View Full Version : it was better, and then my daughter ran away
This is as messed up of a night as I have had in 6 months or more. I think before it built up slowly like a frog boiling in water and not noticing the temperature rising. I will admit to really losing my temper, not cool, also not sure what else to do besides having left and got a hotel room.
So I came home after my 12 hour day, dishes were so piled I couldn't even get a glass of water from the sink, and then I noticed that the stuff that is stored under the kitchen sink was thrown around the kitchen floor. Some of the serving dishes from last night were still on the table (I cooked last night, the deal is someone else cleans up). So I tell all the kids that the place is a mess and to clean it up while I go get myself some dinner. It is my consequence I have had for many years, no yelling or big drama but they can fix a sandwich (they had already eaten).
I leave and get 11 calls from my daughter and a voice mail. When i listen it has rambling things like how I treat her like a roomate instead of a daughter, she refuses to give her brother or her sister rides anymore, and I need to treat her like a daughter. It didn't totally make sense, so I texted and said that there was stuff all over the floor in the kitchen, not cool, we went back and forth a little. Then I got home and we attempted a talk. She said I needed to learn how to talk to her like a grownup and I was not mature for yelling about the house and leaving and how her life really sucks because every day she has to do dishes and cook and doesn't earn much, and she did throw the things out from under the sink but that was because I put the sponge in the wrong place so it was justified. Ohh no, my sponge in my kitchen is my choice (and I still do the majority of the dishes). I lost it when I pointed out the night before I came home early and made something they liked, and she was still yelling that I felt obligated and she had to do everything. So I kinda dropped the cookie jar, not making excuses, she grabbed her brother and they ran away to dad's house. I talked to their dad who was pretty supportive, there is no way he would let the kids tell him what he could and could not do in his house after all. My son is welcome home and she is welcome when she gets an attitude adjustment. Her ex-boyfriend was over when i got home as well, I have not seen him in a very long time and honestly this is how she acted a lot when she was around him. I have to wonder if they are doing drugs or something, it was too fast of a switch from the really decent time we have been having lately.
I know the red flag trigger moment, I told myself I would not be in the position again to be yelled at or criticized for going out of my way to do something nice. Sure if I make a mistake I can handle that better, but making a dinner they love and being yelled at is something that does not need to happen. I am not sure what else I could have done, I have asked her to leave when she gets like this other times and she doesn't. It is not physical so i can't call the police. Their dad has never come to get them when I have called before. I even asked a friend once, the best I did was leave to stay at a boyfriend's house and call dad to inform him. So in some ways this could be good, This totally is not okay, we have had really nice times and some good talks and I tend to run the family with more meetings than yelling. I just do not think it is good for the kids or for me to act in almost an abusive manner. If I let her continue to act this way and tell me how I need to do her laundry list her own way (not talk to friends on the phone, not talk about work, do dishes right to left, etc) then it is just not okay for anyone. Plus when someone is acting abusively there is no way of following their directions to get it right anyway, the rules change and the ground shifts so fast, the only consistent thing is that you are very terribly wrong and responsible for being wrong, and you can never ever make it up to them. I learned all that the hard way ya know.
Wildflower
4-25-13, 3:34am
Your DD needs to move out of your house permanently and grow up. Someday she will appreciate your efforts. But not until she is out on her own and grows up. That would include you not bailing her out everytime she makes bad decisions. Back off - it doesn't matter what you do at this stage of her life - you will always be wrong, simply because you're her Mother.... You've been very good to her and helped her out with alot of things, including her pregnancy. You've done the best you could do. Now it's time for you to stop giving. Let her Dad take over from here on out, and remember she is plenty old enough and smart enough to be on her own. She needs to be, so she can learn how to be a decent human being....
IshbelRobertson
4-25-13, 4:11am
Frankly, I'm astounded at thelevel of abuse you accept from this woman! She is an adult, who consistently appears unable to grow up.
I think it's time you employed the American concept of 'tough love' with her. She seems to have a real sense that you will forgive/deal with her bad behaviour all the time.
You have been so supportive of someone who, from the stories you have relayed to us, appears unwilling or unable to grow up. If she refuses to leave, wait until she goes out and then change the locks!
I second what Wildflower and IshbelRobertson said! For a long time I have been wondering why you have adults living with you that give you so much trouble. Too many parents are making this mistake and their kids are never maturing.
