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Originally Posted by Alan
OK, let see if this works.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
OK Alan, i pushed the multi quote button and nothing happened. what's supposed to happen?
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Originally Posted by Alan
OK, let see if this works.Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
OK Alan, i pushed the multi quote button and nothing happened. what's supposed to happen?
OH Ok I see now. when I pushed the button your quote didn't show up for me to type under but just added it to frugal-one's post after the fact, so to speak.
Now how can I quote you, add my comment then quote frugal-one, or anyone else and add my input underneath? know what i mean?
See, this is just one of the many problems with Trump. He won't give in, or hit bottom or whatever. You think Obama has issued a lot of executive orders (although Bush/Reagan issued way more) Trump will rule by executive order. The first time he gets any push back from congress he will start issuing and won't stop. He is, after all, running for CEO of America and as CEO he expects his every whim to be fulfilled. His ego would not allow him to compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
To him, a bankruptcy is simply another opportunity to build it up again. Bankrupt a business, bankrupt a country...it's all the same to him. It really is a game for him. He's the drunk uncle at Thanksgiving who declares that if they would put HIM in charge he would fix everything.
The Trump presidency is going to be really fun!
You can multi-quote as many posts as you want. Each time you click on the multi-quote button, nothing will happen until you get to your final quotable post and activate the 'Reply With Quote' link. Then all the posts will show up in your Quick Reply box, formatted as individual quotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by peggy
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I will admit I'd be interested to see what the Trump Presidential Library might look like.
Zing! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
As did every Congress person when dealing with the folks back home. Everyone, save the few who didn't vote for it. Everyone else stood behind their President, assuming he wouldn't be so dishonest as to lie to them to enter a deadly, and expensive war. You do realize the Dems weren't exactly let in on the secret meetings and intelligence. plenty of Republicans weren't as well. They only let them see what they wanted them to see to bolster their assertions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Bush, Chaney, Rice, Rumsfeld, and the few top republicans who did see ALL of the intelligence should be in prison. They are war criminals.
I will never forgive them, and every person who lost a loved one will never forgive them. Ever. Our men and women didn't die for this country, your freedom, or any other blah blah blah people try to sell. They died for no-bid contracts and oil. And revenge and ego. Period. They created Isis.
And they created Trump. He is simple the culmination of 30 years of hate, fear, lock and load second amendment solutions, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah palin, welfare queens, 47% takers, they're coming for your guns and bibles, dems hate America and freedom....and a ready supply of the not so bright to believe them.
Frankly, I find it amusing that the right is (acting) so shocked by the rise of Trump. He is everything they believe in. He just says it without code words and dog whistles.
Point by point, anyone could take any of Trumps positions and find a wealth of republicans who say/believe the exact same thing. Just not so crude about it. This is the real fear the right has of Trump. He exposes them for what they really are and what they really believe.
For your edification, and my amusement:Quote:
Originally Posted by peggy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0f5u_0ytUs
I think the Trump phenomenon pretty much came as a surprise to everybody. Some on the Left can now claim He's the result of years of coarse lies and hate-mongering that the Left's high standard of discourse was unable to counter. If everything else is ultimately GW Bush's fault, why not this as well? Some on the Right can say he's a reaction to a pusillanimous GOP establishment that failed to oppose the abuses of the Obama administration vigorously enough, as well as a popular revolt against increasingly aggressive political correctness in the culture at large.
Personally, I think it's foolish and simplistic to claim any particular set of forces "created" Trump like some kind of Frankenstein's monster. I think we are in a period where dissatisfied people express their frustration through demagogues making impossible and inconsistent promises and offering up plausible scapegoats like Trump or Sanders.
Victor Davis Hanson has my admiration for being able to present a clear coherent persuasive piece on why the proper coarse of action is to vote for Trump when the time comes. If you read it with an open mind..and ...provided Trump does nothing to torpedo his own candidacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
But I have to disagree with one point. He definitely uses more than just three adjectives (tremendous, great and huge)... don't forget...."bigly".
However, I must admit a certain glee at the notion that such an abominable nitwit like Trump could twart the combined will of the great Republican Establishment, with the assistance of 10 million plus primary voters. Yes, they created in part the monster but now that he has been shown around a little, declared wanting by his creators......we plebes have kinda grown to like him. Given the types of candidates we are used to.......I much prefer a misfit over a seasoned liar. There is nothing redeeming about her. Trump is now our firewall.
Some potential leaders offer the "sunny way" of Justine Trudeau recently elected in Canada or the 'melodrama' of an completely independent Trump vs establishment. They promise to change the reality of today's world. It cannot be done and the sooner we accept the reality that our societies have changed irretrievably, need to adapt and look for options for the future, the sooner the populations will have confidence in the future. Blindly spending our children's future to prop up the old system or shutting out the world while wishing for the old ways to return are not an option.
What would a credible futurist envision?
You don't talk/write like any cop I ever knew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
I agree. Western society has permanently changed and adapting to it is the only realistic option. It could be said that my leaving it? A form of adaptation. Others will adapt in different ways but the silver lining - interesting twists and turns in the plot of our lives. Maybe not what we foresaw but an extended life span somewhere warm and without health care being a loaded gun constantly cocked to my head? Works for me.......others are of course free to adapt as they see fit. But are you ever dead on about trying to prop up the old ways in this very changed world. RobQuote:
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Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
wait. What? Are you leaving?
