Another shooting at YouTube. First reports woman was the shooter. Interesting huh? More dead bodies guns didn’t kill.
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Another shooting at YouTube. First reports woman was the shooter. Interesting huh? More dead bodies guns didn’t kill.
Bodies last I checked meant more then one. Three wounded, one (the shooter) dead. Not the same style weapon (a pistol), in a gun free zone again, and last report I saw, said it was a domestic dispute (one man, two women wounded).Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
So no, the gun didn't decide to take itself in there and open fire, someone who could have used a knife, a backpack bomb, their vehicle, or a pressure cooker did.
Now there've been reports that it wasn't a domestic dispute but rather, that she was angry at youtube's demonitization of a lot of amateur channels such as hers.
I suppose those 3 recent court decisions have, for better or for worse, settled the issue. Just as, for better or for worse, the court has also decided that commerce is pretty much anything congress calls it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I am, though, somewhat surprised that conservatives would be in favor of this relatively recent interpretation of the second amendment. It wasn't until the '60's when the black panthers used this interpretation to justify carrying shotguns while monitoring police in Oakland and then went to the statehouse in Sacramento carrying guns that people seriously started considering the concept that the amendment was ascribing an individual right to bear arms instead of a collective right to bear arms.
http://www.radiolab.org/story/radiol...fect-gun-show/
In Rhode Island the House Judiciary Committee approved 2 bills which would ban bump stocks and implement a "red flag" policy, whereby police can obtain a court order to confiscate firearms from individual the court deems to be a threat of imminent harm to themselves or others. They are expected to pass the House and Senate and become law.
The Governor of Vermont has signed into law 2 measures of the same effect, as well as raising the age to buy a gun from 16 to 21, banning high-capacity magazines, and making background checks mandatory on all firearms sales.
They passed such a law in Florida. It was shocking it passed in this red, easy to get concealed carry license state. There are two shooting ranges with classes within five miles from my house.
Now the task task is to ensure this law is only used in extreme circumstances. We have our share of crazies, especially old ones, in this heavily gun filled state. I think the legislation is good, but only if used properly.
A Pennsylvania school district is taking "aggressive measures to improve safety and security."
Millcreek Township School District is training all teachers in the T.R.O.J.A.N. response to a threat. District Superintendent Hall issued 16"-long wooden bats to 500 teachers during training on April 9. An additional 100 bats will be maintained in school offices and other school locations. Hall stated, "Teachers will have the option to use the bats if a threat arises.... it's not about just hiding and waiting. There are options, and one of those is to fight."
The local newspaper reported that the bats cost about $1,800.
There will also be a greater presence of armed police officers in the schools.
https://www.mtsd.org/featured-news/m...t-william-hall
Sort of reminds me of Catholic school in the sixties.Quote:
Originally Posted by dado potato
Haha! I hear ya, LDAHL. I still have PTSD from the treatment I got from Sister Catherina and Sister Ellen Marie, but what didn't kill me made me stronger. If I hadn't had kind, compassionate teachers along the way, too, like Sister Roserma and Sister Theresa Claire, I may never have recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
I went to Catholic School for one day. Not a good fit for anyone!Quote:
Originally Posted by catherine
I did have to attend CCD (Catholic Children's Dungeon) every Sunday after church. I am pretty sure a couple nuns and a priest have PTSD from me being unmanageable and all the cognitive dissonance I caused them! haha
Sitting here thinking that at some point a kid will get a hold of one of those bats, and there will be some assault and "bat" tery pun, while others will start to protest about having bats at school.>8)
What rocket scientist decided that bats were a good defense against guns?
Teacher Terry,
I can imagine an informal debate about this question in the teachers' lounges in that school district: Is it more effective to club a threat over the head with your bat, or to poke him in the eye? <sarcasm>
Thanks for giving me a good laugh:~).
In Illinois, local efforts are underway to blunt the effect of any new legislation which may pass regulating bump stocks, high capacity magazines, etc.
In Illinois five county boards passed largely symbolic resolutions declaring themselves "sanctuary counties for gun owners". The County Board of Effingham County, (population 34,000) in southern IL voted 8-1 to bar county employees from enforcing new laws that would violate the right to keep and bear arms.
Fox News reported that the resolutions of Effingham County and 5 other county boards are intended to send a message to the Democratic-controlled legislature in IL: if it passes firearms bills, such as increasing the minimum age for owning a gun or prohibiting a bump stock, these counties will instruct their employees to ignore the new law.