Don't you have 2 that are 18/over and one still under? What are the older ones teaching the youngest? They never have to grow up, never have to clean up after themselves, mommy will clean up their mistakes? I've never heard you mention them paying any rent either.
There is no reason they should still be living at home...no excuses. Bad things happen, Bad decisions are made...adults deal with them, they go to work when they don't want to, they do the dishes, they deal with their medical issues and learn from their mistakes. Time to have them move out.
Zoe, agree with the others. Your daughter needs to be kicked out. Any chance you can swing the cash to change the locks to keep her out or would her sibs just let her in?
chanterelle
4-25-13, 7:48am
"I talked to their dad who was pretty supportive, there is no way he would let the kids tell him what he could and could not do in his house after all"
Bingo!...this is all I needed to hear...they do understand that there are parameters and consequences and they cannot be obnoxious brats all the time.
What is the difference at your house?? Zoe you have been posting on these issues for a long, long, long time...since the old boards in fact ... maybe it's time for you to get back into regular therapy ...you alone, not with the family. You need non biased, professional help in sorting out all these issues.
There are too many problems which venting here cannot resolve, in fact I believe all the well meaning sympathy that posters here have sent your way over the years may be getting in the way of your finally seeking the help that you need to go foward.
I wish you well.
Zoe girl, your daughter has the skills and intelligence to cope with life. She has to discover that for herself.
Let her leave the nest and face the consequences of her decisions.
That is treating her like the adult that she is.
Send prayers of support in whatever manner you believe and let her be herself and you take charge of your life. Hugs!!!
Thank you, I told their dad that she was not welcome home until she gets an attitude adjustment. BTW this is the middle child, not the one who had the baby. The oldest one has done chores this week, listed her car for sale and got a buyer also. So there is improvement. I have not taken any excuses from her on her chores and so I see something can work, she would never have an argument with me. It is more about getting her to speak at all. Plus we are still pushing the move out date, she and her boyfriend are looking for places.
This middle kid sat with me at dinner the other night, had a great time, complimented the dinner, and then last night flipped out. I am really counting on being really tough and having an effect on our household that way. We did go to the therapist I could afford for a good amount of time and got somewhere, but we were starting from zero.
She did bring her brother back home last night and dropped him off and then left, he seemed fine and calm with her gone. So 2 out of 3 is okay, and when the middle one gets her attitude together then we can talk.
I would gather my few possessions and move to a 400 squ ft apartment and leave the adult kids to make their own way. When attitudes adjust, they would still not luve with me. They are adults. Good attitudes are required along with independent living.
I went through some of her room and looked over the back porch where she and her sister smoke. There were little alcohol bottles, a couple large ones,a pot pipe and some other mysterious stuff that smelled like pot. I threw all of that out. Then on the porch there was a small baggie of pot that is in the bottom of the trash bag under gross stuff. Tonight if she does not come home I am going in and doing a deeper clean of her room as well. I was a straight edge punk, which means I drank a few times but pretty much just shaved my head and went to shows and was always the designated driver. I don't recall people getting this outof control with pot but alcohol would cause it. There is a lot of addiction in the grandparent generation, their dad and I are not drinkers or users of anything but maybe a lot of brown rice!
iris lily
4-25-13, 10:50am
How old is your 2nd daughter, Zoe girl?
She is 19 now, has had a job for half a year now, we have been working with mental issues since 15 or so.
Remind me one more time how old your kids are.
The lack of respect just amazes me.
Your house/your rules. But you've had to of established the rules and stuck to them. What patterns have you established long-term?
Drugs? Out.
Edit to add since your last post:
I've never had to deal with my children having any sort of mental issues and it's been too long sincy my psych minor but there has to be a starting place and ground rules and you have to be the most stable and steadfast of all to establish those rules and boundaries. Thinking of a target and the center circle and the most basic of rules and expectations. You can gain responsibility and move out to the larger circles but you can also lose those responsibilities and return to the starting circle. I'm not sure this is the best place for advice except to say that family counseling may be the best thing to return to for you and her. I can't remember, is she bi-polar? Is she medicated? You may have to lower your expectations of what levels she can function as her levels change.
