Go back in time, pick a moment and see the side that started it. But the action before that. Until the next action by the other side.
The truth is the Western world has become more authoritarian in the past 20 years and I am concerned the average Joe doesn5 see, recognize, or worry about it.
It does not matter whose political side is up at the moment because that can and will change.
iris lilies
9-18-25, 11:35am
Now is the time I can promote one of my favorite charities.
It is FIRE, Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression.
This organization truly stands non-partisan in their work to protect free speech rights in the United States. Because they are a newish and small organization, they took on one single focus and it is an excellent one: academic freedom and free speech at college campuses.
Since we can no longer count on the partisan ACLU to take on issues they should take on, I look to FIRE as my guiding light.
And FIRE has a shit ton to do these days since the Trump administration has been turning up the heat on government threats of censorship (but believe me, they were busy enough in the Biden years.)
Here is what one of your favorite organizations has to say about this situation:
FCC Chairman Brendan Carr is once again abusing his position to try to assert government control over public discourse, spuriously invoking the “public interest” standard to selectively target speech the government dislikes.
President Trump has recently called for the FCC to revoke ABC’s broadcast license because he does not like the way the network — and Jimmy Kimmel in particular — speaks about him. Just yesterday, Trump suggested to a reporter that Attorney General Pam Bondi’s statement about prosecuting “hate speech” might mean she will “go after” ABC “because you treat me so unfairly. It’s hate.”
Now, Carr is threatening ABC for comments about Charlie Kirk’s shooter that Kimmel made during his opening monologue on Monday, insinuating that the shooter was part of “the MAGA gang."
The FCC has no authority to control what a late night TV host can say, and the First Amendment protects Americans’ right to speculate on current events even if those speculations later turn out to be incorrect. Subjecting broadcasters to regulatory liability when anyone on their network gets something wrong would turn the FCC into an arbiter of truth and cast an intolerable chill over the airwaves.
iris lilies
9-18-25, 12:07pm
Here is what one of your favorite organizations has to say about this situation, so watch your six if you send them money:
FCC Chairman Brendan Carr is once again abusing his position to try to assert government control over public discourse, spuriously invoking the “public interest” standard to selectively target speech the government dislikes.
President Trump has recently called for the FCC to revoke ABC’s broadcast license because he does not like the way the network — and Jimmy Kimmel in particular — speaks about him. Just yesterday, Trump suggested to a reporter that Attorney General Pam Bondi’s statement about prosecuting “hate speech” might mean she will “go after” ABC “because you treat me so unfairly. It’s hate.”
Now, Carr is threatening ABC for comments about Charlie Kirk’s shooter that Kimmel made during his opening monologue on Monday, insinuating that the shooter was part of “the MAGA gang."
The FCC has no authority to control what a late night TV host can say, and the First Amendment protects Americans’ right to speculate on current events even if those speculations later turn out to be incorrect. Subjecting broadcasters to regulatory liability when anyone on their network gets something wrong would turn the FCC into an arbiter of truth and cast an intolerable chill over the airwaves.
are you directing this at me? What in the world do you mean?
are you directing this at me? What in the world do you mean?
This is a statement released by the organization you identified as one of your favorite charities:
FIRE statement on FCC threat to revoke ABC broadcast license over Jimmy Kimmel remarks about Charlie Kirk | The Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression (https://www.thefire.org/news/fire-statement-fcc-threat-revoke-abc-broadcast-license-over-jimmy-kimmel-remarks-about-charlie)
I imagine one of the things government is looking at is where we donate our money. Of course, I could be wrong about that.
iris lilies
9-18-25, 12:12pm
A certain amount of effort seems to have been made to convince the public of the MAGAdunnit codswallop. Apart from the usual “stochastic terrorism” nonsense, we saw CNN report the messages the shooter inscribed on his bullets as “cultural phrases” rather than simply tell us what he wrote. Much was made of the fact that the shooter’s parents were Republicans. It’s not surprising that a loyal soldier like Kimmel would push that particular lie.
Whether that’s a firing matter I’m not sure. But if Disney found it offensive enough to justify bowing out of the declining late night market, I have no trouble believing them.
