View Full Version : Are you worried regarding SNAP?
gimmethesimplelife
10-30-25, 8:38pm
I will start by stating that yes indeed, I am most definitely worried. Human history has shown that hunger is the one variable that will lead to a given population rising up and overturning a given government. I don't understand why this is not being talked about more and why people seem to believe that the United States is immune to human nature somehow. It isn't. But my politics are not the question here. My question is - do you believe that some kind of uprising may take place if SNAP is not funded after November 1st? They say it only takes three days of hunger for a given population to hit the streets and there is already so much anger out there, I just don't know. I hope for the best and given that I work in grocery retail, worry for the worst. We have been told however to stand down and not interfere with anyone stealing food and for that much I am grateful to my employer.
What's your take? Rob
I'm not particularly concerned about it. I feel confident that the Democrats will vote to re-open government after next week's off year elections are held and everything will go back to normal as long as they learn from their mistakes and make no effort to close it again later in the month in hopes of gaining additional leverage through public suffering in continuing budget negotiations. And, those negotiations are too far out from mid-term elections for holding back services to be at all helpful to them, just the opposite actually.
iris lilies
10-31-25, 11:31am
I’m not concerned about riotingin most places although in some populations any excuse to cause chaos and break windows to steal stuff is a common value.
I am more worried about strain on food banks and feeding programs.
I'm not too worried. It's sort of a game of chicken and I suspect someone will swerve before the bus goes off the cliff.
It appears to be illegal to with hold SNAP contingency funds during a government shut down? Unfortunately the GOP doesn't have the spine to step up to Trumps orders, but I have a little faith in the courts still. I never thought I would find common ground with MTG, but she has called them "weak Republican men".
It's sort of ironic how air traffic controllers work and don't get paid, and Johnson's congress doesn't work, but gets paid. It will be nice to get back to the Epstein files.
Edit: I see a judge has ruled on the SNAP contingency fund and is requiring food stamp benefits to be paid.
Edit of edit: Looks like it official for now in spite of those radical democrats.
“I do NOT want Americans to go hungry just because the Radical Democrats refuse to do the right thing and REOPEN THE GOVERNMENT,” he continued. “Therefore, I have instructed our lawyers to ask the Court to clarify how we can legally fund SNAP as soon as possible.”
I'm not particularly concerned about it. I feel confident that the Democrats will vote to re-open government after next week's off year elections are held and everything will go back to normal as long as they learn from their mistakes and make no effort to close it again later in the month in hopes of gaining additional leverage through public suffering in continuing budget negotiations. And, those negotiations are too far out from mid-term elections for holding back services to be at all helpful to them, just the opposite actually.
Trump, April 2011:
"In my opinion, I hear the Democrats are gonna be blamed, I hear Republicans are gonna be blamed, I actually think the president would be blamed," he said. "If there is a shutdown ... I think it would be a tremendously negative mark on the president of the United States. He's the one that has to get people together."
You know one of the things I hate most about Trump is his ability to make himself the main character in every discussion, but it appears about half the country does it too. Weird!
iris lilies
11-1-25, 3:37pm
You know one of the things I hate most about Trump is his ability to make himself the main character in every discussion, but it appears about half the country does it too. Weird!
I think Donald would consider it winning.
I think Donald would consider it winning.
I think you're right, and I guess in a way, it is.
frugal-one
11-1-25, 4:50pm
narcissistic
You know one of the things I hate most about Trump is his ability to make himself the main character in every discussion, but it appears about half the country does it too. Weird!
If we're going to talk about SNAP and the government shutdown, he's a major player if not the team lead and involved in your ideas about blaming democrats. There was a time and certain people in my small social circles who were that way about Biden and Obama, but Trump seems to want daily attention and media coverage with his antics and he's made some unheard of changes in government. I guess that is Politics. I visited a friend in hospice fairly recently and who did not live long after wards. All he wanted to talk about Biden, which I thought was weird. One has to keep the balance in perspective with what's truly important.
I sort of wondered if you were doing a bit of trolling by calling it the Democratic shutdown. It's obviously a Trump shutdown. That's where the buck stops.
