Conavirus......

Hey, here is a great idea. Daytona nascar weekend is here. The stadium holds 110,000, people, plus food and merchandise vendors, safety security and stadium officials, crews and mechanics for the cars. Of course, many people come from out of state, and the nearby states are almost as virus filled as we are. The infield is packed with RV’s and people are partying like it is 1999. Restaurants and beach areas packed.

I cannot imagine what could go wrong with full hospitals and the consequences of drinking screaming hoards of people having a blast.

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Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere

I cannot imagine what could go wrong with full hospitals and the consequences of drinking screaming hoards of people having a blast.

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Well if the hoard is of toilet paper the rest of us could run out.

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Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere

Hey, here is a great idea. Daytona nascar weekend is here. The stadium holds 110,000, people, plus food and merchandise vendors, safety security and stadium officials, crews and mechanics for the cars. Of course, many people come from out of state, and the nearby states are almost as virus filled as we are. The infield is packed with RV’s and people are partying like it is 1999. Restaurants and beach areas packed.

I cannot imagine what could go wrong with full hospitals and the consequences of drinking screaming hoards of people having a blast.

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Stephen King couldn't top this stuff.

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Originally Posted by rosarugosa

Stephen King couldn't top this stuff.

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Azure he could. He would simultaneously have a hurricane hitting Louisiana which also already has full hospitals. Oh wait…

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Originally Posted by jp1

Azure he could. He would simultaneously have a hurricane hitting Louisiana which also already has full hospitals. Oh wait…

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Which....is all an elaborate coverup of the heroic ballot-counting commandos.

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Originally Posted by jp1

Azure he could. He would simultaneously have a hurricane hitting Louisiana which also already has full hospitals. Oh wait…

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And a governor in Louisiana who begs people to get vaccinated a couple days before the storm hits, talking about crowded shelters, never mind that it takes two weeks after the final dose for the effectiveness to kick in. It is too late! They are doomed!

But wait! They will wear masks in the shelters. That will save them all, right? All is not lost. No new cases will arise. Any cloth face covering will save them - maybe even lace? No N95 is needed.

Or they could throw up their hands and say ‘masks help but dont offer 100% protection. And since they are brutally uncomfortable and imperfect I’ll just risk death.

And in the meantime those that don’t get to shelters, both vaxxed and unvaxxed, better hope they don’t need a hospital because of all the people who didn’t get vaxxed and have selfishly hogged all the beds.

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Originally Posted by jp1

Or they could throw up their hands and say ‘masks help but dont offer 100% protection. And since they are brutally uncomfortable and imperfect I’ll just risk death.

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No masks = risking death. Let's think of some risky situations then.

After Katrina some people were displaced for months. So how are you going to feed people if you mandate masks? They can go without food for a few days but not months. You can't eat with a mask on. You have to eat outside even if it's pouring rain? Or everyone else stands out in the pouring rain while one person at a time eats inside the shelter? Or everyone is fed via IVs so they can keep their masks on?

What about the big increase in covid in kids that everyone is claiming? The Louisiana mandate exempts children under 5. Other states it's only those under 2. But what does "the science" say? Maybe with dangerous delta babies can transmit too. Should babies be banned from shelters because they don't wear masks, the great wonderful masks that will save us all?

Stay tuned for the next episode of As the Pandemic Turns.

I believe masks can be helpful when the correct masks are worn properly in close proximity to others, but I have little confidence that the majority of cloth or paper masks I see in public do much to protect others. I think they have un-necessarily become a flash point of resistance for some and resentment of those resistors for others.

Personally, I will wear a mask inside any establishment that requires it but if my state or locality goes out of it's way to appease those who resent and mandates the wearing of masks everywhere outside my home, I'll probably join the resistance movement in protest.

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Originally Posted by Alan

I believe masks can be helpful when the correct masks are worn properly in close proximity to others, but I have little confidence that the majority of cloth or paper masks I see in public do much to protect others. I think they have un-necessarily become a flash point of resistance for some and resentment of those resistors for others.