I dont like wading into speculation about Tyler Robinson’s motivation because it doesnt really matter, does it? But as a personal observation, and this is what you are referencing, the level of denial about Robinson’s motives, while acceptable to me during the days immediately following Kirk’s assasination, is not tenable now. Those who are still crying “groyper” are silly and I don’t respect their discourse.
We have more important things to focus on than what brand of stupid idealogy Tyler Robinson was following.
National Rifle Association of America v. Vullo, 602 U.S. 175 (2024). 9-0 decision.
“Six decades ago, this Court held that a government entity’s ‘threat of invoking legal sanctions and other means of coercion’ against a third party ‘to achieve the suppression’ of disfavored speech violates the First Amendment. Bantam Books, Inc. v. Sullivan, 372 U. S. 58, 67 (1963). Today, the Court reaffirms what it said then: Government officials cannot attempt to coerce private parties in order to punish or suppress views that the government disfavors. Petitioner National Rifle Association (NRA) plausibly alleges that respondent Maria Vullo did just that.”
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/23pdf/22-842_6kg7.pdf
early morning
9-18-25, 12:45pm
We have more important things to focus on than what brand of stupid idealogy Tyler Robinson was following. You'd think, right?? But it doesn't seem so. It's lots easier to get riled up over that than to actually try to fix something in a manner that benefits MOST Americans, not just the rich ones.
It's hard to not be fearful when things have changed so much, we are being listened to, tracked and monitored. I remember as a kid in the Cold War hearing how it was in Russia, how someone was listening to everything you say, and here we are, 60 years later, in that same place. It is hard to know what to say, what to do to try to keep freedom of speech alive. It feels that recent events have had a very chilling effect on our rights to speak publicly and express our opinions.
Die Fahne hoch die Reihen fest geschlossen
S.A. marschiert mit ruhig festem Schritt
Kam’raden die Rotfront und Reaktion erschossen
Marschier’n im Geist in unsern Reihen mit
Die Strasse frei den braunen Batallionen
Probably would make a catchy tune.
“Perhaps those who would warn you that the Anschluss is coming - and it is coming, Captain - perhaps they would get further with you by setting their words to music.”
iris lilies
9-18-25, 1:23pm
It's hard to not be fearful when things have changed so much, we are being listened to, tracked and monitored. I remember as a kid in the Cold War hearing how it was in Russia, how someone was listening to everything you say, and here we are, 60 years later, in that same place. It is hard to know what to say, what to do to try to keep freedom of speech alive. It feels that recent events have had a very chilling effect on our rights to speak publicly and express our opinions.
I wonder if you recognize at all the chilling effect of liberal ideology on college campuses in recent decades, and closing discourse and keeping professors with more conservative views silent?
this might feel chilling and sudden TO YOU but others have been experiencing it for a while now.
I wonder if you recognize at all the chilling effect of liberal ideology on college campuses in recent decades, and closing discourse and keeping professors with more conservative views silent?
this might feel chilling and sudden TO YOU but others have been experiencing it for a while now.
been teaching at college campuses since 1981 and have never seen anything like this.
Today, the Court reaffirms what it said then: Government officials cannot attempt to coerce private parties in order to punish or suppress views that the government disfavors.
So are we assuming that Mr. Carr's threats to ABC are illegal?
EDIT to add: Seems like a prime opportunity to sue.
In a round about way it might be a good thing that public radio was defunded. It's one less thing the administration can't hold over their heads in retribution or censorship.
I think it unconstitutional, if not illegal for the FCC to issue threats. I felt the same about previous administrations jawboning social media platforms to suppress ideas they found inconvenient or weaponizing the IRS against donors to organizations they disapproved of. The attempt to establish a Disinformation Governance Board was more silly than chilling.
There is no place for government policing the marketplace of ideas. The UK cops monitoring the internet for thought crimes is an abomination that I hope we never see here. On the other hand, I don’t see the same applying to private organizations. A television network, cake shop or tire store has a right to craft its own image.
It would probably be an incomplete story to leave out the influence of FCC chairman Brenden Carr, who threatened to pul licenses of ABC affiliates who continue to broadcast Jimmy Kimmel Live.
I think the "incomplete" or perhaps the more accurate "false" story is that the FCC chairman threatened to pull licenses of ABC affiliates who continue to broadcast Jimmy Kimmel Live.
