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kitten
2-21-13, 1:14pm
I work with a bunch of pussies.

Yeah, no, not talking about an animal shelter...

My co-worker Nige and I both get riled about the same things, but he won't do anything about it. Instead, he gets me worked up, and then expects me to take care of it - send the email, complain to the big boss, etc. This makes no sense, because I don't have a heck of a lot of status here. Nige could get more done if he tried, but he's attached to his "nice guy" persona. "I'm just going to smile and drink my coffee," he said to me one day. Yeah, I thought, while I solve your problems. Great.

Our IT guy, who also took care of the main printer Nige and I use, was let go recently. Ever since, there doesn't seem to be anyone to go to when we need the printer's toner cartridge replaced.

Nige gets upset at the pages of faint gray lettering bisected with big snow smears, impossible to read. He cries to me that there's no one to replace the toner cartridge anymore, since Jim left.

I send an email to my boss, Borth, and cc Jim's boss, Matt. For good measure I also cc our HR person. She's incompetent and ineffectual, but sometimes having her name on an email thread scares people into action.

No dice this time, though. A couple weeks go by - we still can't print to the main printer, so we constantly have to redirect to other printers around the building, which is ridiculous. This kind of thing is beyond pukey.

One of the admin people who dislikes it when we use "her" printer, goes to HR and receives permission to remove everyone else's rights to print to it. So one less option.

Today I go in there and Nige is complaining about the toner cartridge situation. We both commiserate and exclaim over the fact that we've never worked in a place where getting a toner cartridge was an issue.

We go over and over this, how it so far hasn't worked to ask Jim's boss Matt to please order the toner. We realize Matt is the kind of person who doesn't take orders from laterals, and that what we need is the big boss Borth to just go and say to Matt, "Hey Matt, please order some toner cartridge for the control room printer." But this never happens, because Borth is lazy and dislikes asking his people to do their jobs.

Nige tells me a story about another situation where Matt was supposed to do something, and he kept not doing it. Nige would go into Borth's office and chat about this. Borth would say, "Wow, it's so strange that Matt won't do certain things. Why do you suppose that is? Hm, I wonder why he's so resistant," etc. etc.

And I'm listening to this story thing, wft? Borth is the big boss! In the same amount of time he's sitting there complaining to one employee that another one isn't doing his job, he could walk into the guy's office and simply request him to do whatever it is he's not doing! The thing would get done. Does he not realize this?

This is what mystifies me more than anything else these days - why is it that so many managers fail to realize that when employees have issues, it falls on them to resolve them? I've had a couple of managers recently who have been addicted to the "I'm a hands off guy" thing, as if this were something to be proud of. They chuckle or stare in bemusement out the window when one of their people is sitting across from them, begging for help because he or she is at the end of their rope.

And the manager comes out with, "Ha, interesting. Well, you guys work it out among yourselves and let me know what happens."

KayLR
2-21-13, 1:31pm
YES! My boss is the same way, only he calls it "not participating in triangulation." Blehhhhh.....SO the passive aggressive employees simply continue to get away with their poor behavior because when you confront them directly they don't change, because why should they? The boss isn't gonna do anything.

And yes, he is smug about the fact that he doesn't "do triangulation." Just want to poke him in the eye.

IshbelRobertson
2-21-13, 2:36pm
Why not just go and buy a toner cartridge from petty cash? Or buy it yourself and present the invoice for payment?

Spartana
2-21-13, 2:46pm
A lot of people in this world are passive people - even big strong strapping men - and expecting them to have "bawls" (especially just because they are physically large) is really just a form of stereotyping. It's like people who expect the petite frail-looking little blonde woman to be sweet and charming and gentle and are annoyed when she is a mouthy, asertive, strong, bee-ach (talking about me here :-)!). So maybe just learning to accept people for who they are (irregardless of how you think they should act) will allow you to accept Nige's behavior. I'll admit that I am in the "passive people who don't stand up for themselves or others bug the heck out of me" camp, but I have learned to understand that is their core personality and accept them for who they are.

kitten
2-21-13, 4:06pm
Yes - might be the only option. I forsee an issue with getting reimbursed - they're a bit slow on things like that. Plus, it's the principle of it - I shouldn't have to be out of pocket for something like this. But it may come to that ;)


Why not just go and buy a toner cartridge from petty cash? Or buy it yourself and present the invoice for payment?

kitten
2-21-13, 4:10pm
You're right, Spartana. Yes - I shouldn't be stereotyping, that's a totally separate issue.

I'm very exasperated right now at the inaction of those around me. It's hard to ACCEPT them, when they get to preserve their "I'm that wonderful guy who never complains about anything" persona, meanwhile loading me up with all the crap they can't do because it doesn't fit their image. This stuff is completely nauseating, and it's a $shitty way to treat your colleauges. Baby Nige can't fight his own battles, so he gets that fearless bawl-breaker Kitten to do it every time.

I'll tell you, the upside of this is that people do perceive me as a person who's unafraid to ask for redress when things go wrong (which is just constantly here). I would be inclined to take on a leadership role, but it's tough to be that way when you're in a culture that holds up obediance as a first virtue.

