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A generic question Re: the betterment of our home (SL Forum site).
Lately, I've been doing a lot of thinking Re: what sorts of things we could do (as a consorted group effort) to make this a better place. I've noticed for quite some time now, we have new members who sign-up, maybe post once to introduce themselves, then we don't hear hide-nor-hair of them again.
How about forum sub-headings. Do you think adding a few "new" forum sub-headings to the site would make for a more interesting board experience?
Just poking my feelers out there in hopes of hearing from you all Re:. TIA!
I read just about everything, but do not post much because I often have nothing to contribute. Even when I do post, well, I guess it is because I am weird or something, but I get the sense that what I share is not of interest to anyone else or that they think I am stupid. Which, by the way, I pretty much am.
It is only because I really like this place that I keep on, and when you wrote that new members do not post past introducing themselves, I might be totally wrong about this, but maybe they feel too shy to post. It can feel risky to share, especially when you have strong feelings about something, and I am guessing that many people are not all that interested in casual stuff like saying good for you, or that's cool and things like that.
As for the way the forum is set up, it seems just fine to me. When I come here, I bypass the main forum headings and just click on New Posts.
I think that the kind of people who are drawn here are fairly serious about living and having a more personal, responsible and planet-friendly life. At least it is for me. This site satisfies my desires and efforts to live more frugally, and I mean that in the best definition of that word, using what I have to its fullest potential.
I too usually click on NEW POSTS first and by the time I've read thru what has already been "New" I've run out of time to go to the FORUMS to start any new threads in the areas I moderate.
Jilly, I've enjoyed your posts of late and like what you said above about the kind of people drawn to this board.
I think that the kind of people who are drawn here are fairly serious about living and having a more personal, responsible and planet-friendly life. At least it is for me. This site satisfies my desires and efforts to live more frugally, and I mean that in the best definition of that word, using what I have to its fullest potential.
Seems a whole lot closer to insightful than stupid if you ask me.
treehugger
10-9-12, 11:52am
It is only because I really like this place that I keep on, and when you wrote that new members do not post past introducing themselves, I might be totally wrong about this, but maybe they feel too shy to post. It can feel risky to share, especially when you have strong feelings about something, and I am guessing that many people are not all that interested in casual stuff like saying good for you, or that's cool and things like that.
Yes, I think this is at least part of the answer, on forums of every type. There will always be people who come and go. People who lurk. People who post. That is the way of things, and I think it's working here well. Obviously, it's nice to have newcomers who become regulars, but I never want our lurkers or our only-once-in-a-blue-moon posters to feel they have to post regularly in order to feel like the are a part of this group. All are welcome, no matter how [much or little] you participate.
I also pretty much only read here by clicking on "New Posts," and I think a lot of people do (it's a great feature!), so I doubt adding more forums and making things more bureaucratic and byzantine would encourage more posting.
Kara
I'm a new poster, too.
And I second everything Jilly said.
Originally posted by Jilly.
Even when I do post, well, I guess it is because I am weird or something, but I get the sense that what I share is not of interest to anyone else or that they think I am stupid. Which, by the way, I pretty much am.Not so. Not only are you not weird, you are also not stupid. Without members posting about even the most trivial of things, this place wouldn't exist. I post about anything and everything, and I've been the brunt of a lot of criticism/sarcasm over it, yet that doesn't hold me back from posting.
sweetana3
10-9-12, 11:58am
It also takes awhile to feel comfortable answering questions or adding comments. Feeling out the place and people so to speak.
I think the current forum structure is good; I would not suggest big changes there.
But I think Jilly touches on a key point. As in any community, the most involved (here, the ones who post the most and respond most frequently) are typically the most serious about the topic at hand. That's A Good Thing (TM)! I admire these posters' energy and devotion, their ability to "walk their talk", and their willingness to share their experiences. As a result of their frequent posts, though, they -- inadvertantly -- establish norms here.
And the thing is that simple living is not a catechism. If we want to encourage new posters to stay on and keep the conversations going, I think we need to more openly embrace the many choices people make to live simply. I think very often we overlap frugality on simplicity and, while I readily see the connection, sometimes simplicity does not come cheap. Not all of us have the space or time or inclination to grow our own food, and, frankly, if making life simpler means groceries come from one weekly trip to the Walmart or Wegmans or Publix, there should be room for that here. For some of us, a reliable car is a necessity and we can make an argument for buying a brand new vehicle which we will then proceed to drive until it drops 10-20 years from now. It's no sin to have a car payment for a while if you can afford it. Not all family activities are FFF; while it's great that such opportunities exist, sometimes clearing time to connect and make more memories as a family can mean bringing in takeout or hiring a cleaning service; that's okay.