I saw the chairman's entire statement which was a response to an apparent interview question which I unfortunately haven't seen or heard. His response was that if ABC/Disney's affiliate customers objected to the content of ABC's product, they should let ABC know and perhaps consider not carrying whichever content they found objectionable. He then went on to muddy the waters somewhat by expounding on the FCC's responsibility to ensure networks and affiliates were adhering to their licensing agreements which include the responsibility to operate within the "public interest, convenience and necessity". I think he then went on to suggest that purposely providing inaccurate information such as Kimmel's allegation that Kirk's shooter was MAGA was a direct contradiction to the public interest, convenience and necessity rule. He did not threaten to pull the license of any affiliates broadcasting specific programming.
Now, Sinclair and Nexstar were apparently listening and decided to do exactly what his hypothetical answer suggested, they decided to stop broadcasting one of ABC's products until such time as they deemed that product reflected the values their customers expected and their advertisers were willing to support. While part of that decision may have been an effort to curry favor within the FCC, that was obviously a business decision, not a political one.
That's my take anyway.
I think the "incomplete" or perhaps the more accurate "false" story is that the FCC chairman threatened to pull licenses of ABC affiliates who continue to broadcast Jimmy Kimmel Live.
I saw the chairman's entire statement which was a response to an apparent interview question which I unfortunately haven't seen or heard. His response was that if ABC/Disney's affiliate customers objected to the content of ABC's product, they should let ABC know and perhaps consider not carrying whichever content they found objectionable. He then went on to muddy the waters somewhat by expounding on the FCC's responsibility to ensure networks and affiliates were adhering to their licensing agreements which include the responsibility to operate within the "public interest, convenience and necessity". I think he then went on to suggest that purposely providing inaccurate information such as Kimmel's allegation that Kirk's shooter was MAGA was a direct contradiction to the public interest, convenience and necessity rule. He did not threaten to pull the license of any affiliates broadcasting specific programming.
Now, Sinclair and Nexstar were apparently listening and decided to do exactly what his hypothetical answer suggested, they decided to stop broadcasting one of ABC's products until such time as they deemed that product reflected the values their customers expected and their advertisers were willing to support. While part of that decision may have been an effort to curry favor within the FCC, that was obviously a business decision, not a political one.
That's my take anyway.
Interesting spin on things. I would say that if a person thinks Kimmel was not acting in the public interest or was broadcasting harmful information then Carr was, as Trump said, a patriot. Just like he's tried to silence the other major news outlets who don't share his point of view. I think Hannity and Truth Social are doing a dis service to the country.
My take is that Trump had a temper tantrum and told Carr to threaten ABC, legal or not. And he said there could be more if they don't get in line with his point of view.
Even Lyin Ted agrees with me.
Sen. Ted Cruz on his podcast Friday admonished Federal Communications Commission Chair Brendan Carr for demanding ABC suspend Jimmy Kimmel’s late night show over comments regarding Charlie Kirk — calling Carr’s actions “dangerous as hell” and “right out of ‘Goodfellas.’”
iris lilies
9-19-25, 6:42pm
I think the "incomplete" or perhaps the more accurate "false" story is that the FCC chairman threatened to pull licenses of ABC affiliates who continue to broadcast Jimmy Kimmel Live.
I saw the chairman's entire statement which was a response to an apparent interview question which I unfortunately haven't seen or heard. His response was that if ABC/Disney's affiliate customers objected to the content of ABC's product, they should let ABC know and perhaps consider not carrying whichever content they found objectionable. He then went on to muddy the waters somewhat by expounding on the FCC's responsibility to ensure networks and affiliates were adhering to their licensing agreements which include the responsibility to operate within the "public interest, convenience and necessity". I think he then went on to suggest that purposely providing inaccurate information such as Kimmel's allegation that Kirk's shooter was MAGA was a direct contradiction to the public interest, convenience and necessity rule. He did not threaten to pull the license of any affiliates broadcasting specific programming.
Now, Sinclair and Nexstar were apparently listening and decided to do exactly what his hypothetical answer suggested, they decided to stop broadcasting one of ABC's products until such time as they deemed that product reflected the values their customers expected and their advertisers were willing to support. While part of that decision may have been an effort to curry favor within the FCC, that was obviously a business decision, not a political one.