Part of the problem is that nobody wants to take direction from someone who isn't their boss. This is natural. So my attempts to solve problems are stonewalled because I don't have the authority to fix something. In this culture, only the big boss Borth gets to manage the facilities and order the toner cartridge. I could go ahead and order one myself, but I'd be slapped for doing it without managerial permission. So I go back to the boss, and he says he's going to "get to it." The runaround is like something out of Alice in Wonderland. And this isn't even a significant issue, like trying to change policy, or get back pay for unpaid overtime, or something. It's just gawdammed office supplies.

When directness doesn't work, I'm thinking it might make sense to fight fire with fire. Maybe passive-aggressive people only really understand passive aggression.

What I could do is go on strike. We have to do a lot of Facebook posting in the job...I'm considering refusing to post to FB until I get my gawddamm toner cartridge.



A lot of people in this world are passive people - even big strong strapping men - and expecting them to have "bawls" (especially just because they are physically large) is really just a form of stereotyping. It's like people who expect the petite frail-looking little blonde woman to be sweet and charming and gentle and are annoyed when she is a mouthy, asertive, strong, bee-ach (talking about me here :-)!). So maybe just learning to accept people for who they are (irregardless of how you think they should act) will allow you to accept Nige's behavior. I'll admit that I am in the "passive people who don't stand up for themselves or others bug the heck out of me" camp, but I have learned to understand that is their core personality and accept them for who they are.

jasuko
2-21-13, 4:16pm
Who are the printouts for? If you send an e-mail to someone and they don't do their job, the e-mail and the bad printout is your proof that you tried. Other than that, fighting against what seems to be a systemic problem just makes YOU miserable. And why commiserate? That's just perpetuating the "complaining but not doing anything" atmosphere that this Nige seems to thrive on. I'd stop commiserating, either do something rash to GET a cartridge or stop caring about it (they can't fault you for having bad printouts if they don't provide materials), or start looking for another job pronto if it's that miserable. People commiserating in the workplaces is the biggest cause of conflict and bad attitudes, IMO. It keeps you stuck.

kitten
2-21-13, 4:19pm
Participating in triangulation - gotta love it! There's nothing worse than incompetence slathered over with fancy-shmancy managerialese. Gag me...Say, do you work where I do? lol


YES! My boss is the same way, only he calls it "not participating in triangulation." Blehhhhh.....SO the passive aggressive employees simply continue to get away with their poor behavior because when you confront them directly they don't change, because why should they? The boss isn't gonna do anything.

And yes, he is smug about the fact that he doesn't "do triangulation." Just want to poke him in the eye.

ToomuchStuff
2-21-13, 4:39pm
Install Libreoffice, print to pdf, email the pdf to whatever party is requesting x document with a note saying you can't send a hard copy, since no working printer access.
Then email whoever about the printer, that "you agree with Nige" about, you just wish he would direct his lack of personal issues to the HR department, instead of you or are you getting a HR salary now (install in memo).

creaker
2-21-13, 4:50pm
Any action items or to-do's that require a printout stop and get put on hold waiting for the printer. Once it impacts your manager with someone upstream from him, it will get resolved pretty quickly. He won't want to squirm in front on someone else explaining about how he's holding them up over a toner cartridge.

Short term - if you remove the cartidge, don't shake but tilt it back and forth a few times to spread the remaining toner, sometimes it helps.

Spartana
2-21-13, 5:00pm
Baby Nige can't fight his own battles, so he gets that fearless bawl-breaker Kitten to do it every time.

Well you can choose not to fight his battles for him. If he won't do it for himself, then don't do it for him. Ignore his whines and requests (and him if possible) and just handle your own stuff.

kitten
2-21-13, 5:02pm
Jasuko - the printouts are for the on-air announcers at my radio station - I'm one. You'd think it would be a priority for managment to give us these basic tools that we need to do our jobs. I can't announce the music without knowing what it is (the program is determined by our music director). It is beyond frustrating!

Yes - I think you're right. I've done what I can - now I need to stop commiserating. Good insight!

There are people here who have just withdrawn and become self-sufficient - bring in their own laptops and paper clips and handsoap, and just try to function indpendently so they never have to ask for anything. Might be the way to go until I can get outta here.


Who are the printouts for? If you send an e-mail to someone and they don't do their job, the e-mail and the bad printout is your proof that you tried. Other than that, fighting against what seems to be a systemic problem just makes YOU miserable. And why commiserate? That's just perpetuating the "complaining but not doing anything" atmosphere that this Nige seems to thrive on. I'd stop commiserating, either do something rash to GET a cartridge or stop caring about it (they can't fault you for having bad printouts if they don't provide materials), or start looking for another job pronto if it's that miserable. People commiserating in the workplaces is the biggest cause of conflict and bad attitudes, IMO. It keeps you stuck.

kitten
2-21-13, 5:03pm
ToomuchStuff - I'm not familiar with Libreoffice...sounds interesting.


Install Libreoffice, print to pdf, email the pdf to whatever party is requesting x document with a note saying you can't send a hard copy, since no working printer access.
Then email whoever about the printer, that "you agree with Nige" about, you just wish he would direct his lack of personal issues to the HR department, instead of you or are you getting a HR salary now (install in memo).

herbgeek
2-21-13, 8:20pm
Well if you can't make the announcement, because the announcement was not printed out for you to read, and the customer gets annoyed and refuses to pay their ad bill- well THEN there will be change, won't there. Sometimes you just have to let things fall before someone will "suddenly" find that solution that was so hard to come by earlier. No way should you take this on yourself. You did what you could, and let the right people know, now you need to let the chips fall where they fall. Stop trying to rescue people from themselves.