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I just read SouzQ's post on the Peeve thread. Maybe this does not belong here, but the forums are too confusing to me and this is where I am putting it.
I have enough life experience to know that there truly is not anything as normal. Most people fall somewhere in a wide spectrum of what constitutes, or passes for, normal behavior. Scratch the surface and my guess is that most people are weirdly structured in some way, maybe several. If you take time to notice, you will notice it in lots of the people you think you know, even acquaintances.
I struggle with what she shared, the whole issue about fitting in. Very few people know how excruciatingly shy I am. I work on that every single day, and after decades of trying I can pass for very close to normal most of the time. I work with mostly disadvantaged and challenged clients and being a much like a regular person is essential there. Most of the time.
At the core, I hesitate to say always, but I have always felt as though I was missing something. Some essential skill or ability or knowledge that could help me be more like other people.
I think that normal people can do social things with a minimum of effort. I cannot do social anything without anxiety and fear. I grudgingly accept invitations, but rarely go anywhere. Most of the time I cancel well in advance, but I am unable to remember how many times I call at the last minute and stay home or even get ready, sometimes get in the car and/or partially drive to the thing, then stay home anyway. It is not a phobia, at least I do not think that it is, it is just really difficult. I never know what to say to people I do not know when I am in a social situation. At work or any of my volunteer gigs I am fine. A little nervous, but basically fine.
If I care about someone, I accept all of their weirdness. If I am lucky, I am extended the same courtesy, in some measure. Anyone who does not care that much about me can find someone more compatible.
It means that I am selfish, and I can live with that. I cut most people a lot of slack, make accommodations for them all of the time, and it does not overly bother me when I do not get the same things back; I just move on.
Now, I am old, and probably as developed as I am going to be. I just have to accept how much a misfit I am, maybe even find a way to fully embrace it before I die. Anyway, saying no to make my life easier and less disappointing and problematic for people nice enough to invite me somewhere, came late in life, and I have to admit that I carry some regret about some of the things I have missed, but I never avoided or missed a single event that involved family or my in-laws. That stuff is important, even if when the bad actors show up. Besides, it is less rude or unsocial to decline from the beginning than to just now show up. Less stressful and shameful, too.
Age has its benefits, in that I can pretty much do or not do whatever I like. My choices. Stay home, go someplace, stay home, spend time with a friend, stay home. Being an oddball is fine, just what it is, but it would have been nice to have known that for all those other years.
Sounds to me that you are mostly an introvert with some social anxiety issues. I think you could probably work on the social anxiety issues -- which would take the fear out of socializing and allow you to work with the introversion.
DH and I are both introverts, but we are closer to the ambiverts on the spectrum. YOu can actually look at this as a spectrum from full-on introvert on one end to full-on extravert on the other end and in the middle are ambiverts. There's nothing inherently wrong with being anythign on this spectrum. It's all "normal" -- just different needs.
And, anyone on this spectrum can have emotional issues of any kind, including social anxiety. And those aspects can be worked on to allow one to socialize without fear when and how they want to.
being introverts, DH and I need a lot of down and quiet time, just processing what we take in. But we are gregarious and friendly and like to be with people, too. It's certainly not as much as an extravert, but . . . it is there. We don't have social anxiety -- and it's not an inherent part of being introverted.
I think that's what I'm getting to. Or something. I just realized the time and have to rush away now. :) Sorry if I offend or confuse.
..Sorry if I offend or confuse.
Could not ever happen. No probs.
Introvert who functions (in public) as an extrovert. I can be who I need to be in any situation. And I'm very good at it. And I'm not faking it, either.
And then I go home and crash.
Who decides what's normal? I'm always in some minority or other; that's normal for me. Introversion is a feature, not a flaw.
Nope there is no "normal". I wonder if the word would be removed from the dictionary if the onion was pealed back on everyone.
Kestrel, that is me, too.
It is reassuring to hear that others think it does not truly exist.
Here's what I have to say about that: http://thisisindexed.com/2013/04/you-are-weird/
Another introvert here who has learned some social skills. Still, I'm not the person in the center of the group or club. I'm always on the fringes, sometimes by choice, mostly because I'm just too different from most people.
