+ 1 these stories are just more NRA and Fox News fairy tails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs-M
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+ 1 these stories are just more NRA and Fox News fairy tails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs-M
No, you seem fine with them just being defenseless victims. But if that really is your issue, the least you could do is focus your contributions on statistics showing how big a problem that is instead of half-truths about police incidents.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs-M
And for the record, most of the support behind self defense is focussed on loved ones, not hero scenarios.
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http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticon...gif?1292867631 Couldn't agree more!Quote:
Originally Posted by freein05
And your threat with the 'many happy returns with the NRA' was just peachy? You know what, I may have said before that you were an exception, but I change my mind. You are paranoid, as well as delusional, sitting at breakfast with a loaded gun in your holster, every ready to spring to the defense of your helpless neighbors. I'm sure they get a laugh from that one, behind your back of course. You need to turn off the late night TV and join the reality based world.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Maybe you don't know this, so I'll clue you in. You are not a cop. You are not military, or special forces, or defender of everything free and good and apple pie on your secluded little island. You are not The Great Gatsby playing superman in a Micky Spillane novel.
You are George Zimmerman. With a tony address.
And I'm pretty sure you find the truth loathsome. Tough.
There were two armed "good guys" on the scene when the Tacoma Mall shootings occurred. I believe one of them is still paralyzed, but at least he survived. Neither were able to stop the shooter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Mall_shooting
There are approximately 31,000 gun deaths a year in the US. That's like a 747 carrying around 500 people, crashing about every 6 days, all year long. Every 6 days a huge plane crash!
Now, if that were happening, what would we do? Would we ban 747's? I think we probably would, after about the 7th or 8th crash, maybe sooner. We certainly wouldn't give credence from the planes maker calling a press conference to announce the solution is to fly more 747's.
A 747, crashing every 6 days, all year long.
Most of the 30,000-ish deaths by firearms are drug-related or suicide in nature. Feel free to look it up. Of course, I'll not argue that this is acceptable. Would these disappear if the guns did? Not likely. W
Gun homicide rate appears to be about 10k per year. Again, far too many. Wonder what the decriminalization of drugs would do to that number? Right. Much easier to talk about limiting magazine capacities. Anyone with any experience at all knows that mags can be changed in a second or so with some practice. If it would save one life, should we not proceed with it? That is a slippery slope, for sure:
You might be interested to know that over 100,000 of us die every year from bedsores in medical care facilities. Intentional? Probably not. Preventable? Yes. Worth more than a snippet on the evening news? Not when you can rile up emotions on both sides of the gun control debate and sell "product" to the audience, spreading a couple dozen funerals over a week's worth of evening news. It's obscene, out of scale, sensational. Tragic, no feeling person can deny.
Deaths by motor vehicle travel are also much higher at nearly 100 citizens a day (never mind the huge contribution alcohol makes to this statistic). Where is the outcry for regulation here? Shall we ask or allow our all knowing, all caring government to help us out of this jam by perhaps limiting vehicle power, weight, top speed, acceleration? Does anyone really need a sports car with over 600 horsepower capable of three times the speed limit? Why is this allowed to continue? Some people even collect these killing machines. Jay Leno should probably be institutionalized. Speed kills. It is obvious to most of us. What kind of an icky person wants the capability to go that fast where it is generally not possible or legal?
I can envision an Approved Travel regulation being promulgated that would help save our precious humanity from these killing machines whose sole purpose is to go faster than legally permitted and encourage our vulnerable citizenry to commit dangerous acts on the roadways we all must use to get to our next very important destination (Starbucks, Walmart, and such). Unnecessary travel (government should define and enforce) is a big contributor, here. How many trips do our citizens make that they could perhaps consolidate or do without? Perhaps walk or bike and go GREEN while saving a life. I don't own a fast car, don't feel like I need one, and I don't trust people who seem to have a fetish for them. Oh, and why such large capacity tanks on vehicles? Does anyone really need 18, 22, 30 gallons of low flashpoint, highly volatile flammable liquid strapped to the undercarriage of their conveyance. Government limit should be three gallons in the interest of fuel efficiency and traffic reduction. Inspections can be fortified to address owners who get a black market expanded fuel tank for their own convenience (which obviously increases the risk to all of us). I'd go on but I've lost interest. I'm off to dedicate my efforts to avoiding a hospital stay and the sixth largest leading cause of death: medical treatment screw-ups.
Did you read why? According to the link (and contrary to what some people say here) one guy didn't shoot because of bystanders. The other guy actually had the draw on the shooter but resorted to verbal tactics to try and difuse the situation. Not cowboys. My guess is today people would be less likely to risk giving the shooter a chance to choose to shoot it out.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
One of the first rules of responsible shooting: make certain of your target and what is beyond it. I trust myself to make that call despite a lack of law enforcement training. It would be sort of a subconscious risk assessment to know when and where to fire. Not easy. Not a situation I'd like to be in. I'd also not like to be the one who could do nothing while other defenseless people die before my eyes. Not likely to ever see that despite what this culture of fear promotes. Given the choice, I'd be happy to take this person down if I could do it safely. Heaven help me if I hit him as he was turning to flee and am prosecuted for murder.
There are about 8,500 gun homicides a year, and that number has been going DOWN as gun ownership has gone UP recently.Quote:
Originally Posted by peggy
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datab...crime-us-state
What percent of those 8,500 deaths are gang related and what percent is justifiable self defense?
Is there a correlation between shootings and restrictive carry rules? Hint, check Chicago and DC for starters