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Zoebird
7-18-12, 10:04am
So, at the end of the last thread which went a little haywire, we left off at the point where: 1. I had apologized for the incident hurting their feelings while also expressing that if they feel hurt, we should talk about it openly (rather than assuming that the other person has bad intentions, etc); and 2. I'd created several 'safety valves' for myself in regards to their holiday here.

One and two are coming along great. Everything's been basically smoothed over/ignored. I'm cool with this. For the second, DH is doing a decent job of figuring out the holiday, presenting stuff to his parents, and they seem to be happy to accept what he is telling them. I'm helping with some of the logistics (ie, calling accommodation, though DH chooses the accommodation).

But, what was nagging me was really the relationship itself -- or maybe even how I relate to them.

What I observed in myself is that I tend to "pick up" things that i don't need to. Like, just because they splinter, doesn't mean I have to be reactive about it.

In my nichiren prctice, I've set an intention into the part of the liturgy where that goes wherein I'll be better able to identify and not react to (or be more neutral toward) statements from family that might set me off -- whether his or mine.

What has been positive is that I have noticed this to be the case!

On the skype calls that we've had so far (i've been present at two and have missed one), my brain simply observes "that is a shaming statement about MILs discomfort with X." and then "that is a splintering process." and sometimes "that is an interesting manipulation technique." It's all neutral, as if i'm simply filing things as they happen, or putting them into the decluttering piles of "information to keep, information to trash, information to pass along, etc."

I noted that the average skype call has about 1/10th stuff to absolutely trash; and of the remaining 90%, there's a fair amount to keep, and to pass on (say, to my family, such as how GMIL's health is doing these days), and some of it is just info that we recycle back to them (to follow up on).

So, it's obviously "not all bad."

And what I also noted is that I don't have any strong reaction/feeling toward this 10% bad thing. At most, it comes up as "huh, interesting. I wonder what FIL was upset about, really? Poor guy, must be really upset about something." And then that was it.

What I find equally interesting -- and mentioned above -- that the same thing is happening with my phone calls with my parents. This past skype call with them had three elements that would normally upset me (and head into the resentment category or resentment triggers anyway), and yet none of them did. My mother mentioned something about weight (my weight/diet), and my mind just went "projection; upset about sister/self/dad" this would be because my sister and dad were both in the hospital (different hospitals) at different times, likely due to some issue related to their weight (DSis is prediabetic; Dad is type 2 diabetic). Whenever they get upset about their weight, they inform me that I need to go on a diet and exercise more, and ask my sister for advice on such things. So, it's a total projection.

I would say that 3-4 weeks ago when this happened, and when ever it's happened over the last 10 years, I would get seriously upset, frustrated, angry, hurt, whatever.

But for some reason, it's just been "huh, interesting." And then it goes into the "compost bin" so to speak.

This has really made my life easier, and also relating to both families easier. So, that's nice.

iris lily
7-18-12, 10:33am
yep, that's the way to do it!

Float On
7-18-12, 11:11am
I have to agree.
You have to just choose to not let it affect you in the long term.
After 22 years of comments from DH's east coast family. I've learned to just say "hmmm, well that's an interesting thought.....I think I'll go for a walk." I do a lot of walking when we go visit. :treadmill:

jennipurrr
7-18-12, 11:51am
I like the analogy of the compost bin...I still haven't started a real one, so at least I can have a mental one :) I'm glad to hear this strategy is working for you. I am not a big fan of "inspirational" quotes, but I printed this one out that a friend shared on FB..."There is a huge amount of freedom that comes to you when you take nothing personally."— DON MIGUEL RUIZ

sweetana3
7-18-12, 11:53am
Perfect. A much healthier way to deal with family conversations. Dont let the "bad" affect you negatively but be able to recognize and respond to the "good".

razz
7-18-12, 12:35pm
Well done!!

puglogic
7-18-12, 3:40pm
Excellent. I think Martha Beck has a term for this (many folks do) -- she calls it "going to the balcony." Just observing, not reacting, not wasting energy judging, not engaging just for the sake of engaging. Love your evolution, Zoebird.