I don't say this to tweak anyone here or to suggest that anyone's lifestyle is bad or wrong. Like I wrote earlier, I have learned a lot from people who have been posting here for some time. Some advice is very helpful, some is just -- umm, admirable. I'm just saying that maybe we need to broaden our views a little. I'm aware of the YMOYL foundation here, but, having read the book, I don't fully agree that it comes down to living in just dollars and cents. Simplicity comes in many forms for many people, and if we can keep the focus of our conversations how all of us support everyone's efforts at simple living, no matter how people reach for it, I believe we'll have more participation.
I am guessing that many people are not all that interested in casual stuff like saying good for you, or that's cool and things like that.
Good point... I've seen some discussion forums that buttons kind of like Facebook "like" buttons. I've also seen forums that have a button for "Thank you for this useful post" and then all the members who hit that button are shown below the post. It's SO supportive and validating.
Any way we could do this here?? Does the software support that kind of change--and if so, would anyone be interested?
I see forums, this one and others i visit, like a debate in an auditorium. You have the people debating, and you have a far far greater number of people just listening and enjoying the debate. When we go to debates/discussions, we don't usually jump up on stage and add our two cents. A forum is obviously a bit more relaxed in that anyone can add their thoughts, but I still think overall most people just want to listen and enjoy the debate.
I guess it would seem sometimes that I post a lot, but I read far more than I post, and I enjoy just following the discussions on so many different topics, most of which i don't really have anything to add. i may occasionally ask a question, but generally i just listen and gain so much, like the discussion on Kiss your dentist goodbye. I'm loving that and even have started my own trial of the program, but I don't really feel the need to add anything.
I wouldn't worry too much about participation. Those that do want to jump in eventually do I think, when they become comfortable with the forum and topics. Your interesting 'ice breaker question topics' Mrs. M are a good way to draw folks out I think. Ones like 'silverware or flatware', 'tomato/to-mah-toe', boxers or briefs' OK, maybe you didn't start a couple of those, but you get the drift.;)
I think the "like" button is a great idea, if it's possible. Often people don't have the time or inclination to post an actual response even if they love the post. As a recipient of "likes" to posts I've made on other forums/blogs I know the boost one receives from that little thing showing up in one's notification area. I think it encourages people to post more because they know their posts are being read.
Also, as much as Jilly's sentiment saddens me, I'll admit to also having negative thoughts often after replying to a thread. I think those of us who tend to over think everything we say in the real world and fear others judging us or taking our words the wrong way, feel the same pressure on forums. Many times I've regretted posting something that felt too personal or just something that others may disagree with. I worry about the responses my post may get. On the other hand, sometimes I feel that my post totally brought the thread to a halt, as there is never another response. So whether there is a response or not I have something to be anxious about. Of course this is all in my own head.
The other reason I don't post that much is I've been around the Simple Living forums in this and the previous version since about 2003, so while I still lurk, there are very few things that are new to me. It seems like a bunch of old friends just rehashing the same topics over and over. Of course, that's not good for newcomers. People just searching out these topics for the first time need our support.
And in general there is the usual extroversion/introversion that comes up IRL as well. Some people just like to post more, respond to the more touchy-feely threads etc. I'm introverted in the world of forums as well as IRL and prefer less emotional topics such as money and early retirement.
Just some thoughts.
I also just click "new posts" and then scan the thread titles from there. I personally would like to see this forum have an RSS feed. This is about the only one of my regular forums that apparently is not RSS enabled. As a result I check it far less often than the other forums I frequent.
I also just click "new posts" and then scan the thread titles from there. I personally would like to see this forum have an RSS feed. This is about the only one of my regular forums that apparently is not RSS enabled. As a result I check it far less often than the other forums I frequent.
I just enabled RSS feeds on the majority of our forums. You can now see the RSS link when you view the forum listing at http://www.simplelivingforum.net/forum.php
For outgoing RSS feeds, each forum is treated as a separate entity with it's own individual feed. Let's play with that for a bit and see what we think.
awakenedsoul
10-9-12, 4:36pm
I think this forum is great. It's easy to use, it has a lot of activity, interesting posters, etc...When I first came on and started posting, right away a couple of people were antagonistic. It surprised me, since I had been lurking for a year. As a nonposter, I had such a great time! I would have posted sooner, but when I emailed two of the moderators to ask for help, they didn't get back to me. I couldn't log in.