Thank you Float, they are 16, 19 and 22. We have anxiety, depression and bi-polar issues (I am sure she is bipolar however being over 18 she has to be a serious danger for me to be able to step in). None of the kids want medication, the youngest may do counseling again. It has taken a couple years and being kicked out 3 times to get the oldest to where she has been this last week or two and I was feeling so encouraged. She even posted on facebook. that by getting one thing done she was encouraged to do more. I know I can impose all the rules I want all day long and spend half my life enforcing them but it needs to become internal or it won't stick. I have had the same core 3-5 rules for as long as I can recall and the method of solving issues with family meetings. I think what is difficult is that they rotate, one is fine and then another pushes a boundary I have to enforce, then they all affect each other so when one is off track then everyone reacts (my son didn't sleep and I am still trying to get him to school this morning).
SteveinMN
4-25-13, 12:04pm
ZG, I've never faced a situation quite like yours, so I can't offer much more than telling you I feel for where you are right now. I agree with the others that middle daughter needs to grow up fast and that whatever you can do to enable that will, in the long run, be good for her (probably for your peace of mind, too). The other two sound like they're working through their issues and I know you've been working on your own stuff. It might not hurt to sit with the two remaining and reiterate the rules of the house and reiterate that you will support them to the best of your ability as long as everyone is operating within the rules -- a kind of reset, as it were.
And, if you can find a way do it, I would emphasize that each of them are responsible for their own reactions to what goes on around them, in the house and in life. I can understand the feelings that come with family upheaval, having lived through some of it myself. But, as Ann Landers says, no one can make you feel bad without your permission. Your son should be able to rebound from middle sister's behavior without going off in a tailspin himself. He's old enough now. And, honestly, I would make sure son understands that avoiding medication may not be an option to live well independently. I'm always surprised that no one has a problem with a diabetic taking oral drugs or insulin to address their illness but when emotional issues are involved, so many believe they're healed through therapy or time.
Considering that we are now hearing she is engaging in illegal activities with pot and alcohol there is no way I would let her return to your home. This is unacceptable and brings your enabling to a whole other level. Put her things in a storage unit in which you will pay for a limited amount of time such as 3 months and she is not allowed back into your home.
I wouldn't let my youngest ride in the car with her considering she may very well be dui.
Do not let her unacceptable actions take down your entire family.
Considering that we are now hearing she is engaging in illegal activities with pot and alcohol there is no way I would let her return to your home.
Not sure that it's illegal, COLO legalized possession of pot. She's old enough to drink.
Yeah someone said something about pot being legal here and i said it is illegal in my house, forever. I figure young people often try this stuff, I just don't make it easy at all. There is a pot shop every other block off the main drag here in Denver, it is everywhere honestly. So she tried and she lost.
So I am feeling like I did something right!!! She came home last night and I was already falling asleep so I didn;t really talk to her. She left me a simple note just saying she was sorry and she wanted us to get along so maybe we could talk again. Much more like the way she has been for the last 6 months and we all worked hard to get to that point. With the progress my oldest is making then I am feeling even more encouraged so i can move on and take care of all this legal and financial matters in front of me. We did a few things they asked for like trying harder to get home and cook meals, even cooking meat sometimes when I don't eat it (I love that meatball sub casserole someone posted, I make a mini one with veggie meatballs and a big one for them no problem). They also have to do the chores stuff and we bounce back and forth but more often I get a 'sorry' than an argument.
Anyway now to catch up with life without the drama
You can drink at 19 in CO?
Forgot that CO changed their pot laws, sorry about that.
iris lily
4-26-13, 11:33am
You can drink at 19 in CO?
Forgot that CO changed their pot laws, sorry about that.
oh maybe not legal to drink at 19, I don't know but you are probably right to question it. I guess we are not talking about wine with dinner here, sigh.
No she cannot drink, I did not know she was impaired when she got in the car of course! So she did these things, not okay by me or under the law, she has consequences from me, and we move on. Most kids do this at some point, they get in trouble, and we all move on. I just got very upset especially before I knew there was some reason (the alcohol) for her explosion.
IshbelRobertson
4-26-13, 1:41pm
Move on?
She will never learn consequences if you accept a written note as an apology for her appalling behaviour.
I have three children. None of them would have dared to show me the disrespect you report here.
Chuck out the two eldest and put all your resources into trying to ensure your third child does not follow his sisters' examples.
Zoe Girl. I'm curious as to what style of upbringing you instilled upon your children when they were little? I'm talking discipline. Did you apply restrictions? Did you practice redirection? Did you spank? Did you ground? Did you have one-on-one sit-downs to clear the air in order to reach a common-ground of understanding?