Zoebird
7-18-12, 5:36pm
thanks guys.

i just noticed that i would get through a call without being upset, and then get finished with it and not be upset, and then not think about it at all. which was nice.

then i noticed how i was noticing and not reacting. lol

Fawn
7-18-12, 9:24pm
Keep it up. And after a while you will notice something else....relationships are a dance. When you change your steps, they have to change theirs. It's fascinating when you are "just notiicing" and not reacting. :)

Zoebird
7-20-12, 8:17pm
today's skype call was really easy.

there were a few things about wills, voting, and such -- pressure for us to "get those things sorted." They are already sorted, so I just observed their anxiety. there was a brief discussion on politics, to which neither DH or I responded. It just seemed obvious that they were ill-informed and going to vote along the lines of their friends, which is what they always do anyway. LOL So, no need to react there.

Otherwise, they showed us some of their projects (FIL is a wood turner; MIL does sewing related arts) and DS had a conversation about pirates that made no sense, and then DH and his parents talked about the holiday a bit.

I was tidying the house and getting ready to work today, so I didn't have a lto of time online with them, but overall, I would say it was good and there were only two splinters. And the call was an hour and a half.

So, that's good stuff.

DH also picked up a tactic of choosing topics to discuss beforehand, things that will be about daily lives and such, but not too deep. "Safe topics" I guess. :)

puglogic
7-21-12, 1:58pm
Kudos to you AND your DH. Good tactic :)

Zoebird
7-21-12, 6:17pm
Today's email from them was funny as it was very heavy-handed about making sure we have our wills sorted.

We've had our wills sorted (and guardianship for DS) since before we left for NZ. They know this, as we gave them a copy (we have so many copies -- but we gave copies to my parents, my ILs, the legal guardians, our temporary guardian here in NZ, our lawyer in the US, our lawyer here in NZ, we have a copy, and we put our lawyers in the US and NZ's names on our consulate registry when we arrived).

But then we realized that this was about their anxiety. This year, so many young people in their lives have died. DH's childhood friend; three of DH's school mates (all from different things); one of the church's young people (aged 24); and now one of DH's cousins (mid-20s) might also have cancer.

So, that's what this was about, and when we recognized that (in about a minute or two after reading the email).

DH wrote back reminding them of the will that they have a copy of (and who else has a copy), and then thanked them for reminding him because he knew that they were just concerned about DS's well being should anything terrible happen such as they have seen with so many young people recently.

We also said that we felt that it must be a difficult struggle for them to watch so many young people in their community pass, and that it's a sad thing indeed.

I think it's a good way of going. I don't want to spend a lot of time reading minds, btu I think that's at least do-able in this instance.

leslieann
7-22-12, 7:32pm
Good for you, Zoebird. And it isn't mind reading to pay attention to the feelings as well as the words. That's called active listening. DH's return emaiil sounds like it addressed both the verbal content and also the (unvoiced) emotional content. They may be experience that as really being heard. I bet you will find all sorts of things shifting, now that you have been able to detach and observe and reflect.

I am glad that you are not struggling/suffering so much about the upcoming holiday. Life's too short.

Zoebird
7-22-12, 10:58pm
Well, we still are working through the daily tasks that help us prepare for the holiday, but we're certainly not as freaked out about it. We feel that we currently have a lot of strategies in place, and we are using the skype calls (and emails) to practice as well.

I do hear what you are saying about active listening, and I think that is the case in this instance. In other instances, where we are not doing what they want (ie, in this instance, we did what they want and we have a will, whereas in other instances, we do not do what they want because we do not think it is right or necessary, such as keeping DS from eating popcorn until he is at least 12), we have learned to say "Yes, I know that that situation was very upsetting to you (young Elijah, age 5, from their church died choking on popcorn), but it's just not realistic for our family" or "we are choosing to go about things differently." and then change the subject. And then, next time it comes up, say "yes, I know it was upsetting, but it's not up for discussion."

Which has seemed to be ok, so far. It still comes up, but it's getting easier to flip things around.