One of the doom and gloom posts also was kind of off putting to me. A new poster told me that I don't have nearly enough food stockpiled. My post was deleted by the moderator, and his remained. He never posted again.
I only go on this and a couple other forums. I really like most of the people on this one, but sometimes it gets heated and argumentive. I avoid those threads, topics, and posters. I know what you mean about the sarcasm, Mrs. M.
I am pretty much good with things as they are. Sometimes I wonder if the forum categories could be reviewed and condensed (simplified). There are some that don't get much use. No big deal.
As for folks who are new or shy about posting, I have been around for many years. It is nice to have a forum where people are pretty much on the same page, but also nice to hear different opinions and views different places. It would be refreshing to have more and new people adding to things. I've seen a few heated debates, but it seems for the most part like any easy going bunch.
winterberry
10-9-12, 5:27pm
I haven't been here much in the last few years because I've just been too busy with illnesses in the family and the death of my mother. But I retired a week ago and now have the luxury of free time, so I've been poking around here, and am glad to see that this community is still very active, I think more so than a few years ago. Are the numbers of active participants growing?
Maybe what happens when people introduce themselves and then disappear is that they have joined in on a whim and then forget about it or have second thoughts about whether they want to get involved, and we shouldn't worry too much about it as long as the forum is active and here for those who find it worthwhile. But a warm welcome to newcomers probably makes it more likely that they'll stick around.
Jilly--you should just post if you want to and not worry about it.
I read almost everyday, but don't post much for a number of reasons. I am 59 and struggling with arthrits. It seems like most people are younger and healthy and in many ways we don't really relate to each other. In a previous incarnation on the old forums I was really hurt by a comment(mostly because the comment was posted on a day I was struggling with pain) and it seemed to totally disregard my struggles). I also feel I am not particularly articulate on paper. Some of the political squabbles get old to me, but that is because I don't like conflict. I try not to read those threads and I am also trying to toughen up a little. It bugs me when someone shares something and someone else feels they need to chime in with how wrong that idea is, because it is organic or whatever. Like their values need to be everyone's. It stops people from sharing things that might help others.
I post more on another forum and I think it is because you can comment directly to the person posting. I appreciate the positive comments-like "good Post', "I agree 100%", I also have had people private message me about say the help for person's on limited incomes getting help from drug companies.
I also click on New Posts and scan.
I also click on New Posts and scan.
+1 is my first version of saying 'I like" or 'good one'.
The forums are fine as they are now. There have been some needed changes made in the new format and everyone seemed to have worked out the tweaks needed.
I just want a "Please send chocolate NOW" button...
rosarugosa
10-9-12, 7:41pm
Love the chocolate button idea! I too like the current format of the forums. I suspect most of us lurk for awhile before jumping in. While many stop by and then move on, we have a lot of recent members who are very active contributors, so those who find it a good fit seem to stick around.
It's funny, but I don't usually look at the activity feed or new posts. I like to look at the list of topics, and then check in on the ones I follow, or if something interesting catches my eye. It feels more coherent to me to browse by topic.
Blackdog Lin
10-9-12, 8:50pm
I think our current format is just perfect.....but then I am slow to embrace change of any kind. The daily "familiar" in my life makes me feel good, secure.....
I am hesitant to endorse a change to a "like/dislike" button on posts - I know on other forums I belong to I am made to feel (bad, unworthy, stupid, etc.) because my post got few likes, or more dislikes, than other posts. On here, I feel free-er - either someone responds to my post, or they respond to the original post in general - either way, I can think that my post was useful maybe in some little way. I feel part of the community either way. If we had "like" buttons, I'd probably quit posting as much, as I would worry that I had to be "my best and most brilliant" when posting (when in reality I'm posting when I feel like I (1) have something to say that someone might be interested in; or (2) I have something to say that absolutely no one is interested in, but everyone is polite anyway, because they probably realize that (3) I've had my 3rd glass of wine, when I think my postings are brilliant but are not really; and (4) sometimes I strike gold and hit a topic that really IS interesting.)
I implore you to stay away from like/dislike useful/non-useful posting buttons. I can't take the pressure. :)
Originally posted by Rogar.
It would be refreshing to have more and new people adding to things.My sentiment exactly.