How about the care of your children when they were younger. Were they under the care of a sitter a lot? Did you stay at home with them all the time? How about exposure to other kids their same age? Family, etc?
She is 19 now, has had a job for half a year now, we have been working with mental issues since 15 or so.
That's not an uncommon age to butt heads - I have 2 daughters (32 and 28) and we did several rounds at that age. From their perspective at 19 they're all grown up and adults, but their world view isn't nearly there yet. To put it more simply, they need to grow up, but they don't see it that way. I expect in a few years she will look back at her being 19 and say they same thing (such a big difference between 19 and 22 in my house) - but for now she is going to try to mold her world into what she thinks it should be. Which means butting heads.
Figure out (not that it's easy) what's tolerable and what's not acceptable - make it clear and then stick to your guns. She's grown up and living in your home, if it's not acceptable to her she can find herself alternate living arrangements. I think (and this is not easy, either) figuring out where one is helping as a parent and where one is just enabling is really important.
That 400 sq foot apartment is looking better and better.
If I were you, I'd be counting off the 24 months until I am no longer legally responsible for progeny.
I think the toughest part here is that you are dealing with mental illness which can be debilitating to them. It can be a serious disability.
And, being their mom, you totally want all three of them to be healthy and happy and independent and not suffering, right?
I think that's why it's so hard to be like "right, the older kids are out, and they'll take care of their mental illness and other issues or they won't." Nigh-on impossible, I would say. But, there is enabling/codependency going on, from the looks of things, and I think that having the older children become independent would be really good for them and for you.
Yes, they may suffer. They may suffer *a lot* -- btu they need to be independent to grow up and make the decisions that will allow them to succeed -- often the bad decisions, mistakes, failures and ultimately suffering create the opportunities for success.
Zoe Girl. I'm curious as to what style of upbringing you instilled upon your children when they were little? c?
I wish there was more ability to express emotion here so I will do my best to say this with kindness and curiosity rather than anything negative, I just wonder why that is relevant now? I don't want to be defensive about what is happening and I feel I am doing a good job when I deal with my kids. A lotof what we struggle with is them trying to express that they do not like the way they were raised, and I am setting boundaries about what kinds of conversations that can be to stay productive and develop kindness.
What I recall is many deep conversations with friends about how we were going to do thigns different than our parents and how our kids would never do what mine have done. And turns out that doesn't always work, my kids are their own people with struggles of their own. As their mom I don't always feel it is the best idea to be black and white and give up. I feel it is actually a harder job to stick with them, hold my standards and boundaries, and push them to their best. I guess that is why I don't learn my lesson and stop posting here, it seems easier to be a doormat and just put up with things expecting them to learn one magical day or kick them out and turn my back, but working on this middle ground is really hard.
IshbelRobertson
4-26-13, 5:32pm
I am sorry if you feel that I have been less than supportive, that was not my intention.
I did not have it easy growing up. My Dad was a career Army officer and we travelled the world, following him wherever he was posted. My brother and I were sent home to boarding schools at age 12. My parents bought a home in our home city of Edinburgh and we either flew out (unaccompanied!) to where they were, or they flew home and we had holidays together at home.
My husband and I travelled the world for his job, trailing our family with us. We had a strong bond, and also ensured our children knew that they were having great adventures travelling and meeting people of all ethnic backgrounds.
You seem to have done the best you can for your three. Unfortunately, mental illness was a factor in their upbringing. BUT you have raised three children, two of whom are now adults. They need to make their own way. You have done your best with them. They seem totally ungrateful for your sacrifices. MAKE them make their own way and concentrate on your son.
I hear what you are saying here Zoe Girl. Perhaps if you started your postings about your children with the caveat that you are just venting or need to put your struggle in words to come to some understanding yourself, then people wouldn't feel that you are asking for advice. And advice is what you are getting...whether you want it or not...to your postings.
We feel that you are cycling through the same problems again and again. Similar to the old saying about doing the same thing and expecting different results. People want to help, but at the same time they are appalled by some of what you tell them about your children. To be honest, the mental health issues muddy the situation in ways that make it hard for us to grasp your reality. I feel for you and the situation you live with day to day.
