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Just curious what your opinion is on adult children living with their parents.I have two young adult sons still at home and I am getting tired of it. As they are both working I do require them to pay room and board. It is a monthly battle to get them to pay me. If they were going to school I would not ask that of them. They do not contribute to the household in any other way. I am ready for an empty nest but neither of them wants to move out! My husband does not have my back on this issue at all. He never wants to look like the bad guy...that's a whole nuther issue.
This is not just about the money but about my feelings that it would be good for them to live on their own and have those responsibilites. What's your thoughts on this?
UPDATE: I put my pointy toed boots on and got the job done! Both of my sons have now moved out. Thanks for all your comments and support.
ApatheticNoMore
12-14-11, 3:20pm
It's the new normal. I don't know, it's complex and depends on the particular situation. Since you really want them gone, it probably is not best in your particular situation. The dynamics do not sound good. I think it takes a special situation to make it work.
And yes obviously anyone who lives at home should be contributing financially in some capacity if they can, contributing to helping out otherwise as well. I hope you aren't still doing their laundries or something. Tell me your not, please tell me your not :laff:
Do they have strategic goals for living at home, saving up for a house downpayment or something? Then it IS a good way to do this. It's not fair to those who want to buy a home and have busted their butts paying their own market rent from day 1 and have to compete with the "I've been living at home for years and years saving up" set, but well ... life is not fair, and it is a leg up for those who can take it. Or if they are saving for education or saving for retirement like crazy in their youth or for a cushion or something. It is a way to do that and people with the maturity and ability to do so will probably end up far better off financially in middle age than their peers (sad but true). Many people really don't mature financially and emotionally until they have been on their own for awhile though. They need that time of being independent (even if they some day move back for a little while after a job loss or divorce etc. - then they do so with emotional maturity). The parent/child dynamic is also not helpful many times and so living in a house with a bunch of other young people or something might be a better way to save than living with mommy and daddy, but again I do have some understanding for even those who live with their parents if it is done strategically (again for the house downpayment etc.).
No I am not doing their laundry although I find that they often hog the washer and dryer. And no they do not have any strategic goals other than staying in their comfort zone.
I do provide meals for them and one of my big bones of contention is not knowing daily how many I am cooking for. They will tell me in the morning that they will be home for supper and then not show up so I have wasted my time making a bigger sized meal than I would have otherwise. It really ticks me off and I feel it is disrespecful! Sigh I guess I'm just kind of tired of it all....
My father made me start paying rent when I was 14.
My daughter is 14 now. We don't charge her rent. But we do require her to contribute to the operations of the household with more than just symbolic chores.
When she is an adult, things will be difficult for her if she wishes to remain in our local community - jobs are scarce and low-paying, housing prices are very high, and the cost of living in general is very high. If we "booted her out of the nest", well, she'd have to go far away. A better solution will have to be found :-)
flowerseverywhere
12-14-11, 3:50pm
Do you ask for help? Or ask them to limit their use of the washer and dryer to certain days and times?
Maybe you need to let your needs be known. For instance, get everyone together and say some things are difficult for you and you need help. Maybe say on Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays I want the washer and dryer free and empty so I can do what I need to do. If you find clothes in the washer or dryer put them in a basket in a heap. Ask that each take responsibility for some things. For instance, ask that they each cook one night a week for everyone to take the load off of you. And address them not showing up for meals after they said they would be there. Tell them you think it is disrespectful. maybe they have no idea it means that much to you. You are entitled to your feeling you know.
communication is the key in these situations. If you make it too comfortable for them of course they are going to stay there forever. Who wouldn't?
Bastelmutti
12-14-11, 3:53pm
I guess it doesn't really matter what we think - you've made it clear (to us at least) that you want them to move on. How about starting to take small steps in that direction? Lay down rules for when they can use the washer/dryer, i.e., not during the times that are convenient to you. Stop making their meals. Give them a kitchen cabinet and space in the fridge for their own groceries that they have to buy. Admittedly, this is likely to be difficult if your DH doesn't back you up.
Miss Cellane
12-14-11, 3:58pm
My guess is that they are not going to move until something makes moving seem like a better choice than staying.
You own the home and the appliances. You can raise the rent--hey, you have to pay taxes on the house and I bet those are going up, aren't they? You can charge for food and cooking expertise--whether or not they eat the food. They might be more accurate as to whether or not they will be home for a meal if they realize that they will pay for it either way. You can have a minimum 24 advance notice for any missed meals. No 24 hour notice? Pay for the meal. You can designate certain hours when the washer and dryer are available for their use, and other hours when they are not available to anyone but you and your DH.
