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"The following organizations have lent monetary, grassroots or some other type of direct support to anti-gun organizations. In many instances, these organizations lent their name in support of specific campaigns to pass anti-gun legislation such as the March 1995 HCI "Campaign to Protect Sane Gun Laws." Many of these organizations were listed as "Campaign Partners," for having pledged to fight any efforts to repeal the Brady Act and the Clinton "assault weapons" ban. All have officially endorsed anti-gun positions."
http://nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15
ApatheticNoMore
1-31-13, 8:24pm
Anti civil-liberties organizations:
The following organization has lent it's bat@#$# crazy support to discriminatory and privacy violating policies like databases for the "mentally ill", has mouthed off about the threat posed by the exercise of free speech represented by video games, and injects into the social dialogue ridiculous and poisonous solutions like arming teachers, heedless of the consequence:
NRA
Wow. The list includes individuals like celebrities and journalists. It's the Nixon Enemies List come back to life.
Perhaps we should publish names and addresses of individual gun owners, so they can be shunned.
Oh, wait, we already did that...
ApatheticNoMore
1-31-13, 8:30pm
Perhaps we should publish the names of the mentally ill (anyone whose ever taken Prozac or something) ... I'm sure they're in a database somewhere? If not, better get on it ....
Perhaps we should publish names and addresses of individual gun owners, so they can be shunned.
Oh, wait, we already did that...
One newspaper in one state did that. Not the same as a national organization indirectly calling for boycotting these groups and individuals who happen to be expressing their First Amendment rights.
One newspaper in one state did that. Not the same as a national organization indirectly calling for boycotting these groups and individuals who happen to be expressing their First Amendment rights.
Just because they have a First Amendment right to say their piece, doesn't mean they don't bear any consequences for taking their positions. If they lose business from gun owners tough. That's how life works. I typically try to avoid shopping at places owned by people who advocate oppressing me.
Wow. The list includes individuals like celebrities and journalists. It's the Nixon Enemies List come back to life.
I thought it rather convenient that in one place there is a list of orgs to support if one is in agreement with their stance on guns. A cursory glance shows that these orgs all have publicly accessed records, so it's fair game. Ditto the registered gun owners, but I didn't agree with the newspapers decision to publish that, given the mob mentality on both fringes of this debate.
Just because they have a First Amendment right to say their piece, doesn't mean they don't bear any consequences for taking their positions. If they lose business from gun owners tough. That's how life works. I typically try to avoid shopping at places owned by people who advocate oppressing me.
So if Kevin Bacon or any of the other people listed winds up dead because some second amendment supporter decides that people on this list are a threat to their rights then it will be the NRA ILA's fault? After all, just because the NRA ILA has a first amendment right to say their piece, do they not bear any consequence for taking their position?
That makes no sense, jp1.
Not sure what the issue is here. People make lists all the time. There are lists of people and organizations that oppose gay rights. A few months ago the consensus here was that was OK. Now we have a list of those who oppose gun rights. Maybe gay folks don't want to eat at Chick-Fil-A, maybe some gun folks don't want to eat somewhere hostile to their rights. What's the big deal?
I like this kind of list. Makes it much simpler to know who to send or not send a check to. Besides, there are no privacy issues if a person or organization has taken a public stand. What always baffles me is that anyone could possibly care what a group of entertainers thinks...about anything. Talk about low information.
One newspaper in one state did that. Not the same as a national organization indirectly calling for boycotting these groups and individuals who happen to be expressing their First Amendment rights.
The newspaper published the names and home addresses of law abiding citizens who followed all the steps required to legally purchase a gun. They privately decided that this was a logical step to take in order to achieve whatever their goal is. That their names are publicly available at all is only a result of misguided legislation attempting to solve a problem that does not exist (licensed, legal gun owners committing crimes with their guns).
The NRA-ILA published a list of organizations and individuals who have taken a public anti-gun stand or "lent their name in support of specific campaigns to pass anti-gun legislation". One group is quietly and privately working within the laws to accomplish an individual goal. The other group is made up of organizations who are able to influence their membership and by high profile individuals who seize every opportunity to jump in front of the cameras and tell us what is on their minds. So you're right Lainey, its not the same.
Just so we're clear, it's okay then for someone to boycott Chick-Fil-A and Hobby Lobby for expressing their views too, right? Because I seem to recall there was a lot of talk that one should not boycott a business just because you disagree with their expressed policies.
I still find the listing of individuals odd. Reminds me of a former boss who hated Martin Sheen for his politics but would not directly admit it that was the reason. He just said he was upset that Sheen had been in a role as a military man when he had never actually been in the military. Okay boss, but John Wayne was never in the military either, so ?
"Okay" is completely up to you, Lainey! Boycotting is a time honored tradition. No permission needed.
It seems to me like these guys need to organize. They need another organizational tier to remove their name from the public one more level. Then a patriotic name, like American Nonviolence Organization (ANO). An eye catching organizational symbol like maybe an American Bald Eagle holding a broken arrow, and window stickers with the symbol and name. The a solid and charismatic spokesperson well known to the public, you know, like Charlton Heston or something.
"Okay" is completely up to you, Lainey! Boycotting is a time honored tradition. No permission needed.
Agreed. Just making the point because I seem to recall some pushback to those those who said they would boycott advertisers on Limbaugh, etc. Now it seems to be okay to boycott individuals who make a single "anti-gun" statement.
So again, I don't like Kelsey Grammar's politics, but I like him as a TV actor, so would I have stopped watching his shows? No. And I would find it exceedingly strange for the Dems to post a list on the Democrats official website listing all of the Republican aka "Anti-Democrat" celebrities.
The newspaper published the names and home addresses of law abiding citizens who followed all the steps required to legally purchase a gun. They privately decided that this was a logical step to take in order to achieve whatever their goal is. That their names are publicly available at all is only a result of misguided legislation attempting to solve a problem that does not exist (licensed, legal gun owners committing crimes with their guns).
I considered this act as horrendous, and equivilant to, releasing the names and home address of those who had legal abortions. There is a big difference between releasing the names of companies or people who "publicly" acknowledged their pro or anti -gun stance, and our right to choose to boycott those companies or public figures if we want, and releasing the names and home addresses of private citizens who acted in accordance with the current laws. Shameful.
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