Rex Huppke wrote an op-ed piece in the Chicago Tribune, sarcastically praising the Effingham County Board for its "symbolic and unenforceable resolution that addresses problems that don't exist." Furthermore he urged nervous Illinois gun owners to move to Effingham County. "... For too long, heat-packers have had to live in fear that at any moment the government or a band of raging liberals ... might swoop down and start grabbing all the guns. ...You who have been made to feel uncomfortable because school-shooting survivors have become vocally anti-school shooting, go to Effingham County. ...Go, I say. Your sanctuary awaits."
In Deschutes County, Oregon, efforts are underway to put an initiative on the ballot for the November elections, the Second Amendment Preservation Ordinance. If passed, the initiative would empower the Sheriff of Deschutes County to determine whether any federal, state or local regulation violates the Constitution. "Any regulation of the right to keep and bear arms or ancillary firearms rights that violate ... the Constitution... shall be regarded by the People on and in Deschutes County as unconstitutional, a transgression of the Supreme Law of the Land and its spirit of Liberty, and therefore by necessity void ab initio"
I understand that backers of the initiative need about 4,100 signatures of county residents by a certain deadline for the initiative to be placed on the ballot.
That's a perfect illustration of the greatness of America. Much like many urban areas declaring themselves sanctuaries against Federal Immigration laws, rural areas have taken notice and started declaring themselves as sanctuaries against their big city brethren's restriction of their liberties. I love this sort of thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by dado potato
It’s amusing, but if we go too far down the path of forming little tribes and nullifying laws we find uncongenial, we wind up like the Balkans. I especially think it’s a bad idea to allow the police the power to interpret the Constitution. That is not to say that an all-powerful central government is the answer.
Apparently the New York Times is upset that the Federal government's recent efforts to finally *prosecute* violations of existing gun laws will:
" sap energy from further legislative or regulatory efforts to combat gun violence, like regulating assault weapons or increasing background check requirements."
And:
"Enforcement isn’t always the solution to those different types of crimes. The result might be to increase the federal prison population without a correlating reduction in crime.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/u...n-charges.html
So enforcing existing law would sap energy from the effort to pass additional unenforceable laws?Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Sounds like a good example of NYT logic.
Oliver North, newly appointed president of the National Rifle Association, was interviewed by "The Washington Times". As reported by MSN News 5/10/18, North takes umbrage in response to the activism of Parkland survivors. "This kind of thing" North calls "civil terrorism".
According to the MSN account:
Since the 14 February school shooting in Parkland FL that left 17 dead, teenage survivors of the shooting have repeatedly criticized the NRA on Twitter for its decades-long campaign to block stricter gun laws. They have also pushed companies to break ties with the NRA and companies that manufacture military-style weapons.
"They can do all the cyberwar against us -- they're doing it," North said. "They can use the media against us -- they are. They've gone after our bank accounts, our finances, our donors, and obviously individual members. It's got to stop."
Ah, Oliver North, traitor extraordinaire - but I guess after Moses, there's nowhere to go but down. . .
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nse/604716002/
so one of the reddest states, Oklahoma, wanted to ease gun laws further. Law enforcement was against it. The gov. Vetoed the bill. NRA is pledging to oust her.
I personally trust the boots on the ground who see what goes on in the streets and put their lives in danger over The small percentage of NRA members. I don’t want to take any law abiding citizens guns away, but please let’s listen to what law enforcement has to say.
The state law enforcement agency mentioned said they'd lose $5M annually in licensing fees and would need to lay off 60 personnel if citizens were allowed their full constitutional rights.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
I suppose law enforcement would also have an easier and safer time of it if we did something about the pesky 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th Amendments to the Constitution as well....Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
You are not going to die from someone telling you what you don’t want to hear or women voting and so on.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Oregon Initiative Petition #43 will be on the statewide ballot in November. The initiative, if passed, would declare that The people of the State of Oregon find and declare that a reduction in the availability of assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines will promote ... public health and safety.
Section 3 of IP #43 defines "assault weapon" and "large capacity ammunition magazine".
Section 4 makes it a crime to unlawfully possess or transfer an assault weapon or high capacity magazine, effective January 1, 2019. People who legally owned such items before the law goes into effect would be allowed to apply for registration, subject to a criminal background check. I understand that registered owners would be restricted to possession (and transport) on their own property or a shooting range. They would be required to report theft of any of the registered items within 48 hours. They would not be allowed to buy more assault weapons and large capacity magazines.
Owners who do not apply for registration will have 120 days to remove the unlawful items from the state of Oregon, sell them to a registered firearms dealer, surrender them to law enforcement for destruction, or render them inoperable.
I expect there will be a lively debate between supporters and opponents of the initiative.