That's my take anyway.
I keep hearing and seeing reports on Carr saying (threatening) We can do it hard, or we can do it easy.
And it is not within his scope of responsibility to determine the Kimmel Jimmy’s stupid jokes to be factual in serving the public interest.
And Ted Cruz appropriately came out to criticize Carr.
so, I think you are wrong. Sorry Bud.
The latest quote I saw from Trump was, it's not longer free speech when 97% of the media criticizes him. I wonder if he counted Truth Social, Breitbart and Hannity.
As much as I know about politics, I suspect the dems are helpless. I'm amazed that the GOPs who have sworn to uphold the constitution are quietly letting all of this get by them. Except Ted Cruz.
His 15 billion dollar lawsuit against the NYT has failed. It may not be the end of that story since he controls the DOJ.
A bit lengthy, but I did enjoy Jon Stewart's politically correct late night comedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GXNJ3V9lzg
iris lilies
9-20-25, 3:31pm
A bit lengthy, but I did enjoy Jon Stewart's politically correct late night comedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GXNJ3V9lzg
I watched the entire thing. Funny! Jon Stewart can be pretty funny.
The background set image was wonderful. I like the idea of the Talent-o-meter that sits on the President’s desk.
And it is not a lie to say that Nancy Pelosi is technically an animal because, well, she’s not a mineral is she. She’s not in the plant world either.
I have only a vague understanding of Armenia versus Albania so there’s that, but I’m not the president of the United States who solved all their problems.
littlebittybobby
9-20-25, 4:07pm
okay---i tell you what----i was absolutely DEVASTATED the day those network tyrants cancelled "Gilligans Island", the greatest television series ever made! Yup. There was The Skipper, Gilligan, Ginger, Mary Ann, Mrs and Mrs Thurston Howell, and the Perfesser. So, yeah---not only was i seriously traumatised, but my civil rights as an American were violated! Yup. Also, the cast of characters on Gilligands Island had THEIR rights violated as well! Yup. I still watch episodes of the show on Youtube, once in awhile, to relive the good times. I must go check on my catts. Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee.
I am watching bits of the funeral today in between chores. It is unsettling to hear the word war and warrior so often from the speakers and watch the politicians be very religious. I stay in the middle with my politics but this feels like if you are not Christian, you are an outcast.
I am watching bits of the funeral today in between chores. It is unsettling to hear the word war and warrior so often from the speakers and watch the politicians be very religious. I stay in the middle with my politics but this feels like if you are not Christian, you are an outcast.
There is definitely a strong Christian nationalist agenda in this country that is growing in power.
There is definitely a strong Christian nationalist agenda in this country that is growing in power.
Somewhat pontification on my part, but I tend to think there are distinct differences between Christian Nationalists, Evangelical Christians, and other Christians such as Methodists or Lutherans. They no doubt overlap.
I think Kirk denied the separation of church state and declared it a fabrication. I guess my question was, which church? They all tend to classify the other as less of a true religion.
Somewhat pontification on my part, but I tend to think there are distinct differences between Christian Nationalists, Evangelical Christians, and other Christians such as Methodists or Lutherans. They no doubt overlap.
I think Kirk denied the separation of church state and declared it a fabrication. I guess my question was, which church? They all tend to classify the other as less of a true religion.
I've read that Kirk was linked with both the Presbyterians and Evangelicals. He seems to be more on the Evangelical side from all I can tell.
I guess my question was, which church? They all tend to classify the other as less of a true religion.
"Salus extra ecclesiam non est."
Sancta Romana ecclesia firmiter credit, profitetur et praedicat, nullum extra catholicam ecclesiam exsistentem, non solum paganos, sed nec Iudaeos aut haereticos atque schismaticos, aeternam vitam consequi, sed in ignem aeternum ituros esse, qui paratus est diabolo et angelis eius, nisi ante finem vitae eidem fuerint aggregati; tantumque valet unitas ecclesiastici corporis, ut ecclesiasticae sacramenta non prosint ad salutem nisi manentibus in ea, et ieiunia, eleemosynae et cetera pietatis officia ac exercitia militiae christianae praemia aeterna conferant. Neminem quoque, quantumcumque eleemosynam fecerit, etsi pro Christi nomine sanguinem fuderit, posse salvari, nisi in catholicae ecclesiae gremio et unitate permanserit.
