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Gardenarian
9-3-13, 4:15pm
Hi -
I have been renting out my cabin in the woods to friends, acquaintances, and others in the homeschooling and library world I move around in. I was offering super cheap rent ($25/night - average in the area is around $200.) I wanted to share my good fortune and what I feel is a little paradise - but the people who rented it must have been thinking, "25 bucks, we don't need to take care of it" - and left dog poop all over the yard, made fires in the fire pit during the worst fire season, rearranged everything to suit themselves, Dog hair all over the place, used towels and didn't wash them, cancelled at the last minute - just a lot of disappointment. (A few people have been lovely - leaving the place spotless and leaving a bottle of wine or dishcloths.)
So now I'm going to rent the cabin on VRBO and I need to fix it up really nice to get a good price and repeat customers.
What I want to know is, what appeals to you most about a vacation rental? What are the things that turn you off?
For example, should I have more that coffee, tea, and a few condiments on hand?
I find the (admittedly very firm) mattress in the master bedroom comfortable - I can't please everyone, but what would you like?
How many pillows to a bed?
There is a bedroom with queen bed and then a room with a twin bed and trundle. Would two queen beds be better? (there is also a pull-out sofa with a full bed.)
There is no cable or wifi or landline, which is how I like it. Would this be a problem for you?
What would be your ideal vacation rental?
We have rented a number of small cabins in Colorado and have been astounded at how the prices have jumped in just the past two years. It has gotten so we really can't afford to do that anymore - I hope you can keep your price reasonable. Just rented one for later this month so we'll see if the vrbo comments are true. The one silly thing that happened to us once is that we rented a cabin far from anything and discovered there was no soap of any kind - not to bathe, wash dishes, etc. And of course, we didn't bring soap with us. It's always fun to find little surprises like some nice tea. Sounds like your setup is fine as is. I like three pillows on a bed and always a lamp by the bed. No TV, phone or wifi sounds like heaven.
Gardenarian
9-3-13, 6:11pm
I'm planning on charging below market rate (maybe $75/night?) - and I'll be dog-friendly, which helps.
Soap - good to know. I always have dish soap, laundry soap, as well as hand soap, shampoo, & conditioner.
I should read some of the comments on VRBO. There is so much information there that I find it hard to take in!
For reference, this place is very similar to my cabin, and a just a few miles away: Pescadero rental (http://www.vrbo.com/451348#reviews)
Well if I have to do without wifi, I at least want some comforts instead. Nice thick towels, good pillows that squish down, maybe a nice duvet. No synthetics as they make me too hot. Tea and coffee are a nice touch, but not really expected. If I would be renting a week vs a weekend, I'd want some things to make a meal with. Maybe a crockpot, or a blender and definitely a toaster and coffee maker. Some games or books would be nice. Maybe some local tourist literature on hand or historical information about the area.
What turns me off? My family rented a place for many years that had (chipped) linoleum for counter tops. I never trusted they were clean. There was also a shower that didn't drain, and worse, when you took the drain out of the kitchen sink, the detritus came up in the shower. I don't like to shower with spaghetti sauce on my feet. Ewwww. And they never changed the shower curtain. My sister couldn't stand it , and changed it and they still had the same one 10 years later (it was a distinct print so we knew). It just wasn't clean, and they didn't clean between renters. I swept the stairs one year, because that was the way I was brought up to leave a place, and the tumbleweeds I got were clearly not just my family from one week. The only reasons we came back was 1) my dad knew the owner's dad and got to use his haying and road equipment and 2) the sunsets from the porch were just to die for.
Why charge below market value, Gardenarian? Especially with the extra perk of dog-friendly. I am curious about your reasoning there. You mentioned some above, but is there something else behind your thinking? Is your place not the same as the others in the area? I could see pricing much lower if it is a lot smaller or all the places are on a lake but yours isn't, you know, stuff like that. I think it's better to price correctly off the bat, especially if you are aiming for repeat customers. If you decide that $75/night isn't worth it for you and then you raise the price, repeaters could be put off.
Pillows - I hate a bunch of pillows on the bed (like when hotels have four sleeping pillows plus decorative pillows), but I do like there to be spares in case I want to swap out for something more suitable to my sleeping position. And my DH likes two pillows. I think it would be good to have a certain amount of blankets/pillows on the bed but a stash of extras in a closet that people can feel free to use.
I'd vote for no candles or other types of perfumed items in the place. No matter how mild they may seem to a person who likes smellies, they can be a big irritant to someone with a sensitivity.
If dog friendly, can you collect a deposit, or an additional pet fee you can use to offset expenses? Or is that not feasible? If you have someone who again leaves you full of hair, then that's an expense for you since you don't live near your cabin - you'd have to hire the cleaning. As a pet owner I'd see that as reasonable and would love to just have the chance to take my puppers to a great place like that.
Wifi's gonna be a no-win. Bunches of people will want it, bunches won't. So I think you'll just have to pick one or the other. Is there reliable cell service? If not, will people feel safer with a phone line available - especially given your mention of fire?
