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Amaranth
1-4-13, 3:05pm
Australia has set their challenge dates For May 6-10 for 2013. Probably the amount will be AU$10 for the 5 days or $2 a day.
Possibly the US challenge will be the same week. If it's the same as last year-- US$1.50 a day.
I think the UK and NZ were different weeks last year with 1 pound and NZ$2.25 per day.
Not sure about other countries.

At this point, you can sign up to be notified about the challenge. They usually have info on frugal recipes closer to the time of the challenge.
https://www.livebelowtheline.com/
There are also several facebook pages for different countries and groups.

Want to give it a go this year?

Amaranth
2-14-13, 3:16pm
The Uk group has their recipe book, five different shopping lists with menu plans, and some blogs from a previous round up on their site:
Their challenge is for £1 for 5 days. People are gennerally using their £5 to get food for the whole week at once.

Link to the cookbook is on this page:
https://www.livebelowtheline.com/uk-guidance
The only things I would add to it are to use the sausage skin in some way--julienne or finely dicing it and to use some sourdough starter to make the pzza dough rather than having it as a flatbread.

The link to the five shopping lists and menus is on the same page.
These I want to think a bit more about and perhaps come up with a 6th possibility based on the options listed. Am debating whether it would be good to get some sort of whole food such as onions or a bit of hot pepper in place of the sauces. Think I'd keep the tomato sauce though. For a bit more variety within the menus, sometimes I might use the ingredients in a rice or pasta dish to make a soup instead.

From the blogs, I learned the most from Adam' and Chris/Erica's.

puglogic
2-15-13, 11:39am
I've signed up for notification. I like challenges like this occasionally.
I think the only problem for us is that we eat organically a lot -- which shoots the budget pretty well. We do get things like flour, oats, legumes, etc. at very cheap per-pound prices so maybe there's still hope. Plus it wouldn't kill me to eat conventional tomato sauce for five days :)

How does garden produce factor into this kind of challenge, Amaranth? Is it cheating? How do you place a "cost" on a head of lettuce you raised, etc.?

And how do YOU (when you do this) value spices? Are they freebies for you, or do you assign a value like "5 cents a teaspoon" or something like that?

Ditto for bulk foods. We buy certain things (like black beans, oats) in bulk, to bring down the per-pound price. Do you have to buy things at full-price retail in order to include them in your tally? That would be going a little overboard for me, as even when I was very low on the economic food chain I still saved my pennies and tried to buy things in bulk.

Amaranth
2-15-13, 4:14pm
For garden produce you could figure how much the garden costs you per day(seeds + fertilizer and soil amendments + water + plot rental if any) and then divide that by the number of people using the produce per day. And this amount could also depend on whether you are just eating items fresh or if you preserve from it and eat from the garden 365 days of the year.

Or you can calculate yields based on individual plants.

For example say a head of lettuce raised with rainfall in an intensive planting:
.005 per seed
.0125 fertilizer
---------
.0175 or about 2 cents a head

Or tomatoes raised with watering in a year without a lot of rain also intensive planting:
.03 per seed
.15 fertilizer
.77 water
------------
.95 per plant
If you get a high yield of 16 pounds from the plant, then the cost would be about 6 cents per pound.

For herbs and spices, if you are growing them you can figure things as for the vegetables. If purchased, a powdered herb or spice gotten at 3 bottles for a $1 might be around 1 cent a teaspoon.

The other thing to consider is how you’d like to do the challenge:

Will it be empty cupboard? If so you might just get salt and then use food such as onions, garlic, and a hot pepper or two as your spices.

Will you be splitting larger bulk items with family or friends? If so there are more opportunities for diversity for both food and spicing.

Will you be prorating the cost of using items you already have? If so that gives you the most diversity and makes the challenge more of an ongoing one rather than the sort of contained one that you get doing empty cupboard or group friend purchases for the challenge.

rerun
2-16-13, 11:25am
Wow, this is great way to raise awareness. Thinking of how to do this with my family of 4.

Amaranth
2-18-13, 3:04pm
Rerun, if a family will be involved, it's worth asking them to brainstorm some meals and pretest some recipes, so you have a collection of frugal ones that the family likes. Also if you get some sourdough going that helps. Do you have space for a spring garden?

rerun
2-22-13, 6:29pm
We have a plot in our church community garden. I am thinking of getting our church involved and try to do it together as a group. I noticed the website for the US isn't up yet. To be honest, the boys are pretty easy in regards to eating. So I guess we would plan on $6/day for all 4 of us.

Amaranth
3-12-13, 8:40am
To mark the launch of Live Below the Line 2013, former Masterchef contestants Dani Venn, Alana Lowes, Alice Zaslavsky, Beau Cook and Tregan Spiteri will compete to create the best set of meals using only AU$10 worth of ingredients.
http://everguide.com.au/melbourne/event/2013-mar-22/live-below-the-line-celebrity-cookoff/
Venn cooks Chinese and also has a fondness for Vietnamese street food.
Alice Zaslavsky's specialty is Georgian food.
Beau Cook likes to cook straight from the garden.
Sounds like there could be some good variety of dish types in the challenge. Haven't been able to find out if they get to choose their ingredients or if they are all working from the same ingredients.

Who would you like to see participate in a similar cook off or take the Live Below The Line Challenge? Some I think would be great at the challenge would be:
Elizabeth Andoh for her kansha skills at using every part of the food.
Amy Dacyczyn because she is good at using whatever is available in a master recipe.
Madhur Jaffrey to see what fun she would have with Indian flavors in a challenge like this.
Lynne Rossetto Kasper as she is very good at using ingredients in innovative and tasty ways.
Giada de Laurentis for her skills at featuring the individual flavors of foods plus her ability to add the wow factor to simple things.

Amaranth
3-15-13, 10:40pm
More contributions to the project. A few more menus and recipes:

There’s a Buddy Matching Program for Live Below The Line so people can bounce ideas off of each other.
http://www.globalpovertyproject.com/blog/view/717
If you ask for a buddy from near you, it could be helpful in terms of letting each other know about local frugal food resources. If you ask for one from a different culinary area, you might be able to share ideas for favorite frugal dishes from each area.