Rough translation: "Splitters! Burn!"
iris lilies
9-21-25, 7:20pm
I've read that Kirk was linked with both the Presbyterians and Evangelicals. He seems to be more on the Evangelical side from all I can tell.
He seemed evangelical me, but DH tells me the rumor was he was thinking about converting to Catholicism. DH says Kirk‘s wife is Catholic. I know nothing about this. I’m just passing on baseless rumors!
I thought parts of his wife's eulogy was somewhat moving. The point at which she said she forgives the killer was unexpected and obviously hard for her to say.
"Salus extra ecclesiam non est.
I may have to change my plans to have a gin and ginger ale with John Prine in the afterlife.
I may have to change my plans to have a gin vodka and ginger ale with John Prine in the afterlife.
Fixed it for you. He called it a Handsome Johnny, which would be best served in the afterlife with a cigarette that was 9 miles long.
Fixed it for you. He called it a Handsome Johnny, which would be best served in the afterlife with a cigarette that was 9 miles long.
Ah yes, that was it. See you on the tilt a whirl. maybe.
gimmethesimplelife
9-23-25, 5:00pm
Interestingly enough, I am very much AGAINST this assassination and I shake my head at Liberals celebrating it, I really do. Do we really want to live in a country in which it is OK to gun those those of which you are not politically sympatico? As much as I despise Donald Trump, I was also against last year's assassination attempt - not that I care for Donald Trump - but do we really want to live in a country in which it is acceptable to gun politicians down?
I find this situation beyond scary and very indicative of how far the United States has sunk - but I also see a silver lining. My belief is that this country is now likely to split up faster, especially if DJT and the current administration crack down harder. That's not enough at this point to keep me from seeking Passport B, but it IS potential future positivity.
Please join me in crossing your fingers, hoping for no more assassinations on either side of the aisle. Rob
Highly recommend Ezra Klein’s podcast from today, 9/24.
iris lilies
9-24-25, 10:20am
Highly recommend Ezra Klein’s podcast from today, 9/24.
I will listen because he did such a nice interview/discussion with Ben Shapiro.
Interestingly enough, I am very much AGAINST this assassination and I shake my head at Liberals celebrating it, I really do. Do we really want to live in a country in which it is OK to gun those those of which you are not politically sympatico? As much as I despise Donald Trump, I was also against last year's assassination attempt - not that I care for Donald Trump - but do we really want to live in a country in which it is acceptable to gun politicians down?
I find this situation beyond scary and very indicative of how far the United States has sunk - but I also see a silver lining. My belief is that this country is now likely to split up faster, especially if DJT and the current administration crack down harder. That's not enough at this point to keep me from seeking Passport B, but it IS potential future positivity.
Please join me in crossing your fingers, hoping for no more assassinations on either side of the aisle. Rob
I understand Ecuador’s President has declared a state of emergency recently. Would you consider that “future positivity”?
gimmethesimplelife
9-24-25, 12:55pm
I understand Ecuador’s President has declared a state of emergency recently. Would you consider that “future positivity”?Very weak argument - very very weak and I will calmly and non-snarkily tell you why. DJT has been teasing similar - declaring states of emergency to carry out his legally questionable plans/agenda. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
In other words, the US has been flirting with similar since DJT 2.0. Please turn that finger of blame/shame around and turn it towards the United States, also. If you're going to look down at Ecuador in regards to this issue - your argument is immediately null and void, given that the US is guilty of the same.
Rob
Very weak argument - very very weak and I will calmly and non-snarkily tell you why. DJT has been teasing similar - declaring states of emergency to carry out his legally questionable plans/agenda. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
In other words, the US has been flirting with similar since DJT 2.0. Please turn that finger of blame/shame around and turn it towards the United States, also. If you're going to look down at Ecuador in regards to this issue - your argument is immediately null and void, given that the US is guilty of the same.
Rob
:doh:
Dude, just leave. You want to be gone so bad, just go. You’re all talk and no action.
Or, just stay, and continue pay into the failing social security for our sake.