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flowerseverywhere
11-4-25, 7:32am
39% of snap benefits go to children
20% go to adults over 60
https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detail?chartId=54640
note the political header on the government page.
thank goodness it is during the school year where at least school age kids are fed there. Almost all the schools around here are title 1 so there are many families who benefit from snap.
every four seconds someone dies of starvation in this world.
https://concernusa.org/news/world-hunger-facts/
i can’t imagine why, through the prior shutdowns snap benefits continued and now suddenly they are not. Snap benefits are a teeny tiny part of government spending.
it is cruel and despicable to hurt children for the sins of their fathers. And the elderly population. Nobody knows why they ended up in their situation.
you know, in this supposedly Christian nation the Bible seems to have no impact. What would Jesus do?
flowerseverywhere
11-4-25, 7:47am
Another interesting fact. Some states continue to cover benefits. Some are not. Notice the poorest states in the south. And you do know many of these have the federal minimum wage of 7.25 per hour
https://www.newsweek.com/map-shows-states-covering-snap-benefits-amid-funding-lapse-10986888
and FYI I am not a bleeding heart liberal. I just cannot imagine a child in this wealthy country going to bed hungry. Cruel. And here our grocery prices are soaring.
That's an interesting map, with the different states' responses.
This administration seems hellbent, literally, on hurting the poor and the vulnerable.
I sort of wondered if you were doing a bit of trolling by calling it the Democratic shutdown. It's obviously a Trump shutdown. That's where the buck stops.
I believe the Senate will vote again today and I suspect the Democrats will vote for the 14th time in the last month against opening the government for regular business. They hold all the cards with the Senate's requirement of a super-majority vote, that's why I call it a Democratic shutdown.
But, I'll join many others and go out on a limb and predict that later this week, after today's off-year elections, a half dozen or so Dem Senators will be encouraged to go against the "resist at all cost" contingent and vote on the next go-round to open it again. They can't afford to hurt the most vulnerable among us much longer and those who continue to vote against re-opening can assure the socialist contingent which has taken over the party that they did their best. Better luck next time.
I believe the Senate will vote again today and I suspect the Democrats will vote for the 14th time in the last month against opening the government for regular business. They hold all the cards with the Senate's requirement of a super-majority vote, that's why I call it a Democratic shutdown.
But, I'll join many others and go out on a limb and predict that later this week, after today's off-year elections, a half dozen or so Dem Senators will be encouraged to go against the "resist at all cost" contingent and vote on the next go-round to open it again. They can't afford to hurt the most vulnerable among us much longer and those who continue to vote against re-opening can assure the socialist contingent which has taken over the party that they did their best. Better luck next time.
I think you’re right on both counts. Schumer and company were excoriated in March for voting for the last continuing resolution so badly they needed to appease their left wing this time around. Even if they had to shoot some of their hostages in the process.
At this point they probably have sacrificed a sufficient number of lambs to have demonstrated their “fighting spirit”.
frugal-one
11-4-25, 1:00pm
I believe the Senate will vote again today and I suspect the Democrats will vote for the 14th time in the last month against opening the government for regular business. They hold all the cards with the Senate's requirement of a super-majority vote, that's why I call it a Democratic shutdown.
But, I'll join many others and go out on a limb and predict that later this week, after today's off-year elections, a half dozen or so Dem Senators will be encouraged to go against the "resist at all cost" contingent and vote on the next go-round to open it again. They can't afford to hurt the most vulnerable among us much longer and those who continue to vote against re-opening can assure the socialist contingent which has taken over the party that they did their best. Better luck next time.
The whole point being the republicans can’t be trusted to do anything about health insurance whether or not the government opens! They have no plan other than hurt those other than the ultra rich. I hope the reason for the shutdown is realized by those who voted for trump and the whole party is affected! of course, I am not sure we will have fair elections going forward if trump has his way. The stats I’ve seen is over 60% of all Americans think trump is doing a terrible job in all categories. And, of course, if he is not reelected his convictions will be revisited.
The whole point being the republicans can’t be trusted to do anything about health insurance whether or not the government opens! They have no plan other than hurt those other than the ultra rich.