Some UK chefs are urging people to cook from scratch:
http://www.squaremeal.co.uk/diary/view/16591/Uk_Chefs_Challenge_Londoners_to_Live_Below_the_Lin e
Pizarro’s family recipe sounds good to me: –
a potato-and-vegetable dish called poor man’s potatoes – which combines peppers, onions, roast potato, garlic and thyme. ‘Back in Spain, this dish is very popular because it is so versatile,’ he said. ‘It is so easy to use potatoes as a main ingredient because they are cheap and you can pack them full of flavour.’
This is in the facebook cookbook below.
In Australia chefs are developing plans centered around frugal ingredients such as pasta, rice, or flour.
https://www.livebelowtheline.com.au/recipes
They suggest ways of getting some vegetables in to meals as much as possible such as by using mixed frozen vegetables, pumpkin soup, or corn fritters. In Dani’s pasta menus, she has room for a second bag of vegetables and maybe a banana or perhaps another selection of vegetables.
Julie has instructions for making a bread item sort of like a baked dumpling/biscuit/scone called a damper that I hadn’t heard of before. Under less frugal conditions, it looks like something where the nutrition could be increased by adding minced trail mix type ingredients.

Malcolm Jolley showed how a group sharing ingredients could make a more interesting and nutritious ramen noodle dish.
http://www.goodfoodrevolution.com/below-the-line/
Was intrigued by the way he used his chef skills to make an appealing presentation.

Recipes by celebrity chefs. Many of these are variations of frugal ethnic recipes such as a chicken mushroom flat bread, Italian, Indian, or Chinese style food.
http://www.facebook.com/LBLuk/app_587576234592804

Another section has participant submitted recipes
http://www.facebook.com/LBLuk/app_587576234592804
I’d like to try Cambodian Fried Rice, Saag Aloo, and a couple of others.
I hadn’t thought of mixing beans to make a chili-curry as in Baked Bean Curry.
Looking forward to what people add.

Amaranth
3-20-13, 11:49am
Just noticed there is a place to submit your own recipes for the challenge in the facebook app listed above.
http://www.facebook.com/LBLuk/app_587576234592804

Two places I think we could be of service are frugal scratch cooking and getting more nutrition into the recipes. For example it's often possible to make ramen noodle type dishes much cheaper by using spaghetti that is on sale rather than ramen noodles and then using the rest of the money for other ingredients. Plus msg and excess salt can be omitted, resulting in a more delicious dish.

What are some other strategies we could suggest?

Mrs.B
3-26-13, 4:32pm
I love this idea, I love the challenge to see what it would feel like to "live below the line" As a youth leader I would participate each year in the "30 Hour Famine" in which we would fast for 30 hours (liquids only) While doing this we would help out at the local food banks, homeless shelters, plus raise money and awareness for World Vision. Most of the teens would walk away with a new mindset about hunger, and what that really felt like, for many of these youth it would be the start to volunteering on their own.

Amaranth
3-27-13, 4:45pm
It really does give you a chance to view things from a different perspective for a bit. Involving youth does seem to make a really big impact. Here are a couple more people working on the challenge:

Connie Primmer’s Shopping Trip and first day on the challenge. She could have gotten more spaghetti by buying dried I think. I don’t know if tomato sauce would have been a better deal than the value brand tomato soup. Anyone know? If so she might be able to get some other vegetables and make her own soup and pasta sauce.
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/local/the-poverty-challenge-live-below-the-line-day-one-1-4941058

Kirstie McCrum managed to get a fruit and 2 vegetables a day, but it looks like she ate the same thing every day and only got about 40% of the calories she needed a day. On the plus side she managed to get in some whole foods. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/need-to-read/2013/03/26/could-you-live-on-1-a-day-life-on-the-poverty-line-put-to-the-test-91466-33064900/2/

The Frugal Exerciser is working on her shopping list and doing some cost comparisons in her area.
http://thefrugalexerciser.blogspot.com/2013/03/live-below-line-challenge.html
She plans to make one pot of soup with most of her ingredients. This has two advantages in that you get some of each of the foods each day. Also it can be divided into 5 parts so you know you have some for each day. The down side is that you wind up eating the same thing each day which a number of previous participants start lamenting about day 3. One way to make it a bit different is to use one or two of the vegetables in each day’s soup so it will have a different flavor each day.

Amaranth
3-28-13, 10:03am
Here’s Connie on day 3—questioning the nutrition and wondering about the amount of actual tomatoes in her tomato soup. Experiencing broccoli cravings.
http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/local/the-poverty-challenge-live-below-the-line-day-three-1-4944537

Some places are suggesting having a Come Dine Below the Line Dinner Party at your house to get conversations going about LBL and hunger awareness. The dinner would be made for US50 cents/UK33 pence/Your equivalent a person. The best meals for this would probably be soup and sourdough bread, flavorful beans over rice, curried beans over rice, bean burritos and rice, bean based chili and cornbread, fried rice, pizza, or a vegetarian/minimal meat spaghetti and sourdough garlic bread. What would you cook for a dinner like this? I'd probably got with soup and bread or pizza and salad depending on what was in the garden.

In Melbourne, former MasterChef contestants reunited for an LBL cook off. Each team had AU$10 to cook 5 day’s worth of food. Dishes included , stir-fries, meatballs, herbed tuna pasta, fried rice, pizza, and chili bread dip.
http://www.meldmagazine.com.au/2013/03/masterchef-reunion-live-below-the-line-celebrity-cook-off/

Here’s a family taking on the challenge and planning to improve their nutrition with food from the garden.
http://www.eveshamjournal.co.uk/news/10303804.Meet_the_family_who_will_live_on___1_a_da y/

rerun
3-28-13, 7:09pm
I am signing up on the website this weekend. I made an announcement at my church and now have 3 to 4 people who are going to "live below the line" with me. Thank you so much for sharing this. I will definitely want to use the recipes. I am already thinking that exercise during this week will probably be out since that would increase my appetite.

Tiam
3-29-13, 12:09am
I went to the site and looked at the "recipe guide". It's in British pounds, and so it explains some of the pricing differences but not all. For instance the recipe guide shows a price book for ingredients including two packs of Passata for 29 p. Huh? Even with conversion factored in, there is no comparison for that here. I went to the store today and packs of passata were $3.29 each. A packet of spaghetti, a tin of beans and a tin of tomato puree were all under .30 p on the site. A tin of kidney beans was 18 p. I could not match that.. Now if I factored in the difference in currency (not sure of the math here) I'm pretty sure I couldn't match these prices adjusted. So, is the expectation inaccurate or is it out of date? So, could I even do this and do as well as the people on the site? I realize this is a general guide but the difference seems quite large to me.

Amaranth
3-30-13, 12:38pm
Rerun, that's great about your fellow church members participating. Some groups or offices like to do an LBL potluck. And people have found that exercising other than an easy walk is not feasible for the week usually. Some people have been able to continue to bike commute but found it difficult.

Tiam, if you multiply the pence by about 1.5, you will have US dollar equivalents. So 30 pence is about 45 UScents.

