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Stella
12-22-11, 9:47pm
We are visiting my mom for the holidays and my sister has brought her toy yorkie. He's a cute little dog, but he spooks easily and he has, in the last 24 hours, bitten two of my kids. This dog is being treated like another one of the kids and now my nephew and cousin have taken to teasing my kids because they are afraid of the dog. My kids are being accused of taunting the dog because they are looking around corners to see if he is there and running away when they see him. Everyone is acting like the kids are being silly because they are afraid, but I think it's rational to be afraid of something that's bitten you. I'm not especially interested in keeping my toddler locked in a room so he doesn't ever walk past the dog and accidentally upset him.

I like dogs, but I think this is silly. If I had a dog that was biting and barking and snapping at people, I would remove it from the situation. It's clearly stressing out both the dog and the kids.

Tradd
12-22-11, 10:04pm
No, you are not off your rocker. Dog needs to be put in another room with the door closed. I can't believe an adult thinks a dog that has bitten kids is acceptable behavior for the dog.

ETA: this is another reason I'm not really fond of the yap yaps. Too excitable and all I've known like to bite.

AnneM
12-22-11, 10:07pm
Someone needs to speak with your sister and she needs to put the dog away in a place where he won't be around small children. Did she bring a crate? Biting dogs and small kids definitely do not mix.

I have large dogs, and if someone is coming over, even if I know they are dog people, it doesn't matter. My dogs are always put away so that there are no accidents.

bae
12-22-11, 10:09pm
Dogs are not alllowed to bite people. Especially children. Period.

iris lily
12-22-11, 10:10pm
Ridiculous.
Biting dogs belong in crates during large family gatherings. Period. This is for the dog's safety. Who gives a crap about the kids. ha ha! I am somewhat serious because in any match between biting dogs and and children, the dog always loses and often it's their life.

edited to add: oh I didn't read bae's response before my own. similar.

Miss Cellane
12-22-11, 10:23pm
Dog owners are responsible for protecting people from their dog, and their dog from people.

The dog should be restrained in some way and not allowed near your children unless under direct supervision of your sister.

The nephew and cousin should be made to stop the teasing immediately. If possible, the energy used for the teasing could be turned to a more profitable channel and they could help your kids learn to overcome their fear of the dog.

And your kids--well, after some hugs and kisses and reassurances that you will not let the dog hurt them again, if they aren't too freaked out, perhaps they could be re-introduced to the dog gradually, and under supervision.

After the first bite, I'd have been screaming bloody murder, and my sister would not have been allowed to let the dog near my kids again, until she could prove it would behave. Even the best behaved and well-trained dog can sometime break training, especially in a new situation, with lots of action and people and things going on.

I was bitten by a neighbor's dog when I was nine. It came out of nowhere, silently, bit me on the leg while I was riding my bike and disappeared. I fell off the bike, got badly scrapped up, and was terrified of dogs for many years after that. I'm fine now, but it was a long time before I could be in the same house with a dog.

peggy
12-22-11, 10:26pm
Oh don't get me started on yappy snappy smelly and stupid dogs. The sister and dog should both be put in a crate! No, dogs should never be allowed to bite/rule the house.

iris lily
12-22-11, 10:34pm
Oh don't get me started on yappy snappy smelly and stupid dogs.

Cat person.

flowerseverywhere
12-22-11, 11:30pm
a dog that bites people should be put down. Period. It only takes ones bite to a childs eye or face to cause untold misery. As a long distance bike rider I know numerous people who have been seriously bitten by dogs whose owners have said things like "he won't hurt you." I was charged three times this year, once I really thought I was going to get bit and once I would have gotten knocked off my bike if a kind mailman hadn't stopped to help me.

Of course this is coming from the family villian who has told family members with dogs they are welcome but leave the furry creatures home when the grandkids are here. Too big of a risk.

Stella, your only responsibility is to your own children. Do whatever is right for them, they cannot protect themselves and you need to do it.