And by all means they should be doing some of the chores around the house--the food shopping, some of the cooking, the yard work, some cleaning. I'd pick the chores you least like to do and make doing those chores part of their rent.
In other words, look at all the things they do that bug you. Then develop a consequence for each thing that a) isn't much work for you and b) hits them where it hurts. And if you really want them to leave, I think your DH needs to support you. The two of you need to set a time line for the fledglings to leave the nest. Then you get to introduce "Operation Independence" to the kids. Make the time line reasonable--at least 6 months, to give them time to save up money for deposits on apartments and stuff. Or you might want to give them a year to get ready--they might also need to buy furniture and things like that. Then mark the date on a big calendar and keep referring to it. There's nothing wrong with telling your kids you love them, and just like you had to take them to the doctor's when they were little even though they didn't like it, so you are kicking them out of the house. For the same reason--for their own good.
I admit that my friends and I were all about getting out of our parents' houses, so this current mindset of staying home long after you could leave is puzzling to me.
Could your sons perhaps get an apartment together? Maybe suggesting that.
My daughter (24) is living here but she is gainfully employed and finishing her masters. Although we didn't ask her to, she pays a small rent. She said it makes her feel better. She does of course keep her space nice and does her own laundry and such. I do cook the meals but its just as easy to cook for 3 as 2. She is saving her money for a down payment on a place when she graduates. Hopefully she can continue with the employment she has now, or at least stays in this area as I do enjoy her company.
I totally understand. We get used to our peace and quiet after the kids go to college and its almost impossible to have that when they come back.
I'm sorry you don't have your DH's support. I think they need to get an apartment together and start living on their own. Maybe you could help them a little financially (only if its a real bind for them).......but I think the kids today are pretty spoiled. (Mine definitely are!)
ApatheticNoMore
12-14-11, 4:45pm
I admit that my friends and I were all about getting out of our parents' houses, so this current mindset of staying home long after you could leave is puzzling to me.
I was too. My dad begged me after I had my first real job when I was looking for my first apartment to live at home for a little while more and save up (that's what he said then, but not what he has said before when I was being "unproductive" = taking college courses instead of working full time).
On the one hand me and my parents psychologically - omg no! They did their damage enough in the years I lived there. On the other hand, he was right about how tough it would be out there financially to save and pay the costs of living like rent etc. and that there would have been great financial advantage to living at home and saving up for awhile. But I was YOUNG AND PROUD and dumb as heck about real world economics (which incidently are a lot tougher now and were even for people my age than they had been decades earlier).
I completely understand your frustration. There was just a Dr. Phil show on this very subject and it is very definately a growing trend. In this case it was their daughter who refused to move out. She had graduated from college and had a good job but in spite of her parents giving her deadlines to find a place of her own, she wouldn't budge. She came right out and said what you said. She didn't want to leave her comfort zone. Until she could afford to live like she was now, she wasn't going to leave. She was doing nothing to save toward that end. There is a complete disconnect from reality with alot of young adults today.
Dr. Phil gave the same advice that Miss Cellane gave. Until it's no longer fun to live at home, they'll never leave. If I were you I'd stop making meals for them. They have jobs and there are restaurants. Come up with a time line and stick with it. In the Dr. Phil case it was 8 months. And during that time frame do whatever you can to push them out of the nest. If their on your family phone plan, take them off. If they don't pay towards cable service, take the tv out of their room. It's not mean. It's for their own good.
FYI, I kicked my DD out when she was 19 and it was the hardest thing I ever had to do. In my case it was because she refused to abide by any rules and was headed for serious trouble. I was unwittingly facilitating it in the guise of love. She told be a few years ago it was the best thing I ever did for her. She was forced to grow up because life became about how to find the next meal, not where to find the next drug dealer. That's not your situation exactly, but it's the same dynamic. Nothing will change until something changes.