Jilly, I can relate. I have some of the same social anxiety issues as you. I usually avoid gatherings, but sometimes enjoy them when I go. I moved away from my family long ago (to get a job in my profession), and I don't see them much any more. I still love them, but dread any type of gatherings that involve lots of relatives. My dear uncle died in December, and I almost had a panic attack at the thought of going to a large funeral and seeing a bunch of friends and relatives I hadn't seen in years. But it worked out OK. I used to take anti-depressants, and they helped, but the side effects were terrible. Now I use diet and exercise to keep my brain chemistry on a (somewhat) even keel, but that doesn't work all the time. I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll be somewhat of a recluse the rest of my life. My wife and dogs are great to be around for me, so I'll be OK. I hope you can find ways to cope and prosper.
Jilly: I definitely am introverted and have some social anxiety, although perhaps to a lesser degree. I recently realized that I have a combination of my Mom's great love for people mixed with my Dad's shyness, just a weird combination. It all depends on context though; I can be pretty outgoing with certain people and in certain situations. Solitude recharges my batteries, but sometimes pushing myself out of my comfort zone just a little bit can be enormously rewarding. I don't push too much though.
I'm finally off work for the day - thanks Jilly for finding an opportunity to run with what I posted earlier today.
I am rambling today so this probably won't make much sense - I am once again noticing my own quirks and behaviors and somehow feeling bad about it, again. I am an introvert who can pretend to be an extrovert a lot of the time but I love to spend time alone without making plans to see anyone or do anything with anybody. I just had two days off in a row and made no plans with anyone, but I really don't have anyone to makes plans with anymore. I have been isolating and being quite the recluse this past winter, just going to work and sometimes going out to an open mic to play my guitar. When I get to places there a lot of people I *know* and can sit with, but I don't really like conversing or hanging around. I just can't do it anymore and I don't know why. I jsut don't know where I fit in anymore...I haven't been feeling depressed or anything; I think I just don't like to socialize but I have been getting a little lonely lately as the weather warms up.
The thing is, I am noticing more and more how much I am like my dad, who in retrospect, is probably on the Asperger's spectrum for certain behaviors. I came from a family of loners and introverts; my parents never really had friends over and our family was pretty insular. We are not that close as adults, either. When I stop and think about the social cost of being who I am, it's pretty sad. I have a hard time maintaining relationships with people. They tend to to drift in and out of my life. I have maybe two people right now I could totally depend on to be there for me through thick and thin.
I don't really know what I am trying to say, other than it can be a painful way to live. I don't know how to change or adapt because it is part of my core personality, like having curly hair or green eyes. I tried many things over the years to be more "like" other people, trying to be a social butterfly, having to drink and smoke cigarettes as social props because things felt so awkward and exhausting. I don't smoke anymore (seven weeks so far!) and rarely drink and the things I used to do to be the tiniest bit social, like go to the bar for a music jam or to hear friends play have gone by the wayside, in large part due to my crazy work schedule.
So I spend all my free time alone now. Most of the time it is great but then I start thinking how weird I am and it is bothering me. PMS is also bothering me right now so maybe that is why this weird feeling is being amplified.
I am feeling so scattered tonight, I better just end here and hope some of this made sense...
I certainly don't think there's a normal, but sometimes, I feel like I don't fit into what accounts for in the ballpark with the people I hang out with the most. Most of the parents of my children's friends are Catholic. I'm Buddhist and a follower of Meher Baba. People let their kids eat utter crap -- chips and soda and pizza and hot dogs and endless junk food, and these are people that I think of as educated. I literally don't understand. I might occasionally, at a restaurant, say "OK, you can have a soda with your dinner," or on very rare occasions buy potato chips, or ice cream. But those things I'm embarrassed by, and a little ashamed that I'd let my kids have them. It's a behind closed doors sort of thing. Our friends are like "hey, let's get the kids together, you bring the soda, and I'll throw some hot dogs on the grill!" What? Do people really still do that? Without the least hint of irony? That also makes me realize that we've become the sort of parents kids are embarrassed by. "Hey, bring your friends over and I'll make tabouli and falafel!" No wonder my children roll their eyes at me. Throw in there our eight years of living without a car, and my continued push to drive as little as possible. (We broke down and bought a car because the charter school our daughter made it into is pretty far out of town, and she's doing track. We plan to get rid of it again when our kids get to college).