The prices for the UK recipes are usually for the store value brand, mostly Tesco prices I think. Are there any canned tomatoes or tomato sauce on sale in your area that are good deals? Some areas have 28oz cans for 50 cents on special sales. What does your area have special sales on in the spring? Can you find any of these:
Potatoes at 10lbs/$1
Sweet potatoes .25 or .33 pound
Cabbage .33 pound
Rice for .25-.50 pound
Beans/Lentils for less than .50 a pound
Eggs for .50-1.00 a dozen
Flour on sale so you can do sourdough bread from your own starter
Greens for .39 pound
Garlic .10 head
Onions .25-.33 pound

Tiam
3-30-13, 10:37pm
.30 = .45.....well, then I'd say it still doesn't add up to where it would be equal. I can't say when I've ever seen any tomato product that cheap, except occasionally the small 6 oz cans of tomato sauce will go for about .20 cents a can. Either the cookbook is dated or food is much, much cheaper in GB. I can't equal many of those prices. Not a one, unless in some sort of ultra bulk. I bought sweet potatos (yams because they were cheaper) at 69. a pound because that was the sale. A bag of lentils for 90. cents Eggs are 1.80 a dozen, but I usually buy a flat for about 6.00 (that's about 3 dozen small eggs) Rice and beans and legumes in my area, even in bulk at Winco are over .75 a pound. The cabbage might come closer and the potatoes, can't even get the 10 pounds for a buck anymore. 5 pounds maybe. The prices just don't add up with what the cookbook says it could do. I think if I tried this I could do something, but not eat as well as what they are saying. So, it seems their calculations aren't correct. So, if I tried this, I'd be eating something radically different. Like just rice and beans and cabbage maybe. Who was it on this forum who was trying a radically reduced cost diet and said eventually the monotony was killing her/him. Can't remember who that was or how that ended.

Miss Cellane
4-1-13, 1:19pm
Agreeing with Tiam that the British cookbook and shopping guide really don't translate over to the US.

For example:
1 tin of kidney beans - 18p--best I could do was store brand kidney beans, 69 cents for 15.5 oz. I could also buy one pound of dry kidney beans, but that would cost $2.19, more than a whole day's food allowance. I'd have to eat beans two meals a day, and I'd still need to buy something to eat with them, or at least cook with them to give them some flavor.
1 Wholemeal loaf (800g) - 47p--store brand whole wheat bread, $1.99
1 bag of frozen mixed vegetables - 73p--1 pound bag of frozen peas and carrots, store brand, $1.00 on sale
1 bag of spaghetti - 25p--1 pound box of spaghetti--on sale for 89 cents (and that was a really good sale, usually the lowest I can find is 99 cents a pound)
1 bag of rice – 40p--1 pound bag of white rice, $1.45
2 tins of tomato puree - 25p--I can find 6 oz. cans of tomato sauce for 50 cents a can, or a dollar for two of them.

Tomato soup--the lowest I could find was 99 cents, for 2.5 one-half cup servings.
Canned tomatoes--sometimes the large 26 oz cans go on sale for a dollar.

Not saying this can't be done in the US, but the entire menu and which foods are cheapest would need to be re-done to match the prices over here.

Not even looking at the price conversion, the individual items just take up a larger percentage of each day's food allowance. If you figure half a can of soup for one meal, that's basically 50 cents, or one third of the $1.50 per day allowance. Whereas one of the bloggers was able to buy tomato soup for 24 p. If she ate half a can of soup for a meal, that's 12 p. Even if she ate the entire can at one meal, that's only a quarter of her day's allowance, and she's had twice as much food as someone from the US eating 50 cents worth of soup.

The more I look into this, the only way I could do this would be to take 50 cents or a dollar's worth out of my existing supplies of things like flour, rice and oatmeal. Buying small sizes of things just for this challenge is simply too expensive.

If I could measure out a few cents worth of yeast and a dollar's worth of flour and a tiny bit of salt, I could bake bread and pizza. If I had to buy yeast and flour and salt, I could make the same things, but I'd have a ton of flour and salt and yeast left over, and no money to buy anything else.

Amaranth
4-2-13, 11:56am
Tiam and Cellane, thank you for doing those comparisons.

Can anyone match the UK prices using store brand items or sales? Would it help to get loss leaders for several weeks before the challenge? This is more easily done with canned tomatoes or pasta or flour. The week before for cabbage, onions, potatoes, or apples would probably work fine too.

What foods do you think would be good to use for the US version of the challenge?

Tiam, the monotony is a serious problem on these challenges or in real life situations. Most people regret making a large pot of something and having to eat it in every slot of that type such as soup for lunch. It can help to use the ingredients more sequentially(carrot and potato soup one day, onion and potato the next) or to fix the food in different forms--some toast, some flatbread.

For bread, I'd go with splitting flour with others and using a spoonful of sourdough starter to reduce the expenses.

Do you think the US$1.50 per day for a total of 7.50 for 5 days is workable or do you think it needs to be more like $2 a day to make it challenging but doable?

Amaranth
4-2-13, 1:35pm
I added another item in the post above.

Here are some reports from people involved in the challenge.

Connie on day 5

I’m writing this in a haze of chocolate, chips, cheese and Marmite. It’s the day after my completed extreme poverty challenge and I’m on a mission to eat everything I’ve had a drool-inducing daydream about over the past five days.http://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/business/the-poverty-challenge-below-the-line-day-five-1-4954888

After and experience in Cambodia, Brittany is taking the challenge:
http://www.globalpovertyproject.com/blog/view/726

Gemma did the challenge all through Lent:
http://www.globalpovertyproject.com/blog/view/726
One of their coworkers took their combined money and made them a live below the line lunch of
 Soup – 21p
 Bread – 5p
 Houmous – 10p
 Muffins – 12p
Total = 48p
http://gemmahume.com/tag/live-below-the-line-tips/
Also look on her site of a video of some of her recipes.

Ennis Esmer is trying the challenge and trying to involve other entertainment people. A restaurant is working up a dish for challenges participants.
http://www.ctv.ca/TheListener/article/Can-you-eat-for-24175-a-day-The-Listeners-Ennis-Esmer-is-about-to-find-out

Miss Cellane
4-2-13, 5:07pm
After a trip to the supermarket today, I came away with the following prices: (everything is store brand unless otherwise stated)

Giant white loaf of bread: $1.29
Small jar of peanut butter: $2.29
5 pound bag of potatoes: $1.99 on sale
10 pound bag of potatoes: $3.99
onions: 89 cents/pound
loose potatoes (so you can pick as few as you need): 79 cents/pound
oatmeal, 1 lb. 2 oz. box: $1.29 (makes 13 servings using 1/2 cup of dry oatmeal)
hot dogs, pack of 10: $1.99
tomato soup: 80 cents (this is the cheapest I've ever seen)
Ramen noodles: 20 cents per package
28 oz can of tomatoes (whole, diced, pureed all the same cost): 99 cents
frozen vegetables: 99 cents per 1 lb. bag
can of beans: 69 cents

And at Trader Joes, they have bananas for 19 cents each. (Although TJ's is a 30 minute round trip by car and I'm not sure someone living on $1.50 a day would be able to make the trip.)