After I graduated from university and worked abroad for a couple years, I decided to come back to the UK. However, I could not find work so I had to move back in with my parents after about seven years of living on my own. I'm a very independent person and couldn't handle going backwards! My parents were fine with it though, because they knew that I was keen to get a job and move back out. I take it your sons are not working towards such a goal? This sounds just like the younger of my two brothers, who is 18 and just finished high school in June. He has made no effort to find a job, go on to further study, find volunteer work or even contribute to housework. My mum doesn't mind but it's a huge annoyance to my dad. You are not alone :)
If it's any consolation, it's quite normal for 30-year-old "kids" to still be living with their parents in countries like Spain and Italy. It helps ensure good financial standing when they do eventually move out. Still... I can't imagine having done that myself...
Older DD moved in with us for her last year of college. We actually relocated to her town. The rule with all the kids has always been that they had a place when they were in school, but needed to be independent beyond that. She was always a little more reclusive than our other kids and (after just a little gentle reminding what a deal she had) was willing to help with whatever needed doing around the house. It worked out ok because she got a job right out of school last May, got engaged and moved in with her fiance. DS did the same thing I did at 18, moved out and never looked back. Youngest DD is the most independent of the bunch so I can't see her having any desire to live by our rules any longer than necessary.
Rules are a thought... Do they live a life with rules similar to what they had in high school or is it more like they have independent status under your roof? A curfew could be quite a motivational tool if you don't have one in place. A list of real chores, too. With two young men in the house I would expect all the yard work, snow shoveling, gutter cleaning, etc. to be done. Laundry and other personal chores should be on their plates, as you are doing. To heck with cooking for them. Cook for two, you and your husband. Tell them their schedules are just too hectic for you to plan around. Let them use the old fridge in the garage and do their own grocery shopping and cooking AND CLEAN UP. Sure, they will mooch food out of your fridge, but so what? They will at least have to get a clue what goes into meal prep and planning.
With a New Year comes New Rules. Stop cooking them meals. If their stuff is in the washer or dryer it gets dumped in their room if you need the machine. Same with any stuff they leave lying around. Make sure their rent really does cover what you are spending on them, otherwise raise it. It's hard but at the end of the day will be worth it.
Thank you for your replies. I have thought about making them do their own cooking but I know they would not clean up after themselves. I am also afraid they would for sure not want to pay any room and board then. It is already a monthly battle getting rent out of them. Writing all this down has made me realize how very disrespectful my sons are to me.....
Time to "kick" them out. Tough love.
Gardenarian
12-14-11, 5:46pm
Libby - how old are your sons? What are their plans for the future?
...I am also afraid they would for sure not want to pay any room and board then.
You're letting them walk all over you libby. With that in mind and with no back up from your husband its a pretty fair bet nothing is going to change at home before you do. Respect is earned and as long as you're putting up with their **** they won't give you any. Head to Wally World and a thrift store with them in tow and buy the most basic junk they need to survive (air mattress, ramen noodle pot, toilet paper...). Then take them apartment shopping to see places you know they can afford on their own. Give them 2 or 3 choices and make them decide which one will be theirs. Pay their deposit and first months rent if you have to because they will probably only have tomorrow's beer money. DO NOT CO-SIGN THE LEASE or you will pay every months rent until they move, which might be never!!! Line up however much help they need to get all their crap from your place to that apartment. Take them food shopping and buy them a weeks worth of groceries so you can sleep at night knowing they have something to eat. Give them a roll of quarters and a box of Tide and hope for the best. Get them moved and change your locks, drop them off your cell phone plan (just a wild guess that they are still on it) or better yet, move to a one bedroom condo! It may cost you $1500 or $2000 to get them all set up, but its a heck of a lot cheaper than a lifetime Rx to Prozac.
If it were me, I'd probably give them a date to move. If they are able to live on their own, even if it's together, they should. Give them a month or two notice, a nice parting gift, and all your well wishes.
This type of behaviour has been going on for a long time and has been enabled by both you and your DH. Why does he not want to be seen as encouraging independence in your sons? Is it cultural? Does he not believe that they are capable of standing on their own feet or does he see them as crippled and incapable of independence? Does he need their companionship? Who did the disciplining of the boys growing up?
If your DH is a passive-aggressive personality type, you will have to fight this one yourself and take a stand and set boundaries.
http://www.drsapadin.com/articles/featured/passive-aggressive.php and some good advice here:
http://www.newliving.com/issues/nov_2003/articles/passive.html
I don't think that it is just an issue with your sons but one with your DH that needs to dealt with first. Set boundaries with him and then with your sons. You may need help with this. I feel total empathy for your situation.
This is definitely a trend. I know a thirty-something living with mom, and a fifty-something who's a boomerang kid. Hard times.