Registration of “such items”. I just checked - I have hundreds of such things. My FAL magazines were purchased by the 500 magazine case, for $1.25/magazine.
Since they lack serial numbers, how exactly will such things be registered? How much will it cost me to register my $1.25 item?
The links for my Browning machine guns - when I link too many of them together, do I need to register the assembly? See they unlink when fired, am I manufacturing a new unlawful item when I pick them up and reassemble them? The cloth belts for the same weapons....if I cut them into shorter lengths, am I OK? If I sew a strip of cloth with too many loops, am I a criminal?
Come and get ‘em....
I see the cop who loitered outside the building during the Parkland shooting is collecting a pension of $8,702/month at the age of 55. Maybe he could retire to Oregon. Less chance of gunfire and you still don't need to pump your own gas in the bigger towns.
Why do you need a machine gun? Is it an antique you keep for sentimental reasons?
Need has really nothing to do with it. I collect most examples of John M. Browning’s firearms designs, as a gunsmith and as a matter of engineering, technological, and historical interest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teacher Terry
I believe the genius and industry of John M. Browning is to be admired. 128 firearms patents. The Browning Automatic Rifle (BAR) has been instrumental in winning wars in the capable hands of the US Army and USMC.
As I understand the Oregon Initiative, a collector of firearms who lawfully obtained a BAR prior to 1/1/2019 would be able to register it with the State of Oregon (subject to a criminal background check), or to sell it to a registered firearms dealer. Some aspects of registration may be comedic. But the registered owner of a BAR would still be able to fire-away on a rifle range or his/her own private property.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtx12dzs5n8
Earlier in this space I had quoted lyrics of a song that was recorded in the early 70s. It spoke of violent fantasies involving a BAR in an urban setting. I decided to delete it because it contained offensive language, and it does not pertain directly to the present topic, which is the aftermath of the Parkland FL shooting incident.
you are precisely the kind of person that these laws will hurt and not protect anyone. Our population is 325million in the US and there are approx 17,000 murders, so the very large majority of people mean no harm unless attacked. But for some reason making everyone pay is often a feel good solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
My bags are searched and I go through a metal detector before i I go on a plane, into the senate office building and so on. However I have no means or intent to harm anyone. 3% of planned parenthood procedures are abortion, yet the call to shut them down and the huge amount of STD testing and treatment, birth control, cancer screenings and so on are not duplicated elsewhere. What is fair and reasonable in circumstances like this?
I think the last time a BAR was used in criminal activity by non-state-actors was Bonnie and Clyde, which led directly to the Gun Control Act of 1934, commonly referred to as the "National Firearms Act", which the NRA sponsored, which established the regulatory framework for machine guns and other such things.Quote:
Originally Posted by dado potato
I have sitting in front of me right now a cloth belt for a Browning M1919 machine gun, used to feed ammunition into the firearm. It is a simple cotton strap, with loops sewn into it. It holds 250 rounds of ammunition. You can cut and trim it to whatever smaller size you want.
So, if I drive into California with a cotton strap with 10 loops, all is good. If it has 11 loops sewn into it, I'm committing a felony in California. (I don't go to California much these days...)
But it did tell a fictional story of a violent person with a fictional BAR threatening innocents and dreaming of violence and war in all its glory, and at least 60 of us had the opportunity to visualize its setting and message before it was removed for "offensive language", so, well done.Quote:
Originally Posted by dado potato
Quote:
Originally Posted by dado potato
I tend to think about a popular song about a school shooting in the 70's by the Boomtown Rats. Heck, there are several school shooting songs.
At Santa Fe High School, 36 miles southeast of Houston TX, another school shooting has occurred. The suspect, who is a student, is in custody. Early accounts on the live TV coverage said the shooting began in an art class between 7:30 and 7:45. A teacher pulled a fire alarm. Some students ran for the nearest exits, while others hid in classrooms. The high school has a capacity of 1,400 students. At least 3 students were fatalities and one law enforcement officer was injured. The shooter was reportedly armed with a shotgun.
The students who ran out of the school were rounded up by law enforcement, searched, and transported in school buses to a gymnasium. Parents were directed to the gymnasium to pick up their children and "sign them out".
Likewise, students who remained sheltered in classrooms were escorted out to waiting buses by law enforcement.
Later reports were that one suspect was arrested and a second was in custody... the death toll was 10 (and could rise to 13) including students and staff of the Santa Fe High School. The shooter reportedly was armed with shotgun, pistol, an AR-15 style rifle and pipe bombs.
The schools need a separate alarm for a shooter. This is all so disgusting and intolerable.