I think my introversion has a lot to do with how uneasy I feel. I'm also -- clearly -- guilty of judging the people around me. I have to bear in mind that no - there is not real normal. We all meet on the common ground of our humanity. And even when we try to do everything right, we still do plenty wrong.
Edited to add - which I always seem to be doing: It's almost as if I can't enjoy other people because my drive to do what I think is right, (healthy food, environmentally good choices, somewhat liberal radical agenda), doesn't sync with the conservative, Catholic, middle America social situation we find ourselves in. I could let go and enjoy the chips an hot dogs and soda, (though I have gotten to the point where I don't really enjoy soda much when I try one these days), but then, who am I projecting? How do I project this striving for simple living positively in the social setting we find ourselves in? And the thing is, I know there are other people like us in Northern New Mexico, but we're all doing our introverted thing. We only get drawn in to social circles populated by extroverts. We introverts kind of circle around each other and then go back to what we're doing.
I find it interesting that a label like "exceptional" is "not normal", but it's somehow better. But the broader label of "not normal" is usually portrayed as something inferior. There's a logical disconnect there.
I think the negative connotation of "not normal" is primarily from those who get anxious when their world view is challenged and take solace in the perception that what they do is "normal" - and from those who use the label as a means of presenting their world view as superior to other, different world views.
(I've quoted this before, but I just love this)
Now, the Star-Bell Sneetches had bellies with stars.
The Plain-Belly Sneetches had none upon thars.
Those stars weren’t so big. They were really so small.
You might think such a thing wouldn’t matter at all.
But, because they had stars, all the Star-Belly Sneetches
Would brag, “We’re the best kind of Sneetch on the beaches.”
With their snoots in the air, they would sniff and they’d snort
“We’ll have nothing to do with the Plain-Belly sort!”
And, whenever they met some, when they were out walking,
They’d hike right on past them without even talking.
When the Star-Belly children went out to play ball,
Could a Plain Belly get in the game? Not at all.
You only could play if your bellies had stars
And the Plain-Belly children had none upon thars.
When the Star Belly Sneetches had frankfurter roasts
Or picnics or parties or marshmallow toasts,
They never invited the Plain-Belly Sneetches
They left them out cold, in the dark of the beaches.
They kept them away. Never let them come near.
And that’s how they treated them year after year.
There's a very old saying (you can judge how old by the language and the use of the word "queer" in it's original meaning)
"All the world is queer but thee and me and sometimes I wonder about thee."
Each person has their own idea of what normal is and no two are the same.
DH and I, both introverted (me more so than he is) live in an abnormall neighborhood where people get involved in many neighborhood improvement projects, and through these get to know a large number of people.
If we lived in the normal places we would be socializing 1/3 of the time that we do now. As it is, I've cut back on socializing because some of our best friends have moved, because I am doing too much gardening, because I don't do many neighborhood projects any more.
Still, we know a fair number of people. Whenever we go to an event outside of our neighborhood I play a game called "find someone we know." This week we went to to a Republican fundraiser out in the county. Rand Paul was speaking and it drew a crowd from all over the state. Bored in the lead up to it, I told DH "I'm going to circle the room and find someone we know." This may not be the action of an introvert, but I can chat up anyone that I know for a short time. I circled the room twice, didn't find anyone we know (except for politicians, they don't count.) I couldn't believe it, it's the first time that game had failed! Later, after the event was over and people were disbursing, we ran into one of our neighbors, a Tea Party guy. So, the game did work after all.
Last spring we attended a fundraiser for Circus Flora. Finding someone I know wasn't hard at all since neighbors on our block and other friends attended. But one person there looked very familiar but I couldn't remember his name, and I wasn't sure where I knew him from. So when I walked up to him with my usual line: I know you. Do you live in The Square? his answer was no, he used lived in The Square 12 years ago. As we talked, come to find out that it was his house that our close friends bought a dozen years ago.
All of this just proves my long held belief that Lafayette Square is the epicenter of metropolitan St. Louis and perhaps the world. ;)
Kestrel, that is me, too.
It is reassuring to hear that others think it does not truly exist.
I could have written Kestrel's response, too. DW calls me a "high-functioning Introvert" in that I can get along in pretty much any social situation so long as I know it's coming, there's a modicum of personal interest in being there, and I have time to "recover" afterwards. Sometimes (okay, often) I have to push myself a little to go to such functions, yet I usually have a pretty good time of it once I get there. It helps that DW also is an introvert and does not need to be the life of the party.