Makes those tiny houses all the more appealing. ;)
You're letting them walk all over you libby. With that in mind and with no back up from your husband its a pretty fair bet nothing is going to change at home before you do. Respect is earned and as long as you're putting up with their **** they won't give you any. Head to Wally World and a thrift store with them in tow and buy the most basic junk they need to survive (air mattress, ramen noodle pot, toilet paper...). Then take them apartment shopping to see places you know they can afford on their own. Give them 2 or 3 choices and make them decide which one will be theirs. Pay their deposit and first months rent if you have to because they will probably only have tomorrow's beer money. DO NOT CO-SIGN THE LEASE or you will pay every months rent until they move, which might be never!!! Line up however much help they need to get all their crap from your place to that apartment. Take them food shopping and buy them a weeks worth of groceries so you can sleep at night knowing they have something to eat. Give them a roll of quarters and a box of Tide and hope for the best. Get them moved and change your locks, drop them off your cell phone plan (just a wild guess that they are still on it) or better yet, move to a one bedroom condo! It may cost you $1500 or $2000 to get them all set up, but its a heck of a lot cheaper than a lifetime Rx to Prozac.
This sounds like really good advice for your situation. Gets them out but with love, (and no sleepless nights wondering if they are starving) As I said, my daughter lives with us but by mutual agreement as the best for her situation. As it is, we have a big house and she is a very quiet person. We have told her that when the time comes, she doesn't have to move unless she wants to. I really don't believe anyone should have to live alone unless they want to. But with your sons, they have each other. And theirs seems to be more sloth rather than loneliness.
My son was a different story. Very independent, almost to a fault! He wanted to do it all on his own, so the balance we had to find was 'helping' him not starve while he found his independence! Lots of sleepless nights there!
I think one of the biggest differences between our generation and the latest is that we more often than not married into/out of the parents house. At least for the girls. Independence by default. Kids now days wait later to marry so moving out of the parents house isn't just a natural. I think they (rightly or wrongly?) feel parents home is their home, so it's kind of a shock to be asked to leave.
When you think about it, the parameters have change drastically over just a few generations. Our parents often had several generations living under the same roof, very common. Our generation couldn't wait to move out, and now our kids don't want to move out. And now, economies as they are, we are exploring several generations living under the same roof again. It worked before, why can't it work again? Maybe it can't. Maybe our expectations have changed so much that we can't envision doing what our parent took for granted. Evolution is always an uncertain time. What works for one family won't work for another.
I know this doesn't help you, but know you aren't alone. Maybe if you can't get your husband to back you in making them move, maybe he could back you in setting parameters and responsibilities. Think about our parents, or grandparents generation. How did they make it work? If they could act like adults with all the responsibility and 'mantel' if you will of being adults, perhaps it could work.
i think that co-housing is one thing, housing for a specific duration (while paying debt or saving for a home) is another, and that being a burden is another one altogether.
these boys seem like they are being a burden. so, it's time to get them out of the nest. they can come back for a purpose (choosing, housing for a specific duration), but otherwise, no.
my sister and I have been out of the house since we were 18. we just weren't allowed back in UNLESS it was specific. they'd never leave us homeless, but we couldn't be a burden.
I don't understand either....I could not wait to get the heck out of my parents house! I went back for a year and it was the worst thing ever!
I would definitely raise the rent, increase the chores, stop paying for their food/cell phones/etc., and give them a time line to move on out!
ApatheticNoMore
12-15-11, 1:29am
I really become way more open to it when I think that the question is always asked "how can we survive in an economy with less growth?", and well if we take the question seriously and more than just rhetorically, more people living together is one way! One REAL answer, that we can do, it doesn't even require an act of congress. New ways of thinking are needed if we are to take these problems seriously. Turn and face the strange - ch ch ch changes. But again the particulars of how much dysfunction actually tend to exists in the parent child/relationship make this really not a very good solution in many cases.
It really has to have the same elements present in any working relationship or community or roommate situation: everyone understanding they need to help contribute (even if the contributions aren't monetary - labor then), and the living arrangements being mutually beneficially to all participants (kid gets reduced rent, parents get extra income from rent to put toward their goals - earlier retirement - or whatever - assuming extra money is useful to their goals in life. Everyone contributes to chores). Because all things not mutually beneficially will have very ugly power dynamics: it breaks down into a one-up one-down relationship: the more powerful person is always the person giving more, which is resented by the less powerful person, and rebelled against etc. etc. (probably a direct carryover from childhood).