Wildflower
10-9-12, 9:20pm
I've had a difficult time getting into this newer version of SLN, as opposed to the old one years ago. This new version seems to be more like a bit of a clique, with the same people validating each other over and over, but leaving others out....maybe another reason others don't post so much and newbies don't return. It's hard to break in and then when one posts they are ignored while the rest seem to be having a lively conversation.... I've seen this happen time and time again, and in the beginning I tried to respond to those I know had to feel left out, and of course, Mrs-M has always been a warm and welcoming presence here. I, myself, am starting to feel it is a waste of my time to post here anymore. And there are those here who will rake you over the coals if you have a different opinion then they do. Hey, it's ok to have a different opinion, yet be respectful to each other!
Tussiemussies
10-9-12, 9:31pm
Good point... I've seen some discussion forums that buttons kind of like Facebook "like" buttons. I've also seen forums that have a button for "Thank you for this useful post" and then all the members who hit that button are shown below the post. It's SO supportive and validating.
Any way we could do this here?? Does the software support that kind of change--and if so, would anyone be interested?
Catherine I would really like to see that here too...
Tussiemussies
10-9-12, 9:33pm
I've had a difficult time getting into this newer version of SLN, as opposed to the old one years ago. This new version seems to be more like a bit of a clique, with the same people validating each other over and over, but leaving others out....maybe another reason others don't post so much and newbies don't return. It's hard to break in and then when one posts they are ignored while the rest seem to be having a lively conversation.... I've seen this happen time and time again, and in the beginning I tried to respond to those I know had to feel left out, and of course, Mrs-M has always been a warm and welcoming presence here. I, myself, am starting to feel it is a waste of my time to post here anymore. And there are those here who will rake you over the coals if you have a different opinion then they do. Hey, it's ok to have a different opinion, yet be respectful to each other!
Wildflower, I also feel this way...
I think our current format is just perfect.....but then I am slow to embrace change of any kind. The daily "familiar" in my life makes me feel good, secure.....
I am hesitant to endorse a change to a "like/dislike" button on posts - I know on other forums I belong to I am made to feel (bad, unworthy, stupid, etc.) because my post got few likes, or more dislikes, than other posts. On here, I feel free-er - either someone responds to my post, or they respond to the original post in general - either way, I can think that my post was useful maybe in some little way. I feel part of the community either way. If we had "like" buttons, I'd probably quit posting as much, as I would worry that I had to be "my best and most brilliant" when posting (when in reality I'm posting when I feel like I (1) have something to say that someone might be interested in; or (2) I have something to say that absolutely no one is interested in, but everyone is polite anyway, because they probably realize that (3) I've had my 3rd glass of wine, when I think my postings are brilliant but are not really; and (4) sometimes I strike gold and hit a topic that really IS interesting.)
I implore you to stay away from like/dislike useful/non-useful posting buttons. I can't take the pressure. :)
I agree with this. I think if posts had like/dislike buttons it would be too tempting for some to just breeze through and hit like or dislike on every post and it would dissolve into a Junior High type thing. I can't think of anything that would drive away new comers quicker than knowing their posts will be instantly judged with the results displayed for all to see. (I'm pretty relaxed in most forums but do like a good rousing political discussion and I'm afraid I'd get a whole slew of dislikes! Although I'm pretty thick-skinned, even I wouldn't like that!);)
I just enabled RSS feeds on the majority of our forums. You can now see the RSS link when you view the forum listing at http://www.simplelivingforum.net/forum.php
For outgoing RSS feeds, each forum is treated as a separate entity with it's own individual feed. Let's play with that for a bit and see what we think.
So that's what those little orange symbols are! Cool! And I'm sure it would be really cool if I even knew what an RSS link actually was! ;)
But, I have a dumb phone and a dumb computer so it probably wouldn't work for me anyway. Besides, the extra knowledge would just be taking up valuable space that could be better filled by a margarita and a cool breeze!
awakenedsoul
10-9-12, 11:32pm
I've had a difficult time getting into this newer version of SLN, as opposed to the old one years ago. This new version seems to be more like a bit of a clique, with the same people validating each other over and over, but leaving others out....maybe another reason others don't post so much and newbies don't return. It's hard to break in and then when one posts they are ignored while the rest seem to be having a lively conversation.... I've seen this happen time and time again, and in the beginning I tried to respond to those I know had to feel left out, and of course, Mrs-M has always been a warm and welcoming presence here. I, myself, am starting to feel it is a waste of my time to post here anymore. And there are those here who will rake you over the coals if you have a different opinion then they do. Hey, it's ok to have a different opinion, yet be respectful to each other!