I think for any cleaning up, say if you do expect people do pick up their dog's poop or strip beds or do any cleaning, actually, unfortunately some people need every little thing spelled out. Be very explicit. How do you plan to handle the cleaning aspect between customers?
I find when I'm going to a place like yours where I know that it will have some items available, that I get anxious over what exactly will be there and what won't, so it would be nice to provide a list. Assume nothing. They might be seeing it as a full-service resort where they can use anything and everything will be provided, or more as someone letting them stay at their house but they have to bring everything along and they shouldn't "bother" the owner's things. Include everything that the renter can expect to find such as towels, dishes, condiments, recreational equipment they would be allowed to use. My hubs and I have had more than one time when we made a guess at what would/wouldn't be included in an arrangement like this and had some minor disappointments. Nothing great, I couldn't even tell you details now, years later, but it's something I remember being a bit stressful.
I am excited to see the suggestions in this thread. We are working on our basement bedroom/bathroom/kitchenette which we plan to put up on AirBNB when it's done so we can learn something from the ideas here, too. Good luck with your project!!
Well if I have to do without wifi, I at least want some comforts instead. Nice thick towels, good pillows that squish down, maybe a nice duvet. No synthetics as they make me too hot. Tea and coffee are a nice touch, but not really expected. If I would be renting a week vs a weekend, I'd want some things to make a meal with. Maybe a crockpot, or a blender and definitely a toaster and coffee maker. Some games or books would be nice. Maybe some local tourist literature on hand or historical information about the area.
What turns me off? My family rented a place for many years that had (chipped) linoleum for counter tops. I never trusted they were clean. There was also a shower that didn't drain, and worse, when you took the drain out of the kitchen sink, the detritus came up in the shower. I don't like to shower with spaghetti sauce on my feet. Ewwww. And they never changed the shower curtain. My sister couldn't stand it , and changed it and they still had the same one 10 years later (it was a distinct print so we knew). It just wasn't clean, and they didn't clean between renters. I swept the stairs one year, because that was the way I was brought up to leave a place, and the tumbleweeds I got were clearly not just my family from one week. The only reasons we came back was 1) my dad knew the owner's dad and got to use his haying and road equipment and 2) the sunsets from the porch were just to die for.
Ewwwww, herbgeek!! Spaghetti sauce foot bath!
That area is one of my very favorite places! My DH and I met near there as outdoor ed counselors when I was in high school. I don't think you will have any trouble renting out your place.
Things that come to mind for me in vacation rentals are all about a stocked kitchen (cooking tools, not food) and cleanliness. Everything needed to make basic meals is greatly appreciated. A coffee maker is pretty expected. Providing coffee, tea, and condiments is very nice, but I don't think required. Nice to mention it in your add if you plan to stock them.
Good luck,
Kara
ETA: re. pet friendliness. I have dogs, so this is always nice to see, but I think it's important to note that none of the county parks in that area allow dogs. Pretty much only the state beaches allow them. Not that it's your problem if people go hiking with dogs where they aren't allowed, but maybe being pet friendly won't be that much of a draw, especially if your house is adjacent to Memorial Grove or the like.
Gardenarian
9-3-13, 7:22pm
Herbgeek -
good feedback. My shower is slightly off-kilter and water tends to collect in one corner. I was wondering if it was worth fixing - question answered!
Also - no dishwasher - do you think I should put in a garbage disposal? I worry about the old septic tank, but I guess I can't have guests taking out the compost. They probably wouldn't use the garbage disposal that much anyhow.
I don't have a coffee maker (Just a pot/filter and electric kettle.) I don't drink coffee - is a coffee maker a must-have? They're inexpensive, but I don't want the counter all cluttered. Have a toaster and microwave; no blender, mixer, or crockpot. (I do have a salad spinner ;)
Also, just a small (waist high) fridge. I'm thinking of splurging and getting a light blue SMEG fridge - it would just fit in the space and give that cool vintage vibe.
We have no cable but have VHS (I've been picking up lots of classics for free) and DVD.
We have Scrabble, Yahtzee, playing cards, and chess - those are the only games we really play. Maybe I should get Clue - any others? Also have crayons, water colors, and paper.
Quite a few books (lots of novels and kids books,) and I've been collecting books on the area - history, trail maps, nature guides. I also have a binder of local things to do, listing the pool hours, best hiking routes, local beaches, music venues, restaurants, horseback riding, and so on.
Fidgiegirl -
why charge below market? Good question - lack of self-confidence I think!! And I guess I was thinking - to get a bunch of people who will want to come back? It's not exactly a prime location - I mean, it's gorgeous, but for some reason the south San Mateo coast is sort of forgotten. It is only 30 minutes or so to Stanford, and there are lots of festivals, bike races, and other events nearby. I'll think about this - charging too little came back to bite me! Maybe once I have the place thoroughly renovated (I hope by November) I'll feel more comfortable about charging more. Right now it is kind of funky. Very funky.
I like the idea of 2 pillows per sleeper, and extras in the closet.
Sprint and Verizon are reliable; there's no AT&T. Wifi is expensive and unreliable in the area. I sure wish the local cafe had wifi!