The one thing that I did find interesting, was when you said (a day or so ago) that your chldren knew how they could and couldn't behave with their Dad. Unfortunately, you have payed a large personal life price for being their refuge...and that is not uncommon in divorce situations. By wanting them to know that they could always turn to you for help and understanding, they really don't believe that there is anything they could do (or fail to do) that would cut off their relationship with and reliance on you.
You are in a very difficult situation. There is no easy way to change it...or change it quickly, but you need to decide where or even if you can draw the proverbial line in the sand. At this point I'm not really sure that you know how far you want to push back. I hope that you can get some therapy that will help you with this decision! God bless you and your family.
No problem Ishbel. like I said it is really hard to express emotion so I do not take things badly when I read them and they have a tone because I do not know what that tone is intended.
I guess more than whining, and I need to work on how to write things because I tend to write when I am first feeling the trauma of it, is that I want to share that you can live through difficult kids and difficult lives. That many of us have situations beyond our control and a life where we do the best we can is challenging. I think all things considered I do pretty well, however most people just see the results. Two of the factors in our struggle as a family are losing our house to foreclosure and the lack of friendships. I know because I hear it when my kids are not with me that other people encourage their children to not be friends with a kid who is sad too often or has different interests or even has a sibling who wears all black. But at the end of the day I want to re-write my message to be one of strength, that after my daughter has her screw up with alcohol that when she realizes what she has done she knows there is a place at the table for family dinner night (with standards for behavior of course) instead of a shut door and no chance to recover relationships.
I think that there is something special about always being welcome at the family dinner night!
I think that there is something special about always being welcome at the family dinner night!
I agree, that seems great and a nice family tradition. Kind of like a favorite guest, always welcome. But guests go home, they don't take up bed space and use your toothpaste and etc.
Zoe girl this is very very difficult. At some point you really MUST cut off your adult children. I would agree that 19 is pretty young. 22 is getting up there. Mental illness is a mess. But you say that none of the kids want to take medicine and that is a huge factor in this situation.
While I am the last person tho think that shrinks will always solve problems by diagnosis and medicating, the fact that you've got a house full of people who will not take medication tells me that there is no progress forward. Please think about yourself being in exactly this situation 5 years from now. 10 years from now. That scenario is likely, you know.
I agree, that seems great and a nice family tradition. Kind of like a favorite guest, always welcome. But guests go home, they don't take up bed space and use your toothpaste and etc.
How true!
I have to agree with Iris Lily about this. I remember how my SIL was when she was unmedicated (and on other substances), and the pain and suffering that my ILs went through with her. It was so frustrating and tragic for them -- and honestly for her.
It wasn't until they really let her go that she actually got on her feet: broke up with a bad-news boyfriend, got out of debt, got the right medications for her (bipolar disorder), and was getting adequate healthcare in other areas.
Now that she ahs returned to near where her parents live, they get together fairly often (maybe 1-2x month?) for dinner. She has a new boyfriend (he also has anxiety but is medicated, has a job and supports himself) and he has a young son (5 yr). He and his ex-wife have a decent working relationship around their son, and SIL is able to have a basically normal, independent life.
It took her a *long time* to get there. It wasn't until she left in 2006 that things started to get good for her. She was 31 at the time. It took another 2-3 years for her to get wholly independent and doing well, and now that she is 37 (just about 38) her life is doing pretty well.
On the one hand, she may have continued to struggle for all of those years no matter what. But on the other, I wonder that if her parents withdrew their (often codependent) support earlier, if she would have gotten her life together earlier. One never can tell, and it's not helpful to look back and second guess.
The reality is that your children -- like everyone -- needs to have the opportunity to fail or succeed on their own. it's honestly what is right and healthy.
But I can't imagine how hard it would be for you, truly, to let go.
(((HUGS))) Interventions like this are difficult to hear and we do mean the best for you and your family long term.
What I read from you is they are your "kids," yes, they will always be your babies but in the real world they are adults and do you think any judge will give your daughter leniency for dui because you feel they are still just 'kids?' No. She will go to ADULT jail for her poor ADULT decision.
Almost no one leaves home in perfect condition, we all have issues and we all need to learn to deal with them. Sometimes things get worse before they get better, but in the end we must suck it up and deal with the decisions we've made.
Can you quantify when you feel that each child will be a perfect adult and ready to launch? When oldest daughter has $XXX.00 saved? When middle daughter has X months without a temper tantrum?
In the short term moving them out will be difficult but in the long term this is best for all involved.