Anne Lee
12-22-11, 11:54pm
The dog needs to be restrained otherwise it will become increasingly aggressive towards people that aren't part of your sister's "pack".

pony mom
12-22-11, 11:58pm
Would this situation be taken more seriously if the dog was a pit bull? People don't treat little dogs like dogs, more like spoiled babies, and when these babies make a mess or bite, nothing is done. Blame the owner, not the dog or kids. Dog should be put someplace to keep everyone safe, like a crate in the same room where everyone else is spending time.

The dog is probably fear aggressive and biting out of fear. My late adopted dog was the same but would only nip an ankle when the person walked away. Lots of positive training over her lifetime helped but I never trusted her with anyone she looked uncomfortable being near. It's in the dog's best interest for the owner to take the time and do some training and conditioning to keep everyone safe.

No bad dogs, only bad owners.

bae
12-23-11, 12:39am
a dog that bites people should be put down. Period.

Indeed, unless there are extenuating circumstances.

My grandfather bred dogs for 60+ years. He without exception culled any dogs that displayed aggression towards humans.

Jemima
12-23-11, 1:13am
Oh don't get me started on yappy snappy smelly and stupid dogs. The sister and dog should both be put in a crate! No, dogs should never be allowed to bite/rule the house.

I think I'm going to die laughing!!!:laff::laff::laff::laff::laff:

You are absolutely not out of line, Stella. If I had a pet that bit people, it would be *at home* in a crate, not at a family gathering.

Karma
12-23-11, 1:25am
I hate it when people let their pets hurt/scare others and don't do antything. When the second kid was bit and nothing done I would pack up my stuff and leave. Period.

iris lily
12-23-11, 1:28am
Indeed, unless there are extenuating circumstances.

My grandfather bred dogs for 60+ years. He without exception culled any dogs that displayed aggression towards humans.

Doing bulldog rescue, we put a fair number of them down. The latest was Ray Ray. He came to us from a drug addict. The addict's neighbors managed to get Ray Ray away from his bad home and turned him over to rescue. They were good people. Ray Ray was a goofy, happy bulldog until--out of the blue--he went after his foster mom AND foster dad while they were sitting on the sofa. Those silent crazed ones are the worst, and thank god no one was seriously hurt. Ray Ray is in doggie heaven now. We speculate that he was fed illegal drugs. But even if not that, we was not treated well in his short life.

At least my tiny monster (not a bulldog) growls and snaps and gives plenty of warning.

Simplemind
12-23-11, 2:23am
I love my dog but it is a dog. I don't understand people who cart their animals around to other people's homes as if they were bringing a human child. No matter how well trained my dog is I couldn't swear that it wouldn't exhibit negative behavior in an unfamiliar environment. Why would anybody put a dog's company over a childs safety?

domestic goddess
12-23-11, 3:37am
The dog is obviously stressed and should be placed in his own quiet place, away from the children. Just because the dog is small, that doesn't mean a serious injury won't occur. If the dog bites a child on the face, damage could be done to an eye. Stand your ground, Stella. A biting dog is never acceptable around children.

lizii
12-23-11, 4:28am
I certainly agree with others that a dog that growls or nips at humans, especially children, should be kept away from them.

My father raised Labs for years to take hunting...Labs are well known to be gentle and love people, but one of his favourite dogs bit my young brother on his face...probably my brother was teasing the dog, but my dad took his dog outside and shot him.

I did a lot of research before I bought a dog once I had retired. My grandkids were very small at that point and I wanted a dog that was gentle and easy going, especially around small kids. I chose a purebred Bichon Frise, and never once did she show any aggression, even if the kids roughhoused with her. Best dog I've ever had.