Personally, I will wear a mask inside any establishment that requires it but if my state or locality goes out of it's way to appease those who resent and mandates the wearing of masks everywhere outside my home, I'll probably join the resistance movement in protest.

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I already didn’t wear a mask outside my home, Walking and working in the community garden when I don’t encounter other humans,because that’s ridiculous. I don’t care with the city mandate says that’s just silly.

I will continue wearing an N95 mask when in proximity with other humans. Especially outsiders in congested spaces. Not to protect others, but to protect me, because, well, there's a whole lot of stupidity going on right now.

I can't imagine what the utility is/was for masking requirements for people who are outdoors and distanced. I've got ~6000 acres right out my back door with >100 miles of trails, and I can hike there all day long without seeing anyone closer than 100 meters if I want. What purpose would a mask serve?

I suppose the importance of masks differs whether one is hiking on an empty trail far from others or is in a hurricane shelter for hours/days with a combination of vaxxed amd unvaxxed people.

I also suspect people will be bummed/dead if they get turned away from a hospital because they’ve been injured/made sick from a hurricane because selfish unvaxxed people are taking up all the beds. But we live in America. We have the freedom to be selfish assholes. Thank you Ronald Reagan!

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Originally Posted by bae

I will continue wearing an N95 mask when in proximity with other humans. Especially outsiders in congested spaces. Not to protect others, but to protect me, because, well, there's a whole lot of stupidity going on right now.

I can't imagine what the utility is/was for masking requirements for people who are outdoors and distanced. I've got ~6000 acres right out my back door with >100 miles of trails, and I can hike there all day long without seeing anyone closer than 100 meters if I want. What purpose would a mask serve?

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Our current city masking requirement is for a mask in any indoor public place, and that is fine with me.

I’m pretty sure The mandate from a year ago was more stringent, some thing about when you step outside of your house or off your property or something like that. Maybe I’m making that up but it just seemed more stringent to me.

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Originally Posted by bae

What purpose would a mask serve?

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Let the animals know, you are trying to protect them and not bigfoot?:laff:

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Originally Posted by jp1

I also suspect people will be bummed/dead if they get turned away from a hospital because they’ve been injured/made sick from a hurricane because selfish unvaxxed people are taking up all the beds. But we live in America. We have the freedom to be selfish assholes. Thank you Ronald Reagan!

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If they are injured or made sick by a hurricane because they refused to evacuate are they still selfish assholes?

Are people who hike mountains during avalanche season selfish assholes?

Are people who get too close to large wildlife to photograph them and get gored selfish assholes? What if it's a near miss and they don't get injured?

Are people who drive above the speed limit selfish assholes? What about jaywalkers? People who do recreational flying on a crowded airplane during a pandemic (given the flimsy masks worn haphazardly by many)?

What if you plan a 700 person birthday bash on Martha's Vineyard during a pandemic with people flown in from around the country and only cancel it when the governor of Massachusetts shames you into it? Thank you Barack Obama!

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Originally Posted by Yppej

If they are injured or made sick by a hurricane because they refused to evacuate are they still selfish assholes?

Are people who hike mountains during avalanche season selfish assholes?

Are people who get too close to large wildlife to photograph them and get gored selfish assholes? What if it's a near miss and they don't get injured?

Are people who drive above the speed limit selfish assholes? What about jaywalkers? People who do recreational flying on a crowded airplane during a pandemic (given the flimsy masks worn haphazardly by many)?

What if you plan a 700 person birthday bash on Martha's Vineyard during a pandemic with people flown in from around the country and only cancel it when the governor of Massachusetts shames you into it? Thank you Barack Obama!

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Some peopp think they all deserve to die. Yeah Americuh.

The farmer's market requires masks. They police the entrance. Of course it's outdoors. Is it a bit silly and annoying? Yes. Is it hot? It's in the 90s. Do I do it? Fresh vegetables at the height of the season, I can't even describe how good the tomatoes and bell peppers are now. Of course I do. The lure is far stronger than the annoyance.