SQ, the social-anxiety issues you are facing can be addressed. You can learn how to make conversation (tip: ask a leading question and let the other person just run with it). The key, though, is that you have to want to learn. It's like changing any other habit. If relieving some social anxiety also relieves some personal anxiety, so much the better. And it won't be like hitting a switch, the same way overweight people don't become thin overnight. If you choose to change, there is a continuum of behaviors which will be comfortable to you, maybe for a moment; maybe for years. That's okay.
One of my favorite quotes comes from Douglas Adams' "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy": "We have achieved normality -- whatever that is."
[EDIT] I don't mean for this post to be a "fix-it" post -- just an illustration (from my experience) that not only is severe introversion possible, but if there's an interest in doing so, the effects of that introversion can be minimized somewhat.
ApatheticNoMore
5-4-13, 12:40pm
I am an introvert who can pretend to be an extrovert a lot of the time but I love to spend time alone without making plans to see anyone or do anything with anybody. I just had two days off in a row and made no plans with anyone, but I really don't have anyone to makes plans with anymore. I have been isolating and being quite the recluse this past winter, just going to work and sometimes going out to an open mic to play my guitar. When I get to places there a lot of people I *know* and can sit with, but I don't really like conversing or hanging around. I just can't do it anymore and I don't know why. I jsut don't know where I fit in anymore...I haven't been feeling depressed or anything; I think I just don't like to socialize but I have been getting a little lonely lately as the weather warms up.
I really don't like most socializing, it's like there's nothing in it for me (there are some exceptions). It feels like overwhelming effort, like I view I should socialize like some might view: I should go the gym, or I should work on my taxes (not always overt fear - but more drudgery). Fear it could be, but it manifests as overwhelming boredom. I don't always plan my time off well, because I'm so exhausted by the time I get to days off. I'm burned out. Maybe socializing bores everyone this way but they are just more disciplined (just like some people have never had to file a tax extension!)
I came from a family of loners and introverts; my parents never really had friends over and our family was pretty insular.
This I relate to the most, my family exactly.
It's true the end result of it is spending much of one's time alone, no two ways about that one.
ToomuchStuff
5-4-13, 2:35pm
I think normal went from general society morals, to a concept tv pushes/advertises at people. They try to interchange average, with normal, even though they are not the same thing.
You summed it up pretty well for me, ApatheticNoMore. I am pretty exhausted when I get off work and the chore of trying to be social is just too much anymore. Just going any where after work on most days is too much anymore. I plan my days and week around when I work which varies, A LOT. I never know if I am going to have the energy to go out and do something so I don't plan anything, I just wait and see what I feel like doing, and sometimes it's doing absolutely nothing.
I just fear with the way things are going that I will not have any friends left at all...
Do not worry, there are other introverts in the world. Connect with those in your social group who are introverts, and you'll understand each other and it'll be fine if there's no hang-out for 4 years. ;)
Jilly,
i totally get it. I'm much the same way, as is my mother.
As for my mom and myself i often wonder if we have Asperger's syndrome. A light version compared to my sons, but it could just be the way you are wired.
My neighbors are always trying to get together and as much as I like them, I just don't have that desire to socialize. And really, why spend time doing something you really don't want to do? I'd rather be home reading or puttering, not trying to make small talk.
Barbara
Normal is a cute, unremarkable town in Central Illinois, home to ISU, there my stepdaughter is in grad school. Other than that, I don't think "normal" exists...
This is all very helpful. Thank you, SiouzQ, for the original post you made. It comes from a long part of my life, which I will not share here, when it was safer for me to not have any contact with anyone other than someone who controlled me. I left that relationship last year, divorced after 45 years of marriage and am trying to move back into something that could be normal for me. My best guess is that I ended up there because of my shyness, and now the whole introversion thing, something my therapist has never mentioned.
I am thinking that extraordinary life circumstances, like my married time, do not have enough power to shape who we are. I am wrong about a great many things and this might be one more, but I now believe that because of my personality traits that I was an easy mark.