Yes, fires - grass fires not uncommon, and there's only one way out. I think I'll just have to make a rule that no one uses the fire pit May -October; it's just too dangerous.
The clean-up part was for friends - and I sure did spell it out!! Didn't work. Right now I plan on doing the between-visit clean-up myself, though I may end up hiring it out.
I'll make sure to have a complete listing of what is there on VRBO.
The downstairs is unfinished and has a washer, dryer, and 1/2 bath. (though I am going to finish the nice wood floors, put in a bed, desk, dresser. I was thinking that sometimes I could stay there while renters were upstairs (I would charge less if they were not using the whole house.) Not sure how to go about phrasing that. I don't want guests sleeping in the downstairs (there is a propane water heater in the room.)
Thanks everyone - this is really helpful!
Gardenarian
9-3-13, 7:33pm
Treehugger -
I'm so glad to hear from someone who knows the area, and likes it! A lot of people aren't even aware of the La Honda/San Gregorio/Pescadero area. Happy to hear you think it will be easy to rent - I hope so!
Yes, San Mateo county is really strict about dogs! You can take them to Bean Hollow beach and Butano park - and fortunately there are a ton of trails right around the cabin that allow dogs. Good point that I should warn people in advance.
I agree about the cleanliness. We tend to get lots of spiders - I have to do something about that.
And it just gets plain mucky in the winter. Hmm.
I guess the coffee maker is necessary - recommendations welcome!
The cabin tends to be very chilly, and the only heat is from the propane fireplace (and electric blankets.) I'm putting in more insulation in the floor....
Treehugger -
I guess the coffee maker is necessary - recommendations welcome!
The cabin tends to be very chilly, and the only heat is from the propane fireplace (and electric blankets.) I'm putting in more insulation in the floor....
No fancy or expensive coffee maker necessary, but a simple drip-style would be very valued by guests. That's great there are electric blankets. I would love those in a chilly place. Maybe provide an extra cozy through in the living area, for game playing/couch sitting. I think the games and other things you are providing (VHS, crayons) are really nice extras, but I wouldn't over think the details too much (as far as trying to figure out what types of games would be best).
Kara
Tussiemussies
9-3-13, 9:03pm
Well if I have to do without wifi, I at least want some comforts instead. Nice thick towels, good pillows that squish down, maybe a nice duvet. No synthetics as they make me too hot. Tea and coffee are a nice touch, but not really expected. If I would be renting a week vs a weekend, I'd want some things to make a meal with. Maybe a crockpot, or a blender and definitely a toaster and coffee maker. Some games or books would be nice. Maybe some local tourist literature on hand or historical information about the area.
What turns me off? My family rented a place for many years that had (chipped) linoleum for counter tops. I never trusted they were clean. There was also a shower that didn't drain, and worse, when you took the drain out of the kitchen sink, the detritus came up in the shower. I don't like to shower with spaghetti sauce on my feet. Ewwww. And they never changed the shower curtain. My sister couldn't stand it , and changed it and they still had the same one 10 years later (it was a distinct print so we knew). It just wasn't clean, and they didn't clean between renters. I swept the stairs one year, because that was the way I was brought up to leave a place, and the tumbleweeds I got were clearly not just my family from one week. The only reasons we came back was 1) my dad knew the owner's dad and got to use his haying and road equipment and 2) the sunsets from the porch were just to die for.
So gross Herbgeek, doesn't sound like it was worth it, even though your Dad got to use the equipment. From the sound of it, someone could have gotten ill from that place. Gross!
I'm renting two bedrooms in my condo on www.airbnb.com with great success. I recommend airbnb as a source of guests. They have a feedback system, so people behave themselves more.
I've fixed up the rooms gradually. Things I think are important:
A desk for computer work
A comfortable chair for reading and watching TV
Salt and pepper, a representative selection of dishes
Continental breakfast when they first arrive
More pillows than I think they need, some feather and some polyester foam
A little sewing kit
Coffee maker, toaster, microwave and small refrigerator
I put some light fiction in there but so far my guests have been Europeans for whom English is a second language, so regular books are too hard
Maps and bus schedules
Iron and ironing board
Lots of hooks and nooks for storing things away
Too many towels and an extra set of sheets, 100% cotton only
Different weights of blankets
Full length mirror (the young people care; the old people already know what they look like)
Blow dryer and a wall holster to keep it in
So far all of my guest have made heavy use of the wi-fi and moderate use of the basic cable. They all have cell phones so my lack of a land line hasn't been a problem
Information on local restaurants and sights
Unfailing soap and toilet paper. Many of them have brought their own special soap, but mine is there just in case.
I think the single beds, trundle etc are a good thing if you're targeting families or groups. A coffee maker really is a must. I just bought the cheapest 4-cup at Walmart.
One place I stayed years ago they put mothballs around, against bugs. I couldn't stay, it was dreadful. Avoid scented items and anything chemical.
Warning about the fire season is important. My place is on the second floor and the stairs are very steep. I say so in my listing and tell them to always use the handrail. I also explain about the local weather patterns so they know what kinds of clothes they're going to need.