Wildflower
12-23-11, 5:21am
I've seen so many times young kids that tease, torment, and are downright physically abusive to dogs, both big and little, because no one has ever taught them how to treat a dog kindly, or any animal for that matter. Stella, I'm not saying that is the case here, but both dog and kids always need to be monitored when interacting.... I would say that with a toddler around, this little yorkie most likely needs to be crated for its and everyone else's safety. Toddlers and toy dogs are usually never a good mix unless an adult is monitoring the situation at all times.

Mrs-M
12-23-11, 7:47am
Your sisters dog has no right being around people in light of his temperament.

Mrs-M
12-23-11, 7:54am
Further adding, as a responsible dog owner, your sister should have taken prompt and immediate action and addressed the issue with intent, especially when it concerns little ones.

goldensmom
12-23-11, 8:00am
I am a dog person but a biting dog is not acceptable in the situation your describe. If you are being attacked and your dog bites the attacker to save your life then that is acceptable but that is not the case here so do whatever you feel is appropriate.

razz
12-23-11, 8:43am
With family it is essential to set boundaries for the support of everyone.

If no one else will create them, Stella, as the only adult in the room, it will fall on you. Anyone who permits or tolerates an excitable dog biting children is not an adult, mentally speaking.

Dogs should be kept as safe as the children for everyone's sake so separate them.

Teasing about being bitten is just as bad as the dog biting a child so boundaries needed badly there as well. Horrible to have a fear reinforced.

What a horrible memory your children will have from this visit! Why are you staying there?

Miss Cellane
12-23-11, 8:51am
I'm going to echo razz here. If the situation continues, with the dog allowed to roam free, and your children's attempts to protect themselves blamed as enticing the dog, and the teasing is allowed to continue, I'd pack up and leave. Your kids deserve a Christmas without fear of the dog.

You could give your mom and your sister one warning. "If the dog isn't controlled, for my kids' safety, I'm going to have to go back home." There will be all sorts of arguments from them as to why the dog isn't a threat, but you can stand your ground. "Mom, Sis, if the dog is more important than my kids, I see no reason to stay here." Then leave. It may take leaving to make your mom and your sister realize just how serious you are.

I put some of the blame on your mom, as well. If I were a host and a guest's dog bit one of my other guests, the dog would be out of my house instantly. I would never allow the other guests to be threaten by a dog.

I like dogs. I do not like dogs who are not properly trained and who are allowed to think they are the boss of the pack.

Mrs-M
12-23-11, 8:55am
Originally posted by Miss Cellane.
If I were a host and a guest's dog bit one of my other guests, the dog would be out of my house instantly.Bingo!

flowerseverywhere
12-23-11, 9:09am
With family it is essential to set boundaries for the support of everyone.

If no one else will create them, Stella, as the only adult in the room, it will fall on you. Anyone who permits or tolerates an excitable dog biting children is not an adult, mentally speaking.

Dogs should be kept as safe as the children for everyone's sake so separate them.

Teasing about being bitten is just as bad as the dog biting a child so boundaries needed badly there as well. Horrible to have a fear reinforced.

What a horrible memory your children will have from this visit! Why are you staying there?

Yes, teasing is really child abuse in my opinion. And you are risking your children spending a life fearful of dogs.

No amount of money in the world is worth subjecting your children to this. There are hotels everywhere and you can make the money back in some other ways.

I can't tell you how strongly I feel about this. We had two dogs in the past and both were large labs, and both were trained to walk without a leash and obey hand commands. I loved them but if they ever hurt anyone they would be gone in a heartbeat. We did not replace the last one after he died at age 14 due to natural causes because I live in a neighborhood full of young kids and have grandchildren over. People are number one.

goldensmom
12-23-11, 9:35am
Just thought of this. I separate dogs and children because of an incident that happened many years ago when a child was 'playing' with my small dog, threw it on the ground and broke it's let. Thereafter the dog would hide under the sofa and whimper whenever a child entered the house. Keep both the child and the dog safe.