In a fantasy world where one could ignore national news and animated political discussions, I don't think my life would be significantly different among the various presidents. At least since the draft lottery and not being sent to Viet Nam. I don't have friends who might be deported by ice. And some ups and downs in the stock market. Where ever one might go, things here will not change.
Very weak argument - very very weak and I will calmly and non-snarkily tell you why. DJT has been teasing similar - declaring states of emergency to carry out his legally questionable plans/agenda. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
In other words, the US has been flirting with similar since DJT 2.0. Please turn that finger of blame/shame around and turn it towards the United States, also. If you're going to look down at Ecuador in regards to this issue - your argument is immediately null and void, given that the US is guilty of the same.
Rob
You want to flee the things you imagine the US government might do to the existing reality of the Ecuadorian president’s “Mano Dura” policy. Have you really thought that through?
In a fantasy world where one could ignore national news and animated political discussions, I don't think my life would be significantly different among the various presidents.
My mileage does vary. My local community, where I had planned to stay until my end-of-days, is being impacted by the current administration's policies in ways that are "not good", on multiple fronts.
Not just "Trump is bad, we're upset" sorta things, more like prebudgeted funds vanishing overnight causing layoffs and reduction in hiring by hospitals and clinics, funds for road/bridge repair vanishing, funds for Fire/EMS services vanishing, reliable Federal resources such as CDC and NOAA becoming near-useless, and getting stopped by multiple Federal agencies incredibly often when simply traveling from island-to-island in my county, which is essential for daily life here. Etc etc etc.
Our local Hispanic community is even more impacted, and many of those families have lived in the region as citizens for 100 years. The local First Nations folks are also feeling it, apparently they look Mexican to some of the new ICE folks.
My partner's public school has been impacted financially. And the families and students that attend her school, in the Skagit Valley, are about half Hispanic, and are being hassled. (Though, again, most seem to have been in the USA for generations.)
Universities I work with in the USA have been feeling the pain from the current administration as well.
And my own daughter, as I've mentioned, will not be living in the USA anytime soon, which is unfortunate on a number of fronts.
It's having a terrible impact on college and universities. I'm on a textbook advisory panel, and professors from Florida are reporting that they will be arrested if they provide reading that uses the words cultural and equity. Not fired, arrested. They are pleading with the publisher to remove anything that does not fit with the new regime's strange parameters of language. They are having to stop using their standard psychology textbook as the state has declared it "woke." One of the panel who is not from Florida said, "this is end times stuff." I have never seen anything like this, not since watching historic film of the McCarthy hearings.
iris lilies
9-24-25, 8:36pm
Very weak argument - very very weak and I will calmly and non-snarkily tell you why. DJT has been teasing similar - declaring states of emergency to carry out his legally questionable plans/agenda. Good for the goose, good for the gander.
In other words, the US has been flirting with similar since DJT 2.0. Please turn that finger of blame/shame around and turn it towards the United States, also. If you're going to look down at Ecuador in regards to this issue - your argument is immediately null and void, given that the US is guilty of the same.
Rob
Our AI friend summarizes this travel caution from the. Canadian government. Rob, I know you wouldn’t pay any attention to travel advisory from the evil United States, but this is from Canada.
“Is it safe to go to Ecuador right now?
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It is not recommended to travel to some parts of Ecuador right now due to significant risks of crime, civil unrest, and kidnapping, with the Canadian government advising against all travel to areas within 20 km of the Colombian border. While the Ecuadorian government is taking measures to improve security, the situation is volatile, and a state of internal armed conflict and emergency is in effect. It is essential to check your government's specific travel advisories and follow local authorities' advice, especially when considering travel to major cities or border region”
My mileage does vary. My local community, where I had planned to stay until my end-of-days, is being impacted by the current administration's policies in ways that are "not good", on multiple fronts.
I understand how things are different for others. Those are things I only read about in the news, but believe me I find very disturbing. Some or most of those things probably stay the same regardless of a person's residence.
catherine
9-24-25, 10:39pm
I have been doing focus groups with people (various segments: Black, Native American, rural, Hispanic, LGBTQIA+) and interviews with healthcare providers on how the social determinants of health are impacting their communities... eventually in the discussion it comes around to, "...and with the new administration..." Everyone is polite about it, but what they tell me is that healthcare is eroding, Hispanics and (as bae said) Native Americans are afraid to go to the doctor, Medicaid applications are impossibly difficult to navigate, rural hospitals are suffering... it goes on and on. These are not 3rd party hearsay anecdotes--they are realities experienced by healthcare consumers and providers in the trenches.