It will just be a cloth mask, sometimes I'll wear KN95s now if the situation is just a grocery store, but it's hard other places.

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Originally Posted by Yppej

What if you plan a 700 person birthday bash on Martha's Vineyard during a pandemic with people flown in from around the country and only cancel it when the governor of Massachusetts shames you into it? Thank you Barack Obama!

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Not cancelled, but scaled back to a couple of hundred. I doubt any Wagyu beef went to waste.

Dr. Scott Gottlieb on Face the Nation today said the two best ways to protect students are twice weekly testing and keeping students in pods rather than letting them intermingle with everyone in the school. No, masks are not in the first tier of defense - sorry to disappoint all of you who think masks are a cure-all.

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Originally Posted by LDAHL

Not cancelled, but scaled back to a couple of hundred. I doubt any Wagyu beef went to waste.

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You are correct.

Yppej, New Orleans has a high poverty rate so not everyone can evacuate for hurricanes.

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Originally Posted by Yppej

Dr. Scott Gottlieb on Face the Nation today said the two best ways to protect students are twice weekly testing and keeping students in pods rather than letting them intermingle with everyone in the school. No, masks are not in the first tier of defense - sorry to disappoint all of you who think masks are a cure-all.

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Please point to a post where any of us stated that masks are a cure all. Those of us who don't have an irrational hatred of masks understand that they are just one of several layers of defense. One of the people who wrote the pandemic plan that trump ignored suggested thinking of all the various ways to reduce transmission as layers of swiss cheese. Each layer has holes in it but when you stack three or four layers on top of each other there aren't any holes left that get all the way through.

I don't think masks are a cure all, I wanted lockdowns, not just masks, lockdowns, limitations on business, to reduce the spread. Or I did in the height of the pandemic. And now? Well maybe places where hospitals are overwhelmed as it's real bad to let hospitals get overwhelmed, aka precisely where it won't happen. But places where there is hospital space and of course now vaccination? No. Zero covid can work for a long time, a year even, and did in countries where they were serious .... until it doesn't, as it's too hard to maintain forever, only vaccines then.

Did I wear a mask to protect myself all the time there was no vaccines (and now because it's the law)? Of course. But mostly social distancing (which isn't physical distancing (6 feet) though that's good too, and basic politeness before we had a vaccine), it means limiting close in person indoor human contact.

Regardless of regulations and/or requirements, still wearing a mask indoors - stores of any kind, etc. The school - even though students aren't in session yet - has already mandated masks for EVERYONE!!! When school starts, it will still be EVERYONE - including staff, teachers, students and visitors. I'm okay with that.

The pandemic model that was used to develop the pandemic plan looked at social interactions of people based on age etc and found that something like a 60% reduction in the spread of a contagious virus could be achieved simply by closing the schools. Apparently kids don’t have the same concept of personal space that adults do.

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Originally Posted by Yppej

Dr. Scott Gottlieb on Face the Nation today said the two best ways to protect students are twice weekly testing and keeping students in pods rather than letting them intermingle with everyone in the school. No, masks are not in the first tier of defense - sorry to disappoint all of you who think masks are a cure-all.

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No one ever said that they are a cure all... There are one part of a multi layered approach.


But Wait..... Your Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : Horses cannot breathe through their mouths

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Originally Posted by boss mare

But Wait..... Your Equine Fun Fact Of The Day : Horses cannot breathe through their mouths

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What??? What happens if they get a sinus infection or a cold? Or do they just not get those illnesses typically?

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/coro...nam-story.html

refrigerator trucks to hold bodies in Central Florida area because morgues are full. Governor DeathSentence has not declared a state of emergency. Move along, folks. Nothing to see here.

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Originally Posted by jp1

What??? What happens if they get a sinus infection or a cold? Or do they just not get those illnesses typically?