SiouzQ, your post came at an interesting moment because I was ambushed by one of my ex's friends whilst at work on Wednesday. My first impulse was to cancel that work day. Being fearful like this, as so many people here have shared, just amazing, is not all that much fun.
But, my point, and I really do have one this time, is that even until I read your post, even though I have a great therapist and have sought extra help in this transition period, I still felt isolated. I would read posts here, and people would mention introversion or being introverted, and this is not judgmental at all, please understand that, when they did it seemed to be incidental to their lives, that it was a minor inconvenience compared to other issues and aspects of their lives. It did not seem to be a determining factor in how they lived. They acknowledged it, dealt and coped with it and moved on as best they could.
Then, when you posted, SiouzQ, what you wrote struck something in me and I realized that I was not in a teeny tiny minority of people who struggle with this. Or, maybe there really is only a teeny tiny number of people who struggle with this and they all ended up as members here. Well.
Before I read the post that started all of this, I was seriously thinking about changing my weekly gigs. I am retired and, and unable to find a job, spend three days each week volunteering. It gets me out of the house, engages me in important things, activities, issues and extending myself to help others. Volunteering is a good thing for everyone involved.
So, anyway, after Wednesday's thing, I thought about eliminating that particular work or changing it to another day or days of the week. As it is now, I have arranged my four volunteer gigs to be on three consecutive days so that I have four days in a row to recover from being out and about for nearly ten hours each of those other three days.
Now hearing that other people need that recovery time, well, it comforts me, and in a way I never expected. I was at risk of isolating myself even further, and the only reason I will not be doing that is because you posted, SiouzQ, and because so many people shared their experiences.
I thank all of you. Good therapy goes on here. Oh, that reminds me, Steve, I did not see what you wrote as being fix-it or anything like that. Any information about how to be more courageous can only be good. Yes?
Thankyou for sharing your thoughts, Jilly. I firmly believe that many people need a safe detached from our immediate experience, a space place to read and receive ideas that may help them whether financial, housing, relationships, self-worth etc.
I have used the forums to learn and understand and I am so glad that you have to.
The SLF offer that option and we forget sometimes that the forums offer a great deal more to participants that can be readily recognized.
That is why I donate to help to keep them going.
Jilly, I am glad that I could be of help to you. Most of the time I go around feeling that I am selfish because of the particular way I deal with the outside world. Some days I feel and act relatively *normal* and then fool myself into believing that I can be just like everyone else when it comes to energy levels and social abilities. It seems like I always pay a price for going against my true nature. The absolute hardest thing is finding a balance with it so I don't end up isolating too much. It is easier in the summer to go out and do stuff, and now I have the luxury/curse of being able to blame my work schedule on why I-can't-do-something-with-you-tonight...
In some ways I relish my loner status but in other ways I can let it be almost crippling. Sometimes during a bad period I just have to act "as if" I know what I am doing when I am out and amongst people. Other times it comes pretty easily. The thing is is I am not that shy when it comes to my job, which is customer service, or when singing with a band or out doing my own music. I think I have a fear of intimacy and fear of commitment that has worsened over time...
it could just be the way you are wired.
My mother tells me I was the one in kindergarten sitting in the corner and staring out the window instead of playing with other kids. Perfectly happpy to be by myself upuntil I realized that was frowned on by most. But I still had good friends growing up and now - just one at a time. These days I still dislike large group gatherings and avoid them when I can because I always feel inadequate since I can't get into it. I am just fine with small groups -- no more than 8 or 10. After so many years, I have finally accepted this is who I am and that's just fine. I think it was Sydney Poitier, the actor, who said the same about his shyness.
I've been painfully shy all my life and very uncomfortable socially. When I analyze myself, I'd describe myself as ADD (no hyper) and asperger-y. People with good social graces fascinate me, but I myself seem be a goober. My youngest son, (grown) seems to have the same affects as I have and seems painfully withdrawn from most of the world and now his son is diagnosed on the Autism spectrum and I can't help but feel it's all connected somehow.
My mother tells me I was the one in kindergarten sitting in the corner and staring out the window instead of playing with other kids. Perfectly happpy to be by myself up until I realized that was frowned on by most. But I still had good friends growing up and now - just one at a time. ... .
My SO took a picture of me at a party early in our relationship--gazing longingly out a window. I was perfectly happy entertaining myself as a child, and I had one or two well-chosen friends. Nothing much has changed. I would certainly never apologize for being an introvert.