Float On
12-23-11, 9:54am
I don't care what kind of great dog I have (and I've had some great ones) I always put the dog either in the laundry room or out in the kennel when people come over. I know either people can excite a dog or people have fears or some strange accident could happen and as a home owner it's my responsibility to make guests feel safe.

peggy
12-23-11, 9:55am
Cat person.

HaHaHa actually, I like dogs just fine, I just don't care for snappy yappy dogs. And people who insist on bringing their snappy yappy little (let's face it, more often than not they are little ones) dogs everywhere just drive me nuts! Believe it or not my SIL brought her nasty little dog to my FIL funeral and was laughing out loud as her stupid little dog snapped at anyone who happened to come near her. Stupid dog, stupid woman!
But I do like dogs (and cats) The best dog I ever had was a collie. Great dog!

iris lily
12-23-11, 10:15am
HaHaHa actually, I like dogs just fine, I just don't care for snappy yappy dogs. And people who insist on bringing their snappy yappy little (let's face it, more often than not they are little ones) dogs everywhere just drive me nuts! Believe it or not my SIL brought her nasty little dog to my FIL funeral and was laughing out loud as her stupid little dog snapped at anyone who happened to come near her. Stupid dog, stupid woman!
But I do like dogs (and cats) The best dog I ever had was a collie. Great dog!

Oh I know, I was just rattling your cage.

I have joined the rank of small dog owners. The cutest, tiniest dog we've ever had is also the only one who has ever bit me. And she never shuts up. Yap yap yap. But the main problem is that she want to kill her sister and so, we have to keep them separated. Forever, for the rest of their lives. Ugh. How long do Frenchies live, now? She is ten years old I am counting the days.

edited to add:
my little Tazmanian Devil is a giant of a dog at 16 lbs when compared to Yorkies. My friend has a Yorkie who is 4 lbs fully grown. She is like a bird when you pick her up, bird bones. There is no substance there.

lmerullo
12-23-11, 10:15am
What a difficult situation you are facing. It's not just kids vs dog, but the whole mom / sister / mom dynamic, too.

First, I gather that you and your children have little experience with dogs. A short lesson in acceptable behaviour around this dog should be given. You need to explain to your kids that they can not poke, pull, or prod the dog. Don't walk past the dog with food. Don't EVER touch the dog's food, bedding/ sleeping place or toys. Don't run away if the dog is coming for you (a hard one) - and with this dog, even though I am a dog lover, I would let the kids kick the dog if it goes for them. Remain calm and don't scream or yell. That may be near impossible for little kids who are scared, but it does make matters worse.

Having said all of the above, I am in no way blaming the kids for getting bitten.

The dog owner must not leave the dog unsupervised. I agree that the dog needs a safe place to retreat to if the dog is excitable. A crate trained dog is normally well behaved, as they can separate themselves when nervous, etc. This dog needs a safe harbor, be that a crate or a bedroom with the door closed. When the dog is allowed free access, it should never be unmonitored.


Not all dogs that bite need to be put down, in my opinion. Occasionally, there is a reason. When my kids were young, the whole family was in the front yard playing, including our big, easy going black lab. The dog was very well trained, and had been rejected from a well regarded training program for the government. The reason for rejection was their high standards, not anything to do with the dog being pet-worthy. We were throwing a tennis ball for the dog to chase and retrieve. The neighbor boy came over and grabbed the dog's tennis ball and started to run. The dog chased him, and tried to get the ball from him with it's mouth - and this all LOOKED like the dog bit the boy on the hand. The kid's reaction would have led you to think he had been attacked! There was a cut on the boy's finger, not big enough to require stitches. It could have turned out much differently if we all weren't there to explain exactly what had occurred, as the parents did make a complaint to animal services.

Stella
12-23-11, 10:37am
What a horrible memory your children will have from this visit! Why are you staying there?

Because my sister has cancer with a 25% survival rate and the reality is that I may never see her again. This isn't some normal, "we'll try this again in a year or two" type Christmas. I drove 2000 miles with my four little kids to be here because my extremely ill sister and my very elderly grandparents were going to be here. If we left, we would have to go home, which is halfway across the United States, which means that we will exhaust all other options before resorting to leaving. I'm hesitant to let a 5lb dog ruin this for us.