The subsidies which are the crux of the problem were never intended to be permanent. The Democrats could have made it so while they were in control but chose not to even try. I'm guessing that if they are successful in getting subsidies back it will again only be short term, probably until next year's mid-terms when they (and you) can blame Republicans again for political gain.
I'm thinking both sides are looking for a way to open the government and still save face. My take is that this is part of Trump's retribution campaign and the polls I've see, for what they are worth, seem to be blaming the GOP and Trump more than the dems. Trump is King after all.
My fix would be that the GOP would say, hey, we propose and alternate plan for health care that isn't as expensive or has restrictions, like the questionable claim that illegals are getting Obamacare, let's talk. People seem to like the healthcare coverage the way it is and it would be a good compromise. Assuming our government represents the people? That's obviously not how it will go. And I think someone is delaying the release of the Epstein files.
iris lilies
11-4-25, 2:36pm
The subsidies which are the crux of the problem were never intended to be permanent. The Democrats could have made it so while they were in control but chose not to even try. I'm guessing that if they are successful in getting subsidies back it will again only be short term, probably until next year's mid-terms when they (and you) can blame Republicans again for political gain.
Yeah, I really don’t understand why the Democrats didn’t make them permanent. But OK, they roll the dice and lost.
What I really don’t understand is why they’re willing to cater to a very small percentage of the population, ACA subsidy folks, and cut off benefits to the much much larger percentage of the population that receives SNAP. The numbers don’t make sense to me, but it’s all about being a political football, and which side can get their message out there to appear to be the good guys.
22 million Americans are on ACA subsidy plans. ~42 million are receiving SNAP benefits. Seems like a lot of people either way.
flowerseverywhere
11-4-25, 2:55pm
The subsidies which are the crux of the problem were never intended to be permanent. The Democrats could have made it so while they were in control but chose not to even try. I'm guessing that if they are successful in getting subsidies back it will again only be short term, probably until next year's mid-terms when they (and you) can blame Republicans again for political gain.
perhaps they were never meant to be long term because the republicans never did the replace part of repeal and replace. We heard that time and time again. And Didn't Trump tell us time and time again he was rolling out his new health plan in two weeks that covered more people for cheaper and was more comprehensive. Still waiting. But I have to admit they did their darndest to repeal. It's the replacement part they promised. And let us not forget Trumps claim". Who knew health care was so complicated? All the rest of us who actually pay the premiums, research their health care choice every year and have work that offered decent plans.
perhaps they were never meant to be long term because the republicans never did the replace part of repeal and replace.
I think the actual reason they were never meant to be permanent is because the enhanced subsidies were an emergency measure to help people during the covid shutdowns. They were then extended in 2022 via the Inflation Reduction Act, mostly because, "dude, if we can get this nearly a trillion free dollars of spending past the Republicans, what're we gonna do with it all? Good question, how bout masking just how expensive our signature legislation (the ACA) really is? Great idea! But even with this much free money to spend I don't think we can do that for very long, how about just until 2026?"
This seems like a new reason to with hold SNAP?
Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins described SNAP at a recent press conference as, "so bloated, so broken, so dysfunctional, so corrupt that it is astonishing when you dig in."
Could be.
This seems like a new reason to with hold SNAP?
Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins described SNAP at a recent press conference as, "so bloated, so broken, so dysfunctional, so corrupt that it is astonishing when you dig in."
Could be.
I think that's a good reason to audit the program, but realistically the only reason SNAP is being withheld is because as of this afternoon Senate Democrats have failed to authorize government re-opening for the 14th time over the past month. The good news is that they can't politically get away with that for much longer so I think we can expect benefits to flow again in the next week or so.
Of course, there will still be the possibility of another shutdown after Nov 21st when the time limits of the existing CR expire. We'll find out then whether or not anyone's learned a lesson from the current shutdown.
I think that's a good reason to audit the program, but realistically the only reason SNAP is being withheld is because as of this afternoon Senate Democrats have failed to authorize government re-opening for the 14th time over the past month. The good news is that they can't politically get away with that for much longer so I think we can expect benefits to flow again in the next week or so.