One shopping list I could make from this would be:

oatmeal: $1.29
5 pounds potatoes: $1.99
1 can tomatoes: 99 cents
1 onion: 20 cents (guesstimate)
can of beans: 69 cents
frozen green beans: 99 cents
frozen peas and carrots: 99 cents
1 package of Ramen noodles

Might swap one bag of frozen vegetables for 5 bananas.

This would cost roughly $7.34.

The oatmeal would be for breakfast. Instead of my usual 1/2 cup of oatmeal, I'd have one full cup. That would give me 5 breakfasts, plus three 1/2 cup servings over, which could be snacks.

Lunch and dinner would be the same every day. A base of potatoes, baked or boiled, with a sort of stew of tomatoes, onion, and beans over top. With a side of green beans or peas and carrots.

The Ramen noodles would be a snack. But also, I never use the entire seasoning pack, so I could use that to flavor one or two portions of potatoes, for a change of pace.

I still need to price out lentils and rice and a few other things.

My biggest problem is that I would be doing this alone. No one seems willing to join in the challenge, although they are interested in watching me do it. So I'm faced with buying small packages of things that have higher unit costs. And given the cost, that pretty much limits me to having the same meal twice a day, every day for 5 days. Clearly, getting a group together and buying the larger sizes with the lower per unit costs is the best way to do this.

Amaranth
4-5-13, 10:40am
Wow, Cellane, those are some really tough prices. A couple of good loss leaders would be a big help.

And so would being able to split some larger bags of food. Are there any local websites you might be able to post about the challenge, civic/religious groups that might join in, or a newspaper that might do an article to gather more particpants?

Is there any place that has a bag of some type of dry beans for less than the price of canned beans or .69+.16 left =.85. If so you could have more beans.

Do any of the canned tomatoes include either an Italian spiced version or a Mexican spiced version? If so that could give more flavor to some of the dishes.

Also if you keep the lunch and dinner ingredients separate rather than combining them and having the same thing for 10 meals you could vary the format a bit so it would seem like you were having different foods. For example:

1) Potato skin spread with a bit of tomato and broiled, diced baked potatoes , beans cooked with onions, green beans
2) Potato, tomato, bean, pea and carrot stew with some ramen spices
3) Italian green beans (green beans cooked with tomatoes, baked potato, refried beans
4) Mashed potato patty, peas and carrots, fresh onion relish
5) Baked potato topped with tomato beans , green beans
6) Bean burgers (beans, potato, tomato), green beans
7) Cook a quarter of the ramen noodles broken into 1 inch lengths in 1.5 cups of water plus a tablespoon of tomato juice; add a bit of ramen spice, and eat as tomato noodle soup.
8) Heat a cup of water plus a tablespoon of tomato juice and drink as a hot beverage.
9) Heat a cup of water plus a pinch of ramen spice and drink as a hot beverage.

Jilly
4-5-13, 12:58pm
... So I'm faced with buying small packages of things that have higher unit costs. And given the cost, that pretty much limits me to having the same meal twice a day, every day for 5 days. Clearly, getting a group together and buying the larger sizes with the lower per unit costs is the best way to do this.

What you are experiencing is exactly what those of us who live (or in my case have lived) at this level of poverty. It is a struggle to maintain daily and nutritious meals and still try to save pennies so that it is possible to eventually buy something with a lower unit price.

That time not only gave me perspective and the ability to survive on much less than I thought I could, but it supported my usual frugal practices, helping me to change them from the realm of choices to commitment and to finding ways to reduce waste of all kinds.

Anyone willing to participate in this project is most likely to be changed by it and that can only flow out into how they manage other parts of their lives. I am hoping that happens for me.

Jilly
4-5-13, 1:02pm
I am also going to take the bus and not use my car. That imposes limits on how much I can carry, and influences my choices in terms of weight and distance I still have to walk, at both ends of the bus ride.

Miss Cellane
4-5-13, 4:52pm
Amaranth, can you explain the difference between my buying a large package of something and separating it into, say, the dollar's worth that I'd eat for the 5 days, and getting together with someone else to split the larger size package? To me, they are basically the same thing.

Tiam
4-6-13, 12:57am
Agreeing with Tiam that the British cookbook and shopping guide really don't translate over to the US.

For example:
1 tin of kidney beans - 18p--best I could do was store brand kidney beans, 69 cents for 15.5 oz. I could also buy one pound of dry kidney beans, but that would cost $2.19, more than a whole day's food allowance. I'd have to eat beans two meals a day, and I'd still need to buy something to eat with them, or at least cook with them to give them some flavor.
1 Wholemeal loaf (800g) - 47p--store brand whole wheat bread, $1.99
1 bag of frozen mixed vegetables - 73p--1 pound bag of frozen peas and carrots, store brand, $1.00 on sale
1 bag of spaghetti - 25p--1 pound box of spaghetti--on sale for 89 cents (and that was a really good sale, usually the lowest I can find is 99 cents a pound)
1 bag of rice – 40p--1 pound bag of white rice, $1.45
2 tins of tomato puree - 25p--I can find 6 oz. cans of tomato sauce for 50 cents a can, or a dollar for two of them.

Tomato soup--the lowest I could find was 99 cents, for 2.5 one-half cup servings.
Canned tomatoes--sometimes the large 26 oz cans go on sale for a dollar.

Not saying this can't be done in the US, but the entire menu and which foods are cheapest would need to be re-done to match the prices over here.

Not even looking at the price conversion, the individual items just take up a larger percentage of each day's food allowance. If you figure half a can of soup for one meal, that's basically 50 cents, or one third of the $1.50 per day allowance. Whereas one of the bloggers was able to buy tomato soup for 24 p. If she ate half a can of soup for a meal, that's 12 p. Even if she ate the entire can at one meal, that's only a quarter of her day's allowance, and she's had twice as much food as someone from the US eating 50 cents worth of soup.

The more I look into this, the only way I could do this would be to take 50 cents or a dollar's worth out of my existing supplies of things like flour, rice and oatmeal. Buying small sizes of things just for this challenge is simply too expensive.

If I could measure out a few cents worth of yeast and a dollar's worth of flour and a tiny bit of salt, I could bake bread and pizza. If I had to buy yeast and flour and salt, I could make the same things, but I'd have a ton of flour and salt and yeast left over, and no money to buy anything else.

I'm so glad you said this. I felt like I was just being negative and no one really understood what I was saying.

Miss Cellane
4-6-13, 11:12am
I'm so glad you said this. I felt like I was just being negative and no one really understood what I was saying.

