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I was glad that Romney won the republican nomination. Santorom and Bachman scared the beep out of me! They seemed sooo extreme.
Romney, who basically created what is now "Obamacare" seemed kinda moderate.
I got the impression that he is moderate and only adapted some qualities of extreme right views in order to win the repubilcan primiaries and, in his mind, the republican vote this November. I got the feeling that, once in office, he would go back to being a moderate. I could be wrong.
I liked the impression that he was about fixing problems and running numbers. I liked the impression that he was about getting things fixed instead of marrying an idealogoy and not compromising what so ever.
I had a hope, that if he were to win (not that I would ever vote for him when someone like Obama was on the ticket), that he could maybe lead the Republicans in to a more balanced compromise just fix the problem and not marry an ideaology kind of thing.
If there was going to be a Republican as President, I think Romney could have done well? Maybe.
I love Obama!
It should say something to everyone here, and more importantly to the GOP leadership, that for all the talk of how far right the party is and how extreme the base may be it is the moderates that keep getting the nominations. The simple conclusion to draw is that there must be quite a few people out there that are conservative, but not extreme. Go figure.
Where is the article that I read where there was something about moderate republicans being pushed out and into being independents because of the shenanigans of neo and theocons?
The only better candidate than Obama was Ron Paul.
Where is the article that I read where there was something about moderate republicans being pushed out and into being independents because of the shenanigans of neo and theocons?
I agree there. As the republican party gets more and more extreme, especially in the social stuff, I almost see a flip of the parties. Independents (or a libertarian/independent sort of blend) being the dominate 2nd party and republicans being the also rans. And I see most moderate republicans moving to this more moderate party, eventually.
I really don't see the republican base doing any serious soul searching this time but I think they will double down. I do believe they feel Romney wasn't quite conservative enough!
Yeah, I thought he was kinda ok. Certainly better than the next best, which would probably have been Gingrich. If it had only been about the economy he might have won my vote. It would have been a far more interesting and refreshing election if Chris Christy or Michael Bloomburg as a third party candidate would have thrown in their hat.
The Storyteller
11-12-12, 10:21am
I have no idea if he is okay or not. I really don't know what he actually stands for or believes.
I do know even my Republican Mormon friends (who voted for Bush) couldn't stand him. They felt he made a mockery of their faith, because (as they said) he lacked character.
They voted for Obama, as did the majority of Mormons.
They voted for Obama, as did the majority of Mormons.
That surprises me as it doesn't line up with what I've heard from friends. I didn't immediately see any big polls that reflected that result either, but could have missed something. What was your source for that?
"In fact, 21% of Mormons voted for Barack Obama and only 78% voted Romney."
http://www.businessinsider.com/romney-mormon-vote-2012-11#ixzz2C1UxSz00
It seems like Romney captured fewer Mormon voters than did Bush, but he still did pretty well with Mormons.
Polls showing somewhere around 80% of Mormons voting for Romney is what I was finding, too, Rogar.
The Storyteller
11-12-12, 12:18pm
It seems like Romney captured fewer Mormon voters than did Bush...
Yes, that was it. I missremembered. Sorry I got it wrong.
[Which is why I will be keeping my avatar for the foreseeable future.]
iris lily
11-12-12, 12:22pm
Yes, that was it. I missremembered. Sorry I got it wrong.
[Which is why I will be keeping my avatar for the foreseeable future.]
Darlin' get yourself a job at MSNBC.:0! You can be the Karl Rove nemesis.
Life_is_Simple
11-12-12, 1:03pm
I was glad that Romney won the republican nomination. Santorom and Bachman scared the beep out of me! They seemed sooo extreme.
Romney, who basically created what is now "Obamacare" seemed kinda moderate.
I got the impression that he is moderate and only adapted some qualities of extreme right views in order to win the repubilcan primiaries and, in his mind, the republican vote this November. I got the feeling that, once in office, he would go back to being a moderate. I could be wrong.
I liked the impression that he was about fixing problems and running numbers. I liked the impression that he was about getting things fixed instead of marrying an idealogoy and not compromising what so ever.