As to the cleaning, I recommend charging a fairly significant deposit and keeping it for cleaning if they leave a mess.
reader99 covered a bunch of the items I was going to mention (variety of pillows, appliances, scents). I would add:
- a list of handy local services -- where's the nearest grocery store, the nearest drugstore, the nearest sporting goods store, public boat launches, etc. If you're not going to/cannot add Wi-Fi, maybe mention places nearby that offer it. Keep in mind that the fact that you don't do it doesn’t mean no one else is interested.
- I don't remember reading if you offer a washer/dryer. If not, add to the list (previous item) the location of the nearest good laundromat.
- maybe some emergency-type things like Band-Aids (TM) or a flashlight with batteries. Nightlights. Toilet plunger.
- plenty of light for reading. Maybe a recent copy of the local "what-to-do" guide.
A friend of mine has a cabin she rents on VRBO. Her cabin offers a full kitchen with dishwasher (no disposal; it's on septic) and there are plates, serving dishes, pots and pans, foil/plastic wrap, and utensils available. There is a coffeemaker that apparently no one thinks to clean (she does not drink coffee, either, so I guess she doesn't think of it), a slow-cooker, and a blender. I noticed on my last visit that she bought replacement flatware since enough of the old stuff probably wandered away. She doesn't do this, but it might be helpful to use glass doors on the cupboards or label them so people know where to look generally for items.
My friend does not offer wi-fi, which is kind of a pain since cell service is marginal for all but one carrier where the cabin is. She does have satellite TV, however, connected to a DVD player and a VHS player, and there is an old Xbox or PlayStation or such downstairs for the kids. There are throws in the living room and downstairs rec room, plenty of towels, and two sets of sheets for each bed (kind of color-coded). Extra pillows and blankets.
Remember that people have different perspectives on taking care of "stuff". My friend has never had a major theft or damage. But people have overloaded the washing machine or used too much soap in it. They've rewired the TV/stereo in the living room. :0!. They've accidentally packed away storage containers from the kitchen. It happens. Don't think that leaving a list of rules or how-tos is going to get followed or even read, so the more idiot-proof/intuitive you make things, the happier everyone will be.
My friend charges a market rate for her cabin by the week in summer and by the weekend in winter. There's an extra charge if it's a large group (more than 6) or if there's a pet. She or her husband are there every week to check on the place and ready it for the next guests.
Hope that helps....
I agree with most of what people have said. For me, as half of a DINK professional couple, my priorities would be the following:
CLEAN,
decent linens/bedspread/towels,
not a huge amount of kitchen stuff but enough to be able to make dinner and good shape halfway decent quality (not hacked up $5 teflon pans or super cheap flatware)
coffeemaker (simple drip type would be fine),
a gas grill and patio/lawn furniture to eat outside would be nice (people are more likely to want to do a bbq while on vacation)
soaps (pump soap of shower gel would be fine instead of individual bars for each guest),
maybe some brochures/maps of nearby activities/restaurants/etc (especially if you don't have wifi for people to look stuff up).
If you're going to be renting it out often enough I'd consider getting cable internet and set up a wifi router. People who want it will REALLY appreciate it and might even choose not to rent if not there (me) and people who don't can just ignore it.
Basically I'm willing to pay good money for something that comes reasonably close to being as perfect as a hotel. We've rented a few places off VRBO and the biggest frustration has been wading through so many places where it looks like they've furnished the place with their old furniture, bought the cheapest comforter they could find for the bed, etc.
Do you have a place where you can store, locked up, your personal things, extra sheets, rolls of toilet paper, etc? Guests probably don't really want to see your extra toiletries, half used bottle of ketchup, etc. (maybe get the new fridge and move the current fridge to the basement to store your food items that you don't want to have to cart back and forth every time you go there?)
As far as price goes I would recommend not going dirt cheap. I could be wrong on this but I suspect you'll get guests who take better care of it if they're paying real money. You really don't want college kids looking for a cheap weekend getaway party house. Also, if I were you I'd not hesitate to charge a cleaning fee. Then have someone come between guests (if you can't make it) and do a thorough cleaning, wash the sheets/towels, and take out the trash.
A couple of thoughts besides the guest experience. Check with your county and make sure that if you need to register it as a rental or whatever that you do so. Charge and file the appropriate taxes. Check with your insurance company to make sure that they know that you are renting it out part time (you may have to purchase a different policy besides homeowners). Up the amount of liability insurance that you carry. If you don't already have a local handyman find one. You don't want to have to go there at 2am if a pipe bursts or the fireplace quits firing and your guests are cold. I suspect that once you factor in these costs of running it as a 'legitimate' business you'll see why people charge as much as they do. But that's not necessarily a bad thing. Your part of the state is beautiful, and close to San Francisco, so I imagine you will have no problem getting renters willing to spend decent money for a good experience.
fidgiegirl
9-3-13, 10:54pm
You are getting so much good feedback.
I did want to add one thing - I would not rent a space if I thought I had to be sharing it with the owner, even if the owner is out of the way. I think you have to block out days for yourself to use the property and on which days you are not renting it out. You mention a bathroom in the basement, but there's only one kitchen, right? I just don't see how you could keep from bumping into one another. It's a fine arrangement for those who are interested (it's working well for reader99, for example) but I would guess that at least some of these people are on a shoestring budget and thus not your targeted clientele. My two cents . . .