So to say: "children still living with parents after x age is always bad", suits pop moralists (cough Dr Phil) but this fails to see the potential for "win-win". Though I still think "win-win" is rare here due maybe not just to family dynamics but also to the extreme isiolation of the nuclear family (this probably worked better with large extended families!).
Many people are probably better off living with friends or strangers if they do group living.
I couldn't wait to get out of the house, but now live happily in a multigenerational household with my dad, husband and kids. It saves everyone a ton of money, makes efficient use of a space that would be larger than necessary if we didn't share it and gives everyone a few perks. Dad gets people to cook and clean and fix things and we get a free babysitter after 7:30 any night of the week. When Dad gets older he'll have seven people who love him to help take care of him and both him and my kids get to have a close relationship with their grandpa/grandkids. Financially, we have the security of living in an almost paid for house (small HELOC left to pay) and dad has the security of young healthy adults who are capable of working and paying bills so he can stretch his retirement savings.
I could see letting my kids live at home if that worked out. The older ones are 6 and 7 and already contribute actual help around the house, folding laundry, cleaning bathrooms, washing dishes and such. The 7.5 year old can make simple foods like omelets if she is supervised.
That said, your situation sounds completely different. I think it sounds like your boys need to get out and experience the real world.
I told my youngest son he had to leave when he turned 18. It was very, very difficult, but I was ready to be on my own after raising 2 sons as a single mother. My sons are both very independent and resourceful now. They are 37 and 42 now. They had to fend for themselves after 18 and it didn't hurt them one iota. Libby, I think any therapist worth his or her salt would tell you that your sons need to leave the nest. Even in this economy they should be able to make it, either together, or with roommates. Your husband may not want them to leave which makes it all the harder for you.
You have to put your foot down hard! And if nothing changes and you can't get them to budge - I have an idea. Why don't you tell them all (your husband included) that you are going to move out. Let them all fend for themselves. I know, I know, it is totally outside the box, but you should not be walked on.
I love my sons, but even today, if I let them, they might take advantage of me. I have earned their respect because I do not take **** from them or anyone else.
Libby,
Each case is so different and each family has many comples issues. I can write the book on How to Do Everything Wrong, yet everything was done for the best reasons with my sons. I am learning to stop being an enabler. This was my greatest fault. I could never see my sons in distress over a 1st grade paper or rent due. For my oldest the back door was always swinging. In Out In Out. Hindsight is 20/20. This was the biggest mistake I made out of all the Love mistakes. He is now home with us and will be for at least 1-2 years. His lack of taking responsibilty and my enabling crated a series of bad choices I have posted about. :(
To do it all again, those famous words. If he choose to not go to school fulltime, then it is just plain old life and get on with it. We all do it and what we can't afford since rent is due, we just can't have.
I think it can work IF everyone understands that all involved are adults and contribute equally. It sounds as if the OP is still functioning as mother rather than one of the co-equal adults living in the home where everyone takes responsibility for themselves per Stella's situation.
Fawn, your tiny house line, so true.
The next thing I have self analyzed over and over is that the Ability to pay for someone else's (my sons) bills makes one feel good, yet can be a Curse. I thought about it many times in the last few months. I was lucky that I did not have to worry about how to pay my bills, but if I had and there was no extra to pay their's, then I would not have placed that burden on myself. The son would have had to take over at 18 even younger perhaps dealing with real life issues, money, rent and such.
Float On
12-15-11, 10:02am
I have thought about making them do their own cooking but I know they would not clean up after themselves. .
If they don't clean up after themselves then they aren't allowed to cook or eat in there.
If they want to act like 3 year old you'll have to treat them like 3 year olds.
And you have got to get your husband on board.
It's your house, your rules.
You didn't say but are they bringing women home? That would just put me over the edge.
I think each situation can be vastly different. As Mira said earlier, its different if the child/children are really putting forth the effort to work, find a better job, help with housekeeping, cooking, cleaning, laundry, etc. and its temporary. But if the children are acting like they're still in gradeschool with no effort to help you or themselves, then its time for the tough love I mentioned earlier.