... rural hospitals are suffering...
Actual Rural Health Clinics are not just "a clinic in the hinterlands", as many city folk I have talked to seem to believe.
They are a bit more complicated than that. And recent changes are really hitting them hard. The one on the adjacent island to mine is closing very shortly because of that, and then the thousands of residents on that island will be screwed. I used to be on the Board of the RHC on my island until just a couple of years ago. We closed it down and transferred the RHC designation to a nice new clinic that was opening up here supported by our newly-voted-in Hospital District. Now the Hospital District is having more-than-a-bit of trouble under our current Federal administration.
The State is scrambling to see what they can do to backfill, alas our state government is dominated by a handful of urban areas, and it's a long educational process for them...
Ouch, I just looked at the list of official Rural Health Clinics:
5,265 total in 2023
Trump carried 31 states in 2024, those states have 4076 of the rural clinics. 77.4%.
So these hits to rural clinics are hitting the Trump-leaning states harder. (Assuming cuts are equally distributed.)
I did not look at the other sorts of Federally-connected rural health services (Critical Access Hospitals, Rural Emergency Hospitals, Rural Hospitals, etc.), but an eyeball of the map suggests similar clustering.
Go figure.
https://www.ruralhealthinfo.org/rural-maps/healthcare-facilities
catherine
9-24-25, 11:22pm
Very interesting.
frugal-one
9-24-25, 11:24pm
Hearing from veteran’s here that they are not receiving services as before and being turned away due to trump’s budget cuts.
Hearing from veteran’s here that they are not receiving services as before and being turned away due to trump’s budget cuts.
Yes. I was talking to a bunch of folks at our VFW Post recently, and they are running into that. So that's the patient's perspective.
I also know from talking to state-level folks that our state's VA facilities overall are running into huge staffing issues due to the new Federal administration's actions.
America.
Bae, husband is looking at claiming UK citizenship through ancestry--is this something you would recommend or are there downsides we are not seeing? Lawyer says it is likely he can get it.
iris lilies
9-25-25, 12:46pm
Bae, husband is looking at claiming UK citizenship through ancestry--is this something you would recommend or are there downsides we are not seeing? Lawyer says it is likely he can get it.
How many generations removed is he from the UK origin?
Bae, husband is looking at claiming UK citizenship through ancestry--is this something you would recommend or are there downsides we are not seeing? Lawyer says it is likely he can get it.
I think that is a very personal decision, and you need to think through your goals, and your strategy/tactics. Some of this will require consulting with professionals. I know the UK-ancestry route is a bit complex, and I’d advise getting professionals to walk you through that.
iris lilies
9-25-25, 1:54pm
Ouch, I just looked at the list of official Rural Health Clinics:
5,265 total in 2023
Trump carried 31 states in 2024, those states have 4076 of the rural clinics. 77.4%.
So these hits to rural clinics are hitting the Trump-leaning states harder. (Assuming cuts are equally distributed.)
I did not look at the other sorts of Federally-connected rural health services (Critical Access Hospitals, Rural Emergency Hospitals, Rural Hospitals, etc.), but an eyeball of the map suggests similar clustering.
Go figure.
https://www.ruralhealthinfo.org/rural-maps/healthcare-facilities
Interestingly enough, our tiny rural hospital, which is the only one in our county, seems to be doing OK. I know that because the hospital administrator wrote a reassuring front page article in our local newspaper several weeks ago.
I was worried about it and expressed that worry here on this forum.
The hospital is always struggling, and news of its status is often of concern to members of our community who pay attention. We are in Trump country.
I suppose the status of this hospital and its financial health can turn on a dime, though, as we see how cuts from Washington will ultimately affect it.
I think that is a very personal decision, and you need to think through your goals, and your strategy/tactics. Some of this will require consulting with professionals. I know the UK-ancestry route is a bit complex, and I’d advise getting professionals to walk you through that.