Everyone else has provided good suggestions, I don't have that much to add. I especially like the idea of a very specific list, so I know what to bring or not to bring. Coffee maker, yes.
Good blankets (variety is a great idea), good towels. I'd recommend a couple different types of pillows - the ones that squish down and the ones that don't. Pillows are almost always too big for DH and I. I usually slept between two pillows.
Nice soap (like face/bath soap) from a local soap maker with info on how to purchase it locally.
Do you have a barbecue? That is a nice touch. And if you have one, some type of lighter, tongs, etc and instructions. If anything might be unclear at all, instruction sheets are important.
Yes, maps and brochures are good. A list/map of area stores and attractions. At one hotel, we were given a little one page spreadsheet thing and it included prices for area activities as well. Really good for planning what to do.
You know what I've never seen - some kind of shoe mat. I never know what to do with my shoes in hotels, and especially cabins.
Somewhere to hang your towel that you can reach while still standing in the tub.
We recently stayed at a really nice cabin in Custer, SD. It was just all the extra little touches that made it so awesome. All the furnishings were just a bit above what you'd find at a regular hotel. Real down (I think) duvets instead of those polyester ones. Glass glasses, instead of plastic, nice soaps, a table on the deck, brochures available. Also one thing they did that I'd never seen before - they had a rag (just an older white towel) in the bathroom with a little note, asking you to use the rag instead of the white towels for dirty jobs. Some people might think that is totally tacky, but as a rag user I thought it was great.
Turn-offs - any hint of mildew smell. 2 or 3 of the exact same picture - why are hotels doing this? A microwave but zero microwavable dishes. Had this in Vegas. It's not a kitchenette if there are zero dishes, people.
That's about all I can think of at the moment.
Tussiemussies
9-3-13, 10:56pm
One thing I was thinking about is that you don't want to wind up with bedbugs there, I would get a plastic mattress cover that encases the whole mattress and one for the boxsprings. Would have people bring their own pillows and bed linens and read up on how to prevent bedbugs. I believe there are aromatherapy oils you can use and there are also aromatherapy oils for keeping spiders at bay. Whomever would clean regularly could apply these where they are supposted to go.
I wouldn't allow dogs because they may have fleas, you never know how clean they are.....
Good luck with your renovation project keep us up to date, I am excited to hear what you do. Can you post some pictures?
Chris
AmeliaJane
9-3-13, 11:06pm
We rent houses for our extended family get-togethers. Yes, a drip coffee maker is a must. We would probably not rent somewhere without wi-fi...but that is your call.
The last place had a crockpot and that was REALLY nice. Crockpot meals are good for vacations since you can fix something and then go out for your fun. Make sure there's a corkscrew, working can opener, and bottle opener!
The other thing this rental had that was really appreciated was a family room stocked with a variety of toys for all ages, ranging from dolls and toddler toys up through ping-pong and an older video game model. Since everyone was traveling to the rental, we could only bring a limited number of toys with us, and the kids loved having new things to play with. You wouldn't have to get super-elaborate, but I bet families would appreciate some playthings. Nothing was particularly new--everything looked to be thrifted or hand-me-downs from the owners' own children.
The pet question is always tricky. If dogs or cats were there, then I couldn't stay there ... Allergies. But other people won't use it if they can't take their pet. Either way you lose a significant customer base.
On the pet issue I would personally say no cats but dogs ok, as long as you're getting adequate cleaning fee. (and this coming from someone with 2 cats) I know tons of people allergic to cats, but can't personally think of anyone who is allergic to dogs, (except Tammy...). And cats don't do well in a space that smells like other cats anyway, so they are better off just staying home. And the last thing you want is cats peeing in your place or scratching the furniture. Dogs, as long as they're not potty training puppies, travel a lot better than cats.
If the cabin is on septic, you don't want to add a garbage disposal, just asking for trouble by putting more water into the tank.
The mattress and box spring covers against bedbugs are a good idea. I've been reading up on them. They travel in suitcases, bags, anything with a hiding place that you carry from one place to another. Covering the bed will prevent them from nesting in their favorite place, but they may still camp out in the cabin. Bedbugs are my greatest fear as someone renting a place out. I'm not aware of any really foolproof, complete way of preventing them other than never letting anyone come to your house.
Gardenarian
9-4-13, 2:25pm
This is awesome!! Thank you all so much for taking the time to reply.
Reader99 - I was thinking of doing airbnb, though mostly I won't be around. I have a feeling that the expectations on airbnb are a little lower than VRBO.
Thoughts on Airbnb vs VRBO?? There are lots of super fancy places on VRBO, I kind of feel people will feel mine is the lowest of the low end? And VRBO costs a little more - though they offer a lot of support...should I start a separate thread on this?
I haven't had to time read all the responses yet, but will. One thing that is hard for me is that people expect a certain amount of luxury from a vacation rental -while I'm used to making do with 20-year-old pillows, towels and sheets from garage sales, mixed-up flatware, etc. All this luxury is hurting my simple living mind!! But I do hope to make a real income from this, so I guess I have to bite the bullet.