This is very good information, and it's too bad. Now that you say that, that's what happened to me when I first posted. It was weird. I felt invisible.
I don't post that often because I am trying to limit my time on line. I want to develop more "real" relationships and work towards my life goals. Sometimes it's easier to read and not participate.
I really like this format. I don't care for Facebook, and I find all that "like" stuff can creat immature behavior, and popularity contests. Sorry, I don't mean to be rude to people who enjoy Facebook and that style. Sometimes it makes people go for lots of hits by being controversial, provocative, etc...It reminds me of reality t.v.
Sorry you felt that way too, Tussiemussies. I really enjoy your posts. Yours, too, Jilly.
We have so many different types of people here that I do find I connect with the same people over and over. There are a couple of posters who I really resonate with, but I try to post when I can.
Tussiemussies
10-9-12, 11:46pm
Thanks awakened soul for your thoughtfulness. :) Christine
I haven't been posting much lately because a couple of my kids are in a high supervision stage right now, but I've been reading and I am really enjoying the newer members input. I would love to see more people engaging in the conversation. It's great to get a variety of viewpoints and experiences.
I would like the "like" button. Facebook doesn't have a dislike button, but whenever I find myself wishing it did it's for things like, "My cat is sick and I've been up all night and I'm exhausted." I wouldn't dislike that you posted it, just that your cat is sick and you're exhausted. Liking that seems like saying that I like that your cat is sick and you're exhausted and that's mean. I don't know if that is necessary though. I'd just like to be able to show support when I'm in a time crunch.
So that's what those little orange symbols are! Cool! And I'm sure it would be really cool if I even knew what an RSS link actually was! ;)
But, I have a dumb phone and a dumb computer so it probably wouldn't work for me anyway. Besides, the extra knowledge would just be taking up valuable space that could be better filled by a margarita and a cool breeze!
RSS is commonly refered to as Really Simple Syndication, although its official term is Rich Site Summary. It can be used in various ways, but my favorite is to set up the feed in my email client and have updated material sent to my RSS inbox. In the case of this forum, you could choose the particular forums you like and, using the feed address, review new threads from your email client or RSS reader. The feed also includes a link to the forum thread.
You could check it out by simply clicking on the RSS icon for any forum in the forum listing.
I think our current format is just perfect.....but then I am slow to embrace change of any kind. The daily "familiar" in my life makes me feel good, secure.....
I am hesitant to endorse a change to a "like/dislike" button on posts - I know on other forums I belong to I am made to feel (bad, unworthy, stupid, etc.) because my post got few likes, or more dislikes, than other posts. On here, I feel free-er - either someone responds to my post, or they respond to the original post in general - either way, I can think that my post was useful maybe in some little way. I feel part of the community either way. If we had "like" buttons, I'd probably quit posting as much, as I would worry that I had to be "my best and most brilliant" when posting (when in reality I'm posting when I feel like I (1) have something to say that someone might be interested in; or (2) I have something to say that absolutely no one is interested in, but everyone is polite anyway, because they probably realize that (3) I've had my 3rd glass of wine, when I think my postings are brilliant but are not really; and (4) sometimes I strike gold and hit a topic that really IS interesting.)
I implore you to stay away from like/dislike useful/non-useful posting buttons. I can't take the pressure. :)
I'm with Lin on this one. The potential downside outweighs the upside and it creates screen clutter that I really don't need.
SteveinMN
10-10-12, 9:29am
This is very good information, and it's too bad. Now that you say that, that's what happened to me when I first posted. It was weird. I felt invisible.
I was discussing something not long ago in a thread with someone who's been on the board for several years. That person shut down the conversation by stating that the topic had been discussed many times over the last several years and always ended with the same result. Fine. I guess I should have read years of posts before I weighed in. And I should have assumed that several years have had absolutely no effect on the situation. Mea culpa. I post anyway. Just not to engage with that person.
I just enabled RSS feeds on the majority of our forums. You can now see the RSS link when you view the forum listing at http://www.simplelivingforum.net/forum.php
For outgoing RSS feeds, each forum is treated as a separate entity with it's own individual feed. Let's play with that for a bit and see what we think.
Thanks Alan. Having an individual feed for each forum is even better than I was expecting.