Thank you, we are indeed consulting with professionals and you are right, it is complex and many things depend on what year various things happened. We've been urged to apply now since there is a loophole that the professionals feel might tighten up which would make him ineligible.
How many generations removed is he from the UK origin?
His grandfather was born in England.
iris lilies
9-25-25, 4:51pm
His grandfather was born in England.
That’s a pretty close connection.
You'd think it would be simple but it's not, because of changes in the laws over the years, and when his parents married, and how citizenship flows depending on revision in the laws. I'll keep you posted as we find out more from the professionals.
iris lilies
9-26-25, 9:23am
Or, just stay, and continue pay into the failing social security for our sake.
I have to say, this made me laugh.
You'd think it would be simple but it's not, because of changes in the laws over the years, and when his parents married, and how citizenship flows depending on revision in the laws. I'll keep you posted as we find out more from the professionals.
I hear Ireland is actively recruiting expats. I am two-thirds Irish, but there's no way my Orange Scotsman would ever move to Ireland. Scotland would be more likely. I could be happy there, and if my kids weren't here, and if my roots weren't so deep into New England I might consider it.
Ireland apparently had a severe housing shortage currently.
I have to say, this made me laugh.
I don't know if I was trying to make a point or not, but it does seem like the people you would most want to stay are the ones talking about leaving. The numbers may not be significant, but they vote, pay into SS and taxes to support what ever infrastructure needs we have left. And any social programs that are left. I might live in a comfy blue state where people agree with me and can grouse about Trump altogether, but what ever our society has been so far has treated me very fairly. I might be optimistic, but I think politics will change. It might take a financial meltdown, an environmental disaster, another pandemic, or some gross civil unrest, or global conflict, but things always change and right now those areas are not being managed well at all.
I don't travel much, but have a friend who has toured the world and one thing he has said is that people in other countries just don't have the things we have here. i suppose a lot of us could take our American made money and live above the standards of a lot of places, but none of it will change things here.
I understand alternate opinions. If I were a young person, I'd be thinking about it.
At first attorneys said 95 percent chance but then I found more docs that showed great grandfather naturalized at a time before 1906 which meant minor children lost citizenship. They have cases in court now challenging this and they will contact us if they prevail. Very good legal advice.
Ireland apparently had a severe housing shortage currently.
I have been looking there recently, as I may have mentioned.
If you want to purchase a house or flat, real estate prices are seemingly-reasonable. And possible cheap, depending on your context here in the USA. I had trouble finding a house at my price point that wasn’t “too much house” for me, indicating that real estate is “cheaper” there than where I live. I don’t want or need a giant castle or mansion. The median house there is about 1/3 the cost of the median home here.
Rental prices seem high. Rents there are similar to rents here, which are high. Incomes there aren’t especially high. Ireland does have 30 year mortgages available, unlike some of the other countries/regions nearby. I suspect young people and working class folks without capital are not having a good time in the housing market there.
I’m also looking to buy a house in Scotland in or near St. Andrews, and Scottish real estate seems substantially cheaper. Salaries in the area seem quite low.
iris lilies
9-26-25, 2:00pm
At first attorneys said 95 percent chance but then I found more docs that showed great grandfather naturalized at a time before 1906 which meant minor children lost citizenship. They have cases in court now challenging this and they will contact us if they prevail. Very good legal advice.
The summary I saw said that people applying for this need to be from a Commonwealth country.
but your attorneys are far more knowledgeable than my random Internet info.
Are the court cases in the United States or in the UK?
The summary I saw said that people applying for this need to be from a Commonwealth country.
but your attorneys are far more knowledgeable than my random Internet info.
Are the court cases in the United States or in the UK?
You might be looking at the ancestry visa, which has to be from a commonwealth country. This isn't a visa, it is a ruling that you are already a citizen via double descent.
The cases are in the UK. These are UK attorneys we are talking to. It is all date specific--so his parents had to be married prior to 1949, for example, which they were.
It was just the fact that they stripped citizenship from minor children when the British parent became naturalized US citizen, since they did not have dual citizenship at the time. Otherwise, he would have been good to go. All of this relates to law that applied at the time the events happened, so they are interpreting 1880's law and then 1940's law, if that makes sense.
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