Medical coverage has no business being tied to employment.
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Medical coverage has no business being tied to employment.
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Originally Posted by Jane v2.0
That has always seemed daft to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jane v2.0
At least in the US, it started as a benefit employers offered during World War II when wages were capped by the government.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jane v2.0
Ooooooh! Fascinating! That would explain a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
Proof that things like arbitrary wage caps are a really bad idea. The unintended consequences live on for a long time. Unregulated capitalism certainly has flaws (health care is a really bad fit because people will pay whatever they are asked, and can pay, to try and keep a loved one alive for example, ) but trying to force it to one’s will by means other than changing incentives is not typically successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tradd
Ditto trying to force people to do things they don't want. There are covid spikes after every holiday because people crave human contact and you can tell them no but most everyone from Deborah Birx to Gavin Newsom will socialize with people outside their household anyways. I was one of the rare exceptions.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
We'll see how forcing people to get vaccinated or lose their jobs goes.
We’ll end up with a society with two types of people, those who lost their jobs and got sick, and those who didn’t?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
1. Those who lost their jobs and don't want to work. Will they be able to file for unemployment?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
2. Those who lost their jobs and do want to work. There are lots of jobs out there.
3. Those who didn't lose their jobs because they conformed.
According to you we all have to keep wearing masks because vaccines don't work, so you can't tie the illness to those who lost their jobs. People in all three categories might or might not get sick in your theory. I happen to believe in vaccines.
Vaccines do work. They don’t work perfectly. You really should become a Republican. Your inability to see all the shades of gray on the Pantone color wheel is remarkable. And kind of sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
If vaccines work life should change for the better. And in some places it does. Provincetown, site of an outbreak that did little harm due to vaccination, at first overreacted by reimposing a mask mandate but later came to its senses and dropped it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
For vaccines to work enough people have to take them. Your rage about masks would be better spent figuring out how to get the unvaccinated to take a jab.
My idea is that they should be called the Trump vaccines as they were developed during his presidency at warp speed. The Donald loves anything with his name on it and would then promote the shots to his followers.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
They work for those who take them, however many or few that group is. And if people don't want that protection that's on them. It's a free country (sort of).Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Heard from the ACLU and they will not take my case on the city mask mandate but they said try the State Attorney General's Civil Rights Office. I will see how things play out locally but I did submit a complaint to the Civil Rights Office on my separate masking for jury duty issue.
Apparently the "death panels" republicans feared so much during the debates about the ACA have come to Idaho, not because of the ACA but because the party of personal responsibility doesn't actually expect people to act personally responsible and now that lack of responsibility is causing other people to die. Yay freedumb.
You are correct. Vacc rate is under 50% and the mass gatherings continue because well, you know. Washington hospitals are mad as hell about all the transfers the last few weeks. A rural hospital with 1 ICU room, has converted their cafeteria into an ICU.....perfect place to be if you've had a stroke or a heart attack (and are vaccinated)........Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
IT.......IS........UGLY! I've never seen MDs cry or have to choke down tears and anger during a press conference.
I believe vaccines do work to a significant degree but how much and with how much waning? I have never been more confused about the situation in the entire pandemic.
And I live like vaccines work kinda,I do a lot more, but kinda not, I don't do all I want to.
Just wait until we're supporting them the rest of their lives because Biden said if you have long covid you qualify for SSI. I guess they join the drug addicts and others disabled by choice feeding at the public trough, or living off the SSI they get because their child(ren) are declared disabled.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gardnr
The last person to work for a living please turn off the lights. And don't forget taxpayer you're the bad guy for not wanting to wear a mask because you're vaccinated. I guarantee you the covid disabled sitting at home all day won't be wearing one.
The big issue is the variants. We are 3 variants down the road from what the vaccine was created to destroy. Had we promptly vaccinated to the herd immunity level, as we did for Polio, Smallpox, MMR, etc) we wouldn't be passing around Mu (49 states already). Had we literally closed our borders instead of pretending we did, we would not have brought in any covid from other countries..........the errors in mitigation go on....and on......and on........and we're all living it every stinkin' day.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApatheticNoMore
Crisis Standards of Care.
Rationing healthcare.
Public Health be damned.
Here we are.
Big cats are getting covid. We better put cones on them like dogs get after surgery and stretch masks across the cones.
Or as Chic sings, "Ah, freak out!"
My, admittedly not big, cats have the whole social distancing thing down pat. They avoid contact with all other living creatures that aren’t either SO and me or each other. The only exception they make are fruit flies and other bugs which they like to snack on. For everyone else who comes in our house they hide under the bed so hopefully they will be safe.
