Might want to look into the history there, abortion was known and performed in the 1700s. Franklin even includes some methods in a book of his from 1748.
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Might want to look into the history there, abortion was known and performed in the 1700s. Franklin even includes some methods in a book of his from 1748.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05...sh-legislatur/
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“It’s no surprise that the man obsessed with children’s bodies — especially transgender kids — is a predator,” González said in a statement. “The courage to stop a predator has to extend to opposing his crusade to fixate the entire state on children’s genitals. He’s been calling my community ‘perverts’ and ‘groomers’ for years — when it turns out he should’ve invested in a good mirror.”
These old men ranting about other people's sex lives have always been suspect, bringing hypocrisy to stunning new levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Some of them seem awfully concerned with inspecting other folks' genitalia under force of law.Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
I would laugh but it is not funny. But the obsession with reproductive organs, inside and out is ridiculous. You do you. Deal with inflation, immigration, homelessness and so on. Distraction and drama does not solve true problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
The lawmakers and federal regulators and President Biden should stay out of it, but how strange it is that so many health professionals are uncomfortable with the existing genitalia and secondary sex characteristics of their patients and counsel them to cut it off, invert it, or shrink it with medication, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
One of the real frustrations of of dealing this condition is the way medical professionals seem so fearful of putting their foot wrong politically. You wonder if you’re getting a genuine opinion or an institutional party line.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Every June gay pride events are held to celebrate the anniversary of a bunch of drag queens in NYC who stood up to the police. Now, 54 years later, Wilton Manors Florida will have a gay pride celebration with no drag queens because now drag queens are illegal in Florida. Maybe it's time for Stonewall v. 2.0.
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2023/05/...sign-drag-ban/
Actually no, drag queens are not illegal in Florida. A bill in the legislature, although not yet signed by the Governor, would make it illegal for communities to issue permits for adult themed live performances in the presence of minors. In anticipation of the law's probable signing, the city of Wilton Manors has decided they can't trust the Drag Queens to limit their participation to family friendly themes and have declined to issue them the permit they need for the parade.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
So the drag queens are being preemptively silenced for something they ‘might’ do?
I suspect it's not what they "might" do, but rather what they have "already" done at every other parade and have not agreed to not do again.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
There’s plenty of evidence nationwide, and in the UK that no, we cannot trust drag queens to put on an age-appropriate show. I put it down to the fact that so many of these men/women/persons in this community just are not around children often enough to know what is appropriate entertainment for a public family friendly event.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
That said, I’m not sure a gay pride parade is a place I would expect to be entirely antiseptic. And it’s not the queens who are necessarily providing provocative parade entries because plenty of masc folks are out there Twerking dance moves in erotic gear.
Unfortunately, it is a toggle switch between “public performance” “and “private venue “ and because the flamboyant LGBTQI etc crowd did not keep their adult entertainment in adult -only venues, now we have this, a hard line.
They did it to themselves.
Crying because they can’t shake their booty in a public street…too bad, so sad.
Wow.
What do you mean? Perhaps you could, you know, use your words rather than the implied name calling.Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
Potentially of interest to some:
https://juliaserano.medium.com/gende...n-b4bb8375d797
Imagine if a city said ‘nope. Not going to have a st Patrick’s day parade this year because we all know they just gonna get drunk and cause havoc.’ Or ‘nope. No Puerto rican day parade because they are just going to turn it into a gang event and start shooting the place up. ‘
But whatever. I get it. There are people on this board that think the damn drag queens should have stayed in the closet and the world would be a better place if stonewall hadn’t happened. Thankfully you aren’t in the majority in this country anymore and probably never will be again.
I'm pretty sure you're wrong about people on this board. I think it would be more accurate to say there are people on this board who believe drag queens, and everyone else, should limit their adult oriented presentations and activities to adult venues, not in the presence of children.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
It's like your previous complaints about "book banning" in schools. If some of us on this board feel that some material should not be provided to minors without parental approval that doesn't mean we're in favor of banning books. A good rule of thumb for dealing with those materials might be that if a parent cannot read text from a book at a public school board meeting because it would be inappropriate in a public forum, or if your local newscast cannot air graphics from the book without violating FCC regulations, it probably also shouldn't be available to minors at school.
I think you're wrong about that too, your bubble is smaller than you think.Quote:
Thankfully you aren’t in the majority in this country anymore and probably never will be again.
So you think that justifies people being pre-banned from the pride celebration based on what they might do?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I look forward to the inevitable upcoming arrests of drag queens at pride events for simply existing. I just hope the cops arresting them don't go all Derek Chauvin on them. The first amendment cases will be a good test of the attempts by people to take this country back to the bad old days when LGBTQ people had to cower in fear.
Apparently I have more faith in the American people than you do. Although after watching trump's sad infomercial last week on CNN you may be right. The people in that audience surely shook my confidence in the decency of Americans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I'm sure you do look forward to an actual case of victimization taking place to justify all the made up victimization you talk about here, but I wouldn't hold my breath if I were you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
And I’m sure you look forward to Ron desantis ****ing over LGBTQ.people as best he can, just like other old people on this board that have been outspoken haters of trans folks and drag queens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
And thanks for avoiding my question about pre-banning drag queens from the pride event Alan. Your avoidance just confirmed what is blatantly obvious to anyone who actually gives a shit about trans people.