No problem. I was surprised at the differences in prices between the US and the UK. We simply don't have food that cheap.


Potatoes at 10lbs/$1
Sweet potatoes .25 or .33 pound
Cabbage .33 pound
Rice for .25-.50 pound
Beans/Lentils for less than .50 a pound
Eggs for .50-1.00 a dozen
Flour on sale so you can do sourdough bread from your own starter
Greens for .39 pound
Garlic .10 head
Onions .25-.33 pound

These prices simply don't exist in my area. I'm in New England, which I believe has a higher cost of living than many places in the US. I tend to buy only store brands and I shop the sales and I mostly shop at the least expensive supermarket in the area. Ten pounds of potatoes for a dollar? Just not happening. If you can find potatoes for under 30 cents a pound, you'd be lucky. Dry beans usually run over a dollar a pound. On sale, you *might* be able to get a pound for 89 cents. Onions run about 89 cents a pound. They rarely go on sale, but I wouldn't expect them to be any lower than 60 cents/pound if you could find a sale.

The only place you'd come close might be a farmer's market at the end of the day, when the sellers are willing to cut prices so they don't have to carry everything home with them. The prices still wouldn't be as low as this list, but they'd be lower than in a supermarket. However, the farmer's markets don't start up around here until June. We have only this week had enough snow melt that you can now see the ground.

I've been trying to find blogs from people in the US who did the challenge last year. Most of them don't give a shopping list, and only talk about a few meals they ate, not everything. I did find this, from a guy in NYC, but he didn't give prices:


• 1 bag of rice
• 12 eggs
• 1 bag of lentils
• 1 bread
• 1 sweet potato
• 44 cents worth of bok choy (Chinese vegetable


I did find a Tumbler stream from a bunch of kids at a university who did the challenge last year--they seem to have relied heavily on Ramen noodles, which they don't recommend, as they mostly felt sick all week.

I keep feeling that I'm missing some basic, cheap food out there, but I can't think of what it is.

Part of the problem may just be that the basic assumption is that people in the US shop for food once a week, with maybe a quick trip in the middle of the week for more milk or bread. There simply aren't a lot of small sizes on the supermarket shelves, and you pay a premium to get the smaller size. Even when things go on sale, if it's 3 for a dollar, you may have to buy all three items to get the sale price. But things are simply sized in very large portions. I find this a problem day to day, as I live alone, and can't really deal with 10 pounds of potatoes before they start to go bad.

If you live where you existing on $1.50 a day, you can probably buy food in much smaller amounts than you can in the US.

sweetana3
4-6-13, 11:34am
The only time I have found prices that come close are when the store overbought or is getting rid of an item. I will not buy produce at Walmart but one time I found Butternut Squash for 11 cents a pound. Woohoo. We are in Indianapolis which has an enormous amount of competition among grocers so the sales can be good but you have to watch all the other prices.

Mrs.B
4-6-13, 4:55pm
I've been looking at my local grocer that sells most items I eat in bulk. Oatmeal, brown rice, pasta, beans etc. My hope is that doing it this way I can purchase just enough for the 5 days, I'm hoping it will give me some leftover for produce. Meat is not a problem (don't really like it) Also I eat on the 5-2 plan. Which means I fast (500 calories or less) 2 days a week (Monday & Thursday) and the other 5 days I eat as I please. Right now some of the items I use on my fast days are strawberries & cucumbers, both are very low in calorie and I just slice them up and snack at my desk all day. (work at home) So that may be a challenge. Cucumbers average .69 each in my area, strawberries are coming into season but are still way out of my "below the line" budget. So it will be interesting. Also my store sells tea bags individually in the bulk section for like .08 each! Need that caffeine!!.

reader99
4-7-13, 7:24am
Whoa. Reading all this and knowing how my body can't handle much carbs I'm realizing how fortunate I am that I don't have to live below the line - I wouldn't live long down there.

Amaranth
4-8-13, 11:39am
Baroness Jenkins is participating in LBL. She has participated twice before and raised £27,000 so far.
http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/10336988.Baroness_takes_the_poverty_line_challenge/

Chef Redfern is planning to make a meal for 50 with £50 as a fundraiser. He may include foraged food.
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Cheltenham-chef-holding-pound-1-head-feast/story-18642959-detail/story.html#axzz2PshXlexN


That imposes limits on how much I can carry
That’s a good related challenge as many are in that predicament that usually Live Below the Line. Also it can change what you buy as rice can be rehydrated at home with water from the tap, whereas you’d carry all the water in 10 pounds of potatoes home on foot.


Amaranth, can you explain the difference between my buying a large package of something and separating it into, say, the dollar's worth that I'd eat for the 5 days, and getting together with someone else to split the larger size package? To me, they are basically the same thing.
Over the course of a month, they would be the same for you. For a person in a real situation, it could mean say eating nothing but rice for Week 1. Then in Week 2 they could have the left over rice alternated with Bulk item 2. After a few months they might have worked their way to leftover variety in the pantry plus more balance in their weekly options. Also there is the issue of how long certain items hold up. Rice rationed over 2 months is different from a big bag of potatoes rationed over 2 months due to spoilage. Another advantage to the requirement of splitting it with other challengers is that it encourages the challenger to talk about it with more people in the hopes of finding enough people to split multiple large bulk items.;)

People who want to could delay doing the challenge until vegetables are available in their garden. Otherwise the person in Maine is at a tremendous disadvantage compared to the person in northern Florida though both might have access to free fish. Or you could make a decision to split packages with your future self. A post describing what you would have had in small whole package conditions to how much more nutrition you could have with splitting items would be very enlightening from both a nutrition and a repetitive food standpoint. If you can’t do the challenge without harming your health, I would go with splitting items with your future self.

I hope that more people will chime in about how doable the challenge is in your area. So far no one seems to be able to match the UK store brand prices in their area, or to have a similar balance but with different locally frugal foods. What do you think the daily amount needs to set at in the US to have equivalent nutrition to what can be found in the UK challenge conditions and prices? Could the US do it for 1.75 or 2.00 per day?


I'm so glad you said this. I felt like I was just being negative and no one really understood what I was saying.I thought you were making a valid point. You know the prices in your area and what can be done.


1 bag of rice
• 12 eggs
• 1 bag of lentils
• 1 bread
• 1 sweet potato
• 44 cents worth of bok choy (Chinese vegetable
Looks like he tried to balance the nutrition as much as possible. Amounts and types of items would help us know more. White or wheat bread would make a difference.


they seem to have relied heavily on Ramen noodles, which they don't recommend, as they mostly felt sick all week.