Just make sure if you ever have to quarantine you board the cats. Yes, "public health" zealotry knows no bounds:Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...n-pass-it-pets
Despite there not being a single case to pet to human transmission, they still want you to disrupt the lives of your pets. I remember the one time I put a dog in a kennel because I had to go to my brother's wedding. This easygoing dog yowled all the way home when picked up to express his displeasure and chewed completely through his leash while there, the only time he ever did that. We paid extra for him to have play time with other dogs, but it wasn't the same as being with his pack.
But as with humans, psychological trauma from restrictions, including jumps in suicide attempts by teen girls, doesn't matter to these zealots.
Perhaps of relevance:
https://www.technologyreview.com/202...-2020-election
The nerve of health scientists. Being concerned that something could potentially be a problem. Next thing you know we’ll have governors and public health officials taking steps to limit the spread of the disease. How horrifying! It’s my god given right as a ‘murican to infect as many people as I can with my germs.
Up here, in Canada, we’re experiencing a 4th wave - the Delta variant. Most of us have had the first two shots, but no boosters yet. Hubby and I are high risk, so we’re cautious. Thankfully, Nova Scotia doesn’t have many cases yet, and those they do have are either related to travel or someone else who has Covid. Still we have company coming from British Columbia in October. That’s the opposite side of the country. Her plane has to land in two high covid places before reaching us. We are a bit nervous.
The Nova Scotia government has been quick to restrict land and sea traffic into the province if they see a problem developing. Not so much air traffic. Most of our cases come from people flying in and not properly quarantining or self-isolating.
Idaho is rationing care.
https://time.com/6095898/idaho-rationing-covid/ Could be coming to you if people continue to listen to internet and TV self appointed health experts who hawk snake oil cures and anti vaccination. Freedom has a price that unfortunately health care workers are facing along with the largely unvaccinated who are consuming enormous amounts of medical resources. Wait until next years health insurance premium pricing.
This morning someone told me Idaho had such a problem from the dirty disease infested people pouring across the border. Last I knew the had no border with Mexico and their vaccination rate is around 40%.
Idaho has a border with Canada.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
Idaho has such a problem because it's one of the least vaccinated states in the country. There are a lot of white supremacists and related malcontents there (who love to point their nicotine-stained fingers at immigrants from a country that has fewer infected people than we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by flowerseverywhere
Speaking of borders, it makes me angry that ignorant Idahoans are now breaching Washington's borders and taking up valuable beds when at least the western part of our state is between 70% and 80% vaccinated.
Yeah, but it's a tiny border, and the idea of Canadians (or anyone, frankly) invading Idaho makes me laugh out loud.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
I see the results of this every day, along with obvious cat-fishers and their fake profiles. It's a jungle out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
That sounds a lot like the same sentiment someone shared with flowerseverywhere, but at least it is directed to white malcontents with nicotine stained fingers, which probably makes it ok in many circles.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
71% of Albertans have been vaccinated. I don't think those rascally Canadians swarming into Idaho are the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yppej
The bad news continues:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...surge-rcna1997
From the article: "It’s become an ethical challenge, as Washington has been aggressive in its Covid safety measures while Idaho’s state leaders have done little to address the latest surge." This makes me absolutely livid.
To quote Rochelle Walensky, I have a sense of "impending doom" and feel that I should rush out to stores and buy things while I can still do so without wearing a mask and without the stores being shut down. The last stats I heard, last week, were hospitals in my state were at 7% capacity, ICUs at 14%, but the long arms of the health departments continue to snatch back our freedoms regardless of facts. The person I spoke with got the stats from the NIH.
The second largest city in my state put in a mask mandate and the local news said it's because "college students are returning to campus even though most of them are vaccinated". Yep - there are vaccine mandates in higher ed so except for a few religious and medical exemptions they are all vaccinated. Great logic, right?
But treat us like Idaho because we all got vaccinated for nothing and facts don't matter.
I’m in the UK right now. Their Covid testing, tracking, and reporting infrastructure are far superior to what I have observed in the USA. And the general behaviour of the citizens seems generally better - distancing, hand washing, mask wearing, sanitation, and so on.
Latest CDC guidance updated 8/25/21:
"International travel poses additional risks, and even fully vaccinated travelers might be at increased risk for getting and possibly spreading some covid-19 variants."
Link: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...g-covid19.html
This includes the UK variant which is "considerably more contagious than the original virus" and "also comes with an increased risk of severe illness and death" according to this link from the NIH:
https://directorsblog.nih.gov/2021/0...-of-mortality/
Thank you to everyone who has put off your international travel during the pandemic. You are the real heroes.
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Hope you are having a good trip and a great visit, bae!