My reference wasn't so much towards the moderation but towards the recalling of bad days and not wishing a repeat of them. I can see how my response was confusing - sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
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My reference wasn't so much towards the moderation but towards the recalling of bad days and not wishing a repeat of them. I can see how my response was confusing - sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Saw all the employees were wearing masks at the supermarket and the manager said it was a corporate mandate. Emailed their corporate office that this sends the message vaccines don't work and there is no advantage to getting vaccinated, and telling them in a tight labor market this will cost them applicants.
I have to say the public health authorities here pretty much NEVER said "wear a mask". That was not their advice. Their advice was "wear a face covering". Everyone seemed to use the term mask and they could only bring themselves to say "face covering". "Face covering" this, "face covering" that.
So it was wear a bandana, tie a t-shirt around your face, whatever, according to the advice public health gave. "Face covering", what even is that, why can't they speak in the language everyone else uses? They come across like people (excuse me I mean peoplex) on twitter convinced the ungendered term folks is gendered, only noone even knows why. Now I don't know that I ever saw a t-shirt, saw some bandanas, stayed even further away from those people!!! (and I was distancing from people anyway)
Reached out to a Libertarian candidate in the area who opposes mask mandates, vaccine mandates, and shutdowns and who cares about deficits. Iris Lilies you are not the only one onto that issue.
Even in a tight labor market, I would be reluctant to hire applicants challenged enough to draw that conclusion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Our local market workers *asked* that management impose mask requirements for customers and workers. The management went along with their wishes. I doubt anyone would work there, here, now, without such protection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
Probably because they have a clue or two about the situation.
These are separate assertions of mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDAHL
First, the fact that vaccines were supposed to let life get back to normal but that hasn't happened due to big government sends a message to everyone in society not just employees that is a disincentive to vaccination.
The second and separate assertion is that having to wear a mask 8 hours a day is a disincentive to employment. There are currently 10 million job openings but only 8.5 million unemployed people. Front line worker positions are the hardest to fill. Would you want to stand on your feet all day wearing a mask for low wages?
My boss asked me the other day if I wanted to go to a conference in Dallas next month. I told him I would pass.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Masks are only 20% effective. If they were really clued in they'd be asking that the store go to curbside pickup only.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I am thankful that I do not have to make a work decision about either Texas, Florida, or many of the southern states (am retired). I have written them off for probably a long time. Told hubby that Texas will never see a $$ from me.
I'm feeling the same way. After over a million miles of business travel, I'm ready to be more selective about the places I travel to.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetana3
Ohhhh But you are a braggart... All that fancy talk on how superior your grammar, punctuation and spelling is :|(Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
The mu variant originating in Colombia and Ecuador is on the move. This news has been around for about a week now with warnings from the World Health Organization. But the US has not shut its borders and now that variant has been found in Houston.
The lambda variant is coming from Peru.
This reinforces a point that I have made - that variants come from areas where most people are unvaccinated, not from vaccinated people in the US who don't wear masks, and that global vaccine equity matters.
I have not heard from the Libertarian candidate.
To try to make the change in the city charter I would like I would need to gather 3,400+ signatures. I could do it, but it would take up all my free time. If I lived in a town instead of a city I would only need 10 signatures, one of which could be my own.
This is definitely making me think if I ever move that I want to move to a town and not another city.
Rechecked the libraries near my work or home I have as alternates and 17 of the 18 on the list I came up with last week still allow maskless people in, including my favorite on the list. So that is encouraging.
The city solicitor asked me to send him some stats on covid and I got those off to him. He said even if I get the signatures on my petition the city council will vote it down. I think he is right because they are afraid to rock the boat, civil liberties be damned. So he said the thing to do is to try to amass data to convince the Board of Health. I am skeptical it will work but I will give it a shot. I also sent him a link to an article that says if a person is in quarantine they shouldn't be allowed around their pets and suggested the Board of Health should get on that, and also require service animals in city hall to be masked, if they think quarantines and masks are the way to go.