I was so happy in one job to have them test us all to see what Myers-Briggs personality types we were. It was eye-opening to find out that I wasn't, in fact, a freak of nature, I was just an INFP (1-2% of the national population) Of COURSE there wouldn't be anybody around like me! Other types are equally rare, but less likely to take it personally than mine :) http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/population-gender/
IMHO there is no normal - there is a just a wide spectrum. And there is what you want for yourself, and what you're willing to do to attain it. It was very hard to convert myself to an "on demand extravert" but it's what I wanted to be, so I plugged away at it.
INFP here, too.
We're skewing the stats on this forum. I'm INFP, too.
Regarding "normal"--I think if you asked most of the people around you, they'd all have a sense of some degree of alienation. Perhaps they've sold themselves out to fit in in some way, but people have such a strong desire to belong that conversely, they only see where perhaps they don't.
And normal, in my mind, isn't necessarily desirable. Behavior that's normal for some is not what you would aspire to. Connections are important, but it's more important to be true to yourself. It's hard to tell a 16-year old that. I wish there was some way for the educational system to better deal with kids who lie outside of the "norm." That's one of the reasons I let my own son drop out of high school. He was just not going to make it in that environment. I wanted him to experience acceptance where he could find it.
"Back in the day" my kids used to call me the Unabomber ... (because of my neo-Luddite tendencies) ... what does that tell you? :~) :0! >8)
Today I am struggling with my, for lack of any better way to describe it, my social disability that stems from my particular personality traits. I find that I am actually lonely and I don't feel like I have any one to call or be with. I find that I am even missing the guy I was casually dating for awhile, but at this point I have screwed things up so badly with him that I can't even bring myself to contact him because I think he probably hates me and I don't want to open up that whole can of worms, again.
I have today and tomorrow off; there are no open mics to go to tonight, and I spent all day planting my garden (alone). My knees hurt, my head aches and I feel plain squirrely, like I haven't felt in a long time. While most of the time I feel pretty okay about myself and my quirks, there are times like these when having nothing planned and no one to talk to or be with trips me up...
SiouzQ May I suggest that you take a long bath, maybe even with epsom salts and lavender scent- wallow in your aloneness, watch a show or read a book, sleep. Oh, and eat something .
Perhaps you are tired and overwhelmed. Make a list of things to do that you like to do alone. Just my two cents. Sending good thoughts that you will have less aches and enjoy the time.
Today I am struggling with my, for lack of any better way to describe it, my social disability that stems from my particular personality traits. I find that I am actually lonely and I don't feel like I have any one to call or be with. I find that I am even missing the guy I was casually dating for awhile, but at this point I have screwed things up so badly with him that I can't even bring myself to contact him because I think he probably hates me and I don't want to open up that whole can of worms, again.
I have today and tomorrow off; there are no open mics to go to tonight, and I spent all day planting my garden (alone). My knees hurt, my head aches and I feel plain squirrely, like I haven't felt in a long time. While most of the time I feel pretty okay about myself and my quirks, there are times like these when having nothing planned and no one to talk to or be with trips me up...
I feel for you. I used to feel similarly. I am now at an age where it doesn't bother me. I like it. But I have work and what not so I'm never complete isolated. Sometimes I feel lonely, but rarely anymore. Maybe this will improve for you also?
I think a lot of my discomfort is that I am slowly changing my social group; I've been getting away from being a musician-and-hanging-out-at-the-bar thing as my sole means of socializing. And that has been brought about, in due part, my crazy schedule at Wholefoods. I also just don't really feel much like hanging out at bars very much anymore. I think I am growing up finally ;) Plus with quitting smoking and rarely even having a beer anymore, it just doesn't feel the same anyway - I've done away with my social lubricants. I'm not sure what is next. In general, I like being alone but I do get a bit lonely for someone who really *gets* me. My entire life I have wished to find a soul mate, especially on the artistic level. I did find one a couple of years ago, but he is 20 years younger than me and we had to get past the weird attraction we had for each other for a couple of years (despite our age difference); somehow, we have remained friends but we are not as close as before.
I think I notice my alone-ness much more in the summer when I want to be out and about doing stuff. In the winter I just happily hibernate away in the cozy confines of Chez SiouxzQ.
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