We love our children soooooo much. But when they come home for any length of time, its hard on all of us. We've all developed our own needs for independence and freedom and just living our lives the way we want to. Some kids are perfectly content to "sponge" off their parents indefinitely. Just because this isn't working for you doesn't mean you're being unloving or self-centered. Its just time for them to grow up and take on more responsibility for their lives. And its time for you to ask more for your own self.
Good luck. This is a difficult situation. (((hugs)))
Maybe it's time for you to take a long vacation alone and leave the men home alone to care for themselves. Let DH "see" how the boys are - do they clean up after themselves, put away their own food and clothes, clean the house, make the meals, buy the food, clean up afterwards, etc... - or will DH have to do all that himself if you aren't there to do it for them. DH may not realize how much work and effort you are actually putting in to taking care of the boys (and him too) and doesn't understand why you want them out - or at least want them to pull their own weight around the house and financially. Once he gets a chance to walk in your shoes, he may then give you the support you need.
As far as adult kids living at home - I think it's great if everyone is OK with it. As long as they are treated (and act) like adults. They shouldn't expect anything other then to be treated like what they are - paying roommates. The parents shouldn't do anything for them IMHO, especially cook, clean-up, shop for food and pay for it, or take care of any of the needs they would have to take care of themselves if out on their own. They shoud pay for their share of the utilities, their room rental fee and anything else they use. I think parents should make those things affordable to them - especially if they are out of work or going to school - but in exchange for reduced rent and help with other costs like food, internet, cable, phone, etc.. - the parents should demand they share household chores.
you are right, there, spartana.
i think a lot of people do not realize the amount of work home-making is. DH used to complain that i was a"always sitting around and doing nothing" when he got home from work. He assumed that's how I spent the day.
Forget the fact that the house was spotless, decluttered, and the baby well and happy (and usually sleeping at that stage because he was little).
When we moved here, I would always tidy several times a day (still do), usually before leaving the house. This was before the 20 minute walk to the bus plus 30-40 minute bus ride, eating an hour of my day that I used to spend cleaning.
now he gets frustrated because "the house isn't clean." No duh. I lost an hour a day TYVM.
So, we have figured out how to keep the house pretty organized and simple for us, but it also means that DH has to do a bit more work here and again. More dishes than he is used to, and currently all of the laundry (I can get the machine going, but need to leave before I can hang it most days). So, it's better for him to do it in the afternoons when he and DS are home.
He's never been one much for the cleaning part -- I do the actual cleaning -- but he'll keep it tidy now. I kept pointing out that tidy = no stress and not tidy = stress for him. SO, i told him, HE has to tidy. I'm away from home now from 11 am to 7:30 pm most days, and wednesdays it's 9 am to 7:30 pm, and on thursdays it's 12 pm until 9:30 pm. I'm not home to keep it tidy for him.
He gets very upset about "having to do everything" -- but the reality is that I was happy "doing everything" and would be happy continuing to "do everything" IF i had that extra hour.
but HE wanted to live out here with the commute, not me, and so this is the fall out. He has to do dishes and tidy and "do everything." So sad.
*cue world's smallest violin*
I hear you Zoe. I've always said I would rather work a 40 hour job (or more) with weekends and holidays and vacations off, then have to care for a family and home 24/7 365 days a year. Too hard for me! I wish I had a wife or Mom (who looked like Gerard Butler or Brad Pitt of course) who'd "do all" for me! Nothing like getting up in the morning with breakfast and coffee ready, a paper by the table, the kids fed and someone else taking them to school with lunches made, someone making my bed and cleaning my bathroom, and doing my laundry while I'm at work. Only to come home at night to food on the table, house clean, bills paid, kids bathed and dressed and homework done, shopping done, Dr.s appts taken care of, and Brad/Gerard looking stunning as they serve me my after-work martini, hand me my slippers and I have nothing else to do that day but play!!
I feel the same way. I didn't enjoy my work, but at least I had to spend only a finite amount of my life answering to somebody else. Born too soon for household cyborgs. Drat.
Bump....update in the original post
Well done and I hope that you enjoy your space!
UPDATE: I put my pointy toed boots on and got the job done! Both of my sons have now moved out. Thanks for all your comments and support.
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Great visual - those pointy toed boots!
You go girl!
Hope you are enjoying your space and more free time...
lhamo
very nice. i bet they like it too. :)
Way to go, mom! Those little birdies will be better off kicked out of the nest.
Wow Libby, that was fast!! Nice one! Let us know who's first to call you up to ask how to work a washing machine ;)
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