I see forums, this one and others i visit, like a debate in an auditorium. You have the people debating, and you have a far far greater number of people just listening and enjoying the debate. When we go to debates/discussions, we don't usually jump up on stage and add our two cents. A forum is obviously a bit more relaxed in that anyone can add their thoughts, but I still think overall most people just want to listen and enjoy the debate.
I personally abhor the parts of this forum that are like a debate. They are the least valuable of everything we do here. It may just be me, but I see this place as a big open conversation space, with clusters of like-minded people gathering on the square and sharing what works, what challenges they're experiencing, what small joys and victories they're enjoying.....and asking lots and lots of questions, actually open to the answers. Quite the opposite of a debate, where you have people with their heels dug in, trying to prove they're right.
But using that metaphor, sometimes it's easier for people, especially introverts (which I'd guess our audience to be skewed toward) to sit on the outer fringe and just enjoy the conversations, "take what they need and leave the rest" from the threads, and if they feel they have something to interject or contribute, they do.
I don't see this behavior as any different from any forum I've ever played in or moderated. It's the same pattern wherever you go. I find this a very good, friendly, educational place to be.
I too like the "Thank you for this useful post" button on other fora, but it can be a little touchy on those "debate" kinds of threads, where it can become a popularity contest. I've actually seen squabbles erupt over "You liked that post!?! What a jerk!" (which makes me put my face in my hands and groan) :)
On one other forum I moderate we have designated volunteer Greeters, whose task it is to keep an eye on new members and perhaps direct them to threads that are of most interest to their stated reason for being there. It only takes a few minutes per new member, and increases the participation. But I also think things are good as they stand. The mod squad here does a spectacular job.
I haven't been here much in the last few years because I've just been too busy with illnesses in the family and the death of my mother. But I retired a week ago and now have the luxury of free time, so I've been poking around here, and am glad to see that this community is still very active, I think more so than a few years ago. Are the numbers of active participants growing?
P.S. Winterberry, it's so good to see you back :D
Extending a thank you (to all) this morning for weighing-in on this topic and expressing your thoughts/ideas. If anything at all, topics such as this help remind us all why we are here, and in addition to, reiterates the importance of group support and effort. We can't make this place work without each other.
decemberlov
10-10-12, 9:53am
As a newcomer here I just wanted to say that I find most you very welcoming. I may have felt a little like at outcast when I first started posting but I don't think that had anything to do with anyone here...just that...well..I think we all feel a little shy and slightly out of place in new situations. So thank you all for welcoming me with open arms :)
Oh and Mrs M. thank you for the friend request you send..I took it as "hey come hold my hand..I show you around. You're gonna like it here." And I do..so thank you :)
I personally abhor the parts of this forum that are like a debate. They are the least valuable of everything we do here. It may just be me, but I see this place as a big open conversation space, with clusters of like-minded people gathering on the square and sharing what works, what challenges they're experiencing, what small joys and victories they're enjoying.....and asking lots and lots of questions, actually open to the answers. Quite the opposite of a debate, where you have people with their heels dug in, trying to prove they're right.
But using that metaphor, sometimes it's easier for people, especially introverts (which I'd guess our audience to be skewed toward) to sit on the outer fringe and just enjoy the conversations, "take what they need and leave the rest" from the threads, and if they feel they have something to interject or contribute, they do.
I don't see this behavior as any different from any forum I've ever played in or moderated. It's the same pattern wherever you go. I find this a very good, friendly, educational place to be.
I too like the "Thank you for this useful post" button on other fora, but it can be a little touchy on those "debate" kinds of threads, where it can become a popularity contest. I've actually seen squabbles erupt over "You liked that post!?! What a jerk!" (which makes me put my face in my hands and groan) :)
On one other forum I moderate we have designated volunteer Greeters, whose task it is to keep an eye on new members and perhaps direct them to threads that are of most interest to their stated reason for being there. It only takes a few minutes per new member, and increases the participation. But I also think things are good as they stand. The mod squad here does a spectacular job.
OK, well, maybe debate was the wrong choice of words. LOL I was using that interchangeably with conversation, but usually when you go to an auditorium type thing it is either a lecture or debate, and debate seemed more inclusive a term to fit the metaphor. (although sometimes some forums/posters seem more like a lecture!) The politics forum is more like a debate but the others are a conversation. Is that better? Whew! Glad there isn't a like/dislike button!
I like the idea of forum greeters. Sounds like a real area to explore.
