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Not trying to start anything here. Just feeling really sad about this..........and all the others, whose parents sent them off to school, like any other day.
I was wondering how she was doing. At first, they said only 2 students were hurt, but not seriously. Then it turned out to be that one was hurt critically.
How heartbreaking.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/21/22001114-colorado-high-school-shooting-victim-claire-davis-dies?lite
pinkytoe
12-22-13, 11:34am
It is still inconceivable to me that schools have become places of potential violence. Unthinkable when I was growing up. And the randomness is hard to fathom. Had this girl been somewhere else separated by seconds, she might still be here.
CathyA, super-hard on us here in Colorado too. Everybody was pulling for her.
Yossarian
12-22-13, 9:44pm
It is still inconceivable to me that schools have become places of potential violence.
Always sad when you have even one death but schools are some of the safest places and getting safer.
From NPR: http://www.npr.org/2012/03/16/148758783/violence-in-schools-how-big-a-problem-is-it
School homicides:
http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/03/gr-school-violence300.gif
School violence:
http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2012/03/gr-school-homicide300.gif
For comparison, in the USA, we're running at about 12 high school football deaths a year.
Then there's teenage driving...
http://www.ghsa.org/html/publications/pdf/spotlights/spotlight_teens12.pdf
puglogic
12-23-13, 12:19am
Well, then, I guess it's okay.
Well, then, I guess it's okay.
NONE of it is ok!!! It being ok was likely not bae's point. There are many dangers our teens face, and the intensity of school shootings is particularly powerful. It is very sad.
Still.................WHY did Yossarian and Bae have to bring up their damned "statistics"!!? Why couldn't they have said nothing, or just said "yes, it is a tragedy".
Sheesh!!
goldensmom
12-23-13, 6:46am
Still.................WHY did Yossarian and Bae have to bring up their damned "statistics"!!? Why couldn't they have said nothing, or just said "yes, it is a tragedy".
Sheesh!!
I half way agree with you, CathyA, but it is helpful for some people, including me, to look at a wider picture in times of such tragedy in order not become overwhelmed by or stuck in sadness. Sharing statistical information can be insensitive depending on how the information is given/received but I will assume that in this situation it was just sharing information and not intended to be uncaring or unfeeling.
catherine
12-23-13, 7:11am
IMO, OP was simply trying to express sadness over the loss of this girl's life, period. She was not trying to make sense of the death in the broader picture, nor was she setting up an argument against guns. Not at all, from what I can see in the original post--there are other threads on that topic. The gentlemen doth protest too much, methinks.
Cathy, yes, very tragic to see this young life end too soon. Very sad.
Thank you catherine!
goldensmom........ANY single child ANYWHERE who is killed in this manner is tragic, and no amount of statistics will ease the pain.
I just think of all the times I put my children on the schoolbus, saying "Love you! See you later!".......and if ANYTHING had happened to them at school, it would have been unbearable.....forever.
You just don't expect your child to never return from a supposedly safe place like school.
Unfortunately we simply can't protect our kids from every threat there is. As a father of three I know full well how hard that can be to reconcile.
I can barely start to imagine how devastating this is for the family. They will be in my prayers
goldensmom
12-23-13, 8:36am
Thank you catherine!
goldensmom........ANY single child ANYWHERE who is killed in this manner is tragic, and no amount of statistics will ease the pain.
I just think of all the times I put my children on the schoolbus, saying "Love you! See you later!".......and if ANYTHING had happened to them at school, it would have been unbearable.....forever.
You just don't expect your child to never return from a supposedly safe place like school.
CathyA, did I say ease? I was attempting to say that I did not feel that the statistic posters were trying to be insensitive. A good example of how a statement is made/intended (by me) and received/interpreted (by you). Whenever my child goes out of my sight sight I expect them to return. The last time I saw my brother and sister (they were teenagers), I did not expect them to be killed in auto accidents. Lots of brothers and sisters get killed in auto accidents but knowing that did not 'ease' my pain. And if you will reread my comment, I said 'some' people, not all. Also, as you are emphasizing semantics lets say that any child killed in ANY manner is tragic which would then include auto accidents.
Additionally, this is a forum not a blog. Forums connotes discussions.
I think the point is regardless of statistics that children didn't used to get murdered while at school. Accidental deaths are somewhat expected in the lottery of potential risks of raising children to adulthood. I would like to understand the reasons for such unhappy teens and why they are compelled to kill. Did their parents or others close to them not notice their extreme sadness and propensity for violence?
I think the point is regardless of statistics that children didn't used to get murdered while at school. Accidental deaths are somewhat expected in the lottery of potential risks of raising children to adulthood. I would like to understand the reasons for such unhappy teens and why they are compelled to kill. Did their parents or others close to them not notice their extreme sadness and propensity for violence?
I would be curious as to the correlation, if any, of school shootings and psychoactive drugs.
I can't imagine that parents are on the ball and involved with a child's life and emotional state.......only to have them out of the blue, freak out and do horrendous things. I think these kids fall through the cracks at home.
Yossarian
12-23-13, 3:11pm
I would be curious as to the correlation, if any, of school shootings and psychoactive drugs.
From what I understand the correlation is quite high but I would think it is hard to sort out the cause vs simple correlation.
Yossarian
12-23-13, 3:23pm
I think the point is regardless of statistics that children didn't used to get murdered while at school.
If you are looking for a change, that change seems to have occurred somewhere in the 60s.
http://jpfo.org/images11/sandyhook/school-shootings-1867.png
There is certainly room to link an upswing in psychoactive drug use to increased causalities in the late 1960's, but I agree it would be hard (an almost certainly incorrect) to rule that as the single contributing factor.
I would be curious as to the correlation, if any, of school shootings and psychoactive drugs.
I should clarify that by "psychoactive" I'm referring to prescribed drugs, rather than recreational ones. I should have made that clear. If someone isn't studying the connection, they should be.
Yossarian
12-26-13, 2:32pm
I should clarify that by "psychoactive" I'm referring to prescribed drugs, rather than recreational ones. I should have made that clear. If someone isn't studying the connection, they should be.
http://www.ssristories.com/index.php?p=school
Teacher Terry
12-26-13, 2:58pm
Cathy, it is so sad that kids may die at school-it really does not matter how infrequently it happens-it should not happen at all. It never used to happen at all. My BF lost her 19 year old daughter to a rare illness & the pain never goes away. People also never used to get killed at work either. In our community which is not that large there have been 2 work shootings & 1 school shooting recently. :(
I should clarify that by "psychoactive" I'm referring to prescribed drugs, rather than recreational ones. I should have made that clear. If someone isn't studying the connection, they should be.
Good to know, but I think 'mother's little helpers' became much more prevalent in the 1960's as well. No doubt though that we've taken Valium and a martini to new heights drugging our kids into submission.
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