Your probably right. The new bogus claim is that SNAP money going to illegals. It probably deserves an audit some day, but most likely a red herring. In another time I'd say they cannot "legally" get away with with holding SNAP much longer. That seems less important now and there's not enough time to go through the court systems to th Supreme Court, where it all seems to end up.
iris lilies
11-4-25, 11:56pm
22 million Americans are on ACA subsidy plans. ~42 million are receiving SNAP benefits. Seems like a lot of people either way.
Yes, those match the Kaiser Foundation numbers I have seen. SNAP benefits go to a higher percentage of the vulnerable, children and elderly. ACA subsidies goes more to households in the middle class income range.
Close as I can tell from the legal back and forth, the Supreme Court has allowed Trump to temporarily or partially withhold SNAP payments. That's just not right.
Close as I can tell from the legal back and forth, the Supreme Court has allowed Trump to temporarily or partially withhold SNAP payments. That's just not right.
Justice Jackson, one of the liberal justices, said it was to allow more info to be gathered in the case.
I'm not afraid so much as I am capitol-D Disgusted with govt making up an action -- cutting off SNAP - that's never been done in the history of the program, and then doubling, tripling down on it, filing appeal after appeal to judicial orders. To give $40Billion to Argentina, to throw a Great Gatsby-themed Halloween party, to demolish the East Wing to erect a golden ballroom, while withholding food from children, the disabled, and the elderly poor, to reject a proposal to re-open the govt with the ACA subsidies to continue for one lousy year - this signals that Trump and his admin care nothing about the people, and nothing about the rule of law. No food subsidies or healthcare for the poor, but plenty of money for ICE and the Dept. of "War." I am enheartened by the responses of other citizens, stepping up in their own communities to give money and food to food pantries, restaurants planning meals for the needy. Americans are, at heart, generous and good people. The current administration, not so much.
The GOP thinks illegals and Ronald Reagan's "welfare queen" are getting snap. These are what I keep seeing online. Some also don't want food pantries to pick up the slack, which is truly evil. They think there are plenty of jobs out there. The usual reports of people in expensive cars picking up at food pantries.
Small humor. 30 year old prophecy? Or things never change. A short clip from "Bulworth". It's sort of from my era, but don't recall it. Up for an Academy Award for best screen play. It's in my movie cue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA62refAB2w
early morning
11-8-25, 4:27pm
people in expensive cars picking up at food pantries
Well, that would be my friend, perhaps. she doesn't have a working car and her boss loans her his, from time to time. Or it could be my neighbors, who have lost their well-paying jobs. does that mean they should sell of their paid-for newer, nice car, to get an unreliable clunker to drive to the food pantry, which they need, at least short term? sheesh.
When my mother would go to the Food Bank here, she'd pull up in her shiny Mercedes station wagon that looked new. Mom lives entirely on her Social Security.
She bought it used, 25 years ago, for a great price when it was coming off of someone's 3-year lease. She maintained it lovingly, and sold it a month ago when she moved to a place where she no longer needs a car. I believe she sold it for $4000 to a friend. It had > 300k miles on it.
I was watching CNN a few days ago and was intrigued by a Democratic Party strategist and CNN commentator named Ashley Allison who was talking about the downstream economic effects of a pause in SNAP funding. She volunteered that she had just "had her eyebrows done" and her eyebrow technician was lamenting the fact that she would have to lay off two employees because "without SNAP most of our clients can't afford our services." I thought that was interesting.
My husband just checked with the food pantry website as to what they needed and took a shopping trip and bought a cart full and dropped it off yesterday. They also needed grocery bags, so if you want to drop off something free, that is something they need.
A relative of mine worked for county social services, now retired. His entry level job was interviewing people on various welfare programs to help validate their status and eligibility. It was several years ago so some of the details are getting vague, but I do recall a story or two of people hiding income or had stashes of money who were abusing the system. It’s probably a matter of degree rather than if. It’s no reason to cut off people who really need it, but it could be a problem for another time.
iris lilies
11-8-25, 7:29pm
I was watching CNN a few days ago and was intrigued by a Democratic Party strategist and CNN commentator named Ashley Allison who was talking about the downstream economic effects of a pause in SNAP funding. She volunteered that she had just "had her eyebrows done" and her eyebrow technician was lamenting the fact that she would have to lay off two employees because "without SNAP most of our clients can't afford our services." I thought that was interesting.