You are most welcome, Decemberlov! :)
On one other forum I moderate we have designated volunteer Greeters, whose task it is to keep an eye on new members and perhaps direct them to threads that are of most interest to their stated reason for being there. It only takes a few minutes per new member, and increases the participation. But I also think things are good as they stand. The mod squad here does a spectacular job.
I haven't seen that on other forums, but love the idea. I know the mods try to do a little greeting, but most of us are busy and I know I don't stop by the newbie forum very often. It is important to make people feel welcome. If anyone would like to take on a little responsibility there in a somewhat unofficial capacity I don't think you will encounter any opposition from the mod/admin staff.
SteveinMN
10-10-12, 2:53pm
I like the volunteer-greeter idea as well.
Gregg, it's been a long time since I was new here. Do new folks receive any sort of welcome email or page that explains their options, offers help, suggests not taking things personally? :)
Gardenarian
10-10-12, 4:07pm
Another vote for the "LIKE" button!
I think more photos would make the board a lot more appealing. An easier way to post photos would be great! I have often wanted to post pics but don't want to go through the rigmarole of loading to photobucket. trying to remember what line to copy, etc. (I'm currently really enjoying Pinterest.)
The subject nature of this forum lends itself to less frequent postings - we are all seeking the simple life, and that might include limiting online time, or not owning a computer and using one at the library. So I wouldn't expect this board to be as active as one about video gaming! I am pretty much a Luddite myself, dragged into the computer age. When people are posting less I assume they are enjoying their simple lives baking bread, hiking, cuddling the kids, going for an evening stroll - that's nice!
I also use "New Posts" to catch up on what is going on, but as I limit myself to three days a week on the computer I tend to miss a lot... a suggestion to those who aren't getting replies to their OPs is to "bump" their post so they'll show on the New Posts list.
Thank you for posting this Mrs. M!
I think more photos would make the board a lot more appealing.
I second that! I think Bae and I are the only ones who ever post photos here (and now Bayou-girl - who has great photos!!) - and I often post them of myself doing "stuff" I have said I had done in my life (OK, OK I'm a terrible photo-hound I'll admit :-)!!) but I really enjoy seeing photos others post as well. I prefer to see them in a thread rather then have to open them up to see them.
However I don't like the idea of a "like button" for all the rerason Blackdog Lin mentioned. I think it will reduce actual converstions which can add to the thread because it's so easy to just hit a button and move on without any other input to the thread. So I'd rather see posters respond with something written out or left un-acknowlegeded as it is now. I too would feel a bit shunned if no one ever "liked" my posts (and that's bound to happen - probably alot!). Otherwise I like the set up of the forums and wouldn't change them.
Was just thinking about this thread and wanted to add a few more words.
Even with the loss of longstanding members, and members who didn't make the transition from the old to the new (for whatever reason), there is a lot to be said for all those who did, those who are here today, those, who took the initiate and interest to hike further and pull harder in the name of dedication, strength, and perseverance, to make this home the best that it can be and what it is today.
No site, forum, or community, be it real or otherwise, will ever be perfect, nor will it come without it's challenges and faults, but what we have here, as of the new, helps renew and restore my interest in working harder towards the continuation and betterment of this community, and to that I'll say, thanks everybody!
Gregg, it's been a long time since I was new here. Do new folks receive any sort of welcome email or page that explains their options, offers help, suggests not taking things personally? :)
Not that I know of pug, but its worth considering. Right now all the information is available to them, but the member has to make the first move to get it.
studentofecology
10-23-12, 3:34pm
Good point... I've seen some discussion forums that buttons kind of like Facebook "like" buttons. I've also seen forums that have a button for "Thank you for this useful post" and then all the members who hit that button are shown below the post. It's SO supportive and validating.
Any way we could do this here?? Does the software support that kind of change--and if so, would anyone be interested?
I too, greatly appreciate thumbs up or thanks buttons. I think it helps let people know when they're providing useful/important information, and it also allows a space efficient way to say thank you.
fidgiegirl
10-23-12, 5:09pm
On one other forum I moderate we have designated volunteer Greeters, whose task it is to keep an eye on new members and perhaps direct them to threads that are of most interest to their stated reason for being there. It only takes a few minutes per new member, and increases the participation. But I also think things are good as they stand. The mod squad here does a spectacular job.
Love the designated greeter idea. I've tried (with varying levels of success, but have made a conscious effort) to try to welcome everyone who I notice is new with a specific question, whether or not they make an introductory thread or not. My hope is that with a specific question they have a reason to make a second, or third, or whatever post and also know that people do read what they've said and DO want to know more about them.