Ironically people can often do better getting pounds of plain pasta on sale. That might make an interesting challenge itself—to get the same amount of pasta, but then buy other nutritious items with the remaining money. One place where ramen does have the lead though is that the spice packets offer a lot of flavor.


I keep feeling that I'm missing some basic, cheap food out there, but I can't think of what it is
Most places it’s a grain or a starch or something that is grown in excess in the area for export to another region. But even at that maybe nothing in your area is as good as the UK prices.


Butternut Squash for 11 cents a pound

Wow that is a deal!


Need that caffeine!!.

One thing that people have found is that if they get off caffeine a few weeks before the challenge, it’s a lot easier. If not though it helps to make 3-4 cups of tea with the same bag.


knowing how my body can't handle much carbs

And this really highlights the worldwide long term health challenges from these type of diets.

Amaranth
4-10-13, 11:13am
How are people's plans going for the challenge?

Here are some updates from other participants:
Julie plans to participate based on her experiences working in India.
http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2013/04/09/could-you-live-below-the-line/

Ian talks about choices. There are also links to other hunger related articles and some thought provoking photos with captions.
http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/04/09/op-ed-choose-live-below-line-global-poverty-project
http://www.takepart.com/photos/witness

Madeleine is hosting a Live Below the Line Dinner Party for 50 cents a person. The menu is Pumpkin Soup and Damper(bread sort of like a biscuit/scone).
http://www.theleader.com.au/story/1416512/life-on-the-edge-to-help-the-poor/?cs=1255
Damper recipe
http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/12308/damper

A campus wide project.
http://www.dailyillini.com/news/campus/article_08eff526-a189-11e2-a7fb-0019bb30f31a.html

Molly has some menu suggestions that I think would work if you had a good sized team.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/molly-alexander-darden/eating-on-150-a-day-are-you-kidding_b_3046856.html

Turning malnourished children’s lives around in Sudan with Plumpy’nut supplementation.
http://blogs.unicef.org.uk/authentic_voices/archive/2013/04/09/child-nutrition-in-sudan-unicef-in-action-part-2.aspx
The ingredients in Plumpy'nut include "peanut-based paste, with sugar, vegetable fat and skimmed milk powder, enriched with vitamins and minerals".[

Amaranth
4-11-13, 1:00pm
Debi Mazar and her husband, chef Gabrielle Corcos, are participating in the challenge, and shared their tips for surviving the week:


We're going to shrink our plates, so it still looks like a lot of food. Obviously it's a very heavy carb thing," she said, listing some meal ideas that included using old bread to make the classic Tuscan vegetable soup ribollita or making basic rice and beans.

Pappa al pomodoro was suggested. They are on the show Extra Virgin on the cooking channel. It would be enlightening if they did a US version and a version in Italy where they have the family farm and could use the fresh produce there.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/10/live-below-the-line-debi-mazar_n_3053260.html

Tom Hiddleston is basing his menu around rice and potatoes.
I can’t get the video to work. Does anyone know of another link for the video?
http://entertainment.stv.tv/tv/221044-thor-star-tom-hiddleston-living-on-93p-a-day-for-unicef-challenge/

Here’s a set of recipes from Canada for Apple Cinnamon Pancakes, Curried Vegetable Soup and Linguine with Sausage and Mushroom Ragout. The recipes look good and frugal, but I think the portion sizes are only about right for a 4-7 year old. They are good at showing how to maximize fresh ingredients with from scratch cooking.
http://blogs.leaderpost.com/2013/04/10/can-canadians-live-off-1-75/

Amaranth
4-12-13, 2:03pm
Has anyone spotted anymore menus or shopping lists from people doing the challenge? Or come across any super frugal items locally?

Amaranth
4-16-13, 10:37am
Here's one where people maximized their nutrition for their money with rice, potatoes, bread, eggs, frozen vegetable mix, carrots, bananas, pasta sauce and more. They also varied how they cooked their foods. Good photo documentation.
http://livingbelowtheline.ca/

Recent improvements in poverty situations due to help from challenges like this:
http://www.care2.com/causes/how-much-change-can-you-make-from-1-75-a-day.html

Josh Groban is encouraging fans to take the challenge. His song, “Below The Line” was inspired by his work with a global organization of the same name, which raises awareness about global poverty. This year, Groban has revamped his campaign and is asking fans to donate to the initiative and help support 10 charities that are fighting the poverty epidemic head on. For more information on Groban’s pledge and what you can do to help, visit his Live Below The Line page.
https://www.livebelowtheline.com/me/joshgroban

Amaranth
4-18-13, 3:24pm
UK strategies. Good discussion on tradeoffs:
http://psalm62v5-8.blogspot.com/2013/04/live-below-line-day-2.html

Pea soup recipe for LBL:
http://aveganobsession.blogspot.com/

Garlic pasta recipe for .33/person (think that’s Canadian cents).
Although she uses a yard sale pasta maker, you can do it with a rolling pin.
http://cupcakesalwayswin.com/2013/04/18/homemade-pasta-with-roasted-garlic/
She plans to post two more LBL recipes.

Potential LBL specials this week are a mix of the healthy and not so healthy:
Broccoli, fresh, .88/lb
Chicken .79/lb
Hotdogs 1.00/pkg

But all are still high enough that it would still make the challenge tough.

Amaranth
4-23-13, 1:19pm
Lauren wiil be blogging about doing the challenge while living in a college dorm here.
https://www.livebelowtheline.com/me/laurenbosche
Her initial thoughts are here
http://www.skidmorenews.com/op-ed/live-below-the-line-1.3033471#.UXar0L7D_mQ

Ben Affleck has joined the celebrity participants.
http://www.examiner.com/article/ben-affleck-1-50-celeb-to-live-on-1-50-a-day-to-highlight-poverty
http://www.examiner.com/article/ben-affleck-will-live-on-1-50-a-day-to-live-below-the-line
http://www.inquisitr.com/631004/ben-affleck-living-on-1-50-a-day/

Reporters Lydia and Jess:
They are eating oatmeal and various flavors of soup noodle packets.
A significant bargain has been end of the day sandwiches or wraps from Marks and Spencer for 10p.
Drinking copious amounts of water has also helped.
http://www.herefordtimes.com/news/johnson/10371361.Live_Below_the_Line___Day_Two/

Ninth grader Sydney challenges fellow Utah students to participate.
In her video she shows sample dishes and their costs.
There is supposed to be a list of food suggestions on the fox13now website too, but I can’t find it.
http://fox13now.com/2013/04/22/utah-student-spearheading-poverty-awareness-campaign/

Price checking and planning soups for supper.
http://www.movingfoodie.com/2013/04/live-below-line-one-week-to-go.html
Also found some recipes at Sprouted Kitchen that might work
http://www.sproutedkitchen.com/recipes/

Olivia makes rice salad for 19p a serving
http://www.graziadaily.co.uk/food/day-2--grazia-lives-below-the-line-for-the-global-poverty-project

Grocery Game suggests soup, potato, and pasta recipes as well as sprouts for the challenge.
The recipes include costs to make. Note that one of the recipe links is broken. Others working ok.
http://www.thegrocerygame.com/blog?p=1663960942

Link to blogs of New South Wales participants
http://www.uswsu.com/content/915143/

Nutritious Blondie recipe for the challenge
http://cupcakesalwayswin.com/2013/04/23/easiest-vegan-and-gluten-free-blondies/

Here’s a person attempting a 1000 mile bike ride over 5 weeks while on the challenge:
http://lunnylbtl.wordpress.com/

In the UK participants are sharing additional frugal finds. The ones in addition to the Tesco ones already noted are
ASDA 4 yoghurts for 30p
ASDA pasta (probably 500g-can someone check?) 19p

Any deals to share for other places?