I am surprised they aired that on CNN. I guess we can be happy those Snap recipients are choosing to feed their family rather than throw them to the wolves and keep their eyebrows fashionable.
I don’t consider this abuse if the governmental guidelines are clearly met by the recipients. But sure, I don’t like it.
I will act like the old fart I am when I say I can’t even fathom paying someone to attend to my eyebrows when I don’t even think about them myself. I’ve never been to a nail salon. I’ve never had a massage. I’ve been cutting my own hair for decades. I suppose this is my version of “kids these days have it so easy, I had to walk to school in 4 feet of snow for 2 miles and my boots had holes in them.”
I am surprised they aired that on CNN.
I think it was one of those times people lament something but in the process make a point they didn't intend. Sort of like several instances lately where a Democratic congress critter tells us the shutdown is owned by the Republicans and they (the Democrats) won't open it back up until they get what they want. I find it amusing in a sad sort of way.
Is the House and the Senate not owned by the GOP? Did Johnson not tell them to stay out of Washington because he doesn't want to have to swear in the new AZ Dem? Aren't she and all the Dems still in Washington waiting for negotiations? Why will he not swear her in but he's sworn new GOP members while not in session?
The House approved the continuing resolution to maintain this fiscal year's spending levels, just like the previous dozen or so cr's that the dems in the Senate signed off on. Just like the others, this one was simply a short term resolution which would keep the government open while giving both sides a couple of months to work out details of final appropriations.
This arrangement seemed to work for both sides until the last one when Schumer got grief from The Squad and their far left devotees, so this time the Dems are apparently flexing their filibuster muscle, knowing that their base will grant them the leverage needed to blame the Republicans for any pain incurred.
Of course, the Republicans then decided to play political games as well by holding the Democrats feet to the fire by making them own their repeated refusal to allow the government to remain open. If you follow the path of cause and effect, the Democrats clearly initiated this conundrum and the Republicans are only guilty of letting them pay for their own deeds. At least that's how I see it.
For those of you hesitating to donate food or money to food banks because you fear that unworthy people will receive the food, another great place to donate is the Southwest Indian Foundation. I donate there a lot because I know it is a great charity doing great work for my fellow human beings.
early morning
11-9-25, 9:40am
Of course, the Republicans then decided to play political games as well by holding the Democrats feet to the fire by making them own their repeated refusal to allow the government to remain open. If you follow the path of cause and effect, the Democrats clearly initiated this conundrum and the Republicans are only guilty of letting them pay for their own deeds. At least that's how I see it.
LOL. I love how people make pretzels out of "facts" that are wildly misremembered and reinterpreted. At least that's now I see it. Swear the damned woman in and let the pedophiles fall where they may. And stop feeding the rich to bleed the poor. It's poor form, AND a bad look. As always, YMMV :~)
Support the food pantries as best you can. thanks for the bag suggestion, Tybee - I've a call into our local to see what they need most besides cash. We have precious little of that, but will do what we can. I feel so fortunate to have food in the pantry and a roof over. And a furnace, and water. So many don't.
iris lilies
11-9-25, 10:04am
Besides the official food bank in our community, we have a couple of little food pantries that operate like the “ Little Library”kiosks. One of these is by the riverfront where public bathrooms are open and occasional campers set up tents or stay in campers overnight. The other is in front of the Methodist Church on a major street, so it’s visible from the street.
someone from the church said their little food pantry has been used more often in recent days and prepared breakfast foods are the most popular. The sacks of rice and beans just sit and that’s too bad because rice and beans are a classic inexpensive filler food dense with the right nutrients. Of course, one has to have cooking facilities for it but any more you need is an electric outlet and a crockpot. So many things can be prepared in a crockpot.
The House approved the continuing resolution to maintain this fiscal year's spending levels, just like the previous dozen or so cr's that the dems in the Senate signed off on. Just like the others, this one was simply a short term resolution which would keep the government open while giving both sides a couple of months to work out details of final appropriations.
This arrangement seemed to work for both sides until the last one when Schumer got grief from The Squad and their far left devotees, so this time the Dems are apparently flexing their filibuster muscle, knowing that their base will grant them the leverage needed to blame the Republicans for any pain incurred.
Of course, the Republicans then decided to play political games as well by holding the Democrats feet to the fire by making them own their repeated refusal to allow the government to remain open. If you follow the path of cause and effect, the Democrats clearly initiated this conundrum and the Republicans are only guilty of letting them pay for their own deeds. At least that's how I see it.
I hear the rational the dems have for not reopening the government and then coming to some sort of negotiation is that the GOP is untrust worthy and have never disclosed any alternate plan to replace what ever it is that they don't like. So it will just go away. Get bottled up in committees, or even courts. I can understand the untrust worthy part, based on past history. Once the government is reopened they loose a lot of leverage and are at then the whims of the GOP.
The Sunday morning talking heads of TV say that people are generally blaming both parties are are going to be very upset if Holiday travels are interrupted
iris lilies
11-9-25, 12:22pm
LOL. I love how people make pretzels out of "facts" that are wildly misremembered and reinterpreted. At least that's now I see it. Swear the damned woman in and let the pedophiles fall where they may. And stop feeding the rich to bleed the poor. It's poor form, AND a bad look. As always, YMMV :~)
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so, do you think the Democrats in Congress should vote the bill forward so that government employees can get paid and snap benefits distributed?
This whole thing has been framed as a media battle from the beginning, and I don’t disagree with that, but someone has to give and why can’t it be the Democrats?
I think the Epstein files should be released and I don’t think for a moment that will quell speculation, in fact, it will provide decades worth of fodder for discussion, conspiracy theories, and perhaps court case cases. Contents of the E files will raise as many questions as there are out there right now.
frugal-one
11-9-25, 2:44pm
so, do you think the Democrats in Congress should vote the bill forward so that government employees can get paid and snap benefits distributed?
This whole thing has been framed as a media battle from the beginning, and I don’t disagree with that, but someone has to give and why can’t it be the Democrats?
I think the Epstein files should be released and I don’t think for a moment that will quell speculation, in fact, it will provide decades worth of fodder for discussion, conspiracy theories, and perhaps court case cases. Contents of the EFC files will raise as many questions as they are out there right now.
Because the REPUBLICANS HAVE NOTHING IN PLACE for the estimated 24 million Americans whose health care costs could rise exponentially, thereby, forcing millions to forgo healthcare. I, for one, hope democrats stay the course. Let the republicans be damned!
I’m OK with throwing out the Democrats *and* the Republicans, and starting over.
so, do you think the Democrats in Congress should vote the bill forward so that government employees can get paid and snap benefits distributed?
This whole thing has been framed as a media battle from the beginning, and I don’t disagree with that, but someone has to give and why can’t it be the Democrats?
I think the Epstein files should be released and I don’t think for a moment that will quell speculation, in fact, it will provide decades worth of fodder for discussion, conspiracy theories, and perhaps court case cases. Contents of the EFC files will raise as many questions as they are out there right now.
It can’t be the Democrats because they need to look like they’re fighting to keep their left wing from attacking them in the primaries. If it wasn’t health care it would be something else.
I think the Epstein files should be released and I don’t think for a moment that will quell speculation, in fact, it will provide decades worth of fodder for discussion, conspiracy theories, and perhaps court case cases. Contents of the EFC files will raise as many questions as they are out there right now.
I think at this point I would question the provenance, chain of custody, and integrity of any files or records that see the light of day.
I am confused as to why people believe they’ll see “the real” files?
So, whatever gets released will spawn off tons of wacky conspiracy theories.
frugal-one
11-9-25, 5:08pm
It can’t be the Democrats because they need to look like they’re fighting to keep their left wing from attacking them in the primaries. If it wasn’t health care it would be something else.
bs. Hope all elections forward have the results as the most recent.
frugal-one
11-9-25, 5:14pm
I think at this point I would question the provenance, chain of custody, and integrity of any files or records that see the light of day.
I am confused as to why people believe they’ll see “the real” files?
So, whatever gets released will spawn off tons of wacky conspiracy theories.
Based on all the hoopla and hedging, we all know what is in the files. Pictures have shown us the buddies of Epstein.