Western Society? Or just the U.S?
Bobby Jindal referred to Trump (whom he personally despises) as "the second worst choice". I think it's possible for reasonable people to disagree on that. If the GOP is going to fragment, my thinking is that a quick, painful break rather than a drawn-out agony. If there truly is a yahoo element, best to lose them now and start the rebuilding program immediately. Minimizing the association with Trump as soon and as decisively as possible might be worth four years of Clinton, especially if Congress acts responsibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
http://youtu.be/a75u3ske8MYYou mean guys like Officer JD Buck SavageQuote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
This is a real training video from my academy class 1985
My husband and I are looking into other countries, right now the Phillipines is looking like a good choice. How do I say this? Life is short, why stay and struggle needlessly when there are other options? But yes, non-Western countries. RobQuote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Precisely where we part ways.......four years of Clinton is unsurvivable because of the foundation that will be prepared for a new euro American reality. We were clearly just one young or even middle aged inspiring man or woman or liquid flowing back and forth progressive, socialist /communist away from a true transformation. Sanders was a shot across the bow of a sinking ship.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
Dude, I am a little worried you all might be in for a rude awakening. I say this as a fellow liberal! Moving to the Philippines ain't like moving to Norway. It is a third-world country where crazy stuff happens daily -- they have sweatshops like it is normal, quack "doctors," homophobia is rampant, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Layman's terms, please.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
"Looking into other countries" as in a plan to to leave within 12 months?Quote:
Originally Posted by gimmethesimplelife
Edited to be nice
Last train to Snarksville...Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
President Tax and Spend Sanders on steroids. It's All FREE!Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
I'm more optimistic than that. I don't think that even at this juncture we are as vulnerable than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
As you know, I am fine with taxing rich people at a more reasonable level. Though I am dubious about much of the spending this nation does.Quote:
Originally Posted by Williamsmith
I am not that pessimistic. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
We are not, even at this juncture, headed for a full-on doomsday.
Doomsday, Socialism. Potato, Potato.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
haha, I snort laughed.Ok. i edited it.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
That is how I feel about our capitalist dystopia. hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
It might do us all good to be temporary citizens of other countries just to understand how well off we all are here in USA. Russia might be a nice start.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
I think part of the reason so many young people like Bernie's message of socialism is that they traveled to Europe or made friends with Europeans in college or have spent lots of time with Canadians or Australians or spent time in these types of places.
So they were just like: "If this is Democratic Socialism -- Sweeeet! Universal healthcare, light-rail, more relaxed ways of life, civil liberties galore! Sign me up!"
But what they don't realize is that a very high percentage of their $ is going into taxes to support all that. Also some of those countries have a very high unemployment rate. I am not against any of those things but I would also need to weigh that against how much more I would pay in taxes.
I actually think they know about the taxes. But they also know that Europe has a more progressive tax structure.
Yea I think most people expect taxes would be higher (but then again health insurance is also very costly - so a lot of people would break even). As for unemployment the problem is countries usually have very different ways of measuring unemployment, so it's often difficult to compare unemployment rates across countries.Quote:
But what they don't realize is that a very high percentage of their $ is going into taxes to support all that. Also some of those countries have a very high unemployment rate. I am not against any of those things but I would also need to weigh that against how much more I would pay in taxes.
I want to be one of those rich young people that gets to travel though, young people have all the time and money in the world I guess. Oh well I'm middle aged and middle class so so much for that fantasy.
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Ok, thanks. That kind of makes sense.:DQuote:
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A lot of European countries have a pretty significant VAT, which tends to to be very progressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by UltraliteAngler
Well duh! Of course they had a 'program'. Or we suspected they did. They did before and we wanted to be sure they were following through with their promise to dismantle it. See Alan, that was what the speech was about. Saddam was obstructing the inspectors and Clinton was laying out what we could do if the inspectors wern't allowed to finish their job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
But you notice, Clinton DIDN'T invade. He kept a close watch on it and used careful reasoning to keep us OUT of a war. And it worked...until Bush came along. And Rumsfeld and Cheney were itching to start a war with him. 9/11 was a godsend for them. Unfortunately, there wasn't any real evidence that Saddam had anything at all to do with 9/11. That's where the lies and arm twisting/brow beating came in.
"Either your with us or your against us" Remember that one? How many American Democratic leaders were accused of 'loving the terrorist" simply because they disagreed with Bush. How about Cheney outing our own CIA agent in retaliation for her husband calling them on their lies. How can you possibly condone or excuse any of that?
There were NO weapons of mass destruction. None. Apparently Clinton discovered that. This is why HE didn't attack. So your link is fine, the speech is fine. It just doesn't say what You think it says. It simply shows careful measured approach to dealing with an admittedly nasty character.
And by the way, just so you know...they ALL have weapons of mass destruction 'programs'. Every one of them. They either have it or they want it.
I agree. It could go either way. His little constituent support seems to be coming from Republicans who are holding their nose and towing the party line, and he is no great friend of the media. If he wanders too far off into the weeds I can see the media blow things out or proportion and an impeachment political bandwagon in the works. His VP pick could be strategic. Or maybe I've just been watching Game of Thrones too much.Quote:
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Apparently Jon Snow is alive and available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar