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gimmethesimplelife
9-2-12, 8:44am
I have been participating in the SOAR Program through the Department of Economic Services here in Arizona - it is a series of workshops that are supposed to help you find work more quickly in this economy. I am amazed at what professionals have to deal with to find work these days, absolutely amazed. There was a story told of one person who was about to be offered a job but a hiring manager changed their mind as the candidate did not push their chair back to where it was after the interview - the hiring manager basically stated that if this person was not going to follow through with a small detail like that, what else would they not follow through with? Amazing. I have to deal with secret shoppers and no control at all over any of the variables and no way of knowing what my income will be BUT it is dawning on me that those in positions paying better than what I do - they have their insanity to deal with too. Another case in point is a lady in my SOAR class who was fired for faling asleep behind the wheel of her car - she was pulled over and took the tests and scored zero on alcohol but was arrested for DUI anyway as in Arizona DUI now means driving under the influence of a lack of sleep, too. So she lost her job for that. Crazy. I wonder, seriously, after hearing this, if I should ever drive in the US again? Why put myself at that kind of risk? And is working in the US even worth it? I really wonder......but I am seeing that in some ways I have been spoiled waiting tables as I have not had to deal with these kinds of issues. It has been a real eye opener and maybe I should just suck it up and wait tables and do something on the side self employed.....This SOAR program has really made me question the validity of any upward movement in the workplace for me and whether it is even worth it to me, and has further made me question the validity of working for someone else.....Rob
There are anecdotal stories about each and every job and industry. Yes, some are crazy but not all are crazy. In fact, most are not crazy. Years ago EDS would make an offer of a job to a potential emplyee but they had to make the decision right then and there and had no time to talk to spouse or anyone else. You did what you were told (ala military). IBM used to be called "Ive Been Moved". Couldn't or did not want to then goodbye.
What is given as an excuse for not hiring is often not totally accurate. Remember that stories are often retold and retold with significant changes and are from the prespective of the person involved. When trying to figure out who to hire when a hundred people want the job, little things are important. Whether this was the one issue, who knows? And an employer has the right to choose so long as they are not discrimating on specific classes of employees.
Would any employer and their insurance company feel comfortable hiring/keeping someone with a DUI on record? For whatever reason? What was the woman doing to get her pulled over? If she was sleeping and the car was weaving all over the road, I for one am glad she was pulled over before she killed someone or ran over someone. Being too tired to stay alert and aware and driving erratically deserves a DUI when it is noticeable enough to the police and causes them to pull you over. But I bet there is a lot more to this story than just her side.
Rob, it is a tough world out there and I hope the stories dont put you off totally.
Rob, it's hard to know what the other extenuating circumstances may be. Who told these stories? The people who lost their jobs? Did the guy who didn't push his chair in tell you that?
Is it possible that this woman who fell asleep and was subsequently fired was also not a great worker to begin with? In my experience, if you're a great worker, one incident isn't going to make a company shoot themselves in the foot by letting go of a resource asset. Shoot, I deliberately defied my boss's orders to come to work by taking a 3 day leave that I gave myself, heard my boss tell me not to come back, and she later recanted and I worked for her happily for many years.
I am not an apologist for corporate hiring procedures, but I've been on the other side of the table, and you can smell a foul attitude a mile away. I've had prospective employees interview ME, by asking if they'll ever have to work more than 40 hours a week, or if there's any flexibility, etc.
Obviously I've had my own questions about working for someone else, which is why I'm currently self-employed, and quite successfully so, but I attribute my success in part to "sucking up" to the reality of the corporate workplace and working my butt off with a smile on my face so that I could pack up my skills I acquired through the "free training" I got on the workplace to start my own business.
Good luck, and know that you are the creator of your own experience. You don't have to be either of those people you described.
There is certainly suck every where you go- no occupation is exempt from it.
Story to add to Catherine's point about attitude: a few years ago I had an opening for a test engineer. The way it often works in software is that things get insanely busy at the end, and there is often a lot of unpaid overtime. I interviewed a candidate, and before I could even explain what the job was all about, she told me she wouldn't get there until after 9:30, she was going to leave by 2, she wouldn't show up if there was a snow day, and she wasn't working any overtime. Yeah, she wasn't the one I hired. :laff:
I've found, throughout my work for 5 different companies in the last 15 years, that when I'm willing to work hard and remain flexible with various requirements and changes from my employer, they are willing to accommodate my life as well. I'm a nurse. Weekends, nights, overtime, staffing emergencies, inspections are part of the picture at various times. But I've been given time off every time I've asked. One boss even let me work half days for full salary for several weeks when my daughter in law had health problems and needed me. For 15 years I have heard people complain about not getting what they need, vacation denied, etc. But that has not been my experience at all. I give 100% at work and often volunteer for extra projects and change my schedule to benefit my employers needs, and also I totally leave it behind when I clock out. And the bosses I've had have always treated me well in return.
I wouldn't believe all those sad stories. It's only one small part of a bigger picture.
I get what Rob is saying. Reminds me of Barbara Ehrenreich's book "Bait and Switch": http://www.amazon.com/Bait-Switch-Futile-Pursuit-American/dp/0805081240/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1346600500&sr=1-6&keywords=barbara+ehrenreich
Job hunters are left to puzzle out what reasons they are failing to find employment. Even though we are in a deep recession, and hundreds of thousands of middle-class jobs are gone forever, they are taught to blame themselves instead of looking at the bigger picture.
One example given: a man wearing a blue shirt instead of a white shirt in seeking an office job was not "professional" enough. For women and men it's making sure you look young enough, so no grey hair and no work history older than 15 years on your resume. You have to appear eager, but not too eager. You go for repeated interviews for a single position and then don't get the courtesy of a notice, so you wonder if you should contact them to find out the status of the job opening.
It's maddening and frustrating and sad and crazy-making all at the same time.
Maybe I'm spoiled by healthcare ... An environment where lay offs are rare and our skills are in demand ....
Hopefully my first post doesn't come off as heartless . Not my intention ....
There's always people who are negative, and listening to their stuff can paint the world much differently than it is. If I were looking for work the last thing I would want to do is hear skewed negativity ..... I have not been in that sitiation. However, my thoughts do apply to experience with people who love to complain about politcs, religion, neighbors, etc. I just don't have time nor interest to join in their partially imagined dystopia.
Unless you're lucky enough to find your one true calling, work mostly sucks, IMO. If you're good at mental gyrations, you can train yourself to endure it with a minimum of fuss. Once in awhile, you'll end up in a work crew of like-minded galley slaves who will make the ordeal easier to bear. Such is life here in the penal dimension... http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/artists/snoozer/puzzle.gif
try2bfrugal
9-2-12, 3:25pm
I used to have to fire people at my last corporate job. Almost no one getting fired would ever tell their co-workers the truth. They always made up crazy stories to make themselves look like the victim - especially the ones who got zero work done so all of their coworkers had to pick up the slack. That is not to say there aren't crazy bosses and people who get fired unjustly, but there is often another side to the story, so I would take what any one person tells you about their job with a grain of salt.
The only way I know to be more in control is to either work for yourself or develop highly in demand job skills - if you can do both, even better. Research shows it takes 10,000 hours of deliberate practice to become an expert in a given field. That is the average amount of time most people spending watching TV over 6 years (30 hours a week).
I agree with most of what's been posted, but I think we're talking about 2 different things: people who are trying to get a job, and people who already have a job.
If you haven't had to look for a job in the last 5 years, count yourself lucky. Remember last year when McDonalds advertised they were going to hire 50,000 people in one day? Well, over ONE MILLION people applied for those jobs.
http://www.newser.com/story/117732/mcdonalds-hires-62k-but-more-than-1-million-applied-for-a-mcjob.html
People trying to get a job: I remember hearing from multiple sources several years ago that employers wouldn't even consider someone for a position unless the candidate was currently employed. Apparently, there were job postings that even mentioned this. I thought that was waaaayyy over the top, particularly that many people were out of work through absolutely no fault of their own - lots of companies were going out of business or severely cutting back because their business had decreased.
I've also come to the conclusion that people currently looking for work don't realize that the rules have changed. You can't go into an interview for a position where it's customary there will be some extra hours, saying right off the bat that you won't work those extra hours - ever.
People who already have a job: You have to be flexible, willing to stretch if required. Yes, it's very common for employers now to demand more from their employees, to try to get the work of more people done with less employees than before the recession. It's a fact of life now. Deal with it. You need to learn new skills, brush up on your current skills, keep informed on what is happening in your industry.
I found this story via LinkedIn today and found it very interesting. Women are proving to be more flexible in this economy than the men, at least in some areas of the country.
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/02/magazine/who-wears-the-pants-in-this-economy.html?pagewanted=all
ApatheticNoMore
9-2-12, 8:29pm
I've been on the other side of the hiring desk too (where the decisions were made by a group of people) and I'll tell you many of the decisions that were made were OUTRIGHT IRRATIONAL. Of course I'm a Meyers Brigg T (at times so apart from people that I feel borderline aspergers but always test as a normie). So I want something concrete pointed to on why a person wasn't hired: they're experience wasn't that relevant to this job compared to another person, the other person has worked in this industry, they lack this skill or qualification, they failed the test, they showed up in jeans and tennis shoes, they were late to interview - ANYTHING! And with feeling people the decisions were made on things like "the vibe wasn't quite right" or "I thought we'd get along" :\ So that people with what I viewed as stellar background were rejected based on "vibes" and others got hired based on friendship potential.
I would tend to avoid those types of groups though Rob. Because the perspective you get from groups of unemployed people are dark (I attended a few), are personally toxic. It's not so much that:
There's always people who are negative, and listening to their stuff can paint the world much differently than it is. If I were looking for work the last thing I would want to do is hear skewed negativity ..... I have not been in that sitiation. However, my thoughts do apply to experience with people who love to complain about politcs, religion, neighbors, etc. I just don't have time nor interest to join in their partially imagined dystopia.
Because it's not even that their experience (calling it the 2nd Great Depression) at the time wasn't valid for them, but a lot of stories from older people in dying industries proved not all that relevant for me in a fairly vibrant industry. I was hopeless and then soon after I started looking for work I was employed. I didn't become employed because I was little miss hopeful. I became employed because someone wanted to hire me. But I stand absolutely by my assertion that such groups can be personally toxic. You can't spend all your time thinking about what is happening to someone over there who can't find work (and by sheer mathematics the poeple in those groups will tend toward the long time unemployed), and what the latest unemployment figures are etc., because you have to save yourself, just one foot in front of the other in your own personal journey toward work or other means of earning a living.
You can't go into an interview for a position where it's customary there will be some extra hours, saying right off the bat that you won't work those extra hours - ever.
Not like that no. But I have asked about overtime. I regard this as vital information. If I'm jumping into 80 hour weeks (for whatever the quoted salary) is, is it not utterly rational to want to know that? Real hourly rate might be pretty puny if that's what you are indeed doing. Pretty soon they will expect us to take jobs without even knowing the wage/salary and say "oh you'll find that out the first day of work, you'll also find out if there are any benefits then". Because taking a job without knowing anything about overtime policy IS akin to taking a job without knowing the wage, you don't know what the real hourly wage is! (I guess I'm speaking especially of salaried work where additional hours are unpaid) Of course not everything has to be asked directly, things like glassdoor.com are your friend as well.
Unless you're lucky enough to find your one true calling, work mostly sucks, IMO. If you're good at mental gyrations, you can train yourself to endure it with a minimum of fuss.