Local new had these figures from UCHealth from a week or so ago. What ever common news sources I get promote certain numbers showing how much less risk there is for vaccinated people, but I don't see many recent specifics on actual breakthroughs or categorization by age or time since vaccinations. There are some things out there but at least for me has required some digging. There was a footnote after the numbers saying most of the breakthroughs with more serious conditions are people with weakened immunity from other health problems, such as cancer or organ transplant. I have wondered if the break though issues are soft sold to encourage people to get vaccinated. It doesn't seem like a free ride totally without risk at least.
- 263 patients hospitalized with COVID-19
- 216 are not vaccinated
- 47 are vaccinated- 100 of those patients are in the ICU
- 85 are not vaccinated
- 15 are vaccinated- 74 of those patients are on ventilators
- 67 are not vaccinated
- 7 are vaccinated
Wow! I would have hoped being vaccinated would have kept the seriousness at bay, but, personally, I think those are high numbers re: the vaccinated! I'll keep up with ALL my preventive measures, thank you very much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rogar
I often wonder how accurate these diagnoses are. If you are the hospital they test you for covid and if you test positive do they automatically record you as a hospitalized covid case even if you are in there for something else?
I had a coworker whose father died of old age and the medical examiner was forced to change his cause of death to covid because there was covid in the facility he was in, though he himself was never tested for it. This was in spring 2020.
If we tested all Americans we would probably have tens of millions of cases among the asymptomatic. And if published that would throw the media into a feeding frenzy.
The Libertarian candidate came to my house. We chatted and he will attend the next Board of Health meeting to back me up.
Meanwhile my brother is after the BOH in his town for making him, a vaccinated person, wear a mask. He is considering taping his vaccine card to his forehead and pointing to it if someone tells him he should wear a mask.
I don’t have any reason to go to Texas again haven’t been there a couple of times. But I likely will have to go to Florida about a year from now for a flower so training event unless I can find one closer.
A year from now everyone in Florida will either be vaccinated, recovered, or dead.
No. You left out naturally immune because they had or have the virus in their system but they never got sick from it so they are not recovered.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
What I don't like about this virus, especially at this point in time (a transitional time, in my opinion) is that vaccinated people and/or those who believe they have immunity because they have had the virus, are still only thinking of themselves. Some of them are not thinking about passing this virus on to others. It has been shown that those who have been vaccinated can still carry, pass on and get covid in one iteration or another. To use ALL of the suggested precautions is one way for these selfish people to protect themselves - and may inadvertently protect others.
We don’t know about the delta variant but last fall there was a strain that went through a town in Brazil that infected a lot of people a second time. The people who have had delta may end up being immune forever or for a long time or for a few months. At this point we just don’t know. But thankfully we have lots of people in states like florida amd Texas who are valiantly risking their lives to be part of the study where we find out how long immunity lasts after delta infection.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
True. But as everyone here knows there’s a subset of the vaccinated who only got vaccinated because they have an extreme hatred of masks and looked to the vaccination as a savior from the overwhelming horror of having to wear them.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
Hopefully, they will not succumb to catching (or passing on!) covid or any of the variants because of hatred to wearing a simple protective covering for limited periods of time... and practicing other simple protective behaviors, that definitely protect themselves primarily, regardless of whether or not they care about others!Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I do not believe the scientists have said that the vaccine will keep you from becoming infected or passing on the virus. It helps to prevent the illness from developing into a serious illness and to help keep you out of the hospital. The UK was hoping to save their hospital system which we have apparently written off.
Exactly, but some folks don't seem to believe that. They feel the vaccine is their "free pass" to a "normal" that may not be the same normal any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetana3
Anyway who isolated from all human contact from the pandemic (and I did pretty much except bf) and doesn't anymore is behaving more "normal" than they were before.
I agree. I now go shopping, I see friends, I go to the library, the doctor, the dentist, etc. I wear a mask for the necessary amount of time, I social distance as much as possible, and I wash my hands often and even follow the masking rules at work. I get to resume all these things while protecting myself and others.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Edited to add: That has/does include wearing a mask for 8 hours a day at work - doable! I feel sorry for the folks who are living their lives "what if" instead of focusing on getting through all of this. Will masking, social distancing, etc. be a forever thing? I don't believe so. But until then, I can and will do what I can to continue to protect myself and others. And continue to pray for those who are having such a hard time with all of this.