I had a girlfriend at work who surprised me by declining to send out some announcement-y type e-mail message to the whole staff. She explained that it was very much like standing up to give a speech to her, and it terrified her. I had never seen it as an issue. That was interesting to hear, and I wonder if some here lurking have the same feeling she had.
Steve, the "it's been discussed" issue isn't just something that's happened here. In fact I've learned now when posting new threads on other fora to address the fact that I have already searched their archives in my posts, because it's so common for people to say that, and you're right - very off-putting. It's nice if someone can refer me back to those particular discussions with a link or something, but otherwise, it's hard to feel very welcome.
Oh! Oh! As I have said before, having a forum picture reeeeeeeeeeeally helps me to keep straight who's-who. It's embarrassing to say it, but with just names, I sometimes lose track of the important details attached to every screen name. And if the screen name is close to another screen name? Forget it. :( It's just so much easier to remember specifics about each user with the little picture! If anyone needs help, let me know . . .
fidgiegirl
10-23-12, 5:12pm
I too, greatly appreciate thumbs up or thanks buttons. I think it helps let people know when they're providing useful/important information, and it also allows a space efficient way to say thank you.
Nice to see you around, SofE! I was wondering a few months ago if we'd be hearing from you again and glad we have!
SteveinMN
10-23-12, 8:04pm
It's just so much easier to remember specifics about each user with the little picture!
Okay, okay! Twist my arm!
treehugger
10-23-12, 8:39pm
Hi there, Steve!
Kara
fidgiegirl
10-24-12, 8:53am
Okay, okay! Twist my arm!
I noticed right away in the frugals thread! Thank you! :D
miradoblackwarrior
10-24-12, 9:52am
Hi, all--
Can I just add a search mechanism whereby you can search your own posts? I looked for a thread that I was interested in, but I forgot where it was posted. I searched and searched, but could not find.
Lately, I've been using the search function as I progress through my own journey, whether giving up the car, or the cable, or finding other ways to cut back. Sometimes I can't articulate what I am looking for, and the search function isn't helpful enough. Then I scan through many entries to find the meat of the topic. It may be me--I've been handling big issues lately that often have their own thread. But, as I try to figure out my life, I find that my searches need pinpointing. It may be me, but I'm wondering if others have similar problems?
Susan
SteveinMN
10-24-12, 10:34am
Susan, you can find a listing of your posts/replies by clicking on "My Profile" in the upper-right of the browser window and then selecting the "My Activity" tab (if it's not selected already). You can then use your browser's Find (or Search) function to locate key words on the page. You may have to click on the "More Activity" link at the bottom to view older posts.
ToomuchStuff
10-24-12, 10:44am
Not that I know of pug, but its worth considering. Right now all the information is available to them, but the member has to make the first move to get it.
I know I went out and found the sticky that had all the DW/DH/DS/DD posts, as I had never seen these on any other forum I visit. (normally I see SWMBO) A link to that in the thank you for signing up would have helped get me up to speed.
miradoblackwarrior
10-24-12, 10:52am
Ah ha!!!
Thanks Stevie!
Susan
You're very handsome, SteveinMN!
SteveinMN
10-24-12, 9:59pm
:|( Mrs-M!
iris lily
10-24-12, 10:26pm
You're very handsome, SteveinMN!I know! Great hair!
Wildflower
10-24-12, 10:33pm
Oh my, there's some flirting going on on the SLN! :D:0!>8):laff:
SteveinMN
10-25-12, 10:19am
Oh my, there's some flirting going on on the SLN! :D:0!>8):laff:
Should I be happy my wife isn't reading SLF?
:thankyou: I am happy to say I am very happily taken!
EDIT: Come to think of it, this is the picture I used with the personals ad (Yahoo) to which my now-wife responded. I suppose I should keep this picture! lol
You're very handsome, SteveinMN!
Ditto to that!! All the cute ones are taken. Alas, us single girls just don't stand a chance :-)! I'm glad to see more people putting up photos of themselves as their avatar - defineley helps me to remember who they are and makes it feel like I'm actually talking to a person. Guess I should take my own advice. maybe Fidgie Girl will start another "avatar challenge" to get more people to put one up - even if it isn't a photo of the real you (I get dibs on Tankgirl again!!). It does help to keep track of all the posters and it's actually the only way I can even find my own posts in a long thread.
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