+1 and I've never been great at mental gyrations, my mind has never really been for sale (though my hours :( )
Once in awhile, you'll end up in a work crew of like-minded galley slaves who will make the ordeal easier to bear. Such is life here in the penal dimension...
+1 usually you won't, professional mentality is WEIRD IMO.
To get fired from a job takes some degree of deserving it (not necessarily anyone being at fault but at least a BAD FIT), but to not get hired for a job, doesn't even take that. It can just totally make very little sense. You just have to continue on in the hope if one thing doesn't work out another will, because even if the decisions are largely irrational like I said, I think they are irrational in a random way, and so if one interviewer doesn't like you for whatever irrational reason, another probably will (for another irrational reason)!!! And then you'll have a job and can do your best at it and maybe gain respect for reasons that actually make sense.
ANM, we've had difficulty finding candidates for three open positions in my department. Positions are salaried, but *some* extra hours are normal (maybe 5-10 a week) and expected during peak shipping season (spring-early fall). It's just a fact of live in international shipping (import). It's somewhat similar to CPAs working extra during tax season, although not nearly as bad (I've only been working a lot of hours this summer because we were short-handed, plus one person out a month due to bereavement leave and another out for about 6 weeks due to medical issues).
You don't go against the norm for your industry - in the midst of the extra hours season - and go into an interview refusing to work extra. Asking how much is fine,
My manager said a large number of the people she's interviewed have been just flakes in the interview. Mind you, these people came through a recruiter, not a posting somewhere. They're good on paper, but that's about it. Some have no shows of enthusiasm, no seemingly wanting to work here. Lumps on a log was how it was described to me.
Then there are the people who accept an offer and then refuse to start, saying they've been offered a few thousand more from their previous employer. There was one girl who pushed and pushed for management at my company to make a decision, even when originally they didn't want to give her what she asked for, salary-wise. Then when they did make an offer of what she wanted, and she accepted, she backed out almost immediately after accepting, having used my company as a tool to get what she wanted from her current employer.
Actions like this burn bridges.
awakenedsoul
9-2-12, 8:52pm
Rob,
I wouldn't listen to those stories. Although, as someone who is very conscientious, they don't bother me. I always push my chair in under the table. One time I was interviewing for a job teaching Yoga at 24 Hour Fitness. As I followed the manager to the office, I stopped and pushed a chair that was out in the way, back where it should be. I was afraid someone would trip over it. She stopped and stared at me. I was afraid I looked controlling. I got hired and did very well there. That's just my nature, to be responsible and keep things put away.
I would never drive if I was not alert and awake. I think it's reckless and irresponsible.
It's so important to focus on your talents and abilities as far as work. Oprah says, "Excellence is the best deterrent to racism." I know the corportate world is not for everyone, but there are other jobs. I've done all kinds of odd jobs to pay the bills: receptionist at an aerobics studio, house sitting, pet sitting, cashier at a farm, waitressing, babysitting, etc...
I think many people have a fantasy about self employment or owning your own business. I've done both. As my father told me, "You are still working for your customers." It's not as easy as it sounds. There are always challenges. My happiest times in my career were when I was achieving my goals and working with talented, like minded people. This group you are in sounds negative. It's better to study people who love their work and why.
There are idiots and less than easy to deal with people everywhere - from those looking for work to those offering the jobs. And the more you deal with in either of those positions, the more you're going to meet. It's par for the course - I think you just have to accept that's just how some people are, move on and hope the next is a little better.
That said I think it's a big reason a lot of people won't work for someone else - or have someone working under them. It really depends on weighing what is most important to you and going from there.
ApatheticNoMore
9-2-12, 11:36pm
This group you are in sounds negative. It's better to study people who love their work and why.
like I'm saying I'm wondering if you could just make a mathetmatical argument, of why unemployment support groups would tend so. Statistically wouldn't they tend toward having more of the long term unemployed? The short termers just flit in and out afterall .. And truly long term unemployment (years not months) after trying very hard to get a job would make anyone pessimistic about the economy. And thus maybe the advise for newly unemployed people to seek out support groups is very bad .... probably much better off for them emotionally to hang around with employed people (because you can easily tend to forget that that world exists too and is utterly normal).