Gardenarian
9-4-13, 2:29pm
Note: The handy person I have working with me used to own the house (!!!) and installed a greywater system - thinks it might be possible to divert the garbage disposal to some sort of compost/ greywater combination. It's kind of hard to do dishes by hand without the disposal (I think?) My dishwasher has a garbage disposal built in, so I'm thinking that would not be good for the septic.
When I say old septic, I mean 1920s, wood, hasn't been pumped in ages - no one is sure where it is.
We're currently in a vacation rental, in Twisp, WA, for the week. It's fabulous! Here are the things I am loving:
-there was a bouquet of fresh flowers in the kitchen when we got here, cut from the garden, not hothouse flowers
-CLEAN interior, well cared for, modern & simple. Bathroom is rustic tile & pine boards.
-comfy bed, queen sized.
-sitting area has a comfy loveseat that coverts to a single bed.
-nicely outfitted small kitchen... Dishes, cooking equipment, stove, frig, all in very good shape, and CLEAN. And a stack washer/dryer for our use.
-outside small porch has a metal table & chairs.
-great written instructions, including neighbor's name, and an invitation to harvest from the garden
-a small bag of fresh produce was left on our doorstep yesterday!
- a few pages with current suggestions for local happs
-cool books on the shelf, and a guitar!
This is a small, under 400Sf cabin. We're paying $85 a night.
Gardenarian
9-4-13, 2:57pm
Quick question for everyone: how did you locate your vacation rental (billboard, newspaper, word of mouth, magazine, VRBO, Airbnb, Craigslist?)
My DH found ours at a local listing service via many varied Google searches for a place in this region.
Perhaps something similar exists in your area? Here is the link:
http://www.centralreservations.net/
PS -- the feedback I am going to give our cabin owner is this:
Please consider washing all linens in a scent free soap.
Please consider adding screen doors to keep yellow jackets & others insects out of the house, while doors are open on hot days.
The handy person I have working with me used to own the house (!!!) and installed a greywater system - thinks it might be possible to divert the garbage disposal to some sort of compost/ greywater combination. It's kind of hard to do dishes by hand without the disposal (I think?) My dishwasher has a garbage disposal built in, so I'm thinking that would not be good for the septic.
Honestly -- and I say this as a person who likes having a garbage disposer -- installing one for use by other people is just asking for trouble. Many people don't know what can and cannot be tossed into the hole. Some of what can be put down a disposer should not end up in a compost heap. Many people don't know that you should run water before, during, and after the time a disposer is used. Many people won't care because it's not theirs and they don't have to pay the plumber to fix the clog. Disposals which are not run properly can end up smelly, too, making it less than pleasant to even walk into the kitchen.
It is very possible to wash dishes by hand without a disposal. Big chunks of leftovers are scraped into the garbage before the dishes soak or wait to get washed. End of story. No need to court trouble....
We went through homeaway.com every time.
Quick question for everyone: how did you locate your vacation rental (billboard, newspaper, word of mouth, magazine, VRBO, Airbnb, Craigslist?)
My vacation rentals came from HomeAway and/or Cyberrentals. I've been really busy at work (14 hour day today), but wanted to reply--probably most of the comments have been made, but based on my annual pursuit of family vacation rentals in VT/Maine, here is what rings my chimes:
--Enough bedroom/sleeping flexibility for the family (bunk beds, trundles, even twin beds in alcoves).
--Charm, but not "dusty"--it can be old and even outdated, but it can't be cluttered or tacky.
--Good seating on the porch--rockers, Adirondack chairs--plenty of seating for people to relax outside.
--Chiminea or fire pit outside is a nice plus
--Nice view/good location
--Accessibility to local activities: having those activities in a "welcome" binder
--Games and books--my family likes "Taboo"--any games that encourage healthy, loud competition!
Also I suggest:
--A personal connection: Strategically placing the owner's family photo helps remind people that a human being owns and loves the house
--A guest book so you can express what the vacation meant to you.
--I have to admit, I weigh in on "yes for wifi"--I don't have to use it if I don't want to, but I like knowing its there.
--Laundry facilities onsite are a big plus
--Coffee is important to me--so important I bring my own coffeemaker. Definitely have some kind of coffee maker. Nothing fancy--just functional.
--I'm not looking for the Heavenly Bed in a vacation rental, but the mattress should be good (firm is great) and there should be extra pillows/blankets.
We found the Colorado cabin we are renting in a few weeks by searching the name of the area followed by cabin. It was probably vrbo listed too. It was the lowest price for the area yet had very good comments. It was also important that comments noted the owner was very responsive and easy to work with. I too am spooked by the bedbug issue as it seems to be everywhere now. We have to stay in a hotel one of our travel nights and though it had many five star comments on tripadvisor, it also had several warnings about bedbugs. That's the last thing one wants to bring home from a vacation.
People did dishes by hand for millennia before the advent of a garbage disposal. Scrape the stuff off the dishes into the trash and then wash the dishes.
