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In light of the news of the fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas, this news has also surfaced in my state.
Is this unbelievable??? It just convinces me even more that Indiana is just plain stupid in a number of issues. (sorry to you other Hoosiers)...
Why don't we support Iran or North Korea to come over and manage our nuclear power plants? >8)
http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/plans-to-fertilizer-plant-in-southern-indiana-under-scrutiny-over-pakistani-company
The Canadian or provincial governments are way ahead on this. If I buy hydrogen peroxide for my water treatment unit which controls the hydrogen sulphide, I have to sign a special release in the presence of the company that delivers the peroxide. Not negotiable that the company making the delivery needs to demonstrate at all times where the peroxide is going, to whom, the volume and that the use is justifiable.
This protective process came into being when a motley group were collecting the ingredients to make bombs from fertilizer and peroxide et al and were discovered by intelligence agencies earlier this decade.
Yep, it seems IN can be just plain stupid. Makes me embarrassed to live here some days, but it's cheap living so I need to balance the bad with the so-so. If they built that plant in IN, hopefully they wouldn't do it near residential housing.
My concern is with it being run by a Pakistani company who has not wanted to provide more security with their product, to our troops in Afghanistan.
Seems like any fertilizer plant even run by Americans should be far away from anything. But my concern was with the company that wants to own/run it.
Cathy, according to what we have read, the fertilizer plant was located first. The residential and such planted themselves next to it. In NC, there was a huge propane tank farm. Subdivisions kept getting closer and closer. Someone once said if it ever blew up, it would take out a square mile and a lot of people.
From what I've heard about the Texas tragedy, we cannot put a reckless and greedy corporation at fault, alone, but rather have to include state and municipal government that cares so little about people and so much about money that they granted building permits for an apartment complex and school simply too close to a plant for which there was no good reason to grant building permits. Once the human tragedy is addressed, I think it will be necessary for the area to step back and consider what went wrong in a larger context, that acknowledges government's failure, rather than just scapegoating the company.
That's interesting to know. You're right.......residential areas should not have been allowed to be built so close. Its a bit like locally, they enlarged a county airport......then built a subdivision close to its pathway....then the residents started complaining about it. The fault lies with the zoning people that allow building close to possibly offensive/dangerous things.
I guess I didn't see the article about the Pakistani fertilizer plant being rejected. A local station made it sound like it was still a possibility. But my question to you all is.........in light of the Pakistani (Fatima) group's connection with providing so much fertilizer components to the middleast people who put it in their bombs to use against U.S. troops.........do you feel that my reaction to it made sense? I'm being flamed on a local chat group for profiling, hating Pakistanis, hating jobs, etc., etc. Most of you are a much more intelligent group, so I'm curious about your take on this.
We're caught in a Catch-22 to some extent, because, on the one hand, it is wrong to make assumptions based on nationality, but on the other hand, such a reasonable ethic is undercut by the fact that there are those who obstruct the addition of sufficient controls that would make it overwhelmingly difficult for anyone to channel such materials for use in terrorism.
From what I've heard about the Texas tragedy, we cannot put a reckless and greedy corporation at fault, alone, but rather have to include state and municipal government that cares so little about people and so much about money that they granted building permits for an apartment complex and school simply too close to a plant for which there was no good reason to grant building permits. Once the human tragedy is addressed, I think it will be necessary for the area to step back and consider what went wrong in a larger context, that acknowledges government's failure, rather than just scapegoating the company.
There will be plenty of blame to go around - so far I've heard no OSHA inspections since 1985, recent safety violation fines that were crazy low to begin with were lowered further when company said it fixed the violations, requirements that a company carrying these materials report it to DHS (they had like 1350 times the amount they were required to report and didn't). Definitely a company given the opportunity and space to self-regulate - even though the laws dictated the company and government agencies involved do otherwise.
SteveinMN
4-20-13, 11:39am
All part of the privatize-profit-socialize-loss concept. >:( Will West (or its insurers, which, again, is socialized loss) be picking up the tab for the emergency response and the human and property damage caused by these business practices? Have BP's fines paid off all it took to respond to Deepwater Horizon and its aftermath? Not that the government is completely without responsibility in this explosion. But this should serve as a reminder as to why there are regulations like DHS'.
They're calling for record flooding along the Red River in North Dakota again this year. People whose houses were flooded out in the "hundred year" floods a few years ago face the same fate again. Why can we not find the backbone to tell these people that they (re)build in places like Red River flood plains and near fertilizer plants at their own risk and on their own dime? No disaster-area loans and funding, no public money spent sandbagging private property. We should never do that more than once. You want it? Fine. Have it. But you pay the freight, not those of us smart enough to not do that.
Boy, I must be feeling crotchety this morning...
I totally agree with you Steve! Well said!:+1:
All part of the privatize-profit-socialize-loss concept. >:( Will West (or its insurers, which, again, is socialized loss) be picking up the tab for the emergency response and the human and property damage caused by these business practices? Have BP's fines paid off all it took to respond to Deepwater Horizon and its aftermath? Not that the government is completely without responsibility in this explosion. But this should serve as a reminder as to why there are regulations like DHS'.
They're calling for record flooding along the Red River in North Dakota again this year. People whose houses were flooded out in the "hundred year" floods a few years ago face the same fate again. Why can we not find the backbone to tell these people that they (re)build in places like Red River flood plains and near fertilizer plants at their own risk and on their own dime? No disaster-area loans and funding, no public money spent sandbagging private property. We should never do that more than once. You want it? Fine. Have it. But you pay the freight, not those of us smart enough to not do that.
Boy, I must be feeling crotchety this morning...
Carnival was publicly very blunt about this in relation to their stranded ships - they are entitled to have maritime forces come bail them out, and no, they are not going to pay or contribute for the services they received.
Reason #4 why Carnival will never see me as a customer.
Unfortunately, merger mania makes that harder to do every day. For example, Carnival is Carnival, Costa, Cunard, Holland America, Princess, Seabourne, and a couple other tiny cruise lines. PepsiCo is Pepsi, Mountain Dew, 7Up, Sierra Mist, Gatorade, Aquafina, Lipton, Tropicana, Lay's, Doritos, Fritos, Cheetos, Tostitos, and Quaker Oats. One could argue that none of them are necessary purchases. But eventually they will own a product you cannot or don't want to go without and then...
Pretty soon we'll all be purchasing from BuynLarge or we won't be buying anything at all. >:(
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