The dog ended up biting my grandma and getting put in the bathroom. I'm going to talk to my mom this morning about the situation to make sure it doesn't happen again.

flowerseverywhere
12-23-11, 11:26am
Stella, the best you can do is use this as a learning experience with your kids. I would be very sure to explain to them the circumstances and reassure them that you will protect them and stick up for them. Have a nice holiday and enjoy your family.

iris lily
12-23-11, 11:30am
Also, the dog savvy people need to take the little Yorkie for a walk 2 times daily. That's something that can be done for the health and mental wellness of the dog and will take her aggression down a notch. Rather than teasing your children, they need to stop up to the plate and actually DO something for the dog. Words are cheap.

Stella
12-23-11, 11:42am
Thanks flowerseverywhere! Iris, I agree. This morning, looking back on last night, I think my sister was exhausted and my nephew was hoping that he could make the situation go away by shutting the kids up about it because he's 10 and takes the easiest road. I talked to my mom and she didn't realize how bad things were and we have agreed to a plan.

I do feel bad for the dog too. He was very overwhelmed.

razz
12-23-11, 12:17pm
So sorry to hear about the cancer diagnosis, Stella. I am glad that you were able to find a solution to the situation.
Merry Christmas!

julia
12-23-11, 12:58pm
Unbelievable situation! My ex-MIL's dog bit my son on the face when he was 8 months old (thankfully he turned his head at just the right moment and the bite was only slight). It transpired that this was the first evidence of the dog having a brain tumour. I have NEVER felt comfortable when dogs are around children ever since. No matter how gentle the dog, there is no guarantee that accidents won't happen. I hope things resolve themselves, Stella, but you stick to your guns, girl. xx

Aqua Blue
12-23-11, 1:37pm
Don't give up on your sister! I have a friend who had bilateral breast cancer at dignosis. They gave her a one in one hundred chance of being alive at 5 years. It is now over 10years and she is doing well. I also know another woman who had pancreatic cancer with a grime out look and is doing well at 5+years.

I am a child free by choice person who loooooves dogs. But, I would most certainly not have this dog around your children. My experince is small dogs are nippy, particularly terriers, it is in their nature. Small moving objects are prey. I would also chime in with getting your children more dog comfortable at a later, less stressful date. In my extended family there has been a good mix of dog and little kids, I think both the child and the dog need to learn how to be around each other. Dumping a dog into a room with children not used to dogs doesn't usually have a good outcome.

bke
12-23-11, 3:32pm
Yeah Stella, not to change the subject here but I have a great aunt who has had breast cancer twice and is going strong in her eighties. I hope the dog situation quiets down. It sounds like your mother was going to be a big help. Enjoy your time with family and Merry Christmas.

mara61
12-24-11, 11:02am
After growing up with Yorkies, I never would want to see them around little kids. Especially the number it sounds like were at the house. They are too aggressive of a dog, regardless of size. As for the biting, it all depends on the circumstances. If someone is really tormenting an animal, they are going to get bit and it's not anyones fault but the individual doing the teasing. I know a lot of people don't agree with that but if a dog is well trained and there is nothing "wrong" with it, it's not going to bite unless provoked. I'm presuming your Grandmas was not provoking but the dog was probably so stressed at that point that any sudden movement was going to freak it out.

When you get home, try to find someone who has dogs and reintroduce the kids perhaps one at a time so they get comfortable. Too many people have pets to have children uncomfortable around them.

