Human's Alpha Hiarchy System ???

[heydude]

Animals have a hiarchy. An alpha dog leads the pack and the rest follow below. There is a hiarchy. Some are in the middle, some at the bottom.

This is true in humans, isn't it?

There are certain people that can walk in to a room and have everyone's attention. Certain people that can get you to do anything despite reason.

There are people that fight at the bottom.

There is a collective concious hiarchy. Whether or not you agree with that hiarchy, you know what it is.

Have a blonde haired thin blued eyed female from hollywood movies walk in to a room and sit next to a frumpy fat old woman. That old woman may be your grandma and you may love her to death, but you know what the hiarchy is and you know that she is below the blonde thin woman. Even if you do not like to date thin sickly looking blonde girls, you know they are at the top of the hiarchy.

We can disagree on minor details but collectively, we'd all for the most part put flash cards together in a line with certain people towards the top and certain people towards the bottom. Or, after meeting with them (to see that charm/charisma) etc.

Again, you may not personally agree with who is on top, but you know who is considered on top?

No?

A lot of things, I'm discovering, matter more about your assertiveness and ape like behaviour. The people that yell and scream and ask and demand get more than the people that see, on some sheet of paper, that says we each get the same amount, wait my turn, i'll get waited on next in line. This isn't always the case.

If you have the same exact resume than a taller person, statisically, the taller person will get the job.

Wouldn't you give better service to someone you thought was HOT than someone you thought was not? Sure, you may gave good service to the unhot person but if they were smoking hot, you'd go out of your way, woudn't you?

It does happen. Watch What would you do on ABC. The blond girls get help stealing bikes and the blacks get the police called on them. The same bike, same day, same hidden camera.

Even the blacks were calling the police on the blacks. (proving that you don't have to agree with the hiarchy, but YOU KNOW what the collective hiarachy is).

And the same blacks were not calling the police on the white girl.

Just some random thoughts getting me thinking. Been taught to always do the right thing, wait your turn, etc. but am finding out that more and more in life, it is about who is alpha, who is beta, etc. etc.

I mean, just look at the way, if you have money, you can get the rules bent.

(Minnesota Vikings igorning the Minneapolis City Charter. No one else could ignore it).

[bae]

I think I am a different species, thank goodness.

[Mrs-M]

Hierarchy, doesn't rank in my life (period).

[domestic goddess]

I think you will get very few people to admit that hierarchy matters to them, especially on this board. We are all very independent and open minded and darn proud of it, thank you very much! But some things are so ingrained that we participate and don't even realize we are. Or we swing to the other extreme; since skinny blondes are very much favored in our society, some go to the other extreme and devalue them just because of their looks, instead of treating them as they would any other stranger (if they are a stranger), or showing any preferential behavior. Neither is really the behavior of an independent, open-minded person, or bears the mark of one who is unaware of today's social hierarchy.

[ApatheticNoMore]

It's not conductive to human happiness to consciously approach life that way. Isn't that enough?

(Not conductive to human happiness may be debated by some, since the "I'm better than you" games are endless in their variety. Something to past the time until you die. And it does perform that function, but in many other ways it's detrimental to human happiness).

[heydude]

I do not bring it up to be all negative. I bring it up because I find myself at the bottom and I am trying to learn to be more assertive so that the squeeky wheel will be heard. It affects all those little things in life and it sucks when you don't stand up for yourself. I am very passive aggressive and I only raise this issue of alpha hiarchy in order that I may recognize how to possibly deal better in life for the better. That is all.

Just me rambling, mostly.

Even now, I am not speaking for myself. I am trying to get you guys to tell me what I should think. I need to learn to assert an idea or myself, even if it is wrong or I need to change it later. I am so open minded that I am open to always being wrong, too much perhaps because I never ask for anything then.

blah blah blah

GOOD POINT DOMESTIC GODNESS: If you go against the grain, you are still on the same piece of leather. hehe

[fidgiegirl]

LOL Vikings, you got it. During the whole thing people were wondering and wondering what would happen, and to me it was a no-brainer. I didn't even see the point in discussing it, because for the very reason you're bringing up, I knew what would happen and who would come out on top. And look what happened. :( Yep.

[iris lily]

dude, just so we are straight, I am more important than you. Got that?!!!!

ha ha ha ha

[bae]

dude, just so we are straight, I am more important than you. Got that?!!!!

ha ha ha ha

"All the world says,
"I am important;
I am separate from all the world.
I am important because I am separate,
Were I the same, I could never be important."

Yet here are three treasures
That I cherish and commend to you:
The first is compassion,
By which one finds courage.
The second is restraint,
By which one finds strength.
And the third is unimportance,
By which one finds influence."

[razz]

"All the world says,
"I am important;
I am separate from all the world.
I am important because I am separate,
Were I the same, I could never be important."