I had a hope, that if he were to win (not that I would ever vote for him when someone like Obama was on the ticket), that he could maybe lead the Republicans in to a more balanced compromise just fix the problem and not marry an ideaology kind of thing.
If there was going to be a Republican as President, I think Romney could have done well? Maybe.
I love Obama!
I don't know if Romney was moderate or not. He only seemed like it, because he had been gov of MA. It seems more that he morphs to his surroundings. So you can never really tell exactly what he stands for.
When he ran against Ted Kennedy in 1994 for Senate, Ted said Romney's positions were changing so fast to reflect Ted's that "If we give him two more weeks then he may even vote for me."
When Romney was gov of MA, he really didn't get along with people - democrats or republicans. Then he finally decided that when he ran for president, he had to run on *something*, so worked on Romneycare.
The state of Massachusetts often has had a democratic legislature, and republican governors, so they thought he would be fine as governor. However, the approval level of Romney kept going down and down and down while he was governor (started at 66%, ended at 34%). This was because Romney didn't really care about the people of Massachusetts, or doing his job here. He just wanted a stepping stone to running for president. In the presidential election Massachusetts went 61% Obama, 38% Romney, which was similar to his approval rating at the end of his governor tenure. What state doesn't vote for their own? We would have supported one of the previous republican governors, but not this one.
Because Romney was so etch-a-sketchy, and took every position at least once, a person could believe anything about Romney. But in reality, who really knows him? Maybe not even himself?
The Storyteller
11-12-12, 1:04pm
Darlin' get yourself a job at MSNBC.:0! You can be the Karl Rove nemesis.
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iris lily
11-12-12, 2:03pm
I don't know if Romney was moderate or not. He only seemed like it, because he had been gov of MA. It seems more that he morphs to his surroundings. So you can never really tell exactly what he stands for.
Let's see, the Prez in the White House was completely against gay marriage. That is, until he was for it. His "for it" position was carefully considered. In time for the election. But he explained it as a position that evolved.
Morphing and evolving, two separate things?
ApatheticNoMore
11-12-12, 2:08pm
I think we kind of know what we are getting with Obama by this point. He's the devil we know.
I think we kind of know what we are getting with Obama by this point. He's the devil we know.
I'm not sure that's true. A first termer must moderate himself in hopes of a second opportunity. Second termers are free to be themselves.
flowerseverywhere
11-12-12, 3:46pm
He was kinda okay if you weren't a woman.
He was kinda okay if you weren't gay.
He was kinda okay if you were rich or at least upper middle class.
can you imagine being a poor lesbian of color? You would really feel alienated by the whole republican party, even the moderates.
It kills me that republicans are talking publically about how not to alienate the hispanic population. And the whole binder full of women remark. Or the 47% remark. Walk the walk, don't just talk the talk. People can see right through you if you firmly believe in one thing and say another.
I'm not sure that's true. A first termer must moderate himself in hopes of a second opportunity. Second termers are free to be themselves.
That's true...I'm sure NOW he is going to take away your guns, ban god/religion, indoctrinate little children at 'camps' and invite terrorist to sleep in the White House. Let's see, did I miss any? Paint the white house black, turn us into little Europe, marry his daughter to Hugo Chavez, and sell our souls to the devil. Oh, I forgot, take over and socialize every business in the country, running them single-handed (probably into the ground!) while opening our embassies to every two-bit dictator with enough cash.
I'm sure we'll regret not listening to Sarah Palin, Bachmann, Rush Beck and Fox. And you..;)
Whew! It's going to be a busy 4 years!
That's true...I'm sure NOW he is going to take away your guns, ban god/religion, indoctrinate little children at 'camps' and invite terrorist to sleep in the White House. Let's see, did I miss any? Paint the white house black, turn us into little Europe, marry his daughter to Hugo Chavez, and sell our souls to the devil. Oh, I forgot, take over and socialize every business in the country, running them single-handed (probably into the ground!) while opening our embassies to every two-bit dictator with enough cash.
I'm sure we'll regret not listening to Sarah Palin, Bachmann, Rush Beck and Fox. And you..;)
Whew! It's going to be a busy 4 years!
No, he'd never marry off his daughter to a right-winger like Chavez. Especially after Chavez called him out on being more to the left than either he or his friend Castro.
ApatheticNoMore
11-12-12, 4:42pm
Obama:
kinda ok if your not a Muslim
kinda ok if your not living in one of the countries we are at unofficially or officially at war with (but if so you are probably Muslim, so see the first point)
kinda ok if you aren't on the kill list
kinda ok if you aren't a whistleblower
kinda ok if you aren't a dissident or suspected terrorist or a journalist (otherwise NDAA you)
Wait that's not ok at all really, is it?
I was somewhat surprised that Huntsman's campaign never really went anywhere. He seemed to me to be a better conservative candidate than Romney. He was a very good Ambassador to China in a difficult time period (though just about anyone would have been better than the disaster that was Clark Randt...). But I guess thinking that science might actually tell us something about the world means you can't run a national campaign as a conservative. A shame, that.
The Storyteller
11-12-12, 4:51pm
lhamo, this time around, the Republican leaders were trying to nominate someone they thought could beat Obama. They thought Romney was that man.
Wrong again.
ApatheticNoMore
11-12-12, 4:54pm
I was somewhat surprised that Huntsman's campaign never really went anywhere. He seemed to me to be a better conservative candidate than Romney. He was a very good Ambassador to China in a difficult time period (though just about anyone would have been better than the disaster that was Clark Randt...). But I guess thinking that science might actually tell us something about the world means you can't run a national campaign as a conservative. A shame, that.
From what little I know Huntsman seemed almost reasonable. WOAH, can't have any of that around!
I think Huntsman's issue was that he is a very well respected diplomat, but not so well known in broader circles. You gotta have name recognition and all he'd done was complete a stint as Ambassador to China. We needed someone who had held important positions. Like community organizer.
The Storyteller
11-12-12, 6:35pm
We needed someone who had held important positions. Like community organizer.
Or United States Senator. ;)
Huntsman was not conservative enough for the current Republican base. I think he could have beat Obama in the general election. This all blue white guy could have voted for him.
The Storyteller
11-12-12, 6:50pm
This yella dog guy couldn't.
Maxamillion
11-12-12, 8:34pm
Huntsman was the only Republican candidate I would have ever considered voting for, if I had to vote Repub. Romney I wasn't crazy about (though I didn't really dislike him until his 47% comment). Bachmann and Santorum though were way too extreme.
loosechickens
11-12-12, 9:17pm
Actually, Huntsman was the candidate MOST feared by the Obama camp, early on.
But, unfortunately, having served his country as an Ambassador in the Obama administration meant that he was poisoned beyond belief to the Republican base.
And when he stuck up his head and admitted that not only did he believe in evolution, but that he believed global warming was real, that was the kiss of death.
The Obama campaign breathed a HUGE sigh of relief, because according to an old college friend very close to the campaign, Huntsman was the one Republican candidate that the Obama team feared could beat them.
Go figure......the Republicans had one candidate that very well could be President right now, but instead, we were treated to such favorites as Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Michelle Bachmann, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum before they finally settled on pretty much the only one left standing, Mr. Romney.
How much into a bubble of unreality did Republicans find themselves that the parade of "favorites" that at one time or another during the primaries, was a leading contender? What levels of kookiness, ignorance and just plain unsuitability for the Presidency, so evident to the rest of the country and the world, did Republican primary voters miss?
Mitt Romney wasn't horrible, but again, according to the Obama campaign, they considered him a weak candidate, FAR weaker than Huntsman would have been, and the rest of them were actually laughable.
Very sad, really. This country, if it is going to be a two party system, really needs two robust, fact based, reality based parties. I don't know how what has overcome the Republican Party has happened since I abandoned it, but if they don't get their act together and quickly, really, really quickly, they WILL follow the Whigs and others right into the trashbin of history.
If an Independent/Libertarian party rises from the ashes, that can couple fiscal sanity with eliminating an unhealthy obsession with other peoples' sex lives, etc., they will be formidable. But, since they are already rumbling about Rand Paul for 2016, they may be under some of the same inability to live in a fact based world of reality that the Republicans at the moment seem to inhabit. And in the meantime, they are losing the support of younger voters, and various minorities, so badly, that in this lifetime, they may never get them back.
Hint: talking about running a Cuban-American candidate is not the answer to getting Mexican-American votes. Nor is making noises about immigration reform while welcoming racists into their party to whom the usual word for Mexicans is "beaners".
Hint" talking about forcing victims of brutal crimes to carry around their brutal attackers DNA and give it life, over a nine month period is probably not the best way, nor having major contenders for the Presidency on the record saying things like women shouldn't have access to contraception, since it would lead to improper sexual behavior, not to mention attacking Planned Parenthood where millions of women get healthcare, is not a good idea when you want to attract most women. (Vaginal probes and not being willing to stand up and support equal pay for equal work, also)
Hint: Demonizing gay people, and trying to prevent them from enjoying the same civil rights as others because of some "special" reading of the Bible, when other admonitions in the Bible are generally ignored, such as killing people who do not keep the Sabbath or it being o.k. to sell your daughters into slavery, not to mention no picketing of Red Lobster and the folks in there eating shrimp, is probably not the best way to attract young voters, or any of those who have gay family members or friends, not to mention the gay people themselves.
I could go on and on, but.....you get the idea. We Dems dodged a bullet when you guys decided that Huntsman was not a viable candidate.....because he was probably your best hope. Funny when one thinks about it.
Romney was a chameleon. I would rather have a Bachmann who I could rely on to be a right-wingnut than Romney because I'd never know how to fight against him.
I've watched a lot of political campaigns in my day and I've never seen such an entitled couple as the Romneys. It was awe-inspiring. It made me wish I could be that much of a narcissist. It must be nice going through life thinking the world had been created for me personally.
I truly believe that Romney had no desire to become president beyond that he just felt he deserved it. His lovely wife Ann did say "it's Mitt's turn." I found them utterly self-serving and morally bankrupt. They had not ethical foundation as evidenced by the fact that there was no position they wouldn't abandon if they felt it would advance their chances of winning.
I couldn't be more relieved they lost. I'm also totally jealous of them. Why shouldn't I be? It must be nice to be the golden boy.
I'd love a five+ party system. Let's get some real competition going. It improves voter turnout!
Romney was a chameleon. I would rather have a Bachmann who I could rely on to be a right-wingnut than Romney because I'd never know how to fight against him.
I've watched a lot of political campaigns in my day and I've never seen such an entitled couple as the Romneys. It was awe-inspiring. It made me wish I could be that much of a narcissist. It must be nice going through life thinking the world had been created for me personally.
I truly believe that Romney had no desire to become president beyond that he just felt he deserved it. His lovely wife Ann did say "it's Mitt's turn." I found them utterly self-serving and morally bankrupt. They had not ethical foundation as evidenced by the fact that there was no position they wouldn't abandon if they felt it would advance their chances of winning.
I couldn't be more relieved they lost. I'm also totally jealous of them. Why shouldn't I be? It must be nice to be the golden boy.
Nice to be wealthy, maybe. At the expense of a moral compass? Not even remotely worth it.
Polls showing somewhere around 80% of Mormons voting for Romney is what I was finding, too, Rogar.
While many of our faith vote Republican - not all do. The Sunday before the election - not a word about the election - actually nor the Sunday before that, and the Sunday before that...in fact I never heard anything about the election at Church. The one time I heard about the election was between sessions of "General Conference" when Church news service reported that because of Romney, there had been an upsurge in interest about the Church.
I truely think Romney would have governed from the middle.
While many of our faith vote Republican - not all do.
What??? You mean we can't pigeon hole, stereotype and then marginalize Mormons as a collective, either? The search goes on...
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