As an aside, I find it interesting that you conflate “ trans people” with “drag queens.” That seems…unwoke to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I didn't intend to avoid answering your question, I actually thought I had several comments ago, so I'll try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
According to your linked article "S.B. 1438 prohibits government entities from issuing permits to organizations that may hold “adult live performances” in the presence of minors. The bill defines “adult live performance” as “any show, exhibition, or other presentation in front of a live audience which, in whole or in part, depicts or simulates nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, or specific sexual activities… lewd conduct, or the lewd exposure of prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts.”
Not having any particular insight into the city's reasoning, I can only assume that they have no confidence in the drag groups willingness to observe the proposed restrictions. Do you have any insight as to why that may be?
I'm not sure what Ron DeSantis is doing to LGBTQ people, can you explain? I'm also not aware of anyone on this site expressing hate towards trans folks or drag queens, are you confusing our group with another site somewhere?Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Okay----I tell you what---Fla has more colorful characters(including ALPHABET People) than any other state in the union! So yeah---tell me how De Santis could get elected if he is anti-everything? Ha. Gotcha. Hope that helps you some. Thankk Mee.Attachment 5456
So you'd be ok if a city, say NYC, denied a permit for the St Patrick's Day parade if they cited the reason as being that they doubted the ability of Irish Americans to have a parade without getting drunk and breaking the law?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
I probably can't explain it in a way that you would understand because you have repeatedly made it clear here that you are simply unwilling to/incapable of understand that with which you don't have personal experience. If something doesn't come from a cis het white male perspective it's seemingly beyond your comprehension. Anytime anyone has tried to explain a different perspective you simply mock them or tell them their perspective is irrelevant or "wrong" somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
If they had a history of it and had no intention of changing then, yes, I'd be OK with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
I'm not saying that's what happened in Florida, there's not enough information in your article to tell and frankly, I've not seen any other accounts of it so to me that seems the most likely scenario. In other words, if you don't have evidence otherwise I don't think the drag queens were singled out for being drag queens so there must be a valid reason to question their ability to stay within the legislation's requirements.
When you do find a way to explain, please let me know. I'm curious.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
Ok. Here's a challenge. Pick any of the books that has been banned from a Florida school library (there are plenty to choose from) and tell us why you agree or disagree with the banning. I'm personally curious about James Patterson's "Maximum Ride" series, since he IS my namesake. I'm not familiar with these particular books. If you can explain what is inappropriate for high school students (since the don't say gay law has now been expanded to include everyone up through high school) about the books we could maybe have a conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Ok, I had to do about 5 minutes of research on this one because I hadn't heard of the Maximum Ride series itself or its banning. What I did discover was that it was apparently removed from one elementary school in Florida due to a parent complaint that it was not appropriate for elementary school students as it is apparently marketed for children 12 and above. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with your so called "Don't Say Gay" law, and no high school students in the district were harmed by its removal from a school they haven't attended for at least 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
For the record, I don't have a problem with that.
Apparently you missed my "inappropriate for high school students" suggestion. My namesakes' books weren't just removed from elementary schools. They have been removed from all schools up to high school. Try again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Have either of you actually READ any James Patterson books?
Their literary value is zero. I find them inappropriate to be on planet earth. But he is hugely popular, huge, I’m not surprised his cottage industry is producing books for youth. Ca-Ching.
Once I was forced to listen to an audio book by James Patterson on a car trip, and I couldn’t believe how stupid it was, the author kept repeating known facts in this murder mystery as though the readers all had ADHD and we forgot what he had said 15 pages earlier.
I read one a long time ago, and it was lousy enough that I never read another. I cannot fathom his popularity.Quote:
Originally Posted by iris lilies
Well, according to this newspaper article https://www.tcpalm.com/story/news/20...y/70009140007/, that's not correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by jp1
"Jennifer DeShazo, public information director for the Martin County School District, said Wednesday that Patterson’s "Maximum Ride" series was removed from the district's elementary school libraries after a Feb. 1 reconsideration request.That request, submitted by Stuart resident Julie Marshall, asked that all nine books in the series be removed because she considered them a young-adult series that "does not belong in elementary school libraries," she wrote in her objection form to the school district. She asked for the books to be placed in "upper-level" school libraries.
"Marshall, who filed most of the challenges to the Martin County School District's book titles, indicated on her form that she has not "read or viewed" the "Maximum Ride" series.
She also indicated that the book series has no "serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value for students."
The books were removed from two elementary schools in Martin County around Feb. 20 and placed in the district’s middle schools, DeShazo said.
"The titles were reconsidered following Florida’s statutorily-prescribed process and moved from elementary libraries to middle school, which is aligned with the recommended reading age of 12+ for the series,” DeShazo said. “(Patterson’s) titles are available to students at the middle school level"
Some books are tricky as to placement in youth collections, and when you have a hard boundary such as “elementary school” or “middle school” or “high school” with defined beginning and end ages, some titles may be difficult to put into the right slot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan
Why jp, you may remember that your compatriot frugal-one was adamant about removing a book from a public library teen collection for inappropriate sexual content. It happens, even with the most dedicated of the Trump haters.
http://www.simplelivingforum.net/sho...hlight=Picoult
are there points in this article you especially subscribe to?Quote:
Originally Posted by bae
I’m reading it and I’m collecting my thoughts about it and you can be assured that I have some thoughts about it. Will post later assuming this paid site doesn’t boot me off.
And have Republicans--our moral gatekeepers--weighed in on Mardi Gras parades? Surely "Show us your tits!" is an affront to right-thinking people everywhere. Or is it just Pride parades that offend them?
That is a good analogy because the beer ‘n tits really do come out for Mardi Gras..Quote:
Originally Posted by JaneV2.0
But…it is highly unlikely that the little places that ban Pride parades have Mardi .pGras parades.