It's not limited. It's neither limited within a single day as many now have to wear a mask for 8 hours a day or more on the job. I will have to when I have jury duty because my doctor's office left me a message they won't write me an excuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by happystuff
It's also not limited in duration. We are in the second year of this now and my local Board of Health says even if cases drop they will keep the mandate in place until 80% of people are vaccinated. That will never happen with a third of the population are anti-vax.
The people saying it is limited are retired, or work from home (or chose a profession where masking could be expected which is on them). They only mask up when running brief errands. From their mask lite privileged perch they criticize everyone else.
I watched part of the Boston mayoral debate until I just couldn't take it anymore. The poor moderator was asking questions like once kids get the vaccine can the mask mandate be dropped? What if the state drops its mandate? What if we get past delta and no one is getting sick? Will masks ever go away?
And before the first day of school had even started every single candidate was saying the mandate will stay in place the entire school year irregardless of the facts and public health recommendations. Then all the underdogs started attacking the one ahead in the polls because she said she is making long-range plans for the schools and they said all the focus should be on the short term. These are the sorts of bozos running the show. People who believe planning is bad and just slavishly follow the herd with covid paranoia.
True that. The only people I know who think it's fair for vaccinated people to have to wear masks are in these forums. In real life everyone thinks like I do, including my relatives who work in health care.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
ETA We are furious at a government punishing everyone because they are afraid to take on anti-vaxxers and ask them for proof of vaccination. They are taking the easy and lazy way out and lying and saying the reason is vaccinated people can still infect someone. It's very rare because the viral loads are very different. And even if we infect them so what? They could have gotten the shot.
[QUOTE=Yppej;391296]It's not limited. It's neither limited within a single day as many now have to wear a mask for 8 hours a day or more on the job. I will have to when I have jury duty because my doctor's office left me a message they won't write me an excuse.
Glad to hear it. Talk about wanting special privileges.
eta ... Opened her response by mistake. Will be more careful to avoid this type of ....
[QUOTE=frugal-one;391299]Or you could just delete your response unless, to quote Eminem, "it feels so empty without me".Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I think that some people deserve special privileges, but there are others who are just angry and self-involved. Makes me appreciate this quote:Quote:
Originally Posted by frugal-one
“I started learning how to not be so angry about things, learning how to count my f—ing blessings instead. By doing that, I’ve become a happier person, instead of all this self-loathing I was doing for a while.” – Eminem
It’s understandable that people in government who are actually concerned about public health aren’t predicting if or when we can all burn our masks. That mistake got made at the beginning of the summer. Intelligent people don’t make the same mistake twice. Or, if it wasn’t their mistake they learn from others’ mistakes.
There's a difference between not predicting when a mandate will end and saying a mandate will continue for 9 and a half months regardless of the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
The mandate ended in the beginning of the summer because the governor of Utah pointed out to Biden there was no incentive to get vaccinated since vaccinated people still had to wear masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
So according to your logic the government officials are stupid because they are making the same mistake a second time of putting mask mandates in place that disincentivize vaccination. Maybe the governor of Utah needs to remind them again as they have lost all common sense.
24 minus 8, is not limited?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I was called last month for Jury duty. You need to see if your notice has a call a day before showing. At least locally, they are trying to limit people's exposure and are delaying/settling, etc. All Jurors for that day were released the day before. This releases me for three years.
A doctor is required to state a valid medical reason, under oath. You might try a psychologist or psychiatrist and see if they could provide a note.
It's half your waking hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by ToomuchStuff
Work is a big chunk of people's days. If it were incidental most wouldn't retire but would keep working for the additional purchasing power, but it's significant. It's so large a chunk of time that some countries like France have reduced the normal work week to under 40 hours.
I actually never encounter these furious at government over masks people in my actual life. Only on these forums. A bit annoyed we still have mask requirements for many things yes.