We had a German Shepherd, Black Lab and two cats (one being a Maine Coon mix). The ruler of the house was the little short haired rescue. My cats were not declawed since we knew we would have dogs and she only had to use them once on the Maine Coon mix for the rest to know who was the boss. She was in love with the German Shepherd, wouldn't leave him alone. Had to sleep with him, groomed him, etc...you could tell he didn't care for it, but put up with it. LOL

kally
12-24-11, 3:25pm
okay devil's advocate here: you can ask to have the dog put away in a room, but it IS her house and if that doesn't suit here I think you should just up and take the kids somewhere else. If there is nowhere else nearby go home.

Oh wait, is it your mom's house? Either way just take off if they won't do what you ask.

puglogic
12-24-11, 5:00pm
Admittedly, I'm a freak among dog people, but I am always astonished at how much people put up with from their dogs, even expressing a sort of subtle pride if they're difficult to live with. I am the boss of my pack. They act as I've taught them it's appropriate to act, and they do as I say - or they are removed and isolated from company. I won't own a dog that thinks it can behave any way it chooses....I don't think that's cute or funny at all. If they can't be trained to be good citizens, if they growl, bite, fight, threaten, whatever, then they need to be put to sleep, or put into a home where someone WANTS to be stressed out by their dog all the time. That's not us.

Sounds like another one of these stressed-out little dogs mishandled by its owners - bad for everyone involved, especially the dog. Stella, I'm glad you guys have a plan now, freeing you to focus on what's most important. Have a good Christmas together.

flowerseverywhere
12-25-11, 1:07am
After growing up with Yorkies, I never would want to see them around little kids. Especially the number it sounds like were at the house. They are too aggressive of a dog, regardless of size. As for the biting, it all depends on the circumstances. If someone is really tormenting an animal, they are going to get bit and it's not anyones fault but the individual doing the teasing. I know a lot of people don't agree with that but if a dog is well trained and there is nothing "wrong" with it, it's not going to bite unless provoked. I'm presuming your Grandmas was not provoking but the dog was probably so stressed at that point that any sudden movement was going to freak it out.

When you get home, try to find someone who has dogs and reintroduce the kids perhaps one at a time so they get comfortable. Too many people have pets to have children uncomfortable around them.

We had a German Shepherd, Black Lab and two cats (one being a Maine Coon mix). The ruler of the house was the little short haired rescue. My cats were not declawed since we knew we would have dogs and she only had to use them once on the Maine Coon mix for the rest to know who was the boss. She was in love with the German Shepherd, wouldn't leave him alone. Had to sleep with him, groomed him, etc...you could tell he didn't care for it, but put up with it. LOL

I have to disagree with the idea that someone was tormenting the dog. Kids run, make sudden moves, they yell, make all sorts of noise and are generally rambunctious. That is healthy kid behavior if they have grown up in a caring and creative environement. And breeds can be unpredictable regardless of what they are. As I posted before, as a long distance bike rider I know many people have been bit. One man was riding near his home and the most gentle and loving Black Lab turned on him and took a big chunk out of his leg. No once could explain why. Another friend raised a lovely mutt from a puppy and was attacked, they think she may have walked between the food dish and the dog and he snapped. No reasons why, no-one doing anythng wrong or taunting. Dogs are animals and sometimes long buried instincts suddenly surface.

However, the idea of making a special effort to have the kids be around dogs when they get home and everyone is relaxes is a great one.

mara61
12-25-11, 2:56pm
If someone is really tormenting an animal, they are going to get bit and it's not anyones fault but the individual doing the teasing. Is what I said. There is a difference between that and children, running, moving, yelling, etc, though the higher the numbers with an uncrated dog who is maybe not used to it is really a recipe for something not so great to happen...This goes with cats as well as dogs. Any animal is only going to take so much, some less than others. Perhaps I misunderstood, but I thought Stella had written that some of the cousins were intentionally irritating the dog. Many breeds of dogs don't mix well with children, even the ones that supposedly do. Not all temperments are sound and if something has happened in an animals past that someone doesn't know about, many things can happen. I don't want to argue or disagree, I can only go off my experiences with dogs. I am really sorry about what happened to your friend. Animals and their food can be a sticky situation. It was one of the rules we had with our children and the dogs, never put your hands or body near their dishes while they were eating because of the exact thing that happened to your friend. Our dogs never did it, but you never know and we preferred to er on the side of caution.