Yet here are three treasures
That I cherish and commend to you:
The first is compassion,
By which one finds courage.
The second is restraint,
By which one finds strength.
And the third is unimportance,
By which one finds influence."
+1

[peggy]

I do not bring it up to be all negative. I bring it up because I find myself at the bottom and I am trying to learn to be more assertive so that the squeeky wheel will be heard. It affects all those little things in life and it sucks when you don't stand up for yourself. I am very passive aggressive and I only raise this issue of alpha hiarchy in order that I may recognize how to possibly deal better in life for the better. That is all.

Just me rambling, mostly.

Even now, I am not speaking for myself. I am trying to get you guys to tell me what I should think. I need to learn to assert an idea or myself, even if it is wrong or I need to change it later. I am so open minded that I am open to always being wrong, too much perhaps because I never ask for anything then.

blah blah blah

GOOD POINT DOMESTIC GODNESS: If you go against the grain, you are still on the same piece of leather. hehe

I know what you are saying, I hear ya. And it is true, despite everyone denying it. Human nature is human nature, and we can try to change our perceptions, especially as we recognize them, but there you are. At the end of the day, we are simply human. Personally I find it a bit funny who is responding to this thread, mostly alpha types.
There is one experiment you can do yourself. I don't know you, are you the dude in the picture? If it is you, you seem confidant in your stride. Try this. Pick two department stores, or restaurants or whatever, that are similar in general attention and personnel. In one, enter with your head slightly down, shoulders rounded forward, and generally shuffling in, eyes down or shifting. In the other, step in, standing straight, shoulders squared, eyes forward. Pause in the doorway, scan the room casually, then stride in. Own the room, or pretend to if you don't really feel it. See how you are treated differently in each room. One attitude is the alpha and one the beta. No screaming required, just attitude and ownership of that attitude. It really does make a difference. And people will respond to each one differently.

[heydude]

wow peggy, i'm doing it!

[Wildflower]

I totally get what you're saying, heydude. My advice to you is to live your life honestly, with confidence, and treat others well.

I have never let the hiearchy or unfairness in life upset me too much. Karma has a way of evening things up. ;)

[Tussiemussies]

Yes, it is better to have a good charachter than aggressiveness. In my beliefs I do honestly feel that we take our same personalities with us when we pass on. I think that is what Jesus meant when he said the first will be last and the last will be first. Don't mean to get too religious here but it does make sense to me!

[awakenedsoul]

I know what you mean. Some people have a stronger presence, personality, and aura. Good health, nice grooming, a warm smile, and a happy disposition really help. I'm reading a good book called What To Say When You Talk To Yourself. It points out how our inner dialogue really affects the way others perceive us. There's a lot of emphasis on competition and dominance now, on television. I don't watch t.v. anymore for that reason. When you are focused on your dreams, and taking steps to achieve them, you raise your vibration. Love is the highest vibration. The challenge is not to get sucked down into the muck.

Reading your description, I realized that I have that type of body and look. It can work the other way, as well. A woman once told me, (describing how some neighbors felt about me, "When my mom got divorced, she was really pretty, and she was really skinny, and everyone hated her, too.") It was a backhanded compliment, and kind of funny. But, I worked with the top 1% in my field. I had to train my body several hours a day to get there, like a pro athlete. I really loved the women I performed with, and we had a blast together. We were compatible. We were achieving our dreams together, and it was an exciting time. The guys, too. I miss those days. I hope to find that kind of group connection again. For now I have it with animals and nature.

[Rogar]

Beta dogs have more fun.:)

[bae]

Beta dogs have more fun.:)

"Alpha children wear grey. They work much harder than we do, because they're so frightfully clever. I'm really awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard. And then we are much better than the Gammas and Deltas. Gammas are stupid. They all wear green, and Delta children wear khaki. Oh no, I don't want to play with Delta children. And Epsilons are still worse. They're too stupid to be able to read or write. Besides they wear black, which is such a beastly colour. I'm so glad I'm a Beta."

[Rogar]

Bae, I think Baeta may be the only one fitting for you? You forgot the Omegas, among whom there is little clothing left to go around. I did not realize there were so many classes of social hierarchy.

Not to make folly of the discussion, it's just something I don't think about much. It seems like there is something about our culture that rewards the aggressive, outgoing, and assertive and tries to fit people into that mold from a young age. Some people fit well into that behavior, but the naturally humble, shy, introverted, and bashful can be very unhappy trying to fill those shoes. I find those qualities to be wonderful gems that are increasingly more rare.

[Spartana]

HeY Dude - I understand what you are saying but not sure I agree with it 100%. I think that having confidence and a sense of "presence" or leadership or just general self-assuredness goes alot farther in determining if you are Alpha then looks or youth. If that "frumpy, fat old lady" on the bus appears to be a strong confident take-charge kind of person, and the "tall, blonde, beautiful, supermodel" hangs her head and appears timid and scared I believe that people will look to Granny as the alpha and not the cowering beauty. So personality, confidence and feeling powerful and worthy will go further then beauty and youth. Now if you have the combination of beauty, youth and confidence then that might be another matter, but often times, as another poster pointed out, there are just as many negative stereotypes about beautiful people (especially women - and blondes in particular) as being vacous, helpless, self-centered, vain, etc.. that many people will not choose the breauties as the alpha person in the room.