View Full Version : Ok then what happens to ObamaCare if Romney wins?
gimmethesimplelife
10-20-12, 12:45am
Just curious.....Since the latest polls I have googled show the race too close to call at the moment, and it seems quite possible at the moment that either may win, what happens to ObamaCare if Romney does indeed win? Will this be a huge deal, as ObamaCare has passed the Supreme Court....Can Romney really do all that much about it, is the repeal ObamaCare just hot air, or is it the death of ObamaCare if Romney gets in? What do you'all think? Rob
iris lily
10-20-12, 12:49am
Just curious.....Since the latest polls I have googled show the race too close to call at the moment, and it seems quite possible at the moment that either may win, what happens to ObamaCare if Romney does indeed win? Will this be a huge deal, as ObamaCare has passed the Supreme Court....Can Romney really do all that much about it, is the repeal ObamaCare just hot air, or is it the death of ObamaCare if Romney gets in? What do you'all think? Rob
You've got to have a Republican majority in the House and Senate to rescind it, the President doesn't have the power to wave a magic wand and poof off ObamaCare.
ApatheticNoMore
10-20-12, 12:57am
Also is it net profitable for the insurance companies? (plus perhaps other aspects of the healthcare industry - drug companies etc.) If so ........ it's not going anywhere regardless.
They were involved in all the negotiations, so I can't imagine they got off that badly.
Romney would be just the President. If you read the Constitution, that musty old piece of paper, you'll find his powers are pretty limited.
gimmethesimplelife
10-20-12, 1:07am
Romney would be just the President. If you read the Constitution, that musty old piece of paper, you'll find his powers are pretty limited.Fair enough. But if this is the case, why the big deal about vote me in and I'll repeal ObamaCare? Rob
Fair enough. But if this is the case, why the big deal about vote me in and I'll repeal ObamaCare? Rob
His lips are moving... And he's a politician....
gimmethesimplelife
10-20-12, 1:29am
His lips are moving... And he's a politician....LOL Pretty sad....pretty sad. And I see your point and agree. Pretty sad then that there are those out there who will vote for him on the basis of repealing ObamaCare as a campaign promise when from what has been posted here, this is something he can not do. Pretty sad. Rob
iris lily
10-20-12, 8:40am
LOL Pretty sad....pretty sad. And I see your point and agree. Pretty sad then that there are those out there who will vote for him on the basis of repealing ObamaCare as a campaign promise when from what has been posted here, this is something he can not do. Pretty sad. Rob
Sad? No. We are aware that the Senate and Congress must change as well in order to take the action I want.
But the Presidential candidates always make these statements. While it's true that you guy is carrying Executive orders past the boundary of prudent governing, he's made his own, similar promises.
The Storyteller
10-20-12, 10:49am
I beg to differ.
An administration has a great deal of power over legislation. A president can decree that certain laws or regulations will not be enforced, at least many of them, and can place people in charge who will interpret the laws and regs in a way the president wants them to be interpreted. Obama recently instructed the Justice Department to not defend the Defense of Marriage act, and Reagan famously refused to enforce environmental regulations. The Labor Department exists to protect worker rights, but those rights are treated differently depending on which party is in control of the White House.
If Romney is elected, Obamacare is dead. Whether it is repealed outright, or simply allowed to whither on the vine, it is dead nonetheless. Congress can't force a president to do anything he doesn't want to do. They are separate powers, as has been pointed out. The primary power of the administrative branch is administration. A law isn't a law if it isn't enforced.
iris lily
10-20-12, 1:07pm
I beg to differ.
...If Romney is elected, Obamacare is dead. Whether it is repealed outright, or simply allowed to whither on the vine, it is dead nonetheless. Congress can't force a president to do anything he doesn't want to do. They are separate powers, as has been pointed out. The primary power of the administrative branch is administration. A law isn't a law if it isn't enforced.
I don't think it's that simple, but given that bright outlook, I won't argue. I'll sit back and watch what happens because I am cheered by the thought that I don't have to worry if, for instance, the idiot Akin fails to trounce McCaskill in my state senate race.
Don't care Obmacare may help to insure 40 million people who are uninsured today. It could help to reduce healthcare costs. My part D drug insurance premium went down next year and many people got refunds on their health insurance this year. You may not be aware but Obamacare limits the profits of insurance companies to 15 to 20%.
We are looking for insurance for our son who has been unemployed for a long time. I asked a friend who has been an insurance agent for a long time. He said he hopes things will change in 2014 when Obamacare is fully implemented but today it is almost impossible to find individual coverage at a reasonable rate.
I read an article on a small business owner who is against Obamacare and has something like 56 employees and offers a high deductible health insurance program. He said he will fire 7 employees to get under the 50 number. First if he does not need 7 employees in 2014 why does he need them now. He is not running his business very good. Second he must have not read the Obamacare program because employers with insurance programs that do not meet the requirements of Obamacare will be GRANDFATHERED IN. I think a lot of people have not read the Obamacare program.
The Republicans wanted to require all to be insured during the Clinton's attempt at healthcare reform. Those who get healthcare at the Emergency Room we all pay for in our premiums.
My guess is Obamacare will be replaced by another program - hopefully something that we can afford, both as a nation and as individual families.
Medical care is so out of control - our family's number one expense. I like parts of Obamacare that has taken already taken effect. For example that my young adult dd still is covered by my insurance. That certain preventative tests are covered (even though I haven't taken advantage).
Some people here think the Romney lacks a heart - I think you will find it is just the opposite.
The Storyteller
10-20-12, 11:15pm
Some people here think the Romney lacks a heart - .
Does it show?
Does it show?
Most of the examples (actually all that I have heard) don't come from Romney. He does not wear his goodwill on his sleeve as they say. Examples were shared at the RNC and we heard more during the VP debate.
Some people are not comfortable about tooting their own horn for the good works they do. I sense this is really are part of his makeup and when all the hype from of the campaign is over he will governor probably more to the center than more ultra conservatives will like.
In passing this particular law, the legislative branch ceded a good deal of power to the executive branch, such as the authority to issue waivers. So I think it does matter who the President is, even if his party doesn't win it all.
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