Yorkies are not nice little dogs to have around young children. I can only speak from my experience having them in my home for almost 15 years, helping my mom show them and helping with the puppies. My nieces and nephews were all young when the yorkies came about and the kids that were the irritators were the ones that would almost get nipped. It only took one time for them to realize that, that behavior was wrong (the dogs were crated when they came over (because young children picking up small easily breakable dogs is not a good idea), but the boys would go to the crates and poke fingers...yes they were stopped, but my sisters weren't always that great about disciplining their children).

I was always extra cautious with our Shepherd, telling people not to put their hands over the fence or through. The barking was not a friendly bark, it was a warning but there are a lot of people who don't get the warning signs of an animal that might be panicked, protective and or irritated animal, either because they were never taught or they just don't care. With kids, I lean towards they haven't been taught yet unless I see otherwise.

Tenngal
12-25-11, 8:32pm
this is what muzzles and crates are for................

razz
12-26-11, 9:52am
Sometimes a storm is simply the confluence of ordinary things that haven't met before. No one was meaning to be harmful but because they had not encountered each other before, things needed sorting out. Sounds as though Stella has done this in a loving manner so the family gathering should and will go more smoothly.

Charity
12-27-11, 10:50am
My grandfather bred dogs for 60+ years. He without exception culled any dogs that displayed aggression towards humans.[/QUOTE]

Too bad we can't do this with people.

iris lily
12-27-11, 11:41am
My grandfather bred dogs for 60+ years. He without exception culled any dogs that displayed aggression towards humans.

Too bad we can't do this with people.[/QUOTE]

This is why I am in favor of capitol punishment. A few people are too monstrous to live among us in society, even in prison society.

peggy
12-27-11, 5:47pm
Too bad we can't do this with people.

This is why I am in favor of capitol punishment. A few people are too monstrous to live among us in society, even in prison society.[/QUOTE]

Actually I agree wih you on this.

larknm
12-27-11, 7:35pm
It is your duty to protect your kids from a dog they fear's having access to them, whatever it takes. You can't leave it to others--even if you have to leave the gathering altogether. I have known children who had to live with dogs they were so scared of they ran from room to room, slamming doors behind them. This is horrible for kids, and your kids will learn to fear other dogs and other things, from this experience if you can't make this part of the world safe for them by YOUR separating them and the dog.

pony mom
12-27-11, 11:45pm
Dogs just don't attack for no reason. A certain threshold has been crossed that is just too much for them to handle. Maybe he's just OK with kids, OK with crowds, good around his food. Put them all together and it's too much.

A growl is a good thing. It's a warning that the dog is uncomfortable and to stop whatever you're doing. Take away the growl, and you won't know something's coming.

Just a few things I learned when taking behavior modification classes with my adopted fear aggressive dog years ago.

Wildflower
12-27-11, 11:46pm
Stella, how is everything going? I hope this situation improved for all and you had a good trip.

Stella
12-28-11, 12:04am
Everything improved greatly. My mom talked to my sister and nephew and they started putting the dog in the bathroom whenever he got snippy. I think he was totally overwhelmed the first day because he wasn't quite as jumpy the next day. My sister sat with James and the dog for a while and worked with both of them on being around each other. The dog had a few more incidents where he got upset, but he didn't bite, just barked, and then he was removed. He was a little jealous of the attention my sister gave James, but in the end they both kind of liked each other. My nephew and Bella made up too.

The rest of the visit was great. It was so wonderful to see my mom, sister, nephew, aunt, cousin and grandparents again. We needed to connect.

DonkaDoo
1-10-12, 3:14pm
I have an 11yr old, healthy sized dog - 50lbs, and she has never biten anyone - but at the slightest sign of agression towards children or adults - she is put away.