If no one knows where the septic is it becomes all the more important not to overload it and have poop coming up into the bath or shower. Something to consider is limiting the number of people you have stay at once. 5-6 people taking long showers will fill up a small or nearly full septic tank right quick.
We found the Colorado cabin we are renting in a few weeks by searching the name of the area followed by cabin. It was probably vrbo listed too. It was the lowest price for the area yet had very good comments. It was also important that comments noted the owner was very responsive and easy to work with. I too am spooked by the bedbug issue as it seems to be everywhere now. We have to stay in a hotel one of our travel nights and though it had many five star comments on tripadvisor, it also had several warnings about bedbugs. That's the last thing one wants to bring home from a vacation.
When you get there, put your luggage in the bathtub and pull the bedding off and inspect the mattress thoroughly. Look not only for bugs (use Google images to see what they look like) but also for dark or red smears. If there is any evidence of bugs ask for a different room. Repeat as needed.
rodeosweetheart
9-5-13, 11:06am
Here is my wish list for a cabin:
shampoo, conditioner, blow drier, soap
kitchen supplies and washing machine detergent
fire extinguishers
fire wood
emergency numbers for people (medical emergency), dogs (vet emergency) and cars (towing and auto-emergencies)
maybe some staple food stuffs if weather/power failure can be an issue
bottled water for same reason
emergency oil lamps and batteries
written instructions in case of power failures or emergencies
games like Scrabble and Monopoly
a jigsaw puzzle that is started on a table and you get to help with
wi-fi (cannot stay without it because am always on call at work)
land line (for cell phone outages and power outages)
info on any food that would deliver, like a pizza
written instructions about stuff that matters to you, so that I can leave the cabin as you would like me to leave it--please don't make me guess--and I will work hard to clean and straighten and take care of things while I am there
maybe a book with photos of neat local attractions--ideas of things to do and places to hike, swim, etc.
Gardenarian
9-5-13, 12:43pm
Okay, I'll do some research on how much it will cost to install wifi - sounds like a deal breaker.
I put up a preliminary ad on AirBnB, as there is no charge. HomeAway and VRBO (which seem to be the same company?) both charge a fee in advance, while AirBnB only takes 3% on actual bookings. It does come up on Google, but on the second page. I'm also going to post on bulletin boards around Stanford and other popular areas nearby. I think many of my rentals may come from local people needing a place for friends or family to stay.
Still need to check how Craigslist works for rentals.
I'm compiling all of your recommendations into a master list, and I'll post that separately when I'm done.
I can't thank you enough for your help!! Keep 'em coming!
I don't think the wifi issue is a deal breaker. The point is to get away and retreat.
The cabins I stay in do not have cable but a TV unit and dvds (I rarely watch when I'm there) and in her 'welcome book' she states that wifi isn't available on the ranch but gives direction to a few hotspots within a 20 minute drive (it's remote).
And since you are allowing dogs - get one of those long handled pooper scoopers and a pail and disposable liners for it. Most people (me!) carry the small poop bags with them when they travel but not a yard sized pooper scooper. Also be very specific as to the number, breed and size you'll allow as well as if they can be on furniture, indoors or outdoors, extra cleaning fees, extra rental fees, extra security deposit, etc... Put that in a paragragh rather than just "pets considered" like VRBO and www.homeaway.com allow. Otherwise potential renters have to call or e-mail you for that info and for some (me!) that can be too much hassle if I'm looking at lots of places. Also you might want to show discounted rates for longer term rentals as some people (me!) often look specificly for lower monthly rates rather than daily or weekly rates. Good luck - sounds like a great place.
As for Wi-Fi or cable - I think that often depends on the length of stay or kind of place. Even Luddite me wants Wi-Fi and cable when I travel even though I don't have either of those at home. One of those "if I'm paying to stay here I want my money's worth" deals. Of course if it's billed as a rustic, out of the way kind of place then you'll get people who probably don't care for wi.fi or cable TV.
If you are allowing dogs I think a outside kennel would be nice. I know when I travel sometimes I want to go somewhere that doesn't allow dogs, I don't want to leave Harley inside all day(particularly if it is hot and no ac) or sometimes just to get him out of my hair for a little bit.
Gardenarian
9-6-13, 2:06pm
I don't think the wifi issue is a deal breaker. The point is to get away and retreat.
My feelings precisely!! The nearest wifi is about 20 minutes away - but a lot of people here say they really need wifi...
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My feelings precisely!! The nearest wifi is about 20 minutes away - but a lot of people here say they really need wifi...
Maybe I'm a really weird example, but I am 100% capable of differentiating between my personal use of WiFi and access to work (more accurately, work's access to me).
I may want to look for a good local restaurant or find out if I can get a day permit for the state park near the rental. Neither task remotely resembles work. And neither task can be completed as quickly as it can on-line and whenever I think of it. I am fully capable of establishing boundaries around when I will respond to requests for work (a whole different deal now that I am self-employed, but nonetheless...).