It looks like the dems Team Cave will reopen things. I suspect the December vote on health care will mostly be a fake vote but will demonstrate how determined the GOP is to make health care costs shoot through the roof. Maybe that will matter in the next elections. Maybe not. A lot more people will be going uninsured is my estimate.
frugal-one
11-10-25, 9:32am
I agree. No doubt GOP will show their lack of trustworthiness again. If so, hopefully we will have, in any case, fair elections in the future. It is questionable since a lot rides on trump staying in office to not have to atone for his transgressions.
It looks like the dems Team Cave will reopen things. I suspect the December vote on health care will mostly be a fake vote but will demonstrate how determined the GOP is to make health care costs shoot through the roof. Maybe that will matter in the next elections. Maybe not. A lot more people will be going uninsured is my estimate.
Yeah. They proved me wrong. Enough moderates will defect to break the filibuster and reopen the government.
Whether or not the expiring subsidies are reinstated in December, they will have little to no impact on health care costs. They would merely shift some of the costs from some insured parties to taxpayers.
Yeah. They proved me wrong. Enough moderates will defect to break the filibuster and reopen the government.
Whether or not the expiring subsidies are reinstated in December, they will have little to no impact on health care costs. They would merely shift some of the costs from some insured parties to taxpayers.
I don't think a solution is a free lunch, either way. Small businesses who are privately insured may have to increase their cost of good or services. Uninsured or underinsured will go to emergency rooms or hospitals that are set up to take them. That is not free and may be passed along as health care increases. Or maybe there are other programs to pay for those? Some people may want to shift their employment to a a business offering health insurance and wear the golden hand cuffs. States may pick up some of the slack, which will be paid with taxes.
Some bean counter may come up with a breakdown, but I suspect a lot of poor people in the southern states who voted for Trump will be affected more. Maybe the GOP will come up with some alternative to help with high medical or insurance costs, but my guess is that Trump has never liked the ACA from the beginning and it's on his retribution list. It's Obama care. Unless a few rogues will become MTG converts, it will just all go away.
He is suggesting $2000 check to everyone as some sort of tariff rebate. That might buy off a few disgruntled and almost seems a little too coincidental.
And what do the citizens want. From the KFF.
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I think the Epstein files should be released and I don’t think for a moment that will quell speculation, in fact, it will provide decades worth of fodder for discussion, conspiracy theories, and perhaps court case cases. Contents of the E files will raise as many questions as there are out there right now.
What even Epstein files exist, it's not looking like we will ever see them. I wonder, when it comes up for senate vote, if they even know what's in them and what material they are voting for or against. My closest guess is that Trump is only guilty by association, but there are other politicians or big business execs who have more involvement, and that is what's being protected. Today's new said that Trump put pressure on Boebert to take her name off the congressional document and she would not relent. There's got to be something there they don't want our eyes to see since they are bending over backwards to keep them away?
My closest guess is that Trump is only guilty by association, but there are other politicians or big business execs who have more involvement, and that is what's being protected.
Naw, I don't think so, from the things I have read over the years and interviews with survivors.
The Epstein Files, or whatever evidence that phrase entails, have been around for years now. If there were anything there to incriminate or damage Trump, I have to believe whatever that might be would be a matter of public knowledge by now considering all the coordinated efforts to usurp his first administration and the subsequent efforts to prevent him from enjoying another. I think we're at the point where innuendo is the only thing left and I'm guessing that will be with us until he dies.
At least we may soon see the long-awaited Amelia Earhar files released.
catherine
11-13-25, 3:57pm
I don't think peope care how many people Trump has abused--women, girls, migrants, whomever. It's a fool's errand to chase these files if you think all of a sudden Republicans will revolt against him.
I don't think peope care how many people Trump has abused--women, girls, migrants, whomever. It's a fool's errand to chase these files if you think all of a sudden Republicans will revolt against him.
You are obviously right. Look at the Carroll case.
The Epstein Files, or whatever evidence that phrase entails, have been around for years now.
That could be. Everything seems so secretive. What files are they voting on in congress then? To release already released files?
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/13/dining/snap-recipients-government-shutdown.html
Interesting article on how SNAP amounts were determined and are out of touch.
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