Amaranth
4-25-13, 1:49pm
Anyone with a tentative grocery list or menu yet?


Max Deane’s Shopping list and menu. Tea with milk is an important component. Flavored vegetables and rice is my favorite part.
https://www.livebelowtheline.com/me/studentdinners

Shadi Fathizadeh cooks multi-flavor pasta for James and Mark
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Apj1OaWsMk

Sidra’s day—website having some trouble
http://www.madeineurope.org.uk/updates/item/my-live-below-the-line-diary

Daniel makes eggs for breakfast, vegetable spaghetti for lunch, and bread pizza for dinner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2scaJGB8bMQ

Photographic diary of Clea’s meals include onion dal, home made humous, grated carrots, pita, veggie burgers, vegetable curry using butternut squash over couscous.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.512306982165568.1073741825.143263925736544&type=1

Peace Direct does a team lunch of Egg fried rice with peas, beans, cashew nuts and ginger. And a slice of pineapple for dessert!
https://www.facebook.com/Peacedirect?group_id=0

GPP asks what you can cook out of the items from this shopping trip. Having trouble figuring out all the ingredients in the photo.
Can anyone with a large screen read the register receipt?
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=495452610517672&set=a.145167802212823.30995.143263925736544&type=1&theater

Using their garden for the challenge. For 2 pence you can have 5 spinach plants for example.
http://makewealthhistory.org/2012/04/26/lbtl-day-4-growing-your-own/

Emma did quite a bit of research before shopping. Emma grows her own vegetables as well for 1-3 pence per vegetable. She also makes use of perennial herbs.
http://england.lovefoodhatewaste.com/blog/2012/04/day-one-challenge-could-you-feed-yourself-%C2%A31-day
Other posts on her blog help people maximize the use of their food.

Effie is doing the challenge in a very tiny kitchen. She planned carefully to maximize nutrition. Hot water with lemon subbed for her usual hot beverages.
http://effiesfoodblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/getting-ready-for-live-below-line.html
http://effiesfoodblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/day-1-live-below-line.html
http://effiesfoodblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/day-2-live-below-line.html
http://effiesfoodblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/day-three-live-below-line.html
http://effiesfoodblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/day-4-live-below-line.html
http://effiesfoodblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/day-5-live-below-line.html

Canadian celebrities participating
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/04/24/5367895/canadians-voice-a-hunger-for-change.html

UK Minister centering meals around rice and lentils. Trying to choose between oatmeal or peanut butter toast for breadfast. She also plans to cycle for transportation that week.
http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/news/10375945.Church_minister_to_live_on___1_a_day_for_ poverty_charity/

Amaranth
4-27-13, 1:25pm
Morra is going as healthy and whole foods as possible with brown rice, black beans, greens and eggs plus some fruit.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/morra-aaronsmele/eating-at-the-ritz-on-150_b_3153598.html

Chefs contribute recipes for LBL challenge:
Smoothie(CAN$0.50), Caramelized Onion and Potato Frittata(CAN$0.63), Linguine with Sausage and Mushroom Ragout(CAN$0.64).
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/life/Economical+smoothie+frittata+pasta+recipes+dont+sa crifice+flavour/8293927/story.html

Roast Carrot and Chickpea Soup
http://thefrugalcook.blogspot.co.uk/2011/01/two-ways-with-carrots-and-chickpeas.html

30p Chili and other Frugal Recipes
http://agirlcalledjack.com/
9p Indian spiced veggie burger
http://agirlcalledjack.com/2013/04/06/carrot-cumin-kidney-bean-burger-9p/
43p Leek, Savoy, and Smoked Cheese Pasta
http://agirlcalledjack.com/2013/04/03/leek-savoy-smoked-cheese-pasta-43p/
8p Sunshine Bread (A golden bread like a rising sun with Pineapple, Carrot and Sultana)
http://agirlcalledjack.com/2013/03/20/sunshine-bread-pineapple-carrot-sultana-8-pennies/
23p Feisty Tomato Soup
http://agirlcalledjack.com/2013/03/24/feisty-soup-23p/
and she has many more.

Amaranth
4-28-13, 11:19am
If you are doing the challenge and would like to also do guest posts on Jack Monroe's blog you can email her at
jackmonroe@live.co.uk

Here are her shopping trip results. I was hoping she would be able to get the 20 item(1.25kg) mixed root vegetable bag for £1 for the challenge but they were out.
http://agirlcalledjack.com/2013/04/28/my-live-below-the-line-challenge-2013/

Amaranth
4-29-13, 2:58pm
Who's planning to participate? Would you like us to help brainstorm ideas with your area's most frugal ingredients?

Mrs.B
5-1-13, 6:43pm
Well it's day 3 for me.
My menu has consisted of
Breakfast: Oatmeal and a pot of tea
Lunch : Monday was can of broth with Green onions
Tuesday: 1 apple and navy beans
today: Leftover fried rice.
Dinner on Monday: Can of veg soup with brown rice and navy beans added for substance.
Tuesday: Fried rice which was really brown rice green onions and the flavor packet.
Tonight: Tomato soup with rice and beans added.

Here is my shopping list: $7.50
Bulk food:
Oatmeal 1/2 lb .33
Brown rice 1/4 lb .15
Navy beans 1.25 lb $1.20
Sugar .15
Salt .09
5 bags of earl grey .50

Can goods
2 cans broth $1.00
VEg soup .70
Tomato soup .57

Fresh:
1 cucumber .48
1 bunch green onions .48
2 apples $1.03
EXTRA Fried rice packet .87
Was given .16 for using my own bags!!

No eggs, no fat, no dairy, no meat. I get one pot of tea a day, and the rest of the time is tap water.

Amaranth
5-3-13, 10:43am
Mrs.B, like how you founds ways to make the soups more hearty. Is it turning out to be close to enough food or are you hungry some of the day?