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They get snotty noses/ colds . Its hard to watch/hear as they make awful sounds and its very clear that they are in distress.

My friend who recently moved down to South Carolina works as a custodial supervisor in a school of about 900 students - no masking required. Their first week of school they had 2 reported cases of covid. Their 2nd week of school (last week) they had somewhere over 45, apparently including the football team. She says they have to "shut down" any "area" that has 3 or more cases. Not sure exactly what defines "shut down" and "area", but she said she would find that out today.

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Originally Posted by happystuff

My friend who recently moved down to South Carolina works as a custodial supervisor in a school of about 900 students - no masking required. Their first week of school they had 2 reported cases of covid. Their 2nd week of school (last week) they had somewhere over 45, apparently including the football team. She says they have to "shut down" any "area" that has 3 or more cases. Not sure exactly what defines "shut down" and "area", but she said she would find that out today.

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simple math tells us that next week virtually everyone will have it.

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Originally Posted by jp1

simple math tells us that next week virtually everyone will have it.

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Herd immunity here we come. Finally!

And then that herd immunity is inferior to the vaccine anyway :laff:

Which is how it seems to be going, that herd immunity from getting the virus, is actually inferior in protection to just getting vaccinated.

A pastor got fired for "promoting" vaccinations on CNN. Another pastor forbids mask-wearing in his church. Three prominent anti-vaccine radio hosts have died of COVID so far...Meanwhile, hospitals are at or over capacity in many areas, and people with legitimate illnesses are dying because they can't get referred to a hospital that can admit them in time to save their lives. Really, I have no words.

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Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore

And then that herd immunity is inferior to the vaccine anyway :laff:

Which is how it seems to be going, that herd immunity from getting the virus, is actually inferior in protection to just getting vaccinated.

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Yep. I heard on NPR today the vaccine gets all the way into your bone marrow. You have lifetime protection unless your immune system is compromised. It prompts your body to form T cells that scour the respiratory tract for covid particles to destroy.

I'm surprised so many people in my poll plan to rush out and get boosters as soon as they can. I guess the fearmongering by the pharmaceutical companies to boost sales is working. Meanwhile billions around the world have no protection as most of the doses go, again and again, to the developed countries.

The news reported that unused doses are going bad in the South, where people are big on relying on God, their immune systems, or Ivermectin. >8)

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Originally Posted by Yppej

I guess the fearmongering by the pharmaceutical companies to boost sales is working. .

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Hogwash

Question for those with legitimate health background and experience - I keep wondering why, if vaccines are presumed by many to be the "cure all", are so many people (non-compromised, healthy people like my 2 bils, for example) that are vaccinated getting Delta variant (and possibly other variants) of covid? Unless the answer is that the vaccine is simply not a "cure all" - which is my belief at this point in time.

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Originally Posted by happystuff

Question for those with legitimate health background and experience - I keep wondering why, if vaccines are the "cure all", are so many people (non-compromised, healthy people like my 2 bils, for example) that are vaccinated getting Delta variant (and possibly other variants) of covid? Unless the answer is that the vaccine is simply not a "cure all" - which is my belief at this point in time.

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The vaccine is not a prevent all, but it is a cure all for healthy people. It keeps them from getting sick, being hospitalized, and dying.

For details see my post above by experts interviewed on NPR who have legitimate health backgrounds.

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Originally Posted by happystuff

Question for those with legitimate health background and experience - I keep wondering why, if vaccines are presumed by many to be the "cure all", are so many people (non-compromised, healthy people like my 2 bils, for example) that are vaccinated getting Delta variant (and possibly other variants) of covid? Unless the answer is that the vaccine is simply not a "cure all" - which is my belief at this point in time.

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There are no absolutes or “cure alls.”


It’s likely the vaccines received by your BILS kept them from getting more serious cases.

The studies so far, still early in the Delta game, are showing Less serious cases among the vaccinated, few of those people need to be hospitalized, even if you were die.

But that’s true today and it can change tomorrow as a virus mutates and infects more and etc.