Once I got a bad feeling about an interviewee from the way she put on her coat--very slowly, deliberately, making everyone wait while she buttoned up each button, one by one. It wasn't even that cold outside (but then, I tend to rush around without coats or if I've got them on they are never buttoned up.) I hired her anyway and regretted it. She was uber slow and couldn't complete an acceptable quantity of work. While the coat demo had made me think that at least she'd be thorough, she wasn't even that.
awakenedsoul
9-3-12, 11:54am
Loved your posts ApatheticNoMore and Iris Lily. So true! What's that Buddhist saying, "How you do anything is how you do everything." Some people make things more difficult, some people make things easier. I like to work with people who are punctual, upbeat, stay on schedule, finish what they start, and manage their money well. I also look for people who are dependable, reliable, mature, and consistent.
I just read two library books by successful people who loved their work. Carol Burnett's new book and Garry Marshall's new book. They are both about their successful careers in show business. Carol Burnett talks about how efficient they were on her show. My teacher was one of the dancers, and she was really talented. It was so inspiring to hear her stories.
Garry Marshall talks about how much fun it was to work with the cast of Happy Days. It was a huge success and they had a happy, grounded group of people. He said that Laverne and Shirley was hell. Constant fighting and drama. He went through a lot of challenges as a director. My teacher also worked on that show, as the choreographer. Garry never gave up, and really achieved greatness in his field. No one has it easy, even if if seems that way. Some jobs are better than others.
I found 2 new jobs in the last 5 years, both after one interview and they were the only places I applied. This result is highly dependent on what area you work in - not all sectors are bad right now.
It is crazy out there, I have been employed through this whole mess but underemployed. I did get an interview and even a teaching job once, I had a book in my bag about teaching children in poverty. However it was a very bad situation and I pretty much had a breakdown. I have been just surviving since then income wise, and I really love my job. That helps very much. I do NOT want to look for a job again, I almost never got interviews and had feelings I had missed something, but no way to even know what it was. Here is one of my other issues, since I am employed and have benefits I would be looking for jobs that pay better solely. You cannot find out what the pay range is for jobs! I at least cannot. Unless it is a teaching job I really do not see how to get any clue what a job might earn.
I did very much realize that when I was working at a retailer on the evenings and weekends for years and still subbing or looking for other jobs in my field that I felt really drug down. The retail situation can do that if your employer switches hours, cuts hours, increases work loads, etc. It didn't matter how many years you had, it seemed that everyone went through a time when their schedule was wrong, they were denied reasonable time off or their work was changed to the point they could not succeed.
I have one friend from there still. It is the hardest thing to see how bad her life is. The workplace frequently forgets she has cancer it seems and does not give her support to get her work done well. When I talk to her I get drug down. It makes me feel like a terrible person however I have to say that there is an element of her being part of the issues. When they give her feedback then she takes it extremely and as if she does nothing right instead of information on that task. She is also a trained nurse. She did try working in nursing however her son is severly autistic and if she ran late to pick him up he would react badly. I suggested school nurse and she said it was too hard to work with healthy children and nervous parents when her son is severely disabled. I don't understand it. She does not answer the phone very often and in that way I do not get drug down, I made a decision to not complain about work around her and it really has helped.
Right now I am more on the management side and don't get to hire. It is okay because the department does a pretty good job with hiring.I will tell you those little habits can make a huge difference however, being on time and wearing your required clothing is half of your job with me. I know a few former employees who will be complaining about me and the dress code or other issues. A few moved to other areas of the department and one came back afterstomping out a year and a half ago. I know they can complain however I have a good reputation as a supervisor so it won't go far.
Zoe Girl, totally agree on the showing up on time and following the dress code. It's not rocket science, but a lot of people seem to have difficulty with those two small things.