Jack is now #9 for UK fundraisers
http://agirlcalledjack.com/2013/05/
Note the comment where a reader uses her bean burger recipe to make mini-pasties with a homemade short crust pastry.

Will’s breakfast explodes in the microwave, and a batch of homemade rolls is enjoyed throughout the day.
http://www.london24.com/lifestyle/health-fitness/live_below_the_line_i_was_once_again_relying_on_my _bucket_load_of_rice_to_see_me_through_the_day_1_2 178714

Katherine is taking a whole foods approach:
http://www.greenthickies.com/blog/

Amaranth
5-16-13, 12:59pm
In a wonderful, amazing irony, AGirlCalledJack's recipes that she used for the challenge plus other similar ones are being given out to food bank recipients, a major book publisher has signed her to do a cookbook on them (though the advance won't come in soon enough to keep her and her small boy from losing her current small apartment and having to move to one room in someone else's house), and she just won the Judges Choice in the Fortnum And Mason Food And Drink Awards…

“Tonight’s Judges Choice Award, made at their discretion in recognition of a piece of work, an individual or a campaign thought to have inspired people to enjoy, explore and experiment with food and drink.

“Picked by the judges as ‘one to watch’, the award goes to a single mother from Southend, whose delicious recipes, published online, are so nutritious and thrifty that they are being handed out by food banks as examples of how to manage on next to nothing.”

Jilly
5-16-13, 6:31pm
It is nice to see that her efforts are being shared with those who most need food and nutritional assistance. That she struggles just like the rest of us is important, because it mirrors our own experiences. I guess that my feelings are that what she shares has more validity for me because she is making frugal meals out of need, in addition to choice. I am not expressing this well. I do not have any issues or judgement about someone doing this other than for extreme need, because that is wonderful, planet and people friendly, societally responsible, just saying that it has greater resonance for me because her experiences are similar to mine. Lordy, please do not judge me. :~)

Cool, but where the heck is she finding food that inexpensively? I read the list of stores with which she checks prices, and I shop at the discount markets, where I can get chicken quarters for 69 cents/US per pound (this week on sale for 3 pounds for $1.95), but even there a can of kidney beans is not 27 cents (converted from her 21p). This week's ad for canned beans is 65 cents for a 14.5 ounce can. Three times her cost.

Same thing for pasta. Her 550 grams costs 50p, which translates to just over 17.6 ounces. A pound of pasta (454 grams) of Barilla angel hair pasta is on sale for $1.00 a box, normally $1.49.

Just saying.:):):~) .

That said, there is not a single recipe there that I would not like to try, and I will be adding several of them to my menu options right away, especially that leek and cheese pasta thing, although I will be substituting less expensive ingredients than she used.

As for the food banks, speaking from recent personal experience, if they are anything like the ones here, there will not be any leeks or fancy cheeses, spices or lemon curd (or the ingredients to make it), and I have never seen a pound, much less 24 ounces of bacon for $1.29.

Tiam
5-16-13, 9:38pm
A relief to hear you say it, Jilly. I cannot figure out the prices at all. In fact there is no way I could find any kind of chicken here for .69 a pound.

Jilly
5-17-13, 12:04am
To compare the prices, I use currency and weight converters. Just cannot do it in my head.

We have both Aldi and Save-a-lot here.

Aldi is slightly more expensive, but often has the absolutely best produce. They almost always have berries for a dollar a punnet, and really, really good ground coffee for $3.99 a pound. Bakery and bread at both places kind of sucks, although I did buy what looks like a decent quality package of rolls today to have with jalapeno sausages tomorrow. Their 90% lean ground beef is a bit high, at $3.49 a pound, but it often does not have enough fat in it for good burgers, so I use it in soups and for Mexican dishes.

S-A-L has tons of cheap meat. Some good, some not so good. It and the Asian market are the only places I can buy chicken feet, and the rest of their poultry is very good. When I was there earlier this week, boned chicken breasts were $1.19 per pound. Their beef and pork, well, you have to carefully examine them because they often have excess fat. Fine, but if I cannot eat it, I do not want it. They also have every turkey part, fresh and smoked, and the best tripe and thymus anywhere. I can sometimes find rib steak for $2.99 per pound. It is not prime grade, but it is nice to have a little piece of steak once in a while.

Almost all of their products are non-brand-name, although many of them are good. You have to watch, though, because the sizes are often smaller than the equivalent from the big markets. I always have to do the math so that I know what I am paying per ounce/pound. But, you really should do that all the time, no matter where you shop.

Another thing they always have are ten or eight (I think it depends on what their suppliers have available) pound bags of white potatoes for 89 cents.

Tiam
5-27-13, 2:28am
I was looking at the site "utterly scrummy foods" and saw this price list which is a current 2013 price list and it seems much more in line with present day American prices.http://utterlyscrummy.blogspot.com/2013/01/our-family-meal-plan-ww2-rations-edition.html



Packets and Cereals
1x ASDA Smartprice Porridge Oats (1Kg) 75p
1x Silver Spoon Granulated Sugar (1Kg) 88p
1x ASDA Smartprice Plain Flour (1.5Kg) 52p
1x Great Scot Red Split Lentils (500g) £1.28
1x Asda Home Baking Easy Bake Yeast (6 per pack - 42g) 64p
2x ASDA Wholefoods Brown Bread Flour (1.5Kg) £2.56

Dairy and Eggs
4x ASDA British Semi Skimmed Milk 4 Pints (2.27L) £4.00
1x ASDA Free Range Medium Eggs (12) £1.98
1x Stork (1Kg) £2.00
1x ASDA Chosen by You Lancashire White Cheddar (250g) £1.50

Fruit and Vegetables
2x ASDA Spring Greens (500g) 97p
20 ASDA Smartprice Apples by Weight (100g) £2.00
10 ASDA Onions by Weight (100g) 90p
5 ASDA Swede by Weight (100g) 42.5p
4x ASDA White Potatoes (2.5Kg) £3.00
20 ASDA Butternut Squash by Weight (100g) 90p
1x ASDA Celery 89p
1x ASDA Trimmed Leeks (500g) £1.00
2x ASDA Spinach (350g) £3.00
2x ASDA Carrots (1.2Kg) £2.00
1x ASDA Parsnips (750g) £1.00
1x ASDA Extra Juicy Oranges (1.8Kg) £2.00
2x ASDA Pears (600g) £2.00
2x ASDA Garlic loose 30p

Meat, Fish and Poultry
2x ASDA Extra Special Pork Sausages (6 per pack - 454g) £4.00
1x ASDA Pork Chops (1.05Kg) £6.00

Frozen
1x ASDA Chosen by You Haddock Fillets (400g) £4.00