I have to agree with Iris Lily about this. I remember how my SIL was when she was unmedicated (and on other substances), and the pain and suffering that my ILs went through with her. It was so frustrating and tragic for them -- and honestly for her.
It wasn't until they really let her go that she actually got on her feet: broke up with a bad-news boyfriend, got out of debt, got the right medications for her (bipolar disorder), and was getting adequate healthcare in other areas.
Now that she ahs returned to near where her parents live, they get together fairly often (maybe 1-2x month?) for dinner. She has a new boyfriend (he also has anxiety but is medicated, has a job and supports himself) and he has a young son (5 yr). He and his ex-wife have a decent working relationship around their son, and SIL is able to have a basically normal, independent life.
It took her a *long time* to get there. It wasn't until she left in 2006 that things started to get good for her. She was 31 at the time. It took another 2-3 years for her to get wholly independent and doing well, and now that she is 37 (just about 38) her life is doing pretty well.
On the one hand, she may have continued to struggle for all of those years no matter what. But on the other, I wonder that if her parents withdrew their (often codependent) support earlier, if she would have gotten her life together earlier. One never can tell, and it's not helpful to look back and second guess.
The reality is that your children -- like everyone -- needs to have the opportunity to fail or succeed on their own. it's honestly what is right and healthy.
But I can't imagine how hard it would be for you, truly, to let go.
I agree with Iris Lilly and Zoebird on this. Several years I had a close friend whose daughter, who was in her mid-20s, was in a similar situation to Zoebird's SIL. My friend struggled for years trying to help her daughter, but daughter just simply refused to do anything to help herself and caused constant chaos. Finally, one day my friend finally just stopped. It was extremely hard for her to do it but she realized daughter had to sink or swim. Only after that did things improve, slowly but surely. While my friend is glad about it all and she has a wonderful relationship with daughter now, she does wonder if she should have done it earlier.
I don't argue that we need to be moving on up and out. We still have ups and downs, I have noticed that since I held a firm line last week on all of the behavior and did not take any excuses (I think being able to vent out a bit here did help) I got an apology the next morning and I have had GREATLY improved behavior since then. My son is dealing with an anxiety flare up so we are getting back into treatment for that, however I have had at least a chore a day by each child done without really asking, maybe a request but no nagging or anything. I cannot tell you how much more energy this gives me.
There is right now a formal expectation for some things from all kids. The oldest have under 2 months to move out and her broken car has been sold and moved off the property. The middle can only stay with the understanding I can check her room and even drug test her, and she has to be taking 1-2 college courses over the summer or find another place to live by September. My son is just needing to do counseling or whatever meds are necessary, but he is really good about cooking and cleaning up. For my part I am trying my hardest to be home in time to cook dinner more often. My work schedule is challenging.
I hope that sounds better to all of you too, I am getting a little more encouraged every year that I am making a difference. It is lonely and tough to be hard mom but it matters. I will try not to vent here until I have taken deep breaths for at least a day because I know how I must sound.
I will try not to vent here until I have taken deep breaths for at least a day because I know how I must sound.
zg - I just want to encourage you to sound any way you need to sound. Sometimes just getting the pus out helps the most and it isn't always pretty.
I appreciate your honesty about what your situations are and that you're open to all of us giving our thoughts at that given moment.
One of the greatest gifts we can give our children is for them to take responsibility for themselves & their actions, no matter what.
We all have crosses to bear, but we should never use those as excuses for bad behavior.
I am glad that the flare up has passed and didn't have to swirl into DefCon 1 Drama.
zI am glad that the flare up has passed and didn't have to swirl into DefCon 1 Drama.
LOL my daughter was born at DefCon 1 Drama, you would think I would be used to it. Really before 6 months old I used to set her down and cook dinner and basically let her scream. No swings, no toys, no entertainment with sister worked. i prepped during nap time and cooked fast. At 3 she threw temper tantrums on other kids or by hitting me, when she was done eating she used to throw her plate across the room to signal she was done, Ahh sigh, never a dull moment (and i need to write this stuff down)
I hope that sounds better to all of you....
What sounds best to us is that you are feeling better and you feel your family situation is getting better. You have a lot on your plate right now between the BK, family and work. We hope everything works out for the best for you.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 4.2.5 Copyright © 2025 vBulletin Solutions Inc. All rights reserved.