Adding to the list of preferred employee and employer traits is my number one - emotional maturity.
Understands the work place is about work, and not the place to hash out your grievances about your landlord, your spouse, your car mechanic, your HOA, your kid's teacher, etc. etc. by acting out this drama in the workplace. Not appropriate, and guess what, it doesn't really fix your original problem either.
I'm blessed to be in a work environment of real, actual, functioning adults and it's the main reason it's best place I've ever worked.
San Onofre Guy
9-5-12, 11:36am
I find this fascinating. I am interviewing 12 people tomorrow and Friday for a position that received 115 applications. Of those I only found 28 that on paper were qualified and I didn't have a very tough time getting those 28 down to 12. What I found to be a major shock was the vast amount of job changes that were not the fault of the applicant because the division was closed or the office relocated hundreds of miles away. Some of those who didn't get an interview have had such high level management or supervisor roles for 15-20 years just wouldn't be a good fit. It is sad to see people who for no fault of their own lost jobs to downsizing. I also noted that a lot of people have wasted a lot of money and time going to graduate school, either public administration, organization managment, or law school.
I will admit that a four year degree is required for anything that might be of a professional nature but very few people need a graduate degree. I really question someone who goes straight from undergraduate to graduate school for anything that isn't a hard science or medicine. Generally speaking young people with graduate degrees have a sense of entitlement and better than thou frame of mind. Much more valuable is someone who has gone out and worked for a living and then returned and earned a real graduate degree. I know many who earn a graduate degree part time in a field such as organization management or public administration who don't understand statistics and can't read a balance sheet. The touchy feely stuff in those programs sounds good, is fun and easy but not that valuable to an employer.
I find this fascinating. I am interviewing 12 people tomorrow and Friday for a position that received 115 applications. Of those I only found 28 that on paper were qualified and I didn't have a very tough time getting those 28 down to 12. What I found to be a major shock was the vast amount of job changes that were not the fault of the applicant because the division was closed or the office relocated hundreds of miles away. Some of those who didn't get an interview have had such high level management or supervisor roles for 15-20 years just wouldn't be a good fit. It is sad to see people who for no fault of their own lost jobs to downsizing. I also noted that a lot of people have wasted a lot of money and time going to graduate school, either public administration, organization managment, or law school.
I will admit that a four year degree is required for anything that might be of a professional nature but very few people need a graduate degree. I really question someone who goes straight from undergraduate to graduate school for anything that isn't a hard science or medicine. Generally speaking young people with graduate degrees have a sense of entitlement and better than thou frame of mind. Much more valuable is someone who has gone out and worked for a living and then returned and earned a real graduate degree. I know many who earn a graduate degree part time in a field such as organization management or public administration who don't understand statistics and can't read a balance sheet. The touchy feely stuff in those programs sounds good, is fun and easy but not that valuable to an employer.
Wow- it seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions about people without even meeting them! I feel sorry for the supervisors/managers though. Those middle management jobs have been gutted in the last decade. They applied for the job, why don't you think they would be a good fit? Too old? Expectations too high?
ApatheticNoMore
9-5-12, 12:11pm
Wow- it seems to me you are making a lot of assumptions about people without even meeting them!
I think it's just a way to cut through that many people, whittle the number down to managability, over 100 people is not even something anyone could deal with.
I really question someone who goes straight from undergraduate to graduate school for anything that isn't a hard science or medicine.
I work at a graduate school and I swear the students get younger every year. A few years back, they were in their late 20s and 30s. It would appear that most are about 23-24 so straight from undergrad.
I think it's just a way to cut through that many people, whittle the number down to managability, over 100 people is not even something anyone could deal with.
From what I read, he managed to get eliminate 87 right off the bat because they weren't qualified.