Especially in an area in which most cellular service is spotty, WiFi is quite useful. It hurts no one by being there and going unused.
iris lilies
9-6-13, 10:48pm
When you get there, put your luggage in the bathtub and pull the bedding off and inspect the mattress thoroughly. Look not only for bugs (use Google images to see what they look like) but also for dark or red smears. If there is any evidence of bugs ask for a different room. Repeat as needed.
This is so useful, I knew not to put baggage on the floor, but I didn't think to put it in the tub and actually search the mattresses.
rodeosweetheart
9-7-13, 8:09am
I wish I could get away and retreat without wifi. But I am always on call and can't stay somewhere without it. There are others who are in the same boat, so if you want to include folks like that in your rental pool, add wi-fi. But if you feel that you want to make some kind of stance against wifi (and that's certainly legitimate, and you might get renters you like better) then don't offer wifi and capitalize on that--maybe you will get interest in the place because of that.
We just missed my husband's yearly retreat to the northwoods because the wifi is unreliable and we were not on vacation and could not drive to Starbucks, half an hour away, and sit for 6 hours a day there.
Our jobs are great in that we can travel if we want, but not so great because we work or check in every 24 hours. I suspect there are many telecommuting jobs like that.
And I really like Spartana's point about making an explicit dog policy--that would be so helpful when choosing a place.
I don't think the wifi issue is a deal breaker. The point is to get away and retreat.
Actually the point is for Gardenian to make her place appealing to as broad a range of people as possible. I would guess that more people who want wifi when none is available will choose not to stay there than the number of people who don't want wifi who will choose not to stay there if she does have it. After all it's much easier to leave turned off something one doesn't want, versus turning on something that doesn't exist.
iris lilies
9-7-13, 1:41pm
About the permanent dog kennel--I don't know. We always bring our own crates. They are collapsible ones that fit easily in the car. I wouldn't leave my dog outside in a strange place with me off the property.
If you have cable internet available, then the wifi cost is just the cost of a router- between $40 and $100, depending on what you get. And some time setting it up, but that's pretty trivial these days.
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Thought of you when I saw this on FB
fidgiegirl
11-25-13, 7:51pm
I think you have offered an update on this in a different thread, but would love to hear again how it is going, Gardenarian . . .
Gardenarian
11-26-13, 8:00pm
Thanks for asking!
I'm going out to meet the Comcast person tomorrow to have wifi installed. No contract, so I can always end it - but I'm having foot surgery and found someone who wanted to rent the cabin for a whole month (while I'm immobile) but they needed wifi. They are paying for half the installation. We'll see how it goes.
Otherwise - wow, I'm making a lot of money! And still getting to use the cabin (though it's sometimes rented when I would like to go out.) I was extremely nervous with my first renters, and learn a little more every time. There have been some surprises - the family of four who rented for one week and left 6 bags of garbage (the big black bags, not the little ones. Lots of diapers.) The people who move everything around. (Where's the refrigerator shelf? What did they do with the sink plug?)
It's been a terrific learning experience for me. Sometimes I have to say "Nope" (you can't rent it with six people just for Christmas day and get the regular rate.) I'm learning to put a higher value on my time. My cabin, which was really a pit when I bought it, feels like my very own creation and it is satisfying to hear how much other people love it and find it just as magical as I do.
AirBnB is a little quirky and lacking in some features (being able to price it differently for different situations. For example, I charge singles less, as there is far less cleaning and laundry.) But I'm figuring it out.
Overall, an empowering and enriching experience, emotionally as well as financially.
fidgiegirl
11-26-13, 9:18pm
That is so fantastic to hear. I am really glad it is going well for you, and so glad you got that whole month rental!
Spartana
11-27-13, 11:54pm
Thanks for posting Gardenarian. I always like to hear advise about the best way to find vacation rentals - especially the month or multi-month long rentals in the off season - so anything you can add is great. I posted about possibly using Craigslist or AirBnB on the open forum to find long term rentals sight unseen and pre-paid so maybe you have some info that can help me there. Do you ask for a deposit before hand or the full amount? Do you use Craigslist (either their vacation rental section or their sublet and temporary section) or stick with VRBO or Homeaway? I have usually used realtor services so felt very secure in handing over money, but am very leery of Craigslist, AirBnB and even VRBO, etc... Any advice? Glad you place is doing so well.
The single most important factor to me personally would be room darkening curtains. When I am on vacation I want to sleep in and I cannot sleep in a bright room. In the past I have had to resort to putting a pillow over my head to keep out the light, but that is not my first choice.
Whenever I am going to be spending a night away from home - especially in a B & B or cabin situation, the first thing I ask them is about their curtains. It really is the deciding factor for me.
Also, along the same vein, I prefer a place with a later check out time (noon).
My suggestion to you, since you are going to be renting this out to strangers on a regular basis, is to contact an attorney to develop an iron-clad rental agreement that will cover you in case of damage. Also, getting a good [refundable] deposit up front is very important. Be sure to put into the agreement a clause that the renter authorizes charging his credit card for any EXCESSIVE damage or theft. That way you can rest assured that they understand they will be responsible for anything that is broken or goes missing.
I can live without internet, but if there is no cell phone signal (or a marginal one), I would let people know in advance. Most people don't want to be completely out of touch with family and friends.
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