I'm not picking on SO Guy, but I'm curious why people in management are eliminated. How does a qualified 40 or 50-something person who was downsized ever get a chance at employment?? Clearly they can do the work and they obviously want the work. Why won't they fit in if you've never met them? How does an "overqualified" unemployed person convey that they can do the job and do it well?
we've also just finished interviews for a position on my team (we were looking for a Chinese local, so situation somewhat different, but process still relevant). We had 108 applications, did video pre-screening interviews of 13 of those (with a reserve pool of an additional 4-5 candidates we could have invited), and in-person interviews of 4 people. We would have been happy to make an offer to 3 of the 4 candidates. One was truly amazing, and I saw a lot of potential for our office making use of her background and skill set outside the program we are currently hiring for, but it would have been risky in a lot of ways (including asking her to take a MAJOR pay cut, along the lines of 50% of what her last position paid). In the end we offered the job to someone else who also seems very talented and capable (references were stellar and very detailed in their comments about her strengths and weaknesses), but who had directly relevant experience and who seemed like her personality would be an excellent fit for our small team.
I tried to be really careful not to weed out people who may have appeared overqualified when reviewing resumes. I'm especially sensitive to it because I know when I applied for my currnet position there were strong concerns that I might be overqualified and find it boring. I also had to take a significant pay cut (around 25%), but I was willing to do that and have now worked my way back to about what I was making before. For me having a sane and healthy work environment was key, and I have saved tons of money on therapy by changing jobs, so it was definitely worth it! I would caution people not to rule out those with higher-level experience prior to an interview, though. For someone who is a refugee from a bad situation, and who has a good work ethic, stepping down or back a bit is not a problem if the other aspects of the work are a good fit.
I do think personality and work ethic are hugely important, though. The one dud interview we had was with a woman whose main question at the end of a 2 hour interview session with three people was "how do you solve the lunch problem?" (Note: In China, many companies will provide lunch for their workers). We told her that the "lunch problem" was up to each employee to solve on their own, and that most of us brought our lunch and a few ordered from nearby restaurants. We then thanked her for her time and said goodbye.
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San Onofre Guy
9-5-12, 5:49pm
Actually those managment or supervisorial personnel currently have jobs. They got eliminated due to the fact that I need a field person with recent experience of dealing with front line personnel in difficult situations. I have experience filling this position in the past with people who while very qualified, had no had this "boots on the ground" experience for many years and quite frankly they were more suited for my job than the one they got hired for and they did not work out.
Some of the people getting interviews have supervisory experience but have the recent field experience which demonstrates that they can do the job.
While it isn't an issue now that I am 49, when I was 39 I hired someone ten years my senior who had more years in the industry than I. That fellow resented reporting to a less experience younger person until the day he left.
When you know what you need for a skill set, it is quite easy to whittle down a stack of applications. I have to say that many speak for themselves. When someone can't answer questions with coherent sentences and communication skills are important it is very easy. When you ask for a minimum of 5 years experience and a recent college grad with no relevant experience applies it is very easy.
Actually those managment or supervisorial personnel currently have jobs. They got eliminated due to the fact that I need a field person with recent experience of dealing with front line personnel in difficult situations. I have experience filling this position in the past with people who while very qualified, had no had this "boots on the ground" experience for many years and quite frankly they were more suited for my job than the one they got hired for and they did not work out.
Some of the people getting interviews have supervisory experience but have the recent field experience which demonstrates that they can do the job.
While it isn't an issue now that I am 49, when I was 39 I hired someone ten years my senior who had more years in the industry than I. That fellow resented reporting to a less experience younger person until the day he left.
When you know what you need for a skill set, it is quite easy to whittle down a stack of applications. I have to say that many speak for themselves. When someone can't answer questions with coherent sentences and communication skills are important it is very easy. When you ask for a minimum of 5 years experience and a recent college grad with no relevant experience applies it is very easy.
I'm relieved to hear that they already have work! :) I'm a little sensitive since I know people deemed "overqualified" and really, they just want to work without burning through their savings. Oh well, I suppose the work world isn't a meritocracy. There's always